Here are a few things worth discussing:

• Amarr and Gallente heavy weapons using place holders. What should they be, and what art assets in game now could be reskinned to act as a place holder for them?


• Is the Plasma Cannon the medium frame counter to Sentinels? Does it work well enough for them to stop crying when they canGÇÖt take us 1v1 at 10m with a rifle? Ok, some will always cry, but can we use the Plasma Cannon as a counter argument?


• If we had a mid range HMG (or Heavy Laser) would the range reduction to the normal HMG be acceptable? How much do you notice the range reduction to the HMG? Was there an effective range reduction, or did the range reduction simply reduce the range on paper to what the actual range due to dispersion actually was?

I would like to see it do Vehicle Damage as well. I would like to see it be a viable way to strip the Shields off a tank so you can follow up with AV grenades.

I would think it would require a lot of time on target, so viable if a Tank got stuck, or on a vehicle in the open if you are able to keep the beam on it long enough. I was thinking it would primarily be an anti Infantry weapon, but with some AV capability, just as the Forge Gun is an AV weapon with some Anti Infantry capability.


What I would really like is to have the heat buildup on the target rather than the weapon, so that you could set the damage to build to AV levels after 2 seconds on target. Since any weapon can kill Infantry in 2 seconds on target this would not be OP. However, that would require the addition of a new mechanic to the game (debuffs), so it probably can't happen right now.

Hit detection seem off against shields, again, when shooting at faster strafing suits. Might just be me.

Eh now that this is the third one the novelty is wearing off.

And CURSE YOU SENTINELS AND YOUR FORGEGUNS!

No it's not, mine's the Forge Gun. Besides, I was talking about the hit detection with the HMG.

I'd rather use a Bolt Pistol than a Scrambler Pistol anyway.

I don't know how I feel about this place...

My knife hands are getting twitchy.

BASTION
1
: a projecting part of a fortification
2
: a fortified area or position
3
: stronghold

: a place or system in which something (such as an old-fashioned idea) continues to survive


I think that is what he is going for. Being as us Sentinels are more like a fortified fortress than any other class, we can take the most damage and hulk through the marshes so to speak

Which is why I'm beast mode at point defense. I've never lost a point.

Ion Disruptor! ION DISRUPTOR!

*watches people run through the container, follows them over to it* hmmm this looks easy enough *walks into it cant get in taps jump once stilll cant get up* hmmmm wanna play it like this then *gets run up and jumps nothing changes* are you serious right now its like inside the ground..... *spams jump like hell and after many failed attempts fires a round from a hmg at the box* fine ill just go around *KAPOW, KAPOW* WTF?!?!? *spins around, KAPOW!* *Dies to a shotgun scout and sees the scout run stright into the container without a jump to get in* ARE YOU DAMM SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!




the marvelous misadventures of the heavy

Base type of Forge (Forge Gun, 9k330, kaalakiota and Gastun's) should have higher damage than the AFG. AFG should be high ROF but lower damage than base while BFG is correct with slow fire, high damage.

*cough*Gunnlogi*cough*

But yeah, BFG is a pain to use. It's great if you're hidden or above a HAV, and takes out most Dropships in 2 shots.

I love seeing an ADS panic when I hit the engine.

Anyone else feel like we're getting the short end of the stick lately?

Also, when can we trade "Black Eagle" Assault Rifles? I have a bunch I need to move to this character.

RE nerf and AHMG buff, what do you say my dear fatties

I created a chat channel called Ze Bastion.

There was already a channel called GÇ£The BastionGÇ¥ which was created by EVE characters. The description you see EVE side indicates that The Bastion is a Bar n Grill, and the channel has no password, so we could probably crash that channel and make it our own if you wanted.

The big difference is that my EVE character has moderator privileges on Ze Bastion, while The Bastion channel belongs to someone else.

There was no one else in The Bastion channel before Downtime, but there might be EVE players in there at Prime Time, or the channel may be old and abandoned.

Which channel do you think we should use?

I guy. I have a question on running heavies. I have ran the Amarr sentinel for just about as long as I have been playing. I recently skilled into the Amarr Commando Heavy and would just like to know on basic on what to run and how to play. Any advice will be accepted and appreciated. Currently I am level 1 in SL, BP. 3 in RR, LR, AR, Shields. 4 in Core Upgrades, Engineering, Electronics. 5 in Armor Plates.

Ok I'm here.

I am THE sentinel.

All sentinels to 5.

I use all of the suits.

I can tell you the strengths and weaknesses to each and how to make each one badass if you are unaware of the unholy secrets of our order.

I am also an avowed hater of the previous sentinel meta and will challenge anyone when they proclaim the days of the sentinel instablap were good.

I do not expect you to agree with me. But if you want me to respect your opinions, use facts when you provide evidence, and if you use an opinion as justification, please do everyone the courtesy of proclaiming it as an opinion. I like debate. I like argument.

More important I like INTELLIGENT arguments. A battle of wits with the unarmed leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

So let's play a game ala Jeff Foxworthy: Are you smarter than the barbershop?

Climax of an anime my ass. Fox told me you bastards hid the donuts in here.

Begin handing them over or I demonstrate proper CQC forge gunnery and bolt pistol horror upon all who deny me my pastry goodness.

I have another for you. It's cooking right now. Just reach into the forge gun barrel to claim your prize.

Must be basic if it leaves the head intact.

You ate my donut, you also left your locker fridge open. I was able to pry it open with these nova knives. I'll be taking the prime honey hams.

Thanks for the welcome gift!

I used to run around in an Amarr Mlt heavy with Mlt Shotgun quite often. It was really fun and not as terrible as I first thought it would be.

I should do that again.

Claims to be head honcho of heavies.

Uses nova knives.

Double kincats. Three sidearm damage mods or three LEX mods.

Minsent.

His name is "Tiny."

I challenge you to introduce him to as many people as you can. Tiny also loves shotguns. He also believes in skipping weapon use, stacking three myofibs, running up and punching scouts in the face.

Disgusting. Sents should be able to.

Meh, I think the current meta of "point defense" is idiotic. It's not point defense, it's camping.

What I wouldn't give for a twin-linked rail, low rof, mid range, low-ish dps, accurate heavy anti-infantry weapon.

Target reticule could be like ( o o ), with the smaller circles representing each rail, give it say 225 dps per 'rail' and an incredibly large magazine size. Would be able to apply low amounts of damage at long range, but better damage at shorter ranges.

Yes let's encourage the stupidest tactical behavior possible Fox.

Crouching in combat when you're likely to be in a firefight sh*tshow is right up there with the breach forge immobilize for stupid mechanics.

Doesn't mean we should be immobilized, as in cannot move, to shoot when no other weapon/class has to suffer that.

Probably the reason the BFG is underused

Let's summarize the factors involved in using a heavy real fast.

1. Larger hitbox. Larger critical hit box
2. Slower
3. Anti Infantry heavy weapons are close range
4. More HP
5. Fewer Highs and lows for less customization
6. Heavy weapons
7. No equipment
8. Weak passive scanning

So, the question is where are heavies weakest? We all know the answer is out in the field. Away from CQC and cover. But let's use some history as opposed to theorycrafting. Heavies with light weapons.

Plenty of heavies used RRs for a long while. Why? Because of range. Why use a heavy suit? Because more HP means a heavy could take another assault in a head to head fight across open ground. Due to heavies having more HP this will not change. This marginalized assault suit's role. They could move from objective to objective more easily, but once heavies got there the assault suit was at a significant disadvantage in all areas. Heavies had HMGs for close, and rifles for range.

But dedicated heavies WANT to use heavy weapons. When did all the casual heavies switch to the HMG? When the HMG got a dispersion change. It made the HMG lower DPS, but much easier to use in CQC.

And that right there is the rub. We can use light weapons too. Range is an underappreciated factor in this game. We all know it is important, but how likely you are to win a gun fight is more about range and your gun than most people realize. I would even go so far to say that it was more than half of the fight right there.

Considering that range is probably the single largest factor in any engagement in Dust, heavies can be said to have the single largest disadvantage. We have the most trouble controlling range. We are slower than everyone else. If other suits don't like the range they can change it at will (relative to us.)

Also, relatively speaking, the HMG is strait up bad now. It won't function even marginally better in the hands of a skilled player than of a mediocre player. The skill ceiling is gone.

But it still functions well no matter who is using it. And since we have to stay in CQC when using heavy weapons (Forge doesn't count as it's an AV gun -- despite the fact that I find it more effective than the HMG at killing infantry now) we will stay where we know enemies will be coming and will be in CQC. Around the point.

So that begs the question: how do we get more options. And the answer is that we have them. Light weapons. So how can we get more options with heavy weapons? And the answer is that we can't if we get Heavy weapons that function like current HWs. If we get new long ranged effective HWs that directly apply damage like our current ones -- then assault and commando roles will be marginalized. Pointless even.

Conclusion: If we want to give heavies roles in every area of the map (which translates to every range) we need to develop different weapon mechanics. Make the heavy weapons significantly better than light at those niches, and significantly worse outside of those niches.

I have ideas on what we need for that. But before going into any differing heavy weapon types -- we should discuss the state of the suit itself.

And I will kick it off with this statement and question:

I think heavies are too mobile. Not movement speed wise...transport options. I don't think we should be able to spawn in in 3 seconds on uplinks. We shouldn't be able to drive or gun in vehicles. What do you guys think about that?

Random thought: What if the Forge had a 2 tier charge, like the Charge Snipe? Half charge for half damage, which be good for close range defensive fire (ie. An Assault comes on your flank) or getting that last shot on a HAV before it ducks behind cover and full charge for full damage.

If this falls off page 1 you all fail at life and fatness.

We should be holding discussions and seeing post activity like the barber shop, but there doesn't seem to be much of a sentinel community forming.

On the note of discussion; how do my fellow fatties deal with Myrofibril-stacked Assaults? MinAss can 3 shot a 1200hp fit and the HMG doesn't seem to cut it vs fast, shield-based targets. So how do you deal without going the Myrofibril route yourself?

I tend to prefer a Complex Energizer over an Extender if I can fit it.

Amarr has a lot of stamina, so you probably don't need the card regs.

I find that 1 Armour Plate makes a big difference on the Amarr Sent for some reason. I think it is just enough to keep you from getting one shotted by a number of things, such as Charged Sniper head shots and such. The Kin Cat mostly makes up for the movement penalty.

On my Amarr Speed fits I like to have my Shields and Armour repair at about the same rate if possible.

I would go with:
Lows: Complex Rep, Standard Plate (upgrade if you have fitting capacity), Complex Kin Cat, and then your choice of a second Rep or a second Kin Cat.
High: Complex Energizer, or that BPO Damage mod if you use your sidearm a lot.


That being said, your fit is not bad.

But not nearly as fun as a suicide minsent with two kincats and three damage mods and a proto forge gun of choice.

working on finishing my min sentinel atm then getting cal.. but i would rather run min then the amarr cause then i can also stack a few blues on there and but even more stupid :D
also the min Sentinel has better stamina and stamina recovery i believe.

if anyone is online after downtime ill show you how much i care about my kdr XD also we can have some fun :P but i wont be on comms. not really in the mood for talking to randoms.

I have that fit!

I play that fit!
You are absolutely right. That is a Fun Fit!
I am still a bit noobish with the Forge Gun though.

Question for you Sentinels: is stacking Armour Plates on an Amarr Sentinel worth the loss in strafe speed? Is strafing as important for Sentinels as it is for other classes?

I'm considering making a Sentinel alt...

Rep or ReactiveGǪ that's what I would add to my Gal scoutGǪ try it on your Sent. Though If you put a Complex Damp on that monster it would be 38.25 Profile (i thinkGǪ doing the maths from memory) that would put you under most suits out thereGǪ Stealth HeavyGǪ bwahahaa. Logi (with no Precision Amps) and Assaults would not be able to see you on TacGǪ Round the corner and BAM
Wow I am now tempted to try this

Have not seen many posts from Rattati since the middle of last week. It makes me think he might be working on someting.

and he STILL lost his officer suit/weapons, because forge gun impacts terminate clones INSTANTLY.

Love it when the KDR sissies and the L337 Gungame nerds get pissy and b*tch out the instant someone plugs them once.

Take me off the list please, getting a respec Monday and fully going Scout. I am snapping into a Slim Jim, the fatty life is not for me, i want to run freely and not sweat bacon grease. The cake will not set me free, it will give me a heartattack.

I just wanted to say "I told you so!"

So I made a Sentinel alt and tested running Heavy with a Logi stuck up my buttcrack.

It's sooooooooo boring.

I wouldn't say that the logi leash is only for KDR padders. It's effective for breaching or defending a room.

I do agree that it's more fun not to have the leash, although I do feel better knowing there's a Logi who can rep me if needed.

I actually need the Logi more while moving, since my Cal Sent lacks any real armour rep.

I think the assault hmg is like the breach ar.. its all about preference. I personally find them better for different engagements/maps but again all about what you like.
Although there are alot more assault hmgs than before.. i used to be the only one U.U Dammm buff bringing more people I WAS INTO IT BEFORE IT WAS COOL!

I personally just like to run whats least used in the game... breach flaylock <3

Real speed sentinels pack knova knives.

Caldari heavy here!

Sign me up

I decided that a sprinting, high jumping, pugilist with an Assault HMG was not ridiculous enough... so I added a Bolt Pistol to the fit.

I dont just say things outta my arse. I'm better then all of them due to the fact I crushed them all. I also mean Forging and using any variant HMG. Bruh since Day I've been rocking my heavy sooooooo...

SoTa, You suck. A number have people can comfirm this. Your only cool cuz you watch anime n u have a cool name.

Fools! Everyone knows that I am the Greatest heavy!

Fools! I will take you both on in a militia frame VS Proto!

Fools! (Soul Eater) Having that as your Theme Song is like having super man on your zombie team, it is cheating!

obvious troll is obvious much?

Respect?

Most of the community thinks I'm an a**hole!

The perfect bacon to egg ration for a toasted bacon and fried egg samdwich?

So I dropped over 1 Mil SP into the Amarr Sentinel and HMG.

It sucks.

I was running the Aurum Proto variants I had collected from salvage, but it feels like I lose 1344 Armour on my Sentinel faster than I lose 343 Shield on my Scout.

Gallente Research Facility aka Lag Facility?

I prefer to take a SMG or BP, for shields I lead with a Flux.

I still use it and will continue to do so.

Bet you're conflicted over the HMG and Locus Grenades, both being Min.

Guess that's the problem with trying to be an Amarr loyalist and and Sentinel; you don't have the Heavy Weapons available.

I'm a merc, I'll use whatever I think works best. Loyalty be damned, I'm a Sentinel first and foremost.

The day I get the Sentinel equivalent of a Buster, or the Dust equivalent of an SG1 Staff Cannon, everything dies.

I should've specced fully into Sent :| now the GalAss is gonna be OP. I don't want to be OP.

need a few games were I know I am playing well, and I am against a reasonably competent team, to really get a feel for it.

Scrambler Lance?
Plasma Mortar?
???

The Cal Heavy will always be the Michelin Man in my eyes <3