SO,
Does anyone find this strange? Mildly sexist?

I find this thread to be far beyond the point in which most of the people playing this game would like to think. I on the other hand will debate your points and the statements of others.

Yes this game sexualizes women, but it does the same thing to men. The argument of the game is, we are using genetically enhanced men and women. You have to think of this universe as a spartan world, in which anyone at birth that seemed week was cast from a mountain to their death as an infant. This is the universe that you play in. So for men to be designed the way they are makes sense they must be strong and alpha, they are beyond fit and probably taking muscular enhancers. So the way they are designed makes sense. You may not like it, but it is CCP's universe that they have created, set into motion, and made the vastly large and differentiating back ground stories. From slavery to an over zealous religious worlds. These are worlds made by people with their own views and beliefs but by no means does that mean if you are uncomfortable here should you play this game.

Now as far as women go it sits almost in the same place. These are clones that are created in the same manner. So yes their parts will be overly defined in the same manner as the men are. They also enhanced as well. When you enhance a woman to make them stronger they usually take on a masculine aspect , one that most women would not like to be portrayed as. So in a sense CCP has tried to find a middle ground in which fits their own story and fits the personal views of the women who would like to play this game. Yes I am aware that not all women would like to be portrayed in this manner. But women have breast and as the world goes they are not getting any smaller, and if you increase hormones into a women's body these parts get larger by nature. Again these hormones are used in this world for women and men so they are going to have large breast. Now the sway cannot be defined by any back ground info of the game, but I would like you to take a survey and see which women want to walk like a man and which ones would like to have swagger. The boots are more than likely there also because CCP is trying to make the women happy in this game. I also feel that is is overdone and the military does not issue different boots to women than they do men. But given the statement earlier about armor they might want to look into armor that is more designed for women's body style. Which in turn might give them a more female look. That is to be determined.

As for you fight against the way we are portrayed, you might want to center it on both male and females because we are both stereotyped on this game. Men just have a logical and proven reason for looking and walking the way we do. Yet the way women walk and are their boots has more to do with the way they want to see themselves and the way society would like them to look. Their armor and their physic has logical and proven reasons for looking the way they do. The truth of the matter is if this is how a woman wants to look it is none of you business how they look as long as they are respectable in a public manner then it should not matter to you.

I as a person am very liberal and how you choose to act or portray yourself in a private setting is your own choice. I also feel that there is an amount of respect that should be put out for yourself and those around you when you are in public, given the setting in which you are in. My wife, mother, sister, and many of my female friends are very sexual and have a crude and no holds bar verbal personality. It is no way my right to tell them this is wrong and that they should not act or be this way as long as they hold a respectable manner when one is in the situation that this should be done.

You should complain how the men are tall and well built, with an even and powerful frame.

It's wrong to want "perfection" in "perfect" combat clones, am I right?

You have mistaken my comment on perfection as one of looks. My perfection model was one based on the ability to do the job of a merc.

Once again I still fail to see how breasts, and a rather hip swaying walk can possibly be be that bad but somehow you'll take offense to anything it seems. So I'm done with this now, you're the one averting your eyes from the fact that due to the way women interact and dress socially does change the way the world looks at things thus looking into this game from the outside people would then with this new perspective would say compared to other things and games I've seen this isn't bad at all. Because for the last time really how much of a difference between the two suits are there? Very little, save for breasts and a hip swaying walk.

These female avatars are depicted rather well as women, outside of the walk which looks like either their suits are to tight or they have a stick in their butts. lol.

These women have slender frames, a basic hour glass shape, decent size breast, decent sized rears, rather thicker shoulders for your average woman(which is usually a sign of athleticism). They actually look some what athletic. At a runners/stamina stand point these women by their virtual look and my own experience as a runner look like they could smoke probably at least 85% of the people playing in this beta.

I was contemplating on this thread and games over doing women's sexual physical identities. CCP had two roads to take in the category of the female body. They could have gone the over athletic female figure which as an athlete I can tell you is a very hard body type to achieve, and most who try cannot get there just do to body style and genetics. Which is sexiest in itself because this promotes the same feelings as a Barbie. I can't look like that and I should look like that or I am not pretty.

Or they could have taken the road that they have taken the cross between athleticism and general average women. In the Gallente suit the avatars body is more noticable, but if you look she does not have a completely flat stomach she actually has a stomach that is there not in a completely wash board abs style. Good sized breast a good sized rear, but they are not over done they are on the average size. Which the women who can never achieve this shape will fill the same way as the category before.

Then they could have taken the third route which does not put women into the game at all. This again is sexist, because it promotes the thought that women are not competent enough to perform on the battle field.

So in conclusion of the choices where would you have like them to have gone with this game. Which route would you have taken. All are sexiest in there own right by your definition of over sexualizing women. I feel that CCP has taken the middle road with this everyone was not going to be happy you can't make them all happy if you try you will only go mad.

On a final note towards the game listed, I am a self respecting man and I loved DOA it is by far one of the most complicated and hardcore fighting games ever made. The combos, counters, grab, and counter grabs are so advanced and responsive that if performed by an advanced players can go on for 15 to 20 seconds before someone even deals damage. These women were oversexualized but was looked past by me and many others(not payed any attention to when you are trying not to lose)do to the complexity and the large amount of skill needed to even be good at this game. These games are still mocked and laughed at due to the way they depict women, even given how good of a game it was by women, men, and gamers alike to this day.

This has to be the dumbest thing ever.Any women that is famous ie movie star,singer has done something in the way of cosmetic surgery to her body.Some type of body modification,lipo suction,breast implants,no jobs ,face lifts,eye wrinkle removing.It has nothing to do with sexism at all.It has to do with what is aesthetically pleasing to the eye.For all of you who look down at CCP's scout as sexism you need to watch GI Jane again.When Demi Moore is working out.Look at her body.That is what the female form looks like when its devoted to exercise and physical conditioning.Am I wrong to find that appealing?I think not.The OP needs to get real.
Weather thick,chubby,short,or tall.I love all women....BECAUSE they're effeminate and feminine.

This has to be the dumbest thing ever.Any women that is famous ie movie star,singer has done something in the way of cosmetic surgery to her body.Some type of body modification,lipo suction,breast implants,no jobs ,face lifts,eye wrinkle removing.It has nothing to do with sexism at all.It has to do with what is aesthetically pleasing to the eye.For all of you who look down at CCP's scout as sexism you need to watch GI Jane again.When Demi Moore is working out.Look at her body.That is what the female form looks like when its devoted to exercise and physical conditioning.Am I wrong to find that appealing?I think not.The OP needs to get real.
Weather thick,chubby,short,or tall.I love all women....BECAUSE they're effeminate and feminine.

I agree this thread will not die. Chunky and I will not let it until we have agreed, or CCP locks it.

I know dude. It just doesn't die already.

Again Chunky you have a way of not reading what is written. He is stating that it is the norm, not that it is right just that it is the norm. It is what we see everyday if you see something and tell yourself that is normal you will begin to see it(I am not saying that this is how the poster feels, I am saying this is the norm of society. Right or wrong.).

His post is stating the same thing that I have been saying the whole time that these are not average women in this game they are women of athleticism, not average women.

Classical greek male statue look like they are in pretty good shape if you ask me.

Edit: sorry link did not work but go ahead and look up some classical Greek statues of men.

As stated IMO DOA was the epitome of fighting games, what do you think killed.

but she is not posing for any advertising. She is not posing at all, unless you take it that way which is your own prerogative. Also Greek statues don't look silly outside of missing appendages, they look athletic and like fit people.

Okay so I have a quick question does it make us people who don't care about sexualism or people that are mature enough to look past a female body since we never noticed before this thread.

Because to me it was just a woman not the perfect woman, not the best athlete, not a sex idol not just an avatar for me to shoot at that represented the enemy or someone on my team to protect, rep, revive, and play with.

We know that and everyone here knows that.

The thing is CCP didn't lock this for a reason because they wanted to see what we felt as a whole. The only problem is that we are two sided on the issue, that is why it won't die. I am arguing for the sake of Dust not the world.