it annoys me, i got into a game and got invalid fittings DX

Well 3 tanks wins

We had no tanks, the others had three and we beat them

Constant lag, hit detection was really off, and apparently my corp has a bunch of no names, where Osmon whatever has a bunch of wicked good guys (not that this can be controlled, but it made for a very lopsided match >_<)

Oh, and comms weren't working

Don't know if it is due to lag or whatever.I have 60mb connection so not on my end

i kept trying to snipe you, you were bouncing everywere

How is this any different from the regular instant battles? We get to play with people from the same NPC corps. The maps are the same and so are the objectives. Its sort of a pain to join a match too. I'm sorry I was hoping to point out some really positive points but it just feels like the regular game.

Am I the only one who was hoping Corp vs Corp meant a planetary map with sectors to invade?

All I can say is 5 tanks hurt :(

Threw 10 packed AV nades at 1 over a hill he just laughed and blew me up with a railgun :(

hahaha mintar is dominating

Right shifty lot those Minmatars your meant to trust in the rust! Not blow everyone up in a tank

Also heard from someone else that they managed to squad with someone on the other team. They went to their proper teams when they started, but their squad comms were still together, despite being on the opposite teams. Bug, or maybe a FeatureGäó?

I haven't seen or been able to get into the corp matchs. they dont show up for me. been trying since 00.00 hours.

How is this even "Stress testing" when there's so little battle going on?

The first round of matches did take place, although each side had 16 people join quickly..

Matches involving your corporation currently show in the Battle Finder, even if it's full (as it is for my character).

we all just got kicked from the kelkoon v's royal uhlans corp battle,
and we are now sitting in the initialization screen,
and have been for some minutes...

help ccp, your our only hope.



- 'Ad Mortis Nos Tripudio' -

The frustration of playing & constantly restarting a broken game that official testers actually get paid for is starting to outweigh the fun of playing an unreleased game. Perhaps I just need to take a long break... idk.

You are forgetting all the people who spent money on aurum and the merc pack. They are paying to play a beta, which is all sorts of weird. Granted it is their choice.

I went 41/1 and got just under 200k SP and 300k ISK

Would try again

Got in on the last match for my corporation (very lucky, as I hadn't been paying attention to the clock and signed in to see three spots left on the contract).

I feel the corporation match was much more organized than I've normally experienced, although from what I understand after speaking with other Crux members is that our initial matches were full of nothing but KDR wh***s. There were a few issues with incapable squad leaders not doing their job, but considering that we got three orbitals off before the end and dominated the majority of the objectives leads me to believe it was tolerable.

Things I liked:

Lots of people on mics, in both squad chat and team chat. Made it very effective for everyone to know where they needed to go, what was needed, etc - we ended up with two dedicated rep-logis (myself included) on our tank, decent sniper support (plenty of calling out enemies/marks), and a healthy amount of combat-oriented units making it next to impossible for the enemy tanks to pin us down. Everyone moved and stayed together as a unit, and for the most part an entire squad of people would remain on an objective as defense. Orbital strikes were used liberally, and moreso, tactically. Whenever someone's OS became available, their squad announced it and the team unanimously called where the most important strike location was. Suffice it to say, almost all of them landed on and around the only objective we hadn't captured yet, clearing it out for us to (almost) capture it before the end of the game. Again, awesome synergy throughout the team. We had just enough of each role to make an effective combat force. I wish I could speak for earlier matches as well, I hear there were a number of Crux members who doing more KDR farming than actually winning the battle, but regardless - good experience. Also, the map we played on was the perfect size for the number of players. (Not Biomass, nor Plateaus - it was the one with all the crag/spires in the middle with the heavy fog laying over the whole map)

Things I didn't like:

All-in-all, I felt the match was simply too short for what it was. That, and I feel there should be some type of notification in a player's notification tab indicating that a corporate contract is up. If I hadn't have known this event was happening, or when, I would have probably logged in and never known the event was even happening. Considering that I have come across players in comms who are don't use/check the forums or their email frequently at all, I can't imagine there are those out there who had no idea this event was even happening. Lastly, I would have liked to see a more effective squad system in place (this is more a general comment, but it applies even more so in corporate matches); squads were rather haphazardly thrown together. We had ten squads, two of which were single units, a handful with two or three, and maybe four squads with the full four members. I understand this is a little difficult to work around with the "create a squad" system, but I really do feel that squads should [at least to some degree] be consolidated when the match starts, for greater levels of organization.

Same here, we'd practically red lined them, then we got kicked abruptly back to station quarters. No new battle available for a minute or so, then one showed up, we joined and are sat in Battle Initializing for about 10 minutes till we went past the end of the corp battle timings.

Voice coms : its rubbish total rubbish, infact im ashamed to say i try and use it.
i was squad leader, i could hear my gang, but my voice was a littke red cross, no green speach bubble.
this fails big time. i spent a quarter of the match typing " my coms dont work" in squad chat and the same time trying to get the thing working. my exact words " this ****ing piece of stupid ****ing **** voice **** "
sorry yeah its that bad CCP,

Pretty tiresome really. Joined the match, corp was being farmed in spawn by snipers and tanks. Flanked them, which ofcourse was far to advanced a tactic for anyone else to think of. Killed one of their snipers then instagibbed by a tank as soon as my marker showed up for using my weapon... just the usual. Match was over before anything else of note happened

You know its a flawed battle system when its already 6 v 12 and the enemys decide its a great time to bring 5 tanks to the fight... Balance this shite man so frustrating lol, whoever the clans were you are total dicks -_-

How are you distributing the rewards for the corp battles? The Caldari and Gallente are putting up good fights for one another, while the Minmatar are decimating the Amarr. I don't believe it would be fair for the Minmatar to get rewards and neither the Caldari or Gallente, seeing as they didn't have a chance to fight the Minmatar corps.

we all just got kicked from the kelkoon v's royal uhlans corp battle,
and we are now sitting in the initialization screen,
and have been for some minutes...

help ccp, your our only hope.



- 'Ad Mortis Nos Tripudio' -

Corp vs. corp? More like who spawns the most tanks and spawn camps the longest wars. Oh well. Thanks for having us test CCP.

Seitouda Task Force vs Crux Special



Battle never happened. Stuck in Battle Initializing screen, our whole team could hear each other, but battle just didn't finish.

Seitouda Task Force vs Crux Special



Battle never happened. Stuck in Battle Initializing screen, our whole team could hear each other, but battle just didn't finish.

Going to restart that battle in 5 minutes (at 9:45EST).

Got into two skirmish matches. First was lost due to 4 minny tanks. The STB boys hard at work. And the second was lost because we were outnumbered 2 to 1 for the majority of the match. I think it was worse in numbers at the start. While I didn't look I can imagine that the first match had the same poor turnout for my corp. would have been fun if the fights were even, even despite the tankfest in the first one

Crux vs seituoda Crux had all 3 points but Seituoda had fielded 3 tanks and a drop ship, I fielded a heavy wielding the breach variant forge gun intent on spilling some metal gun. I found my target a tank isolated by cliffsides and separated from the other 2, it already had shields down and a little armor damage, I race up a cliff and charge my forge gun. 6 seconds is a long time I don't think I can get more than 2 shots in before he either makes a run for it or turns around to gun me down but no matter that's still over 4 k damage and it might just do the job. I hear his engine pretty loud now he passes just to my left and below, he's in sight! I line him up and fire my first charge straight at his side. And that's when everyone got disconnected we could still chat for a bit. We tried to reconnect but all that did was for us to get stuck in the match up screen wit voice chat on for about 10 minutes before the server closed.

True they shouldn't even count thoses matches 4 vs 11 there's no chance of winning and mimi are rubbing it on the face of amarr if they don't fix it I suggest if getting into a match like we have describe then the hole team should just get out and not waste the time and keep doing that until they fix it.

CCP, there is a MAJOR bug in which after getting in the Corporation Battle and the player list screen. The game will go the controller loading screen, but drop the player back to the MQ. This bug affected 12 different players that I know of. I will also be submitted a bug report on its behalf.

Other than that please open up 32 vs 32 corp battle so many Minmatar are hungry to kill all Amarr and their God.

*Gasp*
Why would a Gallente ever converse with a Caldari?!
I sense a traitor in our mist....

Managed to get in on one corp vs corp Ambush. It was much like any other Ambush really.

CCP, there is a MAJOR bug in which after getting in the Corporation Battle and the player list screen. The game will go the controller loading screen, but drop the player back to the MQ. This bug affected 12 different players that I know of. I will also be submitted a bug report on its behalf.

Other than that please open up 32 vs 32 corp battle so many Minmatar are hungry to kill all Amarr and their God.

... Imagine all 32 players spawn a tank for themselves.....

After I reset I kept an eye on the menu for an opening and when I got in all my dropsuits were INVALID...

After I reset I kept an eye on the menu for an opening and when I got in all my dropsuits were INVALID...

You are forgetting all the people who spent money on aurum and the merc pack. They are paying to play a beta, which is all sorts of weird. Granted it is their choice.

16-on-16 tank battle? Sounds pretty fun to me. But I agree that can be frustrating if both sides aren't using vehicles proportionally.

:/ couldn't get into one.

Also not sure what one to get into... I'm playing in the US with an EU key. :\

Crux vs Zumari just crashed.

Got into two skirmish matches. First was lost due to 4 minny tanks. The STB boys hard at work. And the second was lost because we were outnumbered 2 to 1 for the majority of the match. I think it was worse in numbers at the start. While I didn't look I can imagine that the first match had the same poor turnout for my corp. would have been fun if the fights were even, even despite the tankfest in the first one

There should be a second and maybe third place prize or something. It seems like if you're going to offer as much as 1 million SP and ISK, there should be some drop off before just nothing.

That being said I'm somewhat biased since I'm pretty confident Minmitar won and Gallente (me) came in second.

The only thing that was different was that people really cared about winning

Never got into a single corp battle. Quit trying after a while.

anyway...there should be NO drop off IMHO. The game isn't balanced enough yet to start putting up contestable prizes. It will only hurt the desire for folks to want to keep testing and continue providing good feedback, especially when they are not allowed to pick their own Corps yet etc.

The issues seem to arise when tanks are allowed on simple team VS team clone reduction campaigns. So either disallow tanks there, or add turret emplacements that constantly change locations, and repair themselves after being blown up by tanks.

corp battles were awesome.... loved how the enemy called in the tanks against me and i prevailed it was the most fun i had on dust yet

I wouldn't call it awesome when we were just 4 people and got redlined right at the start. Royal Uhlans was a royal screwup when it came to participation

Well there should be some drop off. The whole idea of the corp battles is to win the zone for whoever is hiring you (or at least it is in theory) and showing off a little. It's still a beta so I'm not sure the 1mil ISK/SP even matters that much to be honest, I just figure if you're going to give prizes, you shouldn't give a huge prize for first and then absolutely nothing for second, etc (for the reasons you pointed out) but it also shouldn't be "everyone gets a participation prize regardless of outcome" because that's the antithesis of what Corp battles are.

When the game is live, I couldn't agree more! Right now, with how hard it is to get SP, 1mil to just the winner (as you said,) is ridiculous. During these initial tests, though, I do believe everyone deserves at least a participation prize. Winners get more, sure, but...

About the prize or bonus sp and isk to be given, seems to me that giving the sp to just the winners will just further unbalance any future tests of corp battles. They won because of skill and already being able to field better fits, another mill sp will just let them max out something else with the losers never being able to catch up and obtain parity

Don't know exactly what CCP is testing here because they haven't said. In my opinion these tests aren't very good in that they don't give any type of info except on how hard it is to get into matches with so many people in the corps. Participation from the Templars wasn't what it should have been. There was no communication pre match and no way to do that if you wanted to unless you already have a TS server and were willing to open it up to the randoms in your "corp".

The only currency that really matters in this contest is sp, the isk is irrelevant to the outcome of the matches. Maybe a sports analogy would work here. Lets say a runner wins a race by .5 seconds and as a reward in the next race he will get a 10 meter headstart. Guess which one will win the next race? Awarding sp to only the winning faction will just unbalance any future matches just like my racing analogy.

Why does it matter now? Unless CCP is going to do another wipe before any other tests of corp battles, then the uneven battles will continue and participation will decline because the matches are meaningless except to gain information for the DEVS. I could use a mill sp but I don't have to have them to be competitive. I have 11 or 12 mill isk so I don't really need the mill they are giving away. I participated to test corp battles for the DEVS and for no other reason.

That's the classic rich get richer argument when it comes to rewarding any first place team in a competition with more currency of any sort. The problem with rewarding participation prizes of equal value is that it makes winning meaningless. The problem with rewarding prizes of diminishing value as you work your way down the winners list is it still gives more currency to the already rich, but I think that's probably the best option if you want to promote a feeling of "we want to win" while still keeping it somewhat balanced.

As for the rest of your post, I think you just got unlucky relative to the corporation you're in. If you were in a more active corp, like Villore, for example, matches were filling up within 15-20 seconds of it showing up in the Battle Finder. Also you're more likely to have people who can field tanks, and people who can counter them.



Actually, they did. They said they were stress testing the server. I had more lag in the Corp battles than I've ever had in a regular match, though it still wasn't horrible.

Dude, you are in an npc corp. If you think it will work out good when the game launches you are seriously deluded. There will be 50 k or more players in each npc corp. As far as my corp being organized, my corp isn't even in game yet because CCP hasn't seen fit to include player run corps. Nobody in EVE or DUST gives a **** about npc corps and the only ones that care about the factions are those who do faction warfare. Even they are mostly in player run corps and do ops together rather than a group of randoms.

About the prize or bonus sp and isk to be given, seems to me that giving the sp to just the winners will just further unbalance any future tests of corp battles. They won because of skill and already being able to field better fits, another mill sp will just let them max out something else with the losers never being able to catch up and obtain parity

I quit the last amarr match last night. Why, because when I joined the match we were out numbered with snipers and tanks, including STB-TED, parked as close as they could get to our spawn point. After dying twice trying to get a look around the corners of the buildings I decided f this s*** and quit.

The Amarr won either our first or second match and have lost every other match, usually in a slaughter due to tanks. One match they had a tank sitting in the middle of the road with 2 logistics behind him healing him as he took damage. Managed to kill one and run the other off and the tank withdrew for a minute and then returned and continued the slaughter. The match we won was evenly balanced without all the tanks and we won with a few ticks left on our armor.

I hate losing but I don't mind going 1/8 when I at least get a chance to fight back. I don't like going 0/12 when there is no chance.

Don't know exactly what CCP is testing here because they haven't said. In my opinion these tests aren't very good in that they don't give any type of info except on how hard it is to get into matches with so many people in the corps. Participation from the Templars wasn't what it should have been. There was no communication pre match and no way to do that if you wanted to unless you already have a TS server and were willing to open it up to the randoms in your "corp".

STB seems to have solved the problem of grouping by having all their members sign up for the same faction when they created their chars. There seemed to be 3 or 4 of them in every match against the Amarr and they were usually in tanks or dropships.

Player owner corps will fix some of these problems. Prematch selection of players for the types of fits they can bring would happen. You would have the players you need in the numbers needed or you just wouldn't take the contract. These things can be done on our own personal corp forum .

Dust voice coms seem to be working, at least in the corp matches people were generally on coms. It is hard to tell why almost no one uses coms during the regular matches.

The only currency that really matters in this contest is sp, the isk is irrelevant to the outcome of the matches. Maybe a sports analogy would work here. Lets say a runner wins a race by .5 seconds and as a reward in the next race he will get a 10 meter headstart. Guess which one will win the next race? Awarding sp to only the winning faction will just unbalance any future matches just like my racing analogy.

Why does it matter now? Unless CCP is going to do another wipe before any other tests of corp battles, then the uneven battles will continue and participation will decline because the matches are meaningless except to gain information for the DEVS. I could use a mill sp but I don't have to have them to be competitive. I have 11 or 12 mill isk so I don't really need the mill they are giving away. I participated to test corp battles for the DEVS and for no other reason.

Then why are you commenting in this thread?

My experience:
I had a blast! Playing with and against people who were actually trying to win was a welcome change to the KDR whores that pop up all the time in regular matches.
Since there were only 16 slots per team, you had to be fast to get in. Also, I found out you have to wait for the green light to start queuing, otherwise you would get booted out.
The only problem I noticed was that, after the battles, it was next to impossible to use the Instant Battle. Most of the time I would get a message that 'the battle that you were trying to enter is no longer available'. Other times it would start queuing, but I would end up back in my quarters, with no explanation as to why. On the one occasion that I got in, there were only a few players, 7-4.
Other than the server(?) issue, it was great! I look forward to future Corporate Battles.

I'm sort of getting the picture from the last few pages that the Minmatar vs. Amarr battles were always skewed toward the Minmatar side. Appropriately, the Minmatar players didn't have any problems fighting off the Amarr tanks (which makes sense if the Amarr are grossly outnumbered) while the Minmatar tanks were virtually impenetrable for the Amarr.

This is consistent with my own experience. The worst part about being dominated by Minmatar tanks? Several of them were militia tanks. Once I actually got a couple (militia, after losing a couple AV suits from a mile away) swarms to hit one, its health dropped quickly. I didn't manage to kill it--I was one guy against three tanks, a LAV, and at least one or two snipers, so once I got a swarm off I knew I didn't have much time--but I'm almost sure it was a militia tank. And yet it couldn't be destroyed because we could barely get close enough to it to hit it even once before it ducked behind the landscape.

The map could probably be modified, and AV is definitely out of balance as has been discussed elsewhere, but it seems like the biggest problem hands-down was the lopsided level of participation. I don't know where all the Amarr players were, or whether there were technical issues getting into the battle. Maybe people just don't like to play Amarr.

I'm Amarr, and those Corp vs Corp battles were pathetic. How I came out with a higher k/d ratio is makin' me feel like a genius. From the first 40 seconds of the game almost every flank was completely over-run, and that hill in-front of the main spawn became a tank sniping spot.

It really doesn't help that there tanks completely stomped us. It really made me worry about launch.

It also made me want to delete my Amarr with 5 mil SP to make almost ANYTHING else.

The same reason as MOST repliers, to give feedback to the devs to make the game better. Except for morons like you who think their experience is all that matters, and other people are irrelevant. Sociopathic much?

Never got into a single corp battle. Quit trying after a while.


A thought on the tanks: in the maps with turret launchers and railguns, the sightlines for certain turrets allowed me several tank kills. The issues seem to arise when tanks are allowed on simple team VS team clone reduction campaigns. So either disallow tanks there, or add turret emplacements that constantly change locations, and repair themselves after being blown up by tanks. Ater a suitable pause of course.

I notice you have no problem whining about connectivity issues with the servers in a BETA, which any reasonable person should expect.

I didnt get a chance to participate in the corp battles because of issues.Others are saying that they got skinweave Heavies for participation.From what I read you had to be invited thru your mail on your Neo comm?So no Sp or 1mill Isk or New DS skin for those of us who were not?I kept getting server full msg.

A full run down of the Corporation wins would be nice, I was under the impression from local that we hadn't lost a single match, although there was the one that disconnected everyone as I posted earlier, perhaps there were more of these.

This thread is specifically for the corporate battles. Your post was about an unrelated subject.


I was "whining" about a sudden increase in connectivity issues directly following the corporate battles, "which any reasonable person" would think might be connected.

So your reading comprehension sucks as well. Try reading the first line again. Now parse it. Reference was to the corp battle, ie not being able to log in. 3 posts down is a post stating the same thing - is that person commenting irrelevantly? No

Yes you were whining, about unrelated technical issues, which have been common to the BETA play experience irregardless of copr vs corp battles. I swear some of you posters think so highly of your own opinions that you feel you must police a forum that isn't yours. If you can't add something positive to the discourse, please refrain from imposing your views on others who are participating, you smart-a$$ed couch-potato.

Here are a few ideas that I believe could improve the game:

1. Vehicle controls should be altered. I believe the driving controls should be R2 to go forward, L2 to reverse, left analog stick to steer, and the right analog stick to look around. Keep triangle to switch seats.

2. It is much too slow to switch to the sidearm. I actually wish it wasn't mapped to R2 as well. Triangle would be much better. Make the right analog stick switch stance. L2 melee and R2 grenade.

3. The reload animations are a bit too long in my opinion.

4. I think the maps should look different based on the atmosphere of the planet. Fire, Ice, Forest, Desert, Storms, Snow. You could also have ancient cities, refineries, villages, architecture of the different cultures, mines, etc. Variety is always nice and should set the maps apart.

5. All the classes should have unique weapons and abilities that help the team. Assault is useless right now.

6. Additional cosmetic variety between classes and enemies. Should be able to look at player and tell what class they are playing.

7. Aim assist and voice chat should be enabled by default.

8. Higher default looking sensitivity.

9. Camera should be farther away from character in HQ.

10. Improve textures and effects

11. Grenade indicator for friendly and enemy grenades. Make indicator different colors.

12. Hit boxes need to be adjusted.

13. Reloading while running would be great.

14. Stamina meter is a bit annoying, would prefer unlimited sprint.

15. Hold breath while sniping if not already possible.

16. More class based game play similar to battlefield but on a greater level so people work together more.

17. Engineers can build temporary structures such as gun turrets

18. Press down to open a scroll wheel to select a vehicle or structure with analog stick. Look to Star Hawk for inspiration.

19. Traditional menu would be nice with a server browser and from there you can choose to go your HQ. Would have all the features and options available when you press start. HQ feels sort of gimmicky to me since its so small.

20. Orbital drop system for spawning would be awesome. I know it is in both Section 8 and Star Hawk but it makes sense in this game since you are working for the Eve Online players.

I have a feeling this is going to be an awesome game when all is said and done. :)