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NovaShadowStorm
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Posted - 2012.12.23 12:10:00 -
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Anyanka Shadowmane wrote:To be honest, I wouldn't have said that they were overtly sexualised. The Heavies still lumber around carrying their HMGs and their Forge guns. In fact, during a game, I can't usually tell if any given character is male or female.
I'll certainly take another look, now that you've mentioned it, but I think that dust is considerably better than most games at treating both sexes equally.
In real life, women and men wear the same fatigues, armour and use the same equipment. It's generally very difficult to tell them apart from their male colleagues without seeing their faces or hearing them speak.
In Dust, ALL the characters models, have helmets and are silent. Therefore to match real life, there should just be one character model for each class. However, rather than being lauded for it's realism, that would have the game labeled as sexist for only allowing male characters.
^ This, I've run around battle fields and haven't noticed if a player was female until I ran past their corpse or got up close and personal with my SMG. Personally I think if you're paying that much attention to whether you're fighting a male or female suit on the battlefield then you're likely detracting from your overall gaming experience not to mention you're probably not dodging much either trying to keep them in frame.
Compared to many other games Dust barely sexualises their models at all. I mean how sexy can you really be in the end when every inch of your merc is clad head to toe in armour with a helmet stuck on their head? Yes the female suits have accentuated breasts but females have breasts and lets be honest it is the easiest way to tell a female suit from a male one instantly. Secondly As for the heels I can really barely see them, you don't see them as you play and you don't really see them as you walk about in your quarters. The only real time you see them is if you're following some one around the waiting room or happen to be staring at a teammates feet as you run around to which I have to say that you'd be focusing on that wayyyy too much and you probably have some sort of foot fetish. And yes they do have sway in their hips but that is considered a feminine trait, you will find watching a fair few women walk they have some degree of sway. |
NovaShadowStorm
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2012.12.23 12:43:00 -
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Snaps Tremor wrote:It's not that the female suits are just the usual embarrassing gamer fan service made by guys for guys (although they are), it's that female players aren't given a choice. Be a ridiculously sexualised clone, limit your choices of dropsuit, or be a man.
The only person who really gains anything from this is the hypothetical idiot teenage gamer who really does get hype about a metallic ass swinging around wildly, and **** that guy.
You know what? If you really find this oversexualised why don't we all just agree to have the female suits dressed like muslim women. Make them wear a one piece that covers them from head to toe with only a little slit for their eyes, yes that does include covering the helmet. Because really I don't see what you're seeing. I walk down the shops and see mothers walking thier 3-5 year olds around in things you'd catch hookers wearing, I see teenage girls wearing virtually nothing, not to mention what some women wear out clubbing, then you have other games out on the market and really comparing that to all those things this is remarkably tame. |
NovaShadowStorm
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2012.12.24 11:51:00 -
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Lets all calm down and all agree that Kazeno Rannaa's ideal woman (should he ever find one) will be flat of chest, small of hips with absolutely no sway to her hips and will dress in nothing but turtle necks and jeans. Because anything more seems to be an unrealistic and over sexualised view of women.
Once again I still fail to see what alot of people are complaining about. Go to your local shopping centers, spend at even a minute looking around and I guarantee you will within seconds find a girl dressed far more provacatively than this. If you find many women doing it then I have a feeling that oh I dunno... maybe that women dress that way in this day and age. Look at half the damn shows on TV they have women dress far more provacatively. You'll find a dropsuit that just follows a normal womans curves and the fact she has a very hip swaying walk is the least of your concerns.
Worry about something that matters like the mothers dragging around their toddlers in miniskirts, knee high boots and fur jackets. How do you think they'll grow up? I worry more about real life things than oh that girl in this game looks way too sexualised despite the fact I can't even tell it's a female suit when I'm too busy shooting in the game to even notice until I go to Tbag her corpse. |
NovaShadowStorm
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2012.12.24 12:05:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:NovaShadowStorm wrote:Lets all calm down and all agree that Kazeno Rannaa's ideal woman (should he ever find one) will be flat of chest, small of hips with absolutely no sway to her hips and will dress in nothing but turtle necks and jeans. Because anything more seems to be an unrealistic and over sexualised view of women.
Once again I still fail to see what alot of people are complaining about. Go to your local shopping centers, spend at even a minute looking around and I guarantee you will within seconds find a girl dressed far more provacatively than this. If you find many women doing it then I have a feeling that oh I dunno... maybe that women dress that way in this day and age. Look at half the damn shows on TV they have women dress far more provacatively. You'll find a dropsuit that just follows a normal womans curves and the fact she has a very hip swaying walk is the least of your concerns.
Worry about something that matters like the mothers dragging around their toddlers in miniskirts, knee high boots and fur jackets. How do you think they'll grow up? I worry more about real life things than oh that girl in this game looks way too sexualised despite the fact I can't even tell it's a female suit when I'm too busy shooting in the game to even notice until I go to Tbag her corpse. Way to miss the point entirely.
Miss the point? You're the one making to much out of it, read again, my point is clear, You're saying that Dust women are oversexualised, my point is that look around, real life, women these days dress alot more provacatively for you to call this oversexualised compared to everyday life, TV, and other games in general is a joke. I will admit though I got off topic at the end. |
NovaShadowStorm
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2012.12.24 12:34:00 -
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Anyanka Shadowmane wrote:NovaShadowStorm wrote:Miss the point? You're the one making to much out of it, read again, my point is clear, You're saying that Dust women are oversexualised, my point is that look around, real life, women these days dress alot more provacatively for you to call this oversexualised compared to everyday life, TV, and other games in general is a joke. In fairness, I think the point that Chunky Munkey and the OP are trying to make is that sexism is bad and that something being 'less sexist' than something else doesn't make it okay. Also, that if the female character models are 'oversexualised' then that is sexist. If this is the case, then do we want to be a part of propagating a sexist game? I'd say no, and that this is the correct time to discuss and possibly change things. Personally, I don't agree that the female character models are 'over-sexualised', and I don't think a change is warranted.
I understand what you're saying and agree being sexist is bad, but at the same time really look around at how women dress today. I just can't fathom how people think the women in Dust are oversexualised when women themselves, real women choose to dress in a far more provacative and sexualised way. |
NovaShadowStorm
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2012.12.24 21:48:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:NovaShadowStorm wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:NovaShadowStorm wrote:Lets all calm down and all agree that Kazeno Rannaa's ideal woman (should he ever find one) will be flat of chest, small of hips with absolutely no sway to her hips and will dress in nothing but turtle necks and jeans. Because anything more seems to be an unrealistic and over sexualised view of women.
Once again I still fail to see what alot of people are complaining about. Go to your local shopping centers, spend at even a minute looking around and I guarantee you will within seconds find a girl dressed far more provacatively than this. If you find many women doing it then I have a feeling that oh I dunno... maybe that women dress that way in this day and age. Look at half the damn shows on TV they have women dress far more provacatively. You'll find a dropsuit that just follows a normal womans curves and the fact she has a very hip swaying walk is the least of your concerns.
Worry about something that matters like the mothers dragging around their toddlers in miniskirts, knee high boots and fur jackets. How do you think they'll grow up? I worry more about real life things than oh that girl in this game looks way too sexualised despite the fact I can't even tell it's a female suit when I'm too busy shooting in the game to even notice until I go to Tbag her corpse. Way to miss the point entirely. Miss the point? You're the one making to much out of it, read again, my point is clear, You're saying that Dust women are oversexualised, my point is that look around, real life, women these days dress alot more provacatively for you to call this oversexualised compared to everyday life, TV, and other games in general is a joke. I will admit though I got off topic at the end. The point, was that there is a disparity between the representations of men & women in this game. Pointing out examples of this happening elsewhere adds nothing to the conversation. The case you are making, is akin to saying we don't have to worry about problems in our own countries/homes/lives, just because those problems are worse in other countries etc.
Once again I still fail to see how breasts, and a rather hip swaying walk can possibly be be that bad but somehow you'll take offense to anything it seems. So I'm done with this now, you're the one averting your eyes from the fact that due to the way women interact and dress socially does change the way the world looks at things thus looking into this game from the outside people would then with this new perspective would say compared to other things and games I've seen this isn't bad at all. Because for the last time really how much of a difference between the two suits are there? Very little, save for breasts and a hip swaying walk. |
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