On a more serious note, the forums have always been like that. If you don't spell out your idea/suggestion in extreme detail and look at every loose end, people will get hung up on the most unimportant thing and completely derail the thread.
It's a sad truth, and having the ability to predict thread derailment is a great asset here.

Hi, let's not forget:

* Militia Power Core
* Militia Power Core Blueprint (from militia suit BPOs)
* STD Power Core Blueprint (from STD suit BPOs)

Agreed!

I sometimes wonder why I share stuff

1) How on earth can the 81k be a point of consternation. It's a figurative number that's the same in the first and second line of the example, meant to show that the ISK burn is the same.

2) Why would the dropsuit need to cost anything, when the ISK burn has been moved to the Power Core? That's the core principle that you don't lose the suit, just fit it for the occasion without managing tons of different dropsuit types that all have the same PG/CPU.

3) There will be no refund of any ISK. Advanced and Prototype suits get refunded with Adv and Pro Powercores.

4) SKINs, could be simply purchased by ISK, still be BPO's and unlocked by the same skill as the Powercore/Dropsuit, so there would be progression and persistence in that.

5) The CoD argument is utterly trite

6) Sizes would each have it's own Power Core progression, but Logis/Assault and Basic could be all the same Powercore. Basic would be the normal, but Assault Dropsuits grant fitting bonuses so eventually, with the combat skills, would become a better Assault than Basic.

6) Balancing would then happen much more on the PG/CPU cost of Gear side, adjusted to fit faction doctrine.

Don't worry, all the reasonable people like this idea.

Agreed!

Confirm.

Rattati, could you please increase hard limit on how much items you can buy on market at once, with that Power Cores? Buying stacks of 100 was always tiresome, and now when several different suit will be the same item(S/A/P Power Core) people will fell a sleep while trying to buy 10-15k of those.

will there be APEX powercores?

What does the picture say?

What does the picture say?

lol ok. cool.

here's another question... did you reduce the fitting on APEX suits today and why?

So does the dropsuit still cost isk or not?

This is CCP Z's fanfest proposal for 'you are your dropsuit' with the skill progression removed.

1) no idea
2) they can, but not slots
3) not sure, not even sure I understand the question :)
4) yes, but not critical

By 4, I believe Aero is talking about the idea of moving the bonus of a suit to the powercore,

for instance having an Amarr Assault powercore that has the 5% laser heat reduction attached to the powercore and not the suit.

(So the bonus a suit gets is tied to a powercore)

Then you could add additional powercores such as Amarr Assault who, for example, gets +5% to ASCR RoF instead of the heat build up for example.

Basically, it would allow you to have multiple 'B-type" suit bonuses without the need to add new classes to the game.

As stated before, this proposal is good for the game insofar as it gives us improved performance or allows the devs to bring in other assets/mechanics.


Will it improve the NPE? Perhaps yes and definitely no.

It might be a little easier for peeps to wrap their heads around, but then again when you think about fitting concepts and what you need to know about the game's systems to effectively fit a dropsuit, this change will make very little difference at all.

While it flattens Dust's power curve, it will make max-cored vets on average relatively more powerful:

For those who were already running proto/officer 24/7 not much will change, other than their weak prey becoming trivially less weak.

For those vets who were running STD/ADV in pubs, this will level them up to their proto brothers a bit, and give them a net gain on newer players since vets have more PG/CPU/use it more efficiently and get more performance out of each module.

- Will it change player retention? Hopefully, but at this point the only way i can see that happening is if we get a performance improvement out of it.

Does it increase immersion/bring us closer to New Eden? No, it takes us a little farther away from New Eden. There is no BPO in EVE that allows you to build and lose ships at no cost. What are these dropsuits made out of? Woven from the wishes of RMT game designers, perhaps? So far as i can see, there is nothing about the EVE model that makes it unworkable for DUST - ISK can stand in as a proxy for the entire BPO-BPC-minerals-manufacture cycle with a net gain in immersion at no cost to DUST.

Will this change stomping? No.

Is this an attractive, aesthetic idea? Absolutely. What effect will implementing this idea pay us for the devtime invested?

Consider Dust's primary needs in order of importance: Retention, Performance, Known Bugs, Connection to New Eden, Missing/Incomplete Systems, Missing/Incomplete Content.

Which of those needs will the power core idea address? Performance and Content only, imo.

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In terms of my personal playstyle, power cores are a net gain. In terms of my investment in New Eden, magic bpo dropsuits are a net loss. In terms of the player experience in Dust, power cores are valuable if they improve performance/content.

How much, in terms of in-match frames per second, menu loading times & new assets, will implementing power cores bring to Dust?

no

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.....

Maybe your 'No.' stands on a technicality, but this current proposal is much closer to what Z proposed that what we've had, so....

No.

OK, they cost one ISK because they are mass manufactured and the power comes from the modules that are expensive. Now they are no longer BPO's. Does it change anything in the economy? No. Does it no longer violate New Eden's rule of no BPO's. Yes. Then it must be better, right?