It's not that the female suits are just the usual embarrassing gamer fan service made by guys for guys (although they are), it's that female players aren't given a choice. Be a ridiculously sexualised clone, limit your choices of dropsuit, or be a man.

The only person who really gains anything from this is the hypothetical idiot teenage gamer who really does get hype about a metallic ass swinging around wildly, and **** that guy.

I think the question here is exactly related to this ^

Is this what we have here a representation of a ideal/ perfect woman? And the implications of that viewpoint into things like;
If I'm not like that, then should I try to be more like that?
If that figure is what is perfect/desireable and I'm not like that, then I'm not perfect/desireable?

But anyhows.... This is just game, a entertainment. We each pass on time doing/looking vierd things to pass out time and entertain our self.

It's not that the female suits are just the usual embarrassing gamer fan service made by guys for guys (although they are), it's that female players aren't given a choice. Be a ridiculously sexualised clone, limit your choices of dropsuit, or be a man.

The only person who really gains anything from this is the hypothetical idiot teenage gamer who really does get hype about a metallic ass swinging around wildly, and **** that guy.

There's so much fail in this topic I don't even know where to start. The only non-sexist argument in favour of these suits I've seen is the commentary on Gallente culture.

SO,

After a couple years of school, and some amazing instructors, I have begun to develop and refine my perception of sociocultural interactions and the scaffolding they occur within. One of my perceptions that has undergone a changing and reattenuation of its lens is that of our media and its representation of women.

Now my question to both you, the beta players and the developers of Dust 514, is what do you think of the overtly sexualized female character models? The accentuated breasts, the apparent necessity of the female character models to go into combat in high heel wedge boot, or the obvious need for the models to swing their hips in a sexy saunter while the male models are able to calmly strut around? Does anyone find this strange? Mildly sexist? Especially when, if one takes a moment to think about it, would not want their mother, grandmother, daughter, sister, aunt or any other women of regard in their lives to be portrayed in said like manner.

I could be going out on a limb by making a grand generalization as that, but I feel that I am not that far off base.

SO, if you have an opinion about this, I would love to hear it. I think this is a relevant today, given how, through our inundation via mass media and technology, we are constantly enculturated and socialized with what are the socially and culturally acceptable forms of representation of self and others, how we choose to interact with those identities, and what level of empathic understanding we apply to them. This is to be inclusive of socializing the behavior of objectification for the purpose of commodification so as to produce and accumulate material wealth.

Kind of like killing for profit. Maybe it's not so bad since we are clones? But do you think realistically a woman would want to make sure to sway her hips while int he process of preparing to go into combat and commit mass murder? I mean really?

And the ... wibbly wobbly hips thing? No one walks like that!

as a Man

I must ask how come they are not wearing some sorta space bikinis?

Cause thats how I picture all women in my head anyway.

First off you have to understand the decisions behind the adjustments between male and female.

For example female skeletons are very different from males. They cope with movement differently.

Also there is psychological selling point.

To better explain this aspect I'll present to you Mr. Afro Sam Jackson. African American sort of person, all dressed up like a thug from the hood in his 'blinging' ride. To not sell this image at all would to have this character voiced by the whitest nerdy voice you can think of. Dust 514 doesn't give player characters a voice of their own other than the death grunt and breathing so the only other visual indicator left from afar is movement.

So back to dust 514. We have the issue of throwing women into the same suits as the men and giving them the same animations and model. How can you tell they are female other than the designation on their ID card?

Enlarged Breasts, a very natural organ most females have, is something that isn't very comfortable to squash them into the extremely flat required position onto the body in the pressurized augmented dropsuit?

Pressure suits are extremely uncomfortable, if our current ones we use in NASA causes nails to be torn off in the gloves can you imagine what abrasions you can get if you squash an organ like that? Another example is the US army is finding out that Small Body armor traditionally designed for men is still getting women killed (blame goes to the body armor when the body armor fails to do its job in the prescribed environment where it should have worked) because the vests inefficiencies are not accounting for the fact women's bodies ARE different.

Bottom line, we could have kept it the generic male clones around but that is not appealing to female characters wanting to play their gender or men wanting to play as females.

While you may argue sexualizing the female characters, why are you not complaining about sexualization of the male characters?

speaking as a female player, the female suits dont really bother me, the reason i have a male suit is simply because i created this character before female was even an option.

i understand that there are strong opinions on the reprisentation of women in video games, and to be fair, dust is quite tame by comparison to some out there!

I like it. I've seen women walk like that before. If I were female, I'd walk like that 24/7.

I'm pretty sure a woman in death Armour would want to be comfortable, that means making space for those lovely things in front.
And how do you know when the suit comes off she isn't vomit inducing?
Ill be honest apart from the scout I never even notice if its a woman

I agree that the women avatars in this game are grossly overdone but to be fair, if the difference was not made big and clear, people would be complaining that the females look the same as the males and that Dust has been completely asexualised.

That said, they are ridiculous. Why would a female soldier's armor be shaped externally to the shape of her breasts? If this was the most effective bullet protection shape, the men would be using it too. If the flatter male shape is most effective, everyone would use that. And the stupid wibbly wobbly hips thing? No one walks like that!

Question is though - if there needs to be a well defined visual differentiation between the sexes in Dust, how should it be represented?

Lofl youre kidding me right? Youre seriously focused on the fact that they gave the female avatars definition? What you want? A super dyke butch female built and carrying dumbbells? Its a game we stereotype females as having nice figures.

You want a fat girl? Perhaps double d's with a beer gut and a limp? Throw in a black eye? Not all men are built the way they're portrayed in this game, we don't whine. Although some of us do have jobs and visit the gym regularly.

Point being its only a game stop worrying about the cosmetics and stereotypes, play and enjoy and help fix the damn thing.

I think the question here is exactly related to this ^

Is this what we have here a representation of a ideal/ perfect woman? And the implications of that viewpoint into things like;
If I'm not like that, then should I try to be more like that?
If that figure is what is perfect/desireable and I'm not like that, then I'm not perfect/desireable?

But anyhows.... This is just game, a entertainment. We each pass on time doing/looking vierd things to pass out time and entertain our self.

Calm down Tzaar, she is trying to fix the game. And she's trying to have a civilized and well thought out debate over this particular issue because I think everyone agrees the female clones look silly.

OP why did you bring this cancer down upon us?

^ This, I've run around battle fields and haven't noticed if a player was female until I ran past their corpse or got up close and personal with my SMG. Personally I think if you're paying that much attention to whether you're fighting a male or female suit on the battlefield then you're likely detracting from your overall gaming experience not to mention you're probably not dodging much either trying to keep them in frame.

Compared to many other games Dust barely sexualises their models at all. I mean how sexy can you really be in the end when every inch of your merc is clad head to toe in armour with a helmet stuck on their head? Yes the female suits have accentuated breasts but females have breasts and lets be honest it is the easiest way to tell a female suit from a male one instantly. Secondly As for the heels I can really barely see them, you don't see them as you play and you don't really see them as you walk about in your quarters. The only real time you see them is if you're following some one around the waiting room or happen to be staring at a teammates feet as you run around to which I have to say that you'd be focusing on that wayyyy too much and you probably have some sort of foot fetish. And yes they do have sway in their hips but that is considered a feminine trait, you will find watching a fair few women walk they have some degree of sway.

This is my thing if you(a female) were to create a character yourselves body type and all 95% of woman will make themselves look like they just came out of a fantasy playboy issue as they do with mosy MMO games..


When do you ever see a FAT GIRL representation of themselves, Most will create someone who in there eyes they wanna be..
Im sorry but i feel that this is the way of the world today same as a male 95% of the time you wont find a guy creating a skimp ass version of themselves you know, There gonna be buff with some overbearing voice and a new persona...When there a fat kid with glasses and soprano toned voice,

viewing it as a sexist act kinda contradicts and has a hint of sexism in it anyway i mean unless your american(which i am) most woman are petite and are very sexual people, you would be underminding yourselves to potray yourself as anything less,

not to mention it brings unification to the table like a uniform school cant make jokes if you all look the same no? just saying