Oh. Right. Am i supposed to rise to that bait or something?

*slow clap*

The ability to tank up to resist OHK kills is something I feel should not be removed.

Having sniper rifles simply able to instantly eliminate any suit on the field no matter what you fit it for is the kind of thing that will fly like a lead baloon with the vast majority of players.

Just curious as prior to hotfix foxfour, many of the SR shortcomings were brought to current CPMs attention.

Some of these issues were even brought up in Rat's stickied locked thread about what we wanted to see in the next hotfix.

Now we se alot of great balancing points that may be included in foxfour hotfix, but the sniper rifle was not mentioned.

Up to this point the only thing ever improved with the SR since I started playing was the headshot multiplier. That was a bandaid fix and did not enough to fix the many ailments that a sniper has to deal with.

I want to know is the SR and sniping even a possibility to be apart of the next hotfix? What is CCP/CPMs concerns about its currents state, and what steps are being taken to correct them?

Just curious as prior to hotfix foxfour, many of the SR shortcomings were brought to current CPMs attention.

Some of these issues were even brought up in Rat's stickied locked thread about what we wanted to see in the next hotfix.

Now we se alot of great balancing points that may be included in foxfour hotfix, but the sniper rifle was not mentioned.

Up to this point the only thing ever improved with the SR since I started playing was the headshot multiplier. That was a bandaid fix and did not enough to fix the many ailments that a sniper has to deal with.

I want to know is the SR and sniping even a possibility to be apart of the next hotfix? What is CCP/CPMs concerns about its currents state, and what steps are being taken to correct them?

At no point before this did any person on this thread bring up.

Besides the major and difficult to fix issues that Breakin Stuff mentioned I have always felt that the Sniper Rifle should inflict 3 levels of damage:
Level 1 Damage would be an instant kill and only obtained through a headshot.

Try re-reading the posts immediately preceding where someone mentioned that they felt the sniper should eliminate any suit on a headshot.

I posted why I don't use the sniper at all, which is tied to crappy core game mechanics that make it hard to get a good sampling of how well he sniper rifle is, versus what it can do, and why it is failing. I feel no need to rehash statements others have made tht I don't agree, nor disagree with until I get more information.

And finally in regards to you berating me for not providing the answer you want or responding the way you feel I am obligated to, kiss my butt. I'm a volunteer, not your employee.

Asked nicely. Stay on topic community leader.

Quit trying to dictate my role in the conversation. I'm not horribly known for cooperative spirit when people attempt to "put me in my place."

Caldari Commando has both a reload speed bonus and a damage bonus to all rail weapons (sniper rifles are small rail guns, as are rail rifles, bolt pistols and magsecs). There's no way an instant kill will ever fly in Dust, but damage zones have been asked for plenty in Dust. I've only had issues with hit detection in laggy maps, but that's true with any gun. Moving without sway isn't ever going to be a thing for several (what should be obvious) reasons, though I don't really see an issue with a skill that makes a minor reduction in it. As for that suit you want, you just named a suit every class in the game pretty much wants. 'I want lots of HP, lots of speed, and to be invisible on the map!' This isn't ever going to happen because it's obviously not balanced in the slightest.

I would rather *handle*personnel "Beef" be placed outside of Dust and Dust forums. If you have any issues and feel the same , were could I reach you ?

Personally I think a body shot from a sniper rifle should leave most medium suits on low armour. Headshots should OHK.

Currently they don't do enough damage. Most assault suits have between 500 and 900 hp. Even a triple damage modded, proto sniper rifle only does 266 damage to shields. That's hardly enough to leave enemies in low armour, and not even enough to kill in two hits in many cases.

How about upping the base damage at proto from 250 to 350? Is this crazy? A Thales is currently 373.

I remember beta when many got one shotted by snipers. Or at least two shotted. It was tough, but people learned to deal with it. They learned that you can't run across open ground safely. More vehicles were used.

I don't snipe myself, never really have. People do do it, and it can be effective. So it might be fine. Personally I rarely feel a sniper has impacted the match though.

I think the progression should be a bit more reliable at all levels.

Instead of having a 10 damage increase per tier, it should be 25, and start damage at 275 at basic level. That way at proto it is 350 with the officer only have a 23 increase (which still leaves it comfortably best in class over everything else)

should be 5% per tier...like all the other anti-infantry weapons

this is how every other weapon in the game is scaled, yes.

this is how every other weapon in the game is scaled, yes.

crappy core game mechanics that make it hard to get a good sampling of how well he sniper rifle is, versus what it can do, and why it is failing.

I think snipers should be untouched, they are ok

If anything, the ones that complain are the snipers that want more range from the he recline, or counter snipers who want more range in to the recline.

Only solution is a new variant Rifle, maybe 600m range, 50 base damage and 1500 Headshot, so skilled shots get kills

Now that you mention it I have to say that I am a bit curious about the future of the Sniper Rifle. I would think working on balancing that weapon would be extremely difficult because it would be too easy to accidentally make it OP.

I would like to hear some peoples views on the Sniper Rifle.

sniper range should be similar to large rail turret range.. im all for at least 600m on both...

My personal least favorite part about sniping is that I want to take it out of the redline, and I do, but then when Im out there Im stupendously vulnerable when I zoom in.

Combat with a sniper rifle goes like this:
See a target of opportunity.
Am I in a good spot that isnt insanely exposed?
Ok. Crouch. Zoom in. Sway Sway Sway aaaand at this point if anyone has seen me I will be either killed or forced to move, and any player worth being killed has most likely left the area and I cant get a shot on him anymore.

OR

Go to a place where I know I will be able to snipe an enemy position.
Crouch. Zoom in. Sway Sway Sway. Proceed to camp that one spot until someone gets tired of getting sniped and they come and shotgun me.

This is **** gameplay, and combined with the loud noise firing your rifle makes leaves you stupidly vulnerable while sniping, which in turn heavily reinforces choosing positions within the redline where you have a deterrent to people walking up next to you and killing you.

Non-redline sniping AT BEST is a semi mobile shuffling between decent common camping areas where you have a combination of lines of sights on common enemy positions and enough cover to make sitting still not suicidal.

Personally I'd like to see sway removed entirely or almost entirely so that there wasn't a 5 second ritual to perform honoring the sway gods before I have a chance at an accurate shot.

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This is just stupid wrong.

My suggestion, is to return many things to DUST514, one of these being the 800m range table of the sniper rifle, I used to shoot over the horizon ranges, and it took me a very, very long time to get proficient at this, and there were only a few that were. So the 3200m proto sniper rifle range table is NOT OP. That is the correct range for a futuristic sniper rifle, operational at over the horizon ranges. This is where I, and a select few, used to operate.



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My friend Joey, who pretty much only plays Eve now, stopped playing Dust514 because of a reduction in the range of Sniper Rifles. Apparently, before I started playing this game I guess, the range of Sniper Rifles was much greater than it is now.

The SR had the range of 600 meter's before the nerf, when the game had the sharpshooter skill for all weapon's which at base skill, gave 25% increase to range and sharpshooter proficiency gave 15%, which gave the Sniper Rifle 240+ range or a maximum of 840 meters. Something as a sniper, I miss a lot, especially back before they added walls to objectives, snipers could keep objectives from being hacked and be useful to the team, more than be the "kill anything or kill nothing at all" sniper type.

If they don't change the SR range's back, at least reintroduce sharpshooter and sharpshooter proficiency. And to help snipers remove the walls of null cannon's so that we can get into position, and even fight for position's with enemy sniper's in the mountains on certain maps. (In example, the map on domination with the mushroom building, and the null cannon in the courtyard) It would make for such a more interesting game if more forces could fluctuate and influence the flow of the battlefield, more so than a mario scrub with an MD and some RE's.

No modern rifle in use by any military fires 3200 meters..

Not even half that for Marine/Army issue. So that's a far stretch for the future considering at 1.6 miles the curve of the earth is hiding the target on flat ground.

Even in the future 3200 meters is a LONG way to fire a round and expect it to land with any interference wind/humidity/barometric pressure/ turning of the planet from a hand held device. The amount of velocity needed for that would require a huge amount of energy. Not sure that would be in line with the tech level of other guns in the game. If you are talking about it being futuristic, it cant be more advanced than say the AR. A gun landing that round would be the only gun you ever needed and in truth with that velocity would shred tanks as easy as people. So the current SR ranges seem already out of line with the other nonsniper weapons. They do much more damage over a much greater distance, and increasing that range just skews those numbers more.

So who ever first hacks an objective keeps it all game???
That's what the ability to snipe a hacker means. So no put up more walls so that the game can be played. Not speed hacks to start and snipe camping until the game ends. That does not even sound fun...why would you want that?

The Mario scrubs are an issue on their own. Maybe we should just put them and snipers in a bag and them fight it out...may the best scrub win.

You seem to completely missed my example, that sniper(s) would be fighting over position, and seem to believe that your team wouldn't have a counter sniper(s) or an ADS, or someone to go out to hunt the individual(s), It's not meant to be fun for you, the mud runner's, it's meant to add more interesting gameplay for sniper's, you must also understand that not everyone can just walk in with an Amarr AK.0 or Gallente GK.0, right?

And in regard's to my last post, the point was, even if you use a weapon that has immense range, most people aren't going to try and waste their ammo to waste a guy that they could potentially miss and would be more comfortable shooting at much closer ranges, where they have experience shooting at. Case in point, I can kill player's with a BK42 ACR at a range of 70-80 meter's, feathering the weapon, but most other player's shoot at ranges of 30-40 meter's, which if they feel comfortable shooting at that range, all the more power to them. Even the AR can snag a kill at 70 meter's, provided they have low armor, or rather 250 or less armor and no cover. Fact is, many gun's have the range, most player's and people shoot at shorter range's.

(Another example and an excellent one at that, is the ARR which has close to the same range as the RR, and once again, most players don't shoot at the medium distance range, but prefer to get closer to the enemy, for better sight on enemy acquisition).

So like in most video game's, most weapon range's are pretty much utility, their there, but most people choose not to use it, mostly because the gun-games meta is purely centered around being in close, which makes excellent gun-game for supporting classes, such as Sniper, Mortar/Support, and Tank.

Fact is, there's just too much preventing a sniper from doing his/her job in this game and a mortar/support or tanker will be able to function equally on the battlefield, would be nice if we could tag player's on the mini-map with a sniper rifle and get recon/scan assist's, like having your target in your sights for more than 2 second's and he/she automatically becomes tagged and seen by the rest of the team.