I find it mildly entertaining that so far no. Pilot has justified a refusal to Aeon's request beyond "KD doesn't matter", "I lose the ISK anyways", "I usually die either way" or "I earned it isn't a valid reason".

Sadly none of the the formers are actual arguments and the latter is contradictory.

I find it mildly entertaining that so far no. Pilot has justified a refusal to Aeon's request beyond "KD doesn't matter", "I lose the ISK anyways", "I usually die either way" or "I earned it isn't a valid reason".

Sadly none of the the formers are actual arguments and the latter is contradictory.

Hull.

We need vehicles to have hull like clones have a third 'health' for their bleed-out timers. Deal 200 damage (I think it's 200) past 0 armour? The vehicle explodes. Otherwise, the vehicle is on fire and takes 3-5 seconds to explode, giving people time to baiil if you don't push to fully destroy the vehicle

Not at all. Reading your reactions to people who are trying to discuss the merits of of your idea. Juno said he was divided on it, but instead of talking about the pros and cons , you are reacting scarcastically.

Pilot reactions are ranging from disagreement to intrigue. Nobody's calling you names, or talking about "AV feelings". You are the only one being sarcastic here. Given your Planetary Services initiative, i can tell you can put together a reasoned argument when you want.

Since you are deliberatly not, and resorting to being personal and accusatory, in this instance you are either way off your game, or just trying to incite a pilot reaction.

You want to discuss the pros and cons, i'll bite. There plenty of ways where we can talk about nailing dropships where they can explode instantly. But if you want to have it your way or the highway, then its not worth dealing with.

I find it mildly entertaining that so far no. Pilot has justified a refusal to Aeon's request beyond "KD doesn't matter", "I lose the ISK anyways", "I usually die either way" or "I earned it isn't a valid reason".

Sadly none of the the formers are actual arguments and the latter is contradictory.

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Let's get back to the real discussion here instead of the tw*ts who think they have piloted a dropship butting in.
I see your concern about the DS not exploding on 0/0 heath. You have a good argument based off of the other vehicles in game and as a pilot I would like to meet your idea somewhere in the middle.
Many times when my DS is going down I get suicided as the wreckage slams into my body. My proposal, that was rudely buried in the elitist "pilots" posts is that I still have a chance to get out, but if my DS kills me on the way down, you get the points for it.
That would be totally fine by me.

I find it mildly entertaining that so far no. Pilot has justified a refusal to Aeon's request beyond "KD doesn't matter", "I lose the ISK anyways", "I usually die either way" or "I earned it isn't a valid reason".

Sadly none of the the formers are actual arguments and the latter is contradictory.

Except when I said it would deter people from using a MCRU, a module arguably designed for Dropships, but that doesn't fit your narrative so you'll ignore it.

Anyway, how about regular Dropship keeps the same mechanic, ADS explodes instantly

Again though, I would prefer a vehicle exit timer the effectively makes this whole conversation obsolete

Except when I said it would deter people from using a MCRU, a module arguably designed for Dropships, but that doesn't fit your narrative so you'll ignore it.

Anyway, how about regular Dropship keeps the same mechanic, ADS explodes instantly

Again though, I would prefer a vehicle exit timer the effectively makes this whole conversation obsolete

I actually don't mind Arial vehicles not exploding directly on hitting 0 HP, as that's a tradeoff of being visable and has a decently low tank. Although I should get points for people who were in the DS when it hits 0 armor for cutting off their flight plan, (probably around 25% armor).

The visible thing, I'll give you (even though it's circumstantial and entirely based on the pilot's low flying abilities) but the light tank isn't a good argument. LAVs have a low tank. Does that mean they should now get a 10-15 second "get out of jail free" timer as well?

It's really insulting to sit here and say, "This should happen because this, this, and this; also, why should they be exempt?" and be met with "well, you're stupid". So, I figure, maybe I should do the same since that's the only thing you guys seem to understand at any given point in time.

As subject line says. Dropships should instantly explode when reaching 0/0 HP. Tanks do it, LAVs do it, why are Dropships exempt..? It's really annoying to have a dropship pilot live through the AV onslaught and then not die because they get a 5-10 second "get out of jail free" period.

Well if you find people disagreing with you insulting and an assualt on your own intelligence, this speaks far more about your own ego. And just like any little kid throwing a tantrum, Juno throws you a peice of candy and you go for it.

@ Aeon "becuase I want 50 WP" is not a valid argument.

This is what I have been saying... But no one cares what I say...

Not like the people on the forums actually play the game anyway

As subject line says. Dropships should instantly explode when reaching 0/0 HP. Tanks do it, LAVs do it, why are Dropships exempt..? It's really annoying to have a dropship pilot live through the AV onslaught and then not die because they get a 5-10 second "get out of jail free" period.

These are the three lines Y'all should pay attention to.

This should change because this is how it is in game. Therefore this is a weird exception.



Aeon is not wrong in this case.

It's because you've not done enough damage to destroy it, only knock out the engines/power

Interesting justification. Has nothing to do with the argument itself (for example -- would not, by your logic, this apply to ground vehicles?) but still interesting.

If the engines and power are knocked out -- then how would anyone open the doors?

If the armor is 0, wouldn't people inside the dropship be taking damage from explosions when other swarms/forges hit?

See, I can make up 'real world reasons' all day too. Game balance - which translates to fairness, fun, and player population - dictates otherwise.

Aeon made a good argument. Doesn't mean he is right, but so far he has yet to be challenged reasonably. So, rebut it with actual factual information OR logical rationale (or both.)

Dropships have a higher hull value (and hence why the guy plinking away at you with an AR gets the kill and not the swarms) than other vehicles/Dropsuits

Interesting justification. Has nothing to do with the argument itself (for example -- would not, by your logic, this apply to ground vehicles?) but still interesting.

If the engines and power are knocked out -- then how would anyone open the doors?

If the armor is 0, wouldn't people inside the dropship be taking damage from explosions when other swarms/forges hit?

See, I can make up 'real world reasons' all day too. Game balance - which translates to fairness, fun, and player population - dictates otherwise.

Aeon made a good argument. Doesn't mean he is right, but so far he has yet to be challenged reasonably. So, rebut it with actual factual information OR logical rationale (or both.)

Then I'd like to be able to eject out of my dropsuit like a rabid super-crab and come after you, naked (with shields and armored skin), with my prototype body and gun.

rabid super-crab