and everyone is complaining about jumping. could you see everyone running around doing the Syndicate slide? lol

this.

@ OP ...........................not sure if srs........

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24590&find=unread

Discussions of Sliding, since this section doesn't get as much attention for some reason

and everyone is complaining about jumping. could you see everyone running around doing the Syndicate slide? lol

I actually like it pretty much. Will keep an eye on this :)

Movement style like brink to a lesser extant of course. Jumping over barricades should be a fluid motion while sprinting , and looking up a on a object thats taller than you while pressing the jump button should make you climb it . Scout dropsuit would get more use out of these while a heavy cant and onlu . Of course this should be balanced so it wont be over used... I dont think it should be a main mechanic of the game like in brink , but something the can help enhance the game

Here is a GDC video of it , but you have to be a member to see it.

A slide http://gdcvault.com/play/1015930/Vault-Slide-Mantle-Building-Brink


http://www.splashdamage.com/publications#brink_smart

And a gameplay video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT0vOEjF-ig

Crysis 2 had a good slide IMO...maybe a bit too long.
Here we use suits as well so that is the closes example I can give.

I love it when Devs pop in and say something as sweet as this :P

no sliding, no cover, just lower crouch.

Now, I personally am against a "cover system" in Dust 514.

Although, sliding (like seen in A Future Vision Trailer) would have helped me in multiple situations earlier today.

This would vary with dropsuit, scouts having a good sliding distance and speed. Decreasing with larger suits. and pretty much impossible with heavies.

Using the crouch button while sprinting could begin the slide and would take stamina. Ending the slide you could be in crouch.

Thoughts?

wow thats crazy I been had that idea 2 weeks ago on june 22nd HERE for proof. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=152028#post152028

This is what i said


#1 Posted: 2012.06.22 20:22
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It would be a good ideal to have evasive maneuvers in the game like jumping over fences like in BF3,For the 3 main classes they each get a different maneuver.

Enforcer GÇô Assault
For Enforcer class they can slide like in the dust 514 trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRyXDlZKwgA at exactly 1:13 the merc guy slides for cover.

Arbiter GÇô Scout
For Arbiter they can roll over when close combat goes to them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mBa0_19XqY at exactly 2:04 the heavy trooper rolls over for incoming rocket.

Sentinel GÇô Heavy

And for Sentinel class they are able to hide behind pillars and walls and switch to pistol to shoot at enemies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4nw4u-KgHw at exactly 0:46 the soldier hides behind a pillar from incoming fire.
Well what do you guys think?

I would not like a slide.

Strange movements are always taken advantage of in FPS games. As someone mentioned before "bunny hop" and "Dolphin Divers"

Not to mention the other games that did have slide effects in an online FPS. In my experience slide mechanics have been very difficult to pull off, and I would be very hesitant to add it into a game as a second thought.

I really enjoy the movement in the game so far, a little bunny hop here and there, but nothing worth complaining about. I think a slide system that wasn't intended in the first place would come across very poor.

In the end, I think, a slide mechanic would just be an annoying gimmick that would lower the image of Dust 514.

I don't really know what you mean but "that would lower the image of Dust 514."
If you could please explain a bit more of that, that'd be awesome.

Dust 514 isn't just another boxing ring FPS.

This has much more to it. Those other games put in "sliding" and "cover systems" and "par coeur" to try and separate themselves from the pack.

Dust 514 has already done that. CCP doesn't need to add in a cheap gimmick to try and gain a name for themselves.

sliding seems like it would be very hard to pull off for dust while i admit id love to try it it seems a bit unreasonable especially if you like playing heavies. i mean if i was in heavy suit taking out a tank while in semi cover say somewhere are the a pillars int he skirmish matches and a scout ran up shooting at me from behind i pull around taking out secondary just to have the scout slide right under my view while shooting (if they could shoot while sliding) then getting up and melee kill or shoot me to death within no time at all because heavy turn ability too slow. seems extremely unfair to heavies in such cases.

YES, wall running, we are in sci fi suits, the scout should be able to sprint striaght up a wall, i mean, why not? make it a tech 2 feature of many drop suits.

even if it's slowler, larger suits like the assaut, could take a moment to get his boots on the wall, and then you can head up the wall slowly, could be really awesome.

Support from me, add sliding, and more movements! Like why can't I go prone! I want to get on my belly and snipe without wobble, this is the future, I should have an automatic kick stand on the gun if I drop to the ground. you become defenseless and can't see anything around you, but it's a fps standard. Also it could be fun for the heavy, if you could set up the HMS as a turret. You fire it like your manning a turret, but you cant move with it unless you pick it bak up. I think halo had something like this?

This is a very good point.

We shouldn't be able to shoot while sliding in my opinion.
Or slide under people.. that would be crazy.

The turn speed on heavies in my opinion is to slow already so maybe if they speed that up it could be a protect counter to the slide.

the fact people would run at you and slide to get a better postition to knife or use CQC weaponary is just how it'll have to be played out. Some counter to this would be great to think of but i think turn (look) speed for heavies being a bit quicker would allow for them to shoot someone that is sliding in a set path.

Prone with my 500 EHP, and that would mean i could dolphin dive, you'd never kill me..

The wall running.. ehhh, idk you can make another post requesting that for it's own feedback.

but thanks for the support on sliding.

I'm honestly curious. dolphin dive? what? I haven't heard that before.

I think that the sliding feature is a good idea. You shouldn't be allowed to shoot while sliding cause then you would have everyone sliding and shooting at each other. If you could sprint up to a wall, pillar or any other kind of cover and hit the crouch button to slide behind it to stop from getting shot at it would help out. It should definitely drain your stamina quite considerably so people can't just keep running and sliding all over the place.

It's a great tactic that people would be allowed to use especially if you have a sniper or a heavy holding down a certain area. It would allow you to sprint by them and slide into cover to dodge the shots coming from them. It would be good for someone who is trying to pick someone up to that is behind cover so they could run up and slide to them to help them out. This is the future and sliding has been a tactic used for years so why not in the future.

As for the heavies, they shouldn't be allowed to slide. You already have a big advantage having a bigger gun and the ability to put more rounds down then an assault rifle. I could see like a quick side step to get behind cover quicker but not sliding. If you run with a heavy suit then you already know you aren't going to be fast and not going to be able to slide with the extra weight.

dropping to your belly in the middle of a fire fight so your hitbox is as small as possible.

i personally think horrible idea cause of how much hitpoints we can have and adding that makes it almost impossible to kill people.

and everyone is complaining about jumping. could you see everyone running around doing the Syndicate slide? lol

yeah I'm not exactly gonna jump on the slide around wagon here...

yeah I'm not exactly gonna jump on the slide around wagon here...

Must disagree. Brink was built around movement like this, it's not really something you can tack-on to a shooter. If you added this nobody would ever choose heavy because you know you'd just get taken down from behind by some scout who jumped over the wall behind you. I played Brink and I think it only really worked in that because even the heavys were pretty quick compared to dust's heavys.

+1 as long as the slide isnt a faster way of getin around than sprinting, and as long as it doesnt have to crazy of a use in cqc cause sliding in brink was alittle crazy (not saying brink was good but still)

I've never played brink, so i wouldn't know.

But only thing i'd want it to be fast then running when trying to slide to where ever, but it'd eat a lot of your stamina causing you to be easily hit if caught in the wrong place after the slide.

I didn't like this at first but sliding would be kinda cool and give us some more options when moving into cover. I would however like to be able to lay down as well. Hold triangle while sprinting to slide. Hold triangle while standing still to lay down.

I've still yet to see a real explaination to having prone added in, i've posted many times in other threads that request it that i'm against it because of the slower gameplay that will come with it.

please use those threads for feedback or opinions on prone. there are many of them.

And by skip I mean like the heavy is hopping over a cute woodland creature while furiously clenching his butt cheeks together in an effort to hold back the impending deluge of crap that is the result of a late morning fourth meal from Taco Bell.

IMO Prone is tied into sliding since it's a movement/body stance... And could possible be tied into the same button. I'll save the Dev's some extra leg work by just combining. The point of a conversation is to cover all things that are similar...

The point of prone is for snipers to be less visible... If that is not reason enough for you put on a scout suit and grab a sniper rifle.

Tapping triangle once while standing still will put you in crouch. tapping it again will put you standing up again.
Holding triangle while crouching or standing still will put you in prone.
Tapping triangle while sprinting will cause you to slide then put you back up standing so you can continue running.
Holding triangle while sprinting will cause you to slide into a prone position.

People that are using them with a shotgun and running around will suffer from a nerf while the actual snipers would be calling for prone so they are less visible. Thus causing the suit to be utilized more for what it was meant to be used for and less for a blitz on the enemy which should be reserved for Assault.

Press triangle while NOT sprinting to toggle between standing and crouching.
Press triangle while sprinting for a short slide from which you can come up still sprinting.
Hold triangle for a longer slide that ends with you crouching.

I just wanted to add something. Why should this game only cater to the guys that want fast paced action? I want prone and to be sneaky or at least the ability to. If I'm out voted then there ya go not enough people will use Prone to slow the game down for the guys that want in your face fast paced gameplay. Seriously Sliding AND Prone should be added.

imo no prone or football sliding ..due to the fact that you really dont want to have prone snipers with cloaking devices, invisible lying down snipers O_O

Football sliding? I was thinking like a baseball player going in for home but stopping in crouch.

Does it slow the game down? It didn't in COD. It hasn't in a lot of other games. It won't in this game.

I was one of the people saying this, but I specifically mentioned that it doesn't HAVE to slow the game down.

Slowing the game down is one possible outcome (and it HAS happened in some games with a prone option). The other possible outcome is the introduction of cheap exploits of the system. Usually these result in players going prone in CQC or switching to prone in mid-air and exploiting the system to be near-invulnerable.

While it's probably technically possible, I'm yet to see (or even hear about) a single game that has neither of those problems. You also don't get BOTH problems, because the causes for them are mutually exclusive, but having either one is a negative for many games.

As for the argument that slowing the game down isn't a bad thing? For some games it may not be. But with how this game is shaping up, and with some of the already-confirmed future developments, it would DEFINITELY cause problems to slow it down as much as a slow-paced prone system would.

Back to sliding!

I'm definitely in favour of sliding. Not sure whether you should be "no shooting" or "impractical no-aim shooting" during the move, but definitely no ability to consistently hit a target while sliding. I also agree with the people saying movement speed (which is mostly influenced by your Dropsuit choice) should alter how far you can slide.

Weather could have an effect on the sliding distance. If it rains the distance could be x1,3 or something similar.

ppl complain about strafe speed and how they cant track targets but want gimmicky sliding and shootin
and ppl wonder why FPS genre is so much **** these days

Here is a thread about this thema too.

Movement ideas

and everyone is complaining about jumping. could you see everyone running around doing the Syndicate slide? lol

That's actually a cool idea, if it's muddy from rain or something make you slide further or faster.

Wonder what weather we can see in dust... i'll have to look for another thread about that.



Strafe speed is fine right now. it's hard to get assault suits for me sometimes. and people not tracking targets is their own fault.

I don't any other game that has such a feature that I'm envisioning...

its still a dumb idea
ppl complain about simple BASIC things like strafe and jumpin but u wanna add gimmicks?

and lol @ strafing is fine not sure if srs

Hey let's add dolphin diving with that slide...

slide, dolphin dive, prone drop shot...THAT'S A STUPID IDEA!

While we're on stupid ideas, I think killstreaks would be a good addition.

If they want to complain about strafing and jumping while there is a stamina bar for limited jumping oh well, it's gonna happen no matter what.

Strafing is fine, you've never had a firefight last over a min (which is long in a game like this) with an assault that was going back and forth just enough for your fire to not hit him much?


^^ great feedback example.

So far there is much support for sliding and none for prone/dropshots/dolphin dive.

Thanks.

I actually couldn't tell if you were serious...

You said you could barely shoot assault suits as it is???...but you want to add sliding for some reason? They nerfed strafing so people with ****** gun game, and no skill wouldn't cry about not being able to shoot people...but yet here you are wanting to add something that will make it harder to shoot people.

WTF do you casual gamers want? Really...

You people come in here recommending the dumbest **** ever, and the devs listen to you LOL.

Casual. LMFAO

I can barely get smart assault suits users.
I want something that allows a fun tactical game. It'd actually make it pretty easy to predict motion when they go down for a slide. it's not like you can slide and change directions in the middle of it. If anything someone without gun game could easily kill someone that trys to slide in a firefight.

I'm wanting it so you can do it out of firefights. sure some interesting things would pop up for in firefights but thats how it's gonna be for anything they ever add in.

If you can't get assault players right now, then your opinion or suggestions are void. Your skill in this game is sorry to say, lacking, so I consider to a casual gamer making suggestions about a game that requires skill to play.

What people do is instead of raising their gaming skill, they cry to nerf stuff, or add things to make the game cheap. Nerfing the strafe was good for you, but sliding away like a girl is fine? LOOOOOL

Casual gamers ftw.

Wagon, bus, clown car, truck. It doesn't matter what you call it as long as people think it is a good idea and it will work.



Plus if you think it's a bad idea and don't have a reason then why post. Where's my facepalm when I need it.

Stay out of my thread if you don't like idea, you've already expressed your opinion, now you're just trying to flame me, thanks but gtfo.

Casual. LMFAO

I can barely get smart assault suits users.
I want something that allows a fun tactical game. It'd actually make it pretty easy to predict motion when they go down for a slide. it's not like you can slide and change directions in the middle of it. If anything someone without gun game could easily kill someone that trys to slide in a firefight.

I'm wanting it so you can do it out of firefights. sure some interesting things would pop up for in firefights but thats how it's gonna be for anything they ever add in.

..........................................................................and sliding makes it tactical? dafuq


past couple threads ive seen ppl requesting sliding, one requested a fuckin motorcycle like wtf goes through ppls head when they play this game and think of ways to improve it. The standard shooting is still hit an miss, sometimes i still gotta lead shots with the hit detection supposedly fixed

Sliding would, as I see it, allow for smoother gameplay.. I often run from cover to cover (I'm tactical, so sue me) and a sliding ability would make it a lot easier to run to a cover at short to medium distance from where you are..

People talking about this being a gimmick seems ridiculous to me.. Sliding into cover is tactical movement, whether you like it or not and it would be a great addition to this already awesome game!

LOL..."tactical"... I thought strafing was tactical...but they nerfed that...so let's slide now, brilliant. I don't think people see how stupid that would be... "hey i'm getting shot, let me slide and run...slide and run...slide and run..." that sh*t's gonna be abused till people call for a nerf on a gimmick...and THAT would be the funniest part.

If you're having a hard time killing people wearing assault suits as the noob above, you really think you'll be able to kill them if they sliding now? THINK PEOPLE.

Funny how I never said anything about having problems hitting people... I don't.

And as many others have said, you should lose so much stamina (maybe even depleting it completely) so you wouldn't be able to run after sliding..

Sliding would end in a crouching pose, because it's meant to be used to get to cover, and not to just slide all over the place..

Funny how I didn't say it was you.

You can still run without using stamina...not sprint...people will still abuse it...slide and knife...slide and run...

you forget the modules in game to boost stamina? to boost melee? Would be nice seeing scouts sliding and knifing people all over the place...real tactical indeed.

Yeah well.. there's always gonna be people who take advantage of great features in a game.. that doesn't mean that the rest of us should suffer because of it. Obviously there's a lot of support for this feature and I think it would be a great addition to the game.

Sliding would, as I see it, allow for smoother gameplay.. I often run from cover to cover (I'm tactical, so sue me) and a sliding ability would make it a lot easier to run to a cover at short to medium distance from where you are..

People talking about this being a gimmick seems ridiculous to me.. Sliding into cover is tactical movement, whether you like it or not and it would be a great addition to this already awesome game!

A Gears of War style cover system WOULD be amusing, I can see people abusing such a system badly though, with some cowards blind firing from cover and never moving except to slide from cover to cover, of course I can also very easily see such a slide ending with you right on top of a remote explosive, or taking a forge round to the face with no way to dodge the blast during the animation.


I'll give sliding and cover a tenative +1 for a closer look, but as an idea to be scrapped promptly if the coding on it turns out to be a major pain in the ass for the devs.

Ugh, bunny hop. I'd love to get one of the proponents of that "tactic" on a paintball field and have them try that.

Cover system with firing around a corner or over a barrier? No, that just makes it even more impossible to kill anyone.

Sliding would be okay if done where it just slides in a single direction. no snap to cover. or cover system, this has shields to hide behind.

Easy. Just force the player to a full stop at the end of a slide. After each slide you need 1 second to stand up and start moving, your stamina is decreased by a lot and you won't be able to do it twice in a row without a high-stamina fitting.

I actually like it pretty much. Will keep an eye on this :)

please lord an all that is holy......shakes head..please no.I feel sick all the sudden.People sliding around as soon as they get shot at.180 turn arounds or people combo this maneuver with jumping.If you consider this please dont allow shooting at he same time as this animation...omg I see the abuse now.

sprint slide jumping...omg might as well just rock the Scout with an smg an knife skills maxed out. As I slide through the 3 of you after sprinting at you blasting the whole time and end the slide with a jump 180 for good measure grenade toss.....BOOM,OR on the slide past planting c4 on one of you.
I would pown all,if you allow this..I would become the hardest target to hit ever....dont allow this.

That's alot of stamina that even scout suits don't have...
even with upgrades. but i see your point, but it allows for interesting engagements and awesome counters.

and i don't know about the firing while sliding either, doesn't seem balanced if it allows you to fire while your hitbox is that small.

whoah whoah whooooooooah . Easy there cow-boys !

Sliding ? Already a bad idea imo.
Sliding AND firing ? Remember Brink ? the broken game. VERY BAD idea.

Seriously, adding a prone option seems pretty normal. but sliding ? You'll get massive shitload of new bugs, shitload of "sliders suckers" etc... and the game will end up being a fest of scout with stamina lvl 5, stamina boosters sliding all around.

PLEASE, forget about this.

I think shooting (and ONLY shooting) is reasonable while sliding.

But with MASSIVE recoil and accuracy penalties so you may as well not be shooting even when you are.

And when I say "massive" I mean "I couldn't hit the side of a tank if I was IN it" levels of accuracy.

Now, I personally am against a "cover system" in Dust 514.

Although, sliding (like seen in A Future Vision Trailer) would have helped me in multiple situations earlier today.

This would vary with dropsuit, scouts having a good sliding distance and speed. Decreasing with larger suits. and pretty much impossible with heavies.

Using the crouch button while sprinting could begin the slide and would take stamina. Ending the slide you could be in crouch.

Thoughts?

sliding is dumb
sad thing is........this thread got dev feedback smh
dust goin places

oh trust me it doesnt
last thing we need is more gimmicks
rather have some features put in that actually useful tbh than seeing requests made for features that just honestly not needed

Ok, and while we are adding sliding, add a prone position and knockdown effects from explosions, knocking a player down when a nearby explosion hits.

and everyone is complaining about jumping. could you see everyone running around doing the Syndicate slide? lol

please lord an all that is holy......shakes head..please no.I feel sick all the sudden.People sliding around as soon as they get shot at.180 turn arounds or people combo this maneuver with jumping.If you consider this please dont allow shooting at he same time as this animation...omg I see the abuse now.

sprint slide jumping...omg might as well just rock the Scout with an smg an knife skills maxed out. As I slide through the 3 of you after sprinting at you blasting the whole time and end the slide with a jump 180 for good measure grenade toss.....BOOM,OR on the slide past planting c4 on one of you.
I would pown all,if you allow this..I would become the hardest target to hit ever....dont allow this.

Suggestion that i would like to make to the Dust 514 team is trying to implement prone if possible that would be really helpful.

Here are a few ideas that I believe could improve the game:

1. Vehicle controls should be altered. I believe the driving controls should be R2 to go forward, L2 to reverse, left analog stick to steer, and the right analog stick to look around. Keep triangle to switch seats.

2. It is much too slow to switch to the sidearm. I actually wish it wasn't mapped to R2 as well. Triangle would be much better. Make the right analog stick switch stance. L2 melee and R2 grenade.

3. The reload animations are a bit too long in my opinion.

4. I think the maps should look different based on the atmosphere of the planet. Fire, Ice, Forest, Desert, Storms, Snow. You could also have ancient cities, refineries, villages, architecture of the different cultures, mines, etc. Variety is always nice and should set the maps apart.

5. All the classes should have unique weapons and abilities that help the team. Assault is useless right now.

6. Additional cosmetic variety between classes and enemies. Should be able to look at player and tell what class they are playing.

7. Aim assist and voice chat should be enabled by default.

8. Higher default looking sensitivity.

9. Camera should be farther away from character in HQ.

10. Improve textures and effects

11. Grenade indicator for friendly and enemy grenades. Make indicator different colors.

12. Hit boxes need to be adjusted.

13. Reloading while running would be great.

14. Stamina meter is a bit annoying, would prefer unlimited sprint.

15. Hold breath while sniping if not already possible.

16. More class based game play similar to battlefield but on a greater level so people work together more.

17. Engineers can build temporary structures such as gun turrets

18. Press down to open a scroll wheel to select a vehicle or structure with analog stick. Look to Star Hawk for inspiration.

19. Traditional menu would be nice with a server browser and from there you can choose to go your HQ. Would have all the features and options available when you press start. HQ feels sort of gimmicky to me since its so small.

20. Orbital drop system for spawning would be awesome. I know it is in both Section 8 and Star Hawk but it makes sense in this game since you are working for the Eve Online players.

I have a feeling this is going to be an awesome game when all is said and done. :)

No one is complaining about jumping.

Why did you post these here?

THis is for a feature not all around gameplay improvements, make another thread with all this, and i'm sure you'll get some good replies.

why not a cover system like gears of war or gost racon furure soldier ?! ?!

I could go for this, I just have a suggestion. Instead of making people fall down steep hills, let them slide down. Essentially, add the ability for slides that gain or lose speed depending on the angle of the ground.

and everyone is complaining about jumping. could you see everyone running around doing the Syndicate slide? lol

works fine in battlefield 3

sliding would be awsome as long as it uses enough stamina so that it cant be spammed

I actually like it pretty much. Will keep an eye on this :)

I didn't read all the posts but looks like a fun idea. The mental image of a heavy trying to powerslide is priceless.

anyone seen that film Paul Blart: Mall Cop? the scene where he slides across the floor like 2 feet then has to jiggle himself behind the post? thats exactly how i imagine a heavy sliding lol

Still would like.

From what corner of the forums have you digged out that? ^^

From what corner of the forums have you digged out that? ^^

I keep an extensive list of favorited threads as part of my secret angenda for the game. I bump these threads periodically to get them attention. I have 16 pages of favorites.

I support this. To an extent. Each suit should, as others have said, have their own unique dodge option with a cooldown before standing again, but I DO fear people will spam this like dropshotters in other FPS games. Need to make sure it's not easily abused.

I think if you have a long cooldown you should stop abuse or maybe base it on the stamina guage where one roll/dodge/slide uses all stamina and must recharge before further use. Since stamina governs running and jumping as well it would need to be used wisely