[quote=Summa Militum]
This is just stupid wrong.

My suggestion, is to return many things to DUST514, one of these being the 800m range table of the sniper rifle, I used to shoot over the horizon ranges, and it took me a very, very long time to get proficient at this, and there were only a few that were. So the 3200m proto sniper rifle range table is NOT OP. That is the correct range for a futuristic sniper rifle, operational at over the horizon ranges. This is where I, and a select few, used to operate.



//slash

The SR had the range of 600 meter's before the nerf, when the game had the sharpshooter skill for all weapon's which at base skill, gave 25% increase to range and sharpshooter proficiency gave 15%, which gave the Sniper Rifle 240+ range or a maximum of 840 meters. Something as a sniper, I miss a lot, especially back before they added walls to objectives, snipers could keep objectives from being hacked and be useful to the team, more than be the "kill anything or kill nothing at all" sniper type.

If they don't change the SR range's back, at least reintroduce sharpshooter and sharpshooter proficiency. And to help snipers remove the walls of null cannon's so that we can get into position, and even fight for position's with enemy sniper's in the mountains on certain maps. (In example, the map on domination with the mushroom building, and the null cannon in the courtyard) It would make for such a more interesting game if more forces could fluctuate and influence the flow of the battlefield, more so than a mario scrub with an MD and some RE's.

You seem to completely missed my example, that sniper(s) would be fighting over position, and seem to believe that your team wouldn't have a counter sniper(s) or an ADS, or someone to go out to hunt the individual(s), It's not meant to be fun for you, the mud runner's, it's meant to add more interesting gameplay for sniper's, you must also understand that not everyone can just walk in with an Amarr AK.0 or Gallente GK.0, right?

And in regard's to my last post, the point was, even if you use a weapon that has immense range, most people aren't going to try and waste their ammo to waste a guy that they could potentially miss and would be more comfortable shooting at much closer ranges, where they have experience shooting at. Case in point, I can kill player's with a BK42 ACR at a range of 70-80 meter's, feathering the weapon, but most other player's shoot at ranges of 30-40 meter's, which if they feel comfortable shooting at that range, all the more power to them. Even the AR can snag a kill at 70 meter's, provided they have low armor, or rather 250 or less armor and no cover. Fact is, many gun's have the range, most player's and people shoot at shorter range's.

(Another example and an excellent one at that, is the ARR which has close to the same range as the RR, and once again, most players don't shoot at the medium distance range, but prefer to get closer to the enemy, for better sight on enemy acquisition).

So like in most video game's, most weapon range's are pretty much utility, their there, but most people choose not to use it, mostly because the gun-games meta is purely centered around being in close, which makes excellent gun-game for supporting classes, such as Sniper, Mortar/Support, and Tank.

Fact is, there's just too much preventing a sniper from doing his/her job in this game and a mortar/support or tanker will be able to function equally on the battlefield, would be nice if we could tag player's on the mini-map with a sniper rifle and get recon/scan assist's, like having your target in your sights for more than 2 second's and he/she automatically becomes tagged and seen by the rest of the team.

If you think it's an instant win button, you clearly have never sniped in Dust 514 before.

[quote=BARAGAMOS][quote=Aeon Amadi][quote=BARAGAMOS]
So with your logic, sniper's have no role, in a realistic stand-point that could be a very grave problem (no pun intended), because if we look at this with a realistic type of view, how would Caldari ever win if they never had sniper's? Exactly they wouldn't not to say they wouldn't be helpful, given the fact that many Caldari weaponry have long spool time's, the caldari would be at a considerable disadvantage if they were caught off guard by a Gallente Scout who, logically, flanked from a different angle and distracted the opposition long enough for his own troops to encroach on the Caldari forces and engage from a distance of their liking, now by your logic, the only role's there ARE, is those that are currently in the game, so if THAT were realistic, then logically sniper rifle's simply wouldn't exist PERIOD, so taking THEM out of the equation, there would be, absolutely NOTHING, to stop Gallente from ruling over Caldari with an Iron Fist.

Now Sniper's do actually deserve their own role, as in many FPS' from the Battlefield franchise, to many unnamed franchises they fit a specific role, that's flexible, and can support the allied team in more than 1 way, wouldn't make much sense to have an SR in a futuristic game and not expand upon it in someway, which is what really need's to happen.

Also your claim that your not "Anti Sniper" completely contradicts the fact that you pretty much, bashed on a few sniper's already, not twisting word's, just pointing out the obvious.

Furthermore, you're pretty much insulting anyone who even tries to defend the sniper rifle.... And we haven't even called you out by name..... You're the only one who seem's pretty hostile in this current moment.

Except I'm not asking for more damage, especially not reduced sway, either increased range or maybe reintroduction of sharpshooter skills to increase the range, or maybe the ability to tag my enemies, so that my allies can see their location's, that's all I'm asking for. It's more upsetting to see an enemy within the scope and know he's going to get away with everything he want's like some spoiled teenager from a rich family, all because your allies aren't on comm's or are too ignorant, or unaware to know where the enemy is at.

If not able to kill them, at least give us the ability to tag em'.

completely agree on CSR and how it has been affected. the reload mainly from having 2 less bullets per clip makes it obsolete considering you have to factor in charge time. heavies took 4 body shots to kill regardless if not a head shot and a follow-up. the other guns seem to be in the right place though in terms of mechanics. most people agree that the SR damages should scale better also. so much could be accomplished for the betterment of gameplay for everyone if they actually listened to sniper proposals from the guys who actually snipe a majority of the their gameplay. not to sound bitter, but it's like getting intel from the source lol but unbiased. we've more than showcased many ways that this can be done without destroying balance, but rather, promote it in our feedback. that's also utilizing available assets. anyway, still good to see you chime in once in a while Symbs.

To Aeon: I know that nothing is guaranteed, ahd you don't mean to get our hopes up, but proper scaling of SR damage relative to the Thales, redline distance/tweaks, and some range reversion will go a long way to promote balance and making this weapon/role more effective on the battlefield imo.

At least quote who you are talking to, because right now it looks like you are assuming quite a bit. If that's the case, then you couldn't be more wrong.

Edited grammar