I don't know why, but I found the title hilarious.

@ Aeon "becuase I want 50 WP" is not a valid argument.

I would love if the eject timer we have for dropships applied to tanks and LAVs as well. Give every crew a chance to bail out.


Otherwise, what your saying makes as much sense to me as the revive mechanic being applied to suits and not vehicles. Just the nature of the game.

Then I'd like to be able to eject out of my dropsuit like a rabid super-crab and come after you, naked (with shields and armored skin), with my prototype body and gun.

It's effectively the same thing, right? Just another layer of armor/shields to hold you over until you can just bail out and go after the person who destroyed it?

And why -NOT- because I want 50 WP for busting my kitten trying to take out your super vehicle, eh? What's wrong with actually getting a kill when in any other vehicle I would have? Or does that hurt your poor pilot feelings?

Lol, easy Aeon. This isn't an anti vehicle thread

Lol, easy Aeon. This isn't an anti vehicle thread

why not make it so the pilot can't get out but all the passengers have time to get out.

Why not just have it explode like other vehicles..?

Why should they have time to bail out when they hit 0 HP instead, I dunno, when the thing is -on fire-?

Becuase they have a quick exit to the side and it would make people not want to get transport by drop ships. And drop ships have more angles they can get hit buy sense theirs no objects in the air for cover.

Since this has now descended into an anti vehicle thread, why do you get 275+ wp for destroying my incubus when I only get 50?

Should we be getting more wp for a heavy kill? What about damage points if they're getting repped?

Thicker shields/armor, hardeners, high damage weaponry, speed, the list goes on and on dude.

You've got upwards of 5000 EHP, are completely immune to 70% of the weapons in the game, loaded to bear with a weapon that can kill me in two shots... and if I somehow manage to take down your dropship that gives you all of that, you can always just bail out and go after me on foot where I will almost certainly be at a disadvantage because I'm running AV.

That is why I get 275+ WP for destroying your Dropship.

[ Or does that hurt your poor pilot feelings?

So trolling is what this is about.

If thats your point of veiw then, whatever man. Can't be botherd to mess with trolls.

Extra war points for vehicle damage was added due to tanks being OP, if we're now at a 1 player = 1 player situation why should the AV player be getting more WP for the same action?

With the instant exploding proposal will the additional WP will be removed then? Since people can't bail out

I wasn't aware you were CCP's statistical analyst.

Pot calling the kettle black, there

Every thread can be an anti-vehicle thread if you try hard enough!

I find it mildly entertaining that so far no. Pilot has justified a refusal to Aeon's request beyond "KD doesn't matter", "I lose the ISK anyways", "I usually die either way" or "I earned it isn't a valid reason".

Sadly none of the the formers are actual arguments and the latter is contradictory.

I find it mildly entertaining that so far no. Pilot has justified a refusal to Aeon's request beyond "KD doesn't matter", "I lose the ISK anyways", "I usually die either way" or "I earned it isn't a valid reason".

Sadly none of the the formers are actual arguments and the latter is contradictory.

Hull.

We need vehicles to have hull like clones have a third 'health' for their bleed-out timers. Deal 200 damage (I think it's 200) past 0 armour? The vehicle explodes. Otherwise, the vehicle is on fire and takes 3-5 seconds to explode, giving people time to baiil if you don't push to fully destroy the vehicle

Not at all. Reading your reactions to people who are trying to discuss the merits of of your idea. Juno said he was divided on it, but instead of talking about the pros and cons , you are reacting scarcastically.

Pilot reactions are ranging from disagreement to intrigue. Nobody's calling you names, or talking about "AV feelings". You are the only one being sarcastic here. Given your Planetary Services initiative, i can tell you can put together a reasoned argument when you want.

Since you are deliberatly not, and resorting to being personal and accusatory, in this instance you are either way off your game, or just trying to incite a pilot reaction.

You want to discuss the pros and cons, i'll bite. There plenty of ways where we can talk about nailing dropships where they can explode instantly. But if you want to have it your way or the highway, then its not worth dealing with.

I find it mildly entertaining that so far no. Pilot has justified a refusal to Aeon's request beyond "KD doesn't matter", "I lose the ISK anyways", "I usually die either way" or "I earned it isn't a valid reason".

Sadly none of the the formers are actual arguments and the latter is contradictory.

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Let's get back to the real discussion here instead of the tw*ts who think they have piloted a dropship butting in.
I see your concern about the DS not exploding on 0/0 heath. You have a good argument based off of the other vehicles in game and as a pilot I would like to meet your idea somewhere in the middle.
Many times when my DS is going down I get suicided as the wreckage slams into my body. My proposal, that was rudely buried in the elitist "pilots" posts is that I still have a chance to get out, but if my DS kills me on the way down, you get the points for it.
That would be totally fine by me.

I find it mildly entertaining that so far no. Pilot has justified a refusal to Aeon's request beyond "KD doesn't matter", "I lose the ISK anyways", "I usually die either way" or "I earned it isn't a valid reason".

Sadly none of the the formers are actual arguments and the latter is contradictory.

Except when I said it would deter people from using a MCRU, a module arguably designed for Dropships, but that doesn't fit your narrative so you'll ignore it.

Anyway, how about regular Dropship keeps the same mechanic, ADS explodes instantly

Again though, I would prefer a vehicle exit timer the effectively makes this whole conversation obsolete

Except when I said it would deter people from using a MCRU, a module arguably designed for Dropships, but that doesn't fit your narrative so you'll ignore it.

Anyway, how about regular Dropship keeps the same mechanic, ADS explodes instantly

Again though, I would prefer a vehicle exit timer the effectively makes this whole conversation obsolete

I actually don't mind Arial vehicles not exploding directly on hitting 0 HP, as that's a tradeoff of being visable and has a decently low tank. Although I should get points for people who were in the DS when it hits 0 armor for cutting off their flight plan, (probably around 25% armor).

The visible thing, I'll give you (even though it's circumstantial and entirely based on the pilot's low flying abilities) but the light tank isn't a good argument. LAVs have a low tank. Does that mean they should now get a 10-15 second "get out of jail free" timer as well?

It's really insulting to sit here and say, "This should happen because this, this, and this; also, why should they be exempt?" and be met with "well, you're stupid". So, I figure, maybe I should do the same since that's the only thing you guys seem to understand at any given point in time.

As subject line says. Dropships should instantly explode when reaching 0/0 HP. Tanks do it, LAVs do it, why are Dropships exempt..? It's really annoying to have a dropship pilot live through the AV onslaught and then not die because they get a 5-10 second "get out of jail free" period.

Well if you find people disagreing with you insulting and an assualt on your own intelligence, this speaks far more about your own ego. And just like any little kid throwing a tantrum, Juno throws you a peice of candy and you go for it.

@ Aeon "becuase I want 50 WP" is not a valid argument.

This is what I have been saying... But no one cares what I say...

Not like the people on the forums actually play the game anyway

As subject line says. Dropships should instantly explode when reaching 0/0 HP. Tanks do it, LAVs do it, why are Dropships exempt..? It's really annoying to have a dropship pilot live through the AV onslaught and then not die because they get a 5-10 second "get out of jail free" period.

These are the three lines Y'all should pay attention to.

This should change because this is how it is in game. Therefore this is a weird exception.



Aeon is not wrong in this case.

It's because you've not done enough damage to destroy it, only knock out the engines/power

Interesting justification. Has nothing to do with the argument itself (for example -- would not, by your logic, this apply to ground vehicles?) but still interesting.

If the engines and power are knocked out -- then how would anyone open the doors?

If the armor is 0, wouldn't people inside the dropship be taking damage from explosions when other swarms/forges hit?

See, I can make up 'real world reasons' all day too. Game balance - which translates to fairness, fun, and player population - dictates otherwise.

Aeon made a good argument. Doesn't mean he is right, but so far he has yet to be challenged reasonably. So, rebut it with actual factual information OR logical rationale (or both.)

Dropships have a higher hull value (and hence why the guy plinking away at you with an AR gets the kill and not the swarms) than other vehicles/Dropsuits

Interesting justification. Has nothing to do with the argument itself (for example -- would not, by your logic, this apply to ground vehicles?) but still interesting.

If the engines and power are knocked out -- then how would anyone open the doors?

If the armor is 0, wouldn't people inside the dropship be taking damage from explosions when other swarms/forges hit?

See, I can make up 'real world reasons' all day too. Game balance - which translates to fairness, fun, and player population - dictates otherwise.

Aeon made a good argument. Doesn't mean he is right, but so far he has yet to be challenged reasonably. So, rebut it with actual factual information OR logical rationale (or both.)

Then I'd like to be able to eject out of my dropsuit like a rabid super-crab and come after you, naked (with shields and armored skin), with my prototype body and gun.

rabid super-crab

my question would be, why when i jump out of my ds (shot down or not) i commit suicide, i understand the ds crushed me mid air, what i'm wanting to know is why in the fukk doesn't my character jump out the other side that wouldn't be coming towards him?

my point is when i see thales in killfeed, i crash land to kill him and my character like a tardd jumps out the side coming towards the ground/him

10/10 thread

As subject line says. Dropships should instantly explode when reaching 0/0 HP. Tanks do it, LAVs do it, why are Dropships exempt..? It's really annoying to have a dropship pilot live through the AV onslaught and then not die because they get a 5-10 second "get out of jail free" period.

As subject line says. Dropships should instantly explode when reaching 0/0 HP. Tanks do it, LAVs do it, why are Dropships exempt..? It's really annoying to have a dropship pilot live through the AV onslaught and then not die because they get a 5-10 second "get out of jail free" period.

Hull.

We need vehicles to have hull like clones have a third 'health' for their bleed-out timers. Deal 200 damage (I think it's 200) past 0 armour? The vehicle explodes. Otherwise, the vehicle is on fire and takes 3-5 seconds to explode, giving people time to baiil if you don't push to fully destroy the vehicle, and at the same time high alpha weapons (Railguns, Forge Guns, Missiles) will likely blitz straight through the buffer.

Definitely agree that dropships shouldn't be exempt from exploding just 'because.' Introducing the above for all vehicles would give all vehicle users/passengers something else to think about, potentially.

Just a thought.

Or, god forbid, pull the Duna route of things and just get out, cloak up, and haul off to call in another.

Thicker shields/armor,

It's a vehicle

hardeners

It's a vehicle

high damage weaponry

PRO breach forge does more damage than a PRO rail can ever hope to do.

speed,

It's a vehicle

the list goes on and on dude.

Not really

You've got upwards of 5000 EHP

It's a vehicle

are completely immune to 70% of the weapons in the game

It's a vehicle

loaded to bear with a weapon that can kill me in two shots...

It's a vehicle

and if I somehow manage to take down your dropship that gives you all of that, you can always just bail out and go after me on foot where I will almost certainly be at a disadvantage because I'm running AV.

We get crushed by it in the air half the time. The other 25% of the time we're in the redline, and are practically in the next district.

That is why I get 275+ WP for destroying your Dropship.

There's vehicle damage, and vehicle destruction, possibly the kill, and more if you're a defend objective.

Aeon, just ignore Spkr, responding to him only enables his toxicity.

Honestly all vehicles should have an exit timer, no one should be able to pop out of a pilot seat instantly so that might help with the premature e-Pilot-lation. I don't so much have an issue with the whole crashing mechanic, but they should add an overkill mechanic where doing enough damage past 0/0 will cause it to blow up midair, likely catching the pilot mid-eject.

Shouting down someone like children, real nice.

Shouting down someone like children, real nice.

Every thread can be an anti-vehicle thread if you try hard enough!

I kinda want to go into a GD thread and make it anti-vehicle now.

Just to see if we can do it.

How about letting HAVs and LAVs burn for a few seconds at 0hp before blowing up so people can escape those too?

When the dropship hits zero the pilot should be killed and the vehicle start to crash. Overflow damage past zero should be applied to passengers evenly as they attemp to bail out of a dying bird.

This isn't a hard dilemma guys.

Bird destroyed, pilot dies, passemgers MIGHT die. But usually have a chance to abandon ship.

Aeon, just ignore Spkr, responding to him only enables his toxicity.

Honestly all vehicles should have an exit timer, no one should be able to pop out of a pilot seat instantly so that might help with the premature e-Pilot-lation. I don't so much have an issue with the whole crashing mechanic, but they should add an overkill mechanic where doing enough damage past 0/0 will cause it to blow up midair, likely catching the pilot mid-eject.

why?

That is a good question. Why should they? Ground vehicles has much more cover than Air vehicles (because air doesn't allow for much cover to be had).

This is a pretty boring idea, feed us interesting things!

I have no faith in the CPM but damn am I glad you dont count yourself among them

Good points, bad points, POINTS EVERYWHERE

Except you know, straight up and out of render/weapon range

Every thread can be an anti-vehicle thread if you try hard enough!

You can't state this as you have no proof nor background for this. I have a laptop next to me when im searching I post and read on the forums.

why?

I reply with. Why not? The OP of this thread is saying, make dropships blow up the same way LAVs and HAVs blow up. But, dropships and ground vehicles are different. I'm flipping it around and saying, why not let LAVs and HAVs blow up similar to how dropships do?

Why should vehicles blow up instantly? thats a hollywood crazy idea that's gotten into games. A vehicle will be wrecked and unable to move long before it blows up, if it even does blow up.

That depends. If a round penetrates the armour of a tank depending on what kind of shell it is and what parts of the tank it damages the thing will likely very much so instantly explode.

And no the latter comment is wholly untrue. Again depending on the round, its pay load, how and where it penetrates the armour, etc will determine how a vehicle like a tank is destroyed.

I reply with. Why not? The OP of this thread is saying, make dropships blow up the same way LAVs and HAVs blow up. But, dropships and ground vehicles are different. I'm flipping it around and saying, why not let LAVs and HAVs blow up similar to how dropships do?

Why should vehicles blow up instantly? thats a hollywood crazy idea that's gotten into games. A vehicle will be wrecked and unable to move long before it blows up, if it even does blow up.

I am a full time tanker, up until 1.10 I didn't use or have a dropsuit higher than min logi level 1 just to use my blueprint suit to drive. All of my points up until this point were into tanks my guns operate better. I can fit better mods with full 3 proto guns having fitting opt 5 for all turrets. As soon as there was the ability to respect I did, I eliminated the turrets that I didn't favor and used the leftover points to outfit dropsuits. I only respected to be able to avoid the tank spam when the enemy team sees my name and pulls 4 tanks to come after me or the cheesy loaded dropships. I spend the rest of the match back at the redline with my blueprint covenant sniper rifle and wait out the match.

One thing to fix the vehicle death action is to put pilot suits into play for closed in driver seats. HAV and DS of all types excluding LAV as your exposed.

I have several items to go over for this implementation.

Comparing dropsuits they are all of different sizes and speeds with different size weapons.

How much space is there really in a drivers seat?

How does a heavy that I can out run by 2X get out of a vehicle just as fast as I do?

Now how does the heavy fit in the drivers seat with a huge weapon at the ready. I seem to run faster depending on which weapon I have in my hands (not a lot of proto dropsuits to use to test with yet). how does this not play into a delay in the exit/entrance of a vehicle.

If you can't operate a 1/2 million isk tank (cheaping out is your self imposed handicap or lack of skills into vehicle upgrades or fitting optimization) Why should you get a 2nd chance in another large investment. why not let heavys have an eject button for when they hit close to death they can bust out of their almost dead heavy suit into a scout suit just because it fits inside? seems pretty stupid right.

My tank has never had 5-10 seconds of safety time for me to bail at a wall of obstacle, DS pilots had the switch seat option now just pull up before death to survive the fall as your now on top of the ship and can aim away from it. does not work if the ships too weak and I 2 shot it before the driver can respond. This tanks name is "The Dropship Special" not saying whats in it but it offers no quarter to dropships for escape, only 2 ships so far have survived from 2 direct hits from this tank, I received mail afterwards asking me what I use. Now these people target me at the beginning of the match with multiple vehicles or massive AV teams.

In my tank if I decide that I am going to ride it out and not bail I die if it hits 0HP Everyone in the DS is taking the same risk passengers included, passengers see the health of the DS and can decide when to bail on their own if not TRAPPED AND DEAD with the ship.

Here is an example of DS not working properly match starts I move in and a DS trys to sneak up behind me. I let him get so far as he/she is going to approach soon to get range on their turrets. I spin asap and nail the DS into 0 HP, The pilot and passengers use the guns on me until they fail to respond at this point they know to bail and lock on with swarms or charge the forge they have. As the pilot approaches he/she uses the bank left then right technique to empty one turret and spin to empty the other passengers turret, this sideways flying allows the pilot to survive the drop as the ship is no longer plowing into him/her. The chance of survival is even higher if I don't time the shots to not hit the front of the ship to push it up. I feel in this situation they stayed in the ship until it was no longer useful then took advantage of the 0HP action to destroy me after I fairly destroyed their ride with them in it.

Pilot suits could have 1 high, 1 low, 1 equipment and a side arm only. I have yet to see a helicopter pilot or jet pilot have more than a side arm on their person unless its in a side compartment, which they don't have when they eject unless the return back to salvage it from their wreckage. Having 1 equipment slot allows access for the driver to still assist infantry with links ammo or carry proxy remotes to set up a "follow me trap" for blaster tanks. With the limitation of slots and weapons the pilot suit could use the level of your dropsuit upgrades to make it more effective/survivable. This allowing unlimited CPU and PG on the suit to fit 1 of what you have maxed out for each slot instead of needing to include a proto pilot suit or any type of extra skills. Aside of hav/ds skills that would allow the purchase of the basic pilot suit for a minimum isk cost. Another way to put the pilot suit into users dropsuit fitting is to have it as one of the blueprint starter suits that only unlocks only once you've spent points into hav or DS skills. Including a bandwidth of 16 would allow enough room for enough remotes to either seriously injure if not destroy another tank, or enough equipment to assist not support infantry more than the realm of the tanks main job. This suit would not need a fast run speed or a low profile as it should be only mainly used with vehicles, on the other side the suits weakness should allow a low precision to see almost any suit not dampened. These stats would make the suit nothing more than a suit to run away in, killing someone would not be easy but avoiding them would be. people trying to take advantage of the low precision are reduced to less to than a glass cannon holding by onto a side arm.

I have more info on this topic which I may add later.

Yes I feel overpowered in my tank but I deserve to be with no dropsuits and level 5 skills in vehicles and turret operations.

To be honest, if Pilot suits were implemented and mandatory for closed cockpit vehicles we wouldn't need to have this discussion because it wouldn't matter wether you survived or not, a pilot suit out of his vehicle would be a dead man walking.

Since they are not, I suppose weighing in on this won't hurt, I believe the Pilot should die at 0/0, end of story, I tire of destroying tanks, dropships or LAV's where when the vehicle is clearly doomed/dead they jump out (often in a heavy suit, tanked to the nines) to blap you while you holding your AV weapon.

However Dropship passengers are a different story, passengers do not contribute to the dropship forcestrength (minus gunner posistions) and so should not be penalised by the pilots mistakes.

Dropships have a higher hull value (and hence why the guy plinking away at you with an AR gets the kill and not the swarms) than other vehicles/Dropsuits

That depends. If a round penetrates the armour of a tank depending on what kind of shell it is and what parts of the tank it damages the thing will likely very much so instantly explode.

And no the latter comment is wholly untrue. Again depending on the round, its pay load, how and where it penetrates the armour, etc will determine how a vehicle like a tank is destroyed.

To be honest, if Pilot suits were implemented and mandatory for closed cockpit vehicles we wouldn't need to have this discussion because it wouldn't matter wether you survived or not, a pilot suit out of his vehicle would be a dead man walking.

Since they are not, I suppose weighing in on this won't hurt, I believe the Pilot should die at 0/0, end of story, I tire of destroying tanks, dropships or LAV's where when the vehicle is clearly doomed/dead they jump out (often in a heavy suit, tanked to the nines) to blap you while you holding your AV weapon.

However Dropship passengers are a different story, passengers do not contribute to the dropship forcestrength (minus gunner posistions) and so should not be penalised by the pilots mistakes.

I share this opinion as well.

Also, pilot suits are a horrible, horrible idea, and will yet again elevate piloting far above all other roles in terms of SP and ISK required to not be a total waste of SP and ISK

So, you are saying that numbers cannot be adjusted to fix this upon their implementation?

I share this opinion as well.

Speaking as a turret-operator (NOT as a DS driver), I can't agree with the opinions that players' able to leap out of their Dropship before being scored as a "VEHICLE DESTRUCTION + KILL 50" (GǪface it, that IS what the underlying drooling issue is, isn't it)GǪ should be an issue at all. Leave the condition as it is right now---just leave it alone.

If the aim of Dust 514 is about players working to "hack/defend objectives", "team-help your side", and "win matches", then getting caught up in the addiction of "blowing up that player when she's AT the vehicle", instead of just valuing the elimination of the vehicle from the opposing sideGǪ. is a DEPARTURE from the purpose of the game.

If you destroy a vehicle or installation that a player is operating for her team, then you did RIGHT. THAT'S IMPORTANT towards helping your side win a match.
The event where the player stays at the installation and dies, or steps out quickly enough to save herself, should remain a risky dice that she rolls and can screw up in a handful of ways---- but is ALMOST never an important influence in helping her side win the match.
If she steps away from the blast and is able to kill you with a wrench that she threw from the driver's window, that should be the dice that you roll for not expecting an opponent to try to fight for survival---but it is ALMOST NEVER important towards helping her side win the match.
In both encounters, only the use and destruction of the vehicle/installation is pivotal to winning a match or holding a hacked objective. The other stuff is just personal vanity.
When I'm able to use a nearby Rail-Installation to destroy an enemy DS, and I see 1 x 50+ Kill appear after the DS destruction, I DON'T CARE. I want the DS cleared away so it can't prey on my teammates' heads while they are hacking a Null---if my team can't deal with one surviving "pilot" who escaped from the falling ship, then my team doesn't deserve the win a match. The removal of the VEHICLE is what I've been told is the Dust-play goal,GǪ craving the driver's death is just CoD withdrawal syndrome. (And I've seen too many players LOSING the match for their team, either because they DELAY finishing off the Installation until they can be sure the operator is still standing at it, or because they spent 4 extra minutes chasing after the survivor's scalp while their team needed their help elsewhere).

In the well-meaning attempt to "respond to players' needs of improvement", be careful not to pander to narcissisms, like the ability to stick a RE on someone's behind as they pass by", or "automatically-lock the player in his burning car when I railgun the car", or paint my new Quafe-purple suit with froo-froo French green emeralds (GǪI'm sorry, but those are the words I felt I needed to use).

No offense meant to the author or to the dev who felt it worth taking a side, but please, when a subject like this pops in your head, just resist it. If it accidentally catches interest with CCP, and they chose to relent to it, it will be as unhelpful to the claimed objective of Dust as Quafe-colored doorknobs on the new Caldari garage depot mapGǪ. put it LAST on your list of player-experience items.

ALL of this can easily be solved by leaving mechanics in place, as they are, and adding a pilot exit timer that applies to leaving the pilot seat. (be it to change seats in the vehicle OR to leave the vehicle completely).

Murder taxis can still be a thing if the heavy has a driver.

Dropship pilots will go down with the ship, without ruining hot drops. It would even prevent stupid suicide crashes, onto strategic points, from single players with uplinks. They'll have to actually land properly to deploy their links (This tactic has always annoyed the hell out of me). Alternatively they could gamble and try to hold the button in advance, while abandoning control of their ship and hope their timing is correct.

Tankers cannot pop out with their forge guns or HMGs to deal with issues as they come up, their passengers/gunners, however, can.

Add a hacking wheel that fills by holding the triangle or circle button to perform the corresponding action for the pilot only. All problems solved, with interest.

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Fair enough - but in accordance to your own written opinion, conditions for winning are most important. Therefore you must concede Clone Count to be important.


The thing that a few people were able to stay on topic about was how DS's have a whole separate rule for destruction than other vehicles -- and not just vehicles -- clones as well.

One thing you will want is parity in death and destruction seeing as this is an FPS.

Originally it was to be the pilot suit that allowed that difference. Since it isn't in the game yet (or maybe ever)
So, really we should change how DS's work as far as pilot bailout -- OR give Lavs and Havs the same couple of seconds.


I suggested earlier (somewhat snarkily) ...damage past 0 affects passengers and/or pilots..but that would have to be toned down due to the amount of damage AV does. (Other wise it is instant kill anyways.)

Although, I feel for DS pilots and invisible Swarm issues. Seems to me if the pilot (and the passengers) got a beeping once swarms were incoming that would help solve the practical issue with invisible swarms (use another sense) and would allow players to make their own decision (in the midst of battle no less) on whether to stay in the DS or bail out. Apply it to Lavs, Havs, and have stuff blow up at the same time relative to death.

This is all assuming exit timer is not put in place.

I smell a Pilot suit mechanic here...bail out time for Pilots and Gunners (hold that hack button!) of a few seconds. Implement a turret/pilot cooldown for using turrets/flying when entering a vehicle.

Pilot suits reduce the time required by level of suit worn. Minus 10% per level up to 50% at proto suit (must wear suit to get bonus.)

Lets people still run normal suits and do vehicles -- but penalizes them in the form of higher chance of death with vehicles. Pilot suits interface faster and can 'connect' and 'disconnect' faster. For dedicated pilots and gunners. Fixed?

Except you know, straight up and out of render/weapon range

Nailed it right on the head.

Circumstantial explosions! Sometimes they should, sometimes they shouldn't. More variables for more dynamic action!

Yes, this is what I want. Also, I'd like points rewarding me for cutting their flight short, so any passengers or gunners aboard that bailed I get points for (and if they die before/after hitting the ground, a kill).

I share this opinion as well.

. . . . we wouldn't need to, irrespective of this rather unique arguement. Their are simple fair changes that could be done both to alleviate this and other problems associated with the entry and exit of vehicles.

1) Have an entry/exit animation
This stops people jumping out at 0/5 or less
This stops heavies jumping in and out of LAV's
This makes HAHO/HALO drops from dropships more difficult

2) The heavier the suit the longer the animation
This encourages lighter suits to be used in vehicle
This reduces the heavy death taxis

Furthermore it adds consoderable immersion to the game and still allows the pilot to survive (but the risk is wether they could have saved the vehicle in the same time)

I like this.