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Imp Smash
Molon Labe. RUST415
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Posted - 2015.05.13 00:56:00 -
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
18991
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Posted - 2015.05.13 02:18:00 -
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Quick question..... I'm trying to Sentinel-ize..... or whatever you call it but I have real trouble with the lack of mobility and range on the weapons (to a certain extent including the AHMG which is easily my favourite.
Any tips for how to use a Sentinel properly. I normally love being a mid-long range support gunner and Anti-vehicle player in other FPS but in Dust I loathe the HMG aesthetic....
"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die."
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
1408
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Posted - 2015.05.13 02:29:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Quick question..... I'm trying to Sentinel-ize..... or whatever you call it but I have real trouble with the lack of mobility and range on the weapons (to a certain extent including the AHMG which is easily my favourite.
Any tips for how to use a Sentinel properly. I normally love being a mid-long range support gunner and Anti-vehicle player in other FPS but in Dust I loathe the HMG aesthetic....
I believe that point defense is the way to go with most sentinels. I'm going to assume because of your corp that you will be going Amarr Sentinel. Best run with a logi and do the fat man shuffle (strafe side to side) in fire fights.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
3104
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Posted - 2015.05.13 02:46:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Quick question..... I'm trying to Sentinel-ize..... or whatever you call it but I have real trouble with the lack of mobility and range on the weapons (to a certain extent including the AHMG which is easily my favourite.
Any tips for how to use a Sentinel properly. I normally love being a mid-long range support gunner and Anti-vehicle player in other FPS but in Dust I loathe the HMG aesthetic....
Get good with a forge gun if you want to range. HMG's are quite good but at shorter ranges. You will learn to love bolt pistol / breach scrambler pistol / flaylock.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
18994
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Posted - 2015.05.13 03:05:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:True Adamance wrote:Quick question..... I'm trying to Sentinel-ize..... or whatever you call it but I have real trouble with the lack of mobility and range on the weapons (to a certain extent including the AHMG which is easily my favourite.
Any tips for how to use a Sentinel properly. I normally love being a mid-long range support gunner and Anti-vehicle player in other FPS but in Dust I loathe the HMG aesthetic.... Get good with a forge gun if you want to range. HMG's are quite good but at shorter ranges. You will learn to love bolt pistol / breach scrambler pistol / flaylock.
I appreciate the advice Mina but that's not a particularly an interesting play style more me. Are there no option for a medium range suppression player?
"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die."
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Jonny D Buelle
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Posted - 2015.05.13 03:09:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:True Adamance wrote:Quick question..... I'm trying to Sentinel-ize..... or whatever you call it but I have real trouble with the lack of mobility and range on the weapons (to a certain extent including the AHMG which is easily my favourite.
Any tips for how to use a Sentinel properly. I normally love being a mid-long range support gunner and Anti-vehicle player in other FPS but in Dust I loathe the HMG aesthetic.... Get good with a forge gun if you want to range. HMG's are quite good but at shorter ranges. You will learn to love bolt pistol / breach scrambler pistol / flaylock. I appreciate the advice Mina but that's not a particularly an interesting play style more me. Are there no option for a medium range suppression player?
Well there's the AHMG or Rifle Sentinel.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
8703
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Posted - 2015.05.13 03:11:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:True Adamance wrote:Quick question..... I'm trying to Sentinel-ize..... or whatever you call it but I have real trouble with the lack of mobility and range on the weapons (to a certain extent including the AHMG which is easily my favourite.
Any tips for how to use a Sentinel properly. I normally love being a mid-long range support gunner and Anti-vehicle player in other FPS but in Dust I loathe the HMG aesthetic.... Get good with a forge gun if you want to range. HMG's are quite good but at shorter ranges. You will learn to love bolt pistol / breach scrambler pistol / flaylock. I appreciate the advice Mina but that's not a particularly an interesting play style more me. Are there no option for a medium range suppression player? Not really. There's no other heavy weapons. You can stick a scram or laser on but people get all sorts of butthurt about sentinels with light weaps.
all we have is wang range and extreme range. Nothing in between.
There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
18994
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Posted - 2015.05.13 03:12:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:True Adamance wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:True Adamance wrote:Quick question..... I'm trying to Sentinel-ize..... or whatever you call it but I have real trouble with the lack of mobility and range on the weapons (to a certain extent including the AHMG which is easily my favourite.
Any tips for how to use a Sentinel properly. I normally love being a mid-long range support gunner and Anti-vehicle player in other FPS but in Dust I loathe the HMG aesthetic.... Get good with a forge gun if you want to range. HMG's are quite good but at shorter ranges. You will learn to love bolt pistol / breach scrambler pistol / flaylock. I appreciate the advice Mina but that's not a particularly an interesting play style more me. Are there no option for a medium range suppression player? Not really. There's no other heavy weapons. You can stick a scram or laser on but people get all sorts of butthurt about sentinels with light weaps. all we have is wang range and extreme range. Nothing in between.
Blegh.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die."
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VAHZZ
2053
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Posted - 2015.05.13 03:22:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Quick question..... I'm trying to Sentinel-ize..... or whatever you call it but I have real trouble with the lack of mobility and range on the weapons (to a certain extent including the AHMG which is easily my favourite.
Any tips for how to use a Sentinel properly. I normally love being a mid-long range support gunner and Anti-vehicle player in other FPS but in Dust I loathe the HMG aesthetic....
Make lol fits.
Mass Driver on Sentinels, even the Amarr Sent, can cause some scary supression.
The Lazer can keep you out of most assault ranges, so you can take less damage.
Make it a more hulking assault.
Really the Sentinel can use any weapon to some extent of auccess. Despite the HMG being it's only heavy weapon (besides forge) it isn't bonded to it strictly.
I use the Amarr Sentinel, until i spec back into my beloved Scout. I use 2/2 armor/reps. The Amarr suits are very close to the Gallente, in regards to armor that is. It is still the OG. And i only use the AHMG if I have to. It is deadly, but other stuff can be more fun. So really, have fun with the fits. Be creative.
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J0LLY R0G3R
And the ButtPirates
2939
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Posted - 2015.05.13 03:28:00 -
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Tosses Remote
The ButtPirates Now Accepting Applications. XD
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
1409
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Posted - 2015.05.13 03:41:00 -
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J0LLY R0G3R wrote:Tosses Remote
Shoots full of bullets before he detonates, backs up and fluxes remote.
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe. RUST415
837
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Posted - 2015.05.13 05:37:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:True Adamance wrote:Quick question..... I'm trying to Sentinel-ize..... or whatever you call it but I have real trouble with the lack of mobility and range on the weapons (to a certain extent including the AHMG which is easily my favourite.
Any tips for how to use a Sentinel properly. I normally love being a mid-long range support gunner and Anti-vehicle player in other FPS but in Dust I loathe the HMG aesthetic.... Get good with a forge gun if you want to range. HMG's are quite good but at shorter ranges. You will learn to love bolt pistol / breach scrambler pistol / flaylock. I appreciate the advice Mina but that's not a particularly an interesting play style more me. Are there no option for a medium range suppression player?
Another option is to make a flank and gank heavy. If you want to avoid light weapons, which you really don't have to do, try a MinSent with some Kinkat love. You can move shockingly fast and can flank groups, drop a guy or two with a burst HMG (hardest to use, but most rewarding once you learn it) and get the hell outta dodge. It isn't the same as long range suppression, but often has a similar effect of keeping groups of people from changing locations easily. |
Fristname Family name
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
138
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Posted - 2015.05.13 06:02:00 -
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J0LLY R0G3R wrote:Tosses Remote quick scopes the RE with a thales while jumping out of the MCC in my GK0 doing a 900 spin reload cancel double tap melee launch orbital strike on a RVD no scope quick scope trick shot,
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Fristname Family name
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
138
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Posted - 2015.05.13 06:04:00 -
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Everyone ive stated using min heavy... its good.. if you like mobility its good pick.. someone mentioned the heavy 'shotgun' fit (burst hmg) it works pretty well i gotta try it alot more tho i like it so far
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides Learning Alliance
6529
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Posted - 2015.05.13 12:42:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Quick question..... I'm trying to Sentinel-ize..... or whatever you call it but I have real trouble with the lack of mobility and range on the weapons (to a certain extent including the AHMG which is easily my favourite.
Any tips for how to use a Sentinel properly. I normally love being a mid-long range support gunner and Anti-vehicle player in other FPS but in Dust I loathe the HMG aesthetic.... First I am just going to go out on a limb here and assume you are using the Amarr Sentinel.
1) I always enjoyed putting a Kin Cat or two on my Amarr Sent. Makes it a little less slow. (I liked a Rep, a Plate, and 1 or 2 Kin Kats depending on the level of the suit.)
2) Keep pressuring Rattati for a placeholder Heavy Laser. If we get it, and it works good, maybe we can argue for one little bitty art asset. If not, we would get the new art asset for any placeholders when we move to a new platform (probably in the next 18 months).
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides Learning Alliance
6530
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Posted - 2015.05.13 13:51:00 -
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Here is someone bringing up CCP Z's idea about not allowing Sentinels to hack.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
3104
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Posted - 2015.05.13 14:15:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Here is someone bringing up CCP Z's idea about not allowing Sentinels to hack.
Disgusting. Sents should be able to.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
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Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
446
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Posted - 2015.05.13 15:22:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Here is someone bringing up CCP Z's idea about not allowing Sentinels to hack. Disgusting. Sents should be able to. I see that post turned your blood into vinegar
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Megaman Trigger
Ready to Play
329
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Posted - 2015.05.13 15:50:00 -
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All suit classes should be able to do two things without restriction; kill and hack. Denying Sentinels the ability to hack, so they become defence only, would be like denying Scouts the ability to kill so they become recon only.
Purifier. First Class.
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
1412
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Posted - 2015.05.13 16:22:00 -
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I hate that idea. It takes away WP gain and (IMO) makes our job as point defence harder.
Let's say they hack the objective, my squads kills them but I'm the last one standing. Well I wouldn't be able to do sh*t until my squad gets there. And if there isn't an uplink or CRU nearby...
Point is Sentinels need to be able to hack.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
8713
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Posted - 2015.05.13 16:31:00 -
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Meh, I think the current meta of "point defense" is idiotic. It's not point defense, it's camping.
There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
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Posted - 2015.05.13 16:35:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Meh, I think the current meta of "point defense" is idiotic. It's not point defense, it's camping.
Its actually a very legitimate strategy. You wouldn't want to leave it defenseless and let the other team capture it and win it. Sentinels are best at this because of our high eHP and the ability to use the HMG.
Camping would be sitting by an enemy uplink, going into their spawn or sitting by a CRU they have.
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Megaman Trigger
Ready to Play
330
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Posted - 2015.05.13 16:40:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Meh, I think the current meta of "point defense" is idiotic. It's not point defense, it's camping. Its actually a very legitimate strategy. You wouldn't want to leave it defenseless and let the other team capture it and win it. Sentinels are best at this because of our high eHP and the ability to use the HMG. Camping would be sitting by an enemy uplink, going into their spawn or sitting by a CRU they have.
Camping, in general, means staying in one place and waiting. So camping an objective is possible.
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
1412
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Posted - 2015.05.13 16:44:00 -
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Megaman Trigger wrote:Jonny D Buelle wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Meh, I think the current meta of "point defense" is idiotic. It's not point defense, it's camping. Its actually a very legitimate strategy. You wouldn't want to leave it defenseless and let the other team capture it and win it. Sentinels are best at this because of our high eHP and the ability to use the HMG. Camping would be sitting by an enemy uplink, going into their spawn or sitting by a CRU they have. Camping, in general, means staying in one place and waiting. So camping an objective is possible.
I do agree it is possible but I wouldn't call it camping when defending an objective. It is a legitimate strategy where as camping is generally used to greif players or to pad stats.
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Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
446
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Posted - 2015.05.13 16:54:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Meh, I think the current meta of "point defense" is idiotic. It's not point defense, it's camping. It's why I want a medium range heavy weapon, I want to move around the objective and hunt people from different spots. But not go too far from the objective of course else I wouldn't be doing my job properly. Heck I'd be satisfied with a weapon that just scares them away
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Megaman Trigger
Ready to Play
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Posted - 2015.05.13 16:56:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:Megaman Trigger wrote:Jonny D Buelle wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Meh, I think the current meta of "point defense" is idiotic. It's not point defense, it's camping. Its actually a very legitimate strategy. You wouldn't want to leave it defenseless and let the other team capture it and win it. Sentinels are best at this because of our high eHP and the ability to use the HMG. Camping would be sitting by an enemy uplink, going into their spawn or sitting by a CRU they have. Camping, in general, means staying in one place and waiting. So camping an objective is possible. I do agree it is possible but I wouldn't call it camping when defending an objective. It is a legitimate strategy where as camping is generally used to greif players or to pad stats.
Depends how it's done. Overwatching a console with a plasma cannon or sniper and waiting for a hack? I'd call that camping
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
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Posted - 2015.05.13 17:00:00 -
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Megaman Trigger wrote:Jonny D Buelle wrote:Megaman Trigger wrote:Jonny D Buelle wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Meh, I think the current meta of "point defense" is idiotic. It's not point defense, it's camping. Its actually a very legitimate strategy. You wouldn't want to leave it defenseless and let the other team capture it and win it. Sentinels are best at this because of our high eHP and the ability to use the HMG. Camping would be sitting by an enemy uplink, going into their spawn or sitting by a CRU they have. Camping, in general, means staying in one place and waiting. So camping an objective is possible. I do agree it is possible but I wouldn't call it camping when defending an objective. It is a legitimate strategy where as camping is generally used to greif players or to pad stats. Depends how it's done. Overwatching a console with a plasma cannon or sniper and waiting for a hack? I'd call that camping
Obviously, however I view point defense as staying within a 20m radius (30-40m at most depending on location of console, map, and map module) patroling within that area.
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Kaeru Nayiri
Ready to Play
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Posted - 2015.05.13 17:03:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Kaeru Nayiri wrote:I didn't mean it to be asinine or troll even !! I legitimately want to learn what creative ideas we can come up with to deal with the HMG heat build up being what it is, and see if there are other weapons that can be used in point defence. If you pair a Burst HMG with an SMG and follow the rule of thumb of switching to sidearm after 3 bursts, you will have good success.
That's pretty cool, Fox ! Good to know there is a system that is reliable you can follow.
What tier burst HMG do you use this method with? Does it make a difference like the regular HMG? (much more heat buildup at low tier)
Megaman Trigger wrote:All suit classes should be able to do two things without restriction; kill and hack. Denying Sentinels the ability to hack, so they become defence only, would be like denying Scouts the ability to kill so they become recon only. Agreed !
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Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
446
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Posted - 2015.05.13 17:08:00 -
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I have a different approach. I like to soften up my targets with the BScP then finish off with the burst/assault hmg. But this was when the AHMG just came out, I don't know if this is still valid
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Megaman Trigger
Ready to Play
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Posted - 2015.05.13 17:28:00 -
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Kaeru Nayiri wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Kaeru Nayiri wrote:I didn't mean it to be asinine or troll even !! I legitimately want to learn what creative ideas we can come up with to deal with the HMG heat build up being what it is, and see if there are other weapons that can be used in point defence. If you pair a Burst HMG with an SMG and follow the rule of thumb of switching to sidearm after 3 bursts, you will have good success. That's pretty cool, Fox ! Good to know there is a system that is reliable you can follow. What tier burst HMG do you use this method with? Does it make a difference like the regular HMG? (much more heat buildup at low tier)
3 bursts should work at advanced as well as proto; I believe 4 at advanced and 5 at Proto is your overheat point.
Would be nice to get a heat sink mod for the HMG.
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