Just curious as prior to hotfix foxfour, many of the SR shortcomings were brought to current CPMs attention.

Some of these issues were even brought up in Rat's stickied locked thread about what we wanted to see in the next hotfix.

Now we se alot of great balancing points that may be included in foxfour hotfix, but the sniper rifle was not mentioned.

Up to this point the only thing ever improved with the SR since I started playing was the headshot multiplier. That was a bandaid fix and did not enough to fix the many ailments that a sniper has to deal with.

I want to know is the SR and sniping even a possibility to be apart of the next hotfix? What is CCP/CPMs concerns about its currents state, and what steps are being taken to correct them?

The normal laser rifle already tends to shut down field sniping unless the map is huge, having even more longer range weapons would just make this even worse (to say nothing of how strong lasers are if used properly already). How would yet another laser rifle be balanced in any way considering the massive disadvantages you get using a sniper rifle already? If this new rifle had the mechanics of the current laser rifle it would be absolutely insane unless the dps was so low as to make it useless anyway.

Probably for the best then, honestly. Sniper Rifle shouldn't be the only choice of weapon outside of 100m ranges. Just as well, Laser Rifle's optimal is 55m-104m. We need some variety and I think having a Laser Rifle that extends from traditional rifle ranges to just underneath maximum sniper rifle ranges is a good mix-up.

Would it have any other tradeoffs other than just a different optimal?

Also, so that it's 'easier' to tell this variant apart, could it have its own laser color?

completely agree on CSR and how it has been affected. the reload mainly from having 2 less bullets per clip makes it obsolete considering you have to factor in charge time. heavies took 4 body shots to kill regardless if not a head shot and a follow-up. the other guns seem to be in the right place though in terms of mechanics. most people agree that the SR damages should scale better also. so much could be accomplished for the betterment of gameplay for everyone if they actually listened to sniper proposals from the guys who actually snipe a majority of the their gameplay. not to sound bitter, but it's like getting intel from the source lol but unbiased. we've more than showcased many ways that this can be done without destroying balance, but rather, promote it in our feedback. that's also utilizing available assets. anyway, still good to see you chime in once in a while Symbs.

To Aeon: I know that nothing is guaranteed, ahd you don't mean to get our hopes up, but proper scaling of SR damage relative to the Thales, redline distance/tweaks, and some range reversion will go a long way to promote balance and making this weapon/role more effective on the battlefield imo.

Not sure everyone or even the majority think anything is wrong with the SR as it is. Most people, in fact, seem to think they are a area best left alone. A good sniper has no trouble producing results, and most players are not happy with OHKS from redline campers. So I am not seeing this ground swell of enthusiasm to fix the SR when its not broken. All I see is increase my range and damage as desired fixes from marine recon wannabes. How about Fixing it so the SR can't fire from the redline? I'm in favor of greater damage then, but I'm sorry most players seem to agree they do not add an enjoyable element to the game and making them better for redline camping will not change that option. You can't hack a point while sniping, and most maps are not even good for using the SR. Those maps that are good for sniping are also great for other mid to long range rifles to excel, but its difficult for those guns to have a chance to shine in those open maps if the SR OHKs everything that moves.

Just saying they work great now, work on your aim and realize like ALL OTHER GUNS they have a time and place to be used and require you to pick you targets. Wanting the sniper to be effective against all suits is the same as asking for any other weapon to effective against all suits. Its myopic and when you think about it unreasonable.

you obviously can't read well if you really just went and underlined that one phrase in my paragraph of feedback yet negated everything else that was mentioned that COMPLETELY addresses your concerns in terms of sniper damage progression and the redline. also, no one asked for them to be effective against every suit in the game? it just becomes even more of a balancing point when shield regen just got a huge buff, our damage profile was changed to only affect armor to be in line with race/lore a few builds back, and SR damage is no where in line with the Thales in terms of progression. if just that last point was implemented things would be balanced. SR will never OHK anything that moves cause not every shot is a head shot. also, the last time i checked, you can use Assault weapons anywhere and anytime. Assaults are so one-sided, i swear.

Why not allow one hit kill for sniper vs sniper? Headshots only, but only on players with a SR. With this, the snipers that are out there are given a choice: damp up to make it harder to be scanned, or tank up to avoid bodyshots but get lit up by scans. This way, the redlined tank can't pad their kd tp the moon with little to no chance of dying. You shouldn't be forced to spec into a situational weapon up to proto just to counter somebody that can't be killed with any other reasonable means.

It's just a thought to alleviate the lack of sniper counterplay without heavy skill investment.

Probably for the best then, honestly. Sniper Rifle shouldn't be the only choice of weapon outside of 100m ranges. Just as well, Laser Rifle's optimal is 55m-104m. We need some variety and I think having a Laser Rifle that extends from traditional rifle ranges to just underneath maximum sniper rifle ranges is a good mix-up.

This already exists in the current mechanics. You can tank EWAR for subtlety or tank HP for survivability, either way the sniper rifle basically guarantees a headshot to a counter sniper due to sway mechanics (**** hit detection notwithstanding).

The guaranteed headshot isn't the point, its that if you tank up you won't die to standard and even advanced counters, making it impossible for newer players to face a sniping tank and do anything but pester them, rendering their only countermeasure useless.

Well I dont control CCP, if I did there would be STD/ADV charge rifles (and proto breach scrambler pistols, and etc etc)

I understand man, I was just trying to defend my point. It's frustrating to have to spec up a skill tree that far to counter somebody and that's the only way to do it.

Obviously you can't communicate your ideas very well then. Because all that post calls for over and over is a power increase in the SR. You use the word balance, but only ask for additional buffs to the SR. Which, as I underlined to accentuate, is not to the betterment of all players. The SR kills most assaults in 1 or 2 shots on a dedicated suit. Also the shield regen should not be a factor for the SR. If you can't land two shots in four seconds you don't really need to be using the gun. The first shot should put them down to below half life, and the second should finish them even if they regen for 2 seconds. In truth the SR usually kills most suits on the field that are not heavies in one shot. You don't always need to aim for the full health guys either. Every loyalty Apex I have can be OHK by a proto sniper. So, I still don't see where the lack of balance is and most seem to agree.

Again all I see is another guy QQ on the forums because he wants to redline camp and OHK guys. That's not balance. Besides, right now I have no issue killing people with the SR, so I am not sure why you would have an issue. Anecdotally speaking it is a great weapon in balance. You can't use it every game because not every map is ideal for it, so you need to understand that concept. Much like the MD or Swarms it is a particular solution to a particular problem...its not a general purpose K/D padding machine.

So the best suggestions I could give you are work on your aim if the SR feels weak to you, or even better get the hell out of the redline and help your team flip an objective. Because right now the SR needs neither damage nor range buffs to do its job in competent hands like any other weapon.

At least quote who you are talking to, because right now it looks like you are assuming quite a bit. If that's the case, then you couldn't be more wrong.

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In truth the SR usually kills most suits on the field that are not heavies in one shot. You don't always need to aim for the full health guys either. Every loyalty Apex I have can be OHK by a proto sniper. So, I still don't see where the lack of balance is and most seem to agree.

Again all I see is another guy QQ on the forums because he wants to redline camp and OHK guys.

. Besides, right now I have no issue killing people with the SR, so I am not sure why you would have an issue. Anecdotally speaking it is a great weapon in balance. You can't use it every game because not every map is ideal for it, so you need to understand that concept.

Much like the MD or Swarms it is a particular solution to a particular problem...its not a general purpose K/D padding machine.

So the best suggestions I could give you are work on your aim if the SR feels weak to you, or even better get the hell out of the redline and help your team flip an objective. Because right now the SR needs neither damage nor range buffs to do its job in competent hands like any other weapon.

just git better. don't be a cowardly sniper skrub in the 1st place and ull be good. the real fights happen up close.....

Hit me up on Skype tomorrow, bring your sniper bros, we'll hash out ideas.

Not sure everyone or even the majority think anything is wrong with the SR as it is. Most people, in fact, seem to think they are a area best left alone. A good sniper has no trouble producing results, and most players are not happy with OHKS from redline campers. So I am not seeing this ground swell of enthusiasm to fix the SR when its not broken. All I see is increase my range and damage as desired fixes from marine recon wannabes. How about Fixing it so the SR can't fire from the redline? I'm in favor of greater damage then, but I'm sorry most players seem to agree they do not add an enjoyable element to the game and making them better for redline camping will not change that option. You can't hack a point while sniping, and most maps are not even good for using the SR. Those maps that are good for sniping are also great for other mid to long range rifles to excel, but its difficult for those guns to have a chance to shine in those open maps if the SR OHKs everything that moves.

Just saying they work great now, work on your aim and realize like ALL OTHER GUNS they have a time and place to be used and require you to pick you targets. Wanting the sniper to be effective against all suits is the same as asking for any other weapon to effective against all suits. Its myopic and when you think about it unreasonable.

I probably checked back too late. I apologize. There's likely no meaningful change they could make to the game at this point to get me to open my wallet to CCP again. (aside from a PC port which is the only reason I came back for the officer weapons contest, in hopes I would be playing this game for years to come) However as I recall you were there for the Red Wedding of Dust 514. I hope CCP is paying for your trip to Iceland this time around.

Preface, I haven't played this game in quite some time. Certain constants may have changed quite a bit. The following is how things were and to a large degree how I feel things should be. I recall what balanced looks and feels like. If that's your aim then please read on ahead.


Issues not addressed : Range, Sniping Locations, Reticle, Clip Size, and Fog / Weather effects.
Those all factor into having a useful enough weapon to spawn with.

TL;DR

Make base damage on sniper rifles meaningful. And for headshots double that meaningful damage. Not some all in on headshot monstrosity that makes even the worst player instantly good at counter sniping.

The ability to tank up to resist OHK kills is something I feel should not be removed.

Having sniper rifles simply able to instantly eliminate any suit on the field no matter what you fit it for is the kind of thing that will fly like a lead baloon with the vast majority of players.

I honestly think that rhe sniper rifle is in a good spot. Im able to two shot just about anything and im using a Thale. Every headshot works and bodyshots almost kill heavies on one shot. So to me its good. Only complaint is kick and sway after shot cuz then you have to realign the next shot and it takes skill to get the second shot on the target cuz they would move after the first if standing still.