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Devadander wrote:

Skill HAV and you will understand.

You guys are thinking this will make your suits op.
So not the case.

Maybe ratty will be nicer to suits than vehicles...

Yup, all tiers have same awesome slot count. To keep you from packing a std hav with pro mods, the pg/CPU is not forgiving.
You will fill those extra slots with pg CPU mods and be one module cooler for double the idk.

Your std will be as std as ever, your adv sure won't feel adv, and pro will still hand you your waste processing unit.

Veterans with max skills will fit well above average suits of the tier you are trying to grind as a NP.
Thus, the stdstomp is born.

I run adv 90% of the time and will just go pro 100%.
All the time.
My best gear.
In every mode.

I can afford it. A lot of them cannot.

Veterans are all for this.... I wonder why? Because it makes the game better? Because it enhances npe? More memory for other assets?

Lolno. Because they see the opportunity to fit an officer weapon on a std suit, with above adv strength.

Killing a pro with a std is currently a mark of skill.

All I'm sayin dude. You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude.

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Void Echo Helix Order 2	Posted - 2015.06.02 02:58:00 - [211] - Quote Instead of giving ISK for BPO dropsy it's why not convert them into skins? Iv been playing since closed beta and the skinweave dropsuits remind me of how long I've actually been playing. Closed Beta Vet. Founder of Helix Order. For the Federation, For Freedom, *Till all are Free*.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11	Posted - 2015.06.02 06:00:00 - [212] - Quote I have a question for you, Rattati. Is it possible to convert the current BPOs into something like a bundle depending on what type of BPO it is? Here is an example... APEX 'Tiger' Scout BPO Converted into the following Bundle: 1x Prototype Minmatar Scout Basic Suit BPO 1x Standard 'Tiger' Scout Power Core BPO - Includes prefitted standard modules 1x 'Tiger' Scout MN SKIN BPO Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.02 14:17:00 - [213] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I have a question for you, Rattati. Is it possible to convert the current BPOs into something like a bundle depending on what type of BPO it is? Here is an example... APEX 'Tiger' Scout BPO Converted into the following Bundle: 1x Prototype Minmatar Scout Basic Suit BPO 1x Standard 'Tiger' Scout Power Core BPO - Includes prefitted standard modules 1x 'Tiger' Scout MN SKIN BPO I think the apex suit either stay as they are or option 2 is the most likely one. Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1	Posted - 2015.06.02 22:17:00 - [214] - Quote Why are the advanced suits red when the basic and proto are gray/black (neutral colors?) Seems like the basic should be white, the adv gray, and the proto black. Leave colors like red/green/blue for skins please. Other than that, keep up the good work ratman. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 40	Posted - 2015.06.02 23:03:00 - [215] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Why are the advanced suits red when the basic and proto are gray/black (neutral colors?) Seems like the basic should be white, the adv gray, and the proto black. Leave colors like red/green/blue for skins please. Other than that, keep up the good work ratman. I've got to agree with this. Red is way too vibrant of a color, and it'd be easy to be spotted in most terrain. It's like being punished for using Advanced.
Thokk Nightshade Montana Militia 893	Posted - 2015.06.06 01:02:00 - [216] - Quote I have a question on the whole powercore as it regards PG/CPU. Your initial post has some CPU/PG numbers for Std/Adv/Pro. Are we going to have individual powercores for each race or is it going to be a set powercore across the board? The reason I'm asking is because when it comes to the PG/CPU fittings on the suits, a Caldari and an Amarr has WAY different fitting costs because of the slot layout. If they have the same PG/CPU powercore, one of them is invariably going to get the short end of the stick. Either Amarrs are going to be gimped in fitting their lows or Caldari are going to be gimped in fitting their highs if my thought process is correct, yes? Maybe I'm just not understanding the concept but this has been nagging at me the entire time reading this thread (and yes, I read every post). Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.06 01:06:00 - [217] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: I have a question on the whole powercore as it regards PG/CPU. Your initial post has some CPU/PG numbers for Std/Adv/Pro. Are we going to have individual powercores for each race or is it going to be a set powercore across the board? The reason I'm asking is because when it comes to the PG/CPU fittings on the suits, a Caldari and an Amarr has WAY different fitting costs because of the slot layout. If they have the same PG/CPU powercore, one of them is invariably going to get the short end of the stick. Either Amarrs are going to be gimped in fitting their lows or Caldari are going to be gimped in fitting their highs if my thought process is correct, yes? Maybe I'm just not understanding the concept but this has been nagging at me the entire time reading this thread (and yes, I read every post). The PG/CPU of suits will not be standardized, they will continue to have their own % of each. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
DJINN Jecture Templar of the Glowing Blade 403	Posted - 2015.06.06 03:10:00 - [218] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Just like to point out that since Aero's post that started all this, Rattati has been holed up in his lair of dreams cooking this up. A lot of tech evaluation has been done by him and the team. I'd even describe his mood as giddy. After all the changes I've seen in game from the beginning I am more than a little concerned when talking about overhauling suits especially when I look at how badly some well intentioned changes have been implemented. I am glad this offers many options to reduce the load on the outdated hardware but it seems more than likely this is going to break something. *-ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.06 07:59:00 - [219] - Quote DJINN Jecture wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: Just like to point out that since Aero's post that started all this, Rattati has been holed up in his lair of dreams cooking this up. A lot of tech evaluation has been done by him and the team. I'd even describe his mood as giddy. After all the changes I've seen in game from the beginning I am more than a little concerned when talking about overhauling suits especially when I look at how badly some well intentioned changes have been implemented. I am glad this offers many options to reduce the load on the outdated hardware but it seems more than likely this is going to break something. Something always breaks. Just run with it and cackle madly while revelling in the insanity. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
IAmDuncanIdaho II Nos Nothi 2	Posted - 2015.06.06 08:01:00 - [220] - Quote DJINN Jecture wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: Just like to point out that since Aero's post that started all this, Rattati has been holed up in his lair of dreams cooking this up. A lot of tech evaluation has been done by him and the team. I'd even describe his mood as giddy. After all the changes I've seen in game from the beginning I am more than a little concerned when talking about overhauling suits especially when I look at how badly some well intentioned changes have been implemented. I am glad this offers many options to reduce the load on the outdated hardware but it seems more than likely this is going to break something. I would not be surprised, but at the same time I believe taking the risk is better than not trying in the first place. With your expectation set, should we not be less upset if and when something does go wrong in the attempts to add game variety or hardware efficiency, extending the life of the game? Personally I think we need to do things that either brings players back or keeps new ones (or better, both). Let's embrace it, warts and all.

deezy dabest 2	Posted - 2015.06.07 07:05:00 - [221] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Dear Players, [img]http://puu.sh/i0Qfj/5f3d7dc537.png[/img] Discuss This is amazing. Its like a dream. You are amazing for being able to implement this, sir. Speaking of dreams, CCP Rattati wrote: My dream, which I am currently running massive calculations on, is whether I can get away with a single Power Core per Size, and use Fitting bonuses to differentiate between Assault and Logistics etc. My preliminary results lead to yes. Would this mean it is possible to add 'type-b" Fitting bonus powercores for certain roles? As a rough example, a Logistics powercore with a 'type-b' fitting bonus of having a reduced racial equipment benefit but a slight buff to the repair tool? This sort of thing was originally on the outer edges of what I would hope the idea could do, but now that it seems possible, how interested are you in this concept? What it sounds like to me is that each suit would receive a fitting bonus that would then apply to all cores. For example if the base pg/cpu of the core is 250/40 then the logi suit would get an X% bonus per skill level to bring it up to the appropriate numbers. I do feel like this is going to make ADV suits far more efficient for top tier players but only after a significant investment in the weapons used and the core skills. Just as an example the fitting optimization on your sidearm could not be the difference between being able to stack an ADV core or have to go to a proto core. It really provides a small SP sink which I feel like is much needed. I feel like the APEX suits should receive some sort of weaker power core and then receive a native fitting bonus to racial weapons instead of just making it a low / mid level core. This would help in keeping their racial identity but may be a bit out of the realm of what is possible.
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2	Posted - 2015.06.08 15:21:00 - [222] - Quote Has anyone suggested the power cores simply adding a fixed +X% CPU and +Y%PG, then relying on the frame's base CPU/PG to make the differences? Example: Prototype Light Power Core- 240% CPU 300% PG Scout A-1, 128 CPU 64PG; 308CPU, 192PG(Obviously i need to rethink the PG %, but you get the idea) Scout M-1, 163 CPU 54PG; 391CPU 162PG Scout C-1, 170 CPU, 48 PG; 408CPU 144PG Scout G-1, 135 CPU, 59 PG; 324CPU, 177 PG This way we have much less coding to do with each core, while still achieving the same results. Also this makes it much easier to fix something like the Caldari Logi having such a profound lack of CPU, because then we just buff the frame, rather than think of whether to fix the core bonuses, or to make the frame have a differing CPU/PG. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation'
Fluffy Exterminatus Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 42	Posted - 2015.06.09 12:02:00 - [223] - Quote Will starter fits have same slots but with prefitted gear? Will prefitted gear like on starter fits,apex or hellmar ako be fitted on applying their powercore? The black of proto and some apex are best skins in game. If they are for isk will they be useable all suits? If only 1 medium will logi and assault skins still be available? You are going to have to change the name Apex to bottom of the man pile(South Park) because they will be... bad FOTM Min recon starter fit oh wait no one got those CCP Rattati - Grand Dragon Wizard of the Gaylente Agenda Touched by his noodly appendage
Lenz Hong THE ANGELS CALL 27	Posted - 2015.06.11 04:21:00 - [224] - Quote This can be, by any chance, expanded to be used in Weapons, Equipment and Vehicles? Either the weapon modules using the power from the Weapons or the weapon modules forcing the Weapon to use more resources from the Dropsuit?
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.11 07:52:00 - [225] - Quote Lenz Hong wrote: This can be, by any chance, expanded to be used in Weapons, Equipment and Vehicles? Either the weapon modules using the power from the Weapons or the weapon modules forcing the Weapon to use more resources from the Dropsuit? This kind of mechanic would actually be best applied if we ever manage to implement rigs in the game. I expect it will have to wait for a port. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Racro 01 Arifistan Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 559	Posted - 2015.06.12 08:24:00 - [226] - Quote Devadander wrote: Skill HAV and you will understand. You guys are thinking this will make your suits op. So not the case. Maybe ratty will be nicer to suits than vehicles... Yup, all tiers have same awesome slot count. To keep you from packing a std hav with pro mods, the pg/CPU is not forgiving. You will fill those extra slots with pg CPU mods and be one module cooler for double the idk. Your std will be as std as ever, your adv sure won't feel adv, and pro will still hand you your waste processing unit. Veterans with max skills will fit well above average suits of the tier you are trying to grind as a NP. Thus, the stdstomp is born. I run adv 90% of the time and will just go pro 100%. All the time. My best gear. In every mode. I can afford it. A lot of them cannot. Veterans are all for this.... I wonder why? Because it makes the game better? Because it enhances npe? More memory for other assets? Lolno. Because they see the opportunity to fit an officer weapon on a std suit, with above adv strength. Killing a pro with a std is currently a mark of skill. All I'm sayin dude. You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. why would you even gimp your tank with fitting mods??? just to fit a high level turret?? std HAV fits well with either STD or ADV lvl mods. dirt cheap 120k isk fit HAV can stomp over a proto squad of infantry when fitted and piloted right. hell you can take on proto fit tanks if your good enough. the reason why tankers got ADV/PRO level hulls was SO that it was/is a viable role at all times. its expensive when compared to running infantry. but why use 1 proto fit 1mill isk tank when I could throw out 10 std fits that can stomp a proto squad. IF I really want I could use the proto fit. but hey. the std fit I run is preety neat and a pain to remove. there should be no reason any tank should be gimping itself with fitting modules....UNLESS you want to fit higher tiered mods. vet's are all for tiericide because it allows the STD/ADV suits to fight more on par with proto gear and OPENS UP ALOT MORE options for std and adv suits than they have now.. WHY the ** would you put an officer weapon on a std/adv suit anyway. honestly why? Elite Gallenten Soldier**
bear90211 Nyain San 233	Posted - 2015.06.12 23:59:00 - [227] - Quote Probably not going to get a reply at all to this, and it was probably already thought of, but have only 12 total 'suit frames' they are completely barren par say and only have a Core slot,but when that slot is fitted it makes the suit frame have the preset amount of slots for the level of core, so there is one frame a race per size (Light, Medium, Heavy) so 12 frames that have no fitting cost that are preset BPO. Figuring in the cores, would you even want to keep Militia? I am thinking that STD should be instantly available instead of just MLT to reduce the extra say hundred and twenty items. So, also figuring that your remove AURUM bought suits (CORES) you would only have 3 cores a role, or 24 (LIGHT) 36 (MEDIUM) 36 (HEAVY) making a vastly reduced list of only 96 cores, and 12 frames, but those frames are free. Tallying in AURUM figuring that there is only one type of aurum bought core at the ADV/PRO level for role specific cores, that would make 32 (LIGHT), 52 (MEDIUM), 52 (HEAVY) making 136 cores and 12 frames. both of these numbers are higher than what you want, but that seems like a good solution for all the number crunching. I realize that BPOs will become SKINS eventually, but say APEX suits are unique and require a CORE slot specific to themselves, and to save room on your PS3 the two would have to share the same color scheme and name, only adding 16. NEXT is the case of OFFICER suits, these are also unique but should remain as a 'suit' or frame par say because people can't just buy them from the market place by pressing X and holding their joystick right. so really AURUM and MILITIA causes a problem, APEX should be combined between the AUR/LP versions, and OFFICER suits should remain as suits. hence the 'modified' in their name. 108 Cores. 12 BPO frames. and X amount of Officer Frames. This also calls for the entire elimination of MLT and switching MLT BPO's to basic BPO's over time, or an AURUM reimbursement of the MLT BPO's and the creation of basic BPO's in their place, this applies to ALL suits, weapons, modules and equipment. My sig is suuper old.. now i rip faces with my HMG. looking for logies yo.btw #tacos
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.06.13 00:25:00 - [228] - Quote bear90211 wrote: I'm not reading this crap. Until you FORMAT IT CORRECTLY! WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Zan Azikuchi G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 76	Posted - 2015.06.13 01:49:00 - [229] - Quote Can vehicles and weapon's follow this same path? Could make weapon customisation a thing. (I know this was probably asked already, but I wanted to ask the CCP DEV's this as well). When there is light, shadow's lurk and fear reign's... Yet by the blade of knight's, mankind, was given hope.
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 791	Posted - 2015.06.13 02:33:00 - [230] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Dear Players, [img]http://puu.sh/i0Qfj/5f3d7dc537.png[/img] Discuss More colors plz.

Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 385	Posted - 2015.06.17 21:14:00 - [231] - Quote Question to Mr rattati... Has anyone worked out exactly how much memory this (the power cores idea) would save and what could be done with said free memory afterwards? If you are going to put the effort in might as well have an idea what the benefits will be from a technical standpoint. Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)


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