That is a good question. Why should they? Ground vehicles has much more cover than Air vehicles (because air doesn't allow for much cover to be had).

Fair enough - but in accordance to your own written opinion, conditions for winning are most important. Therefore you must concede Clone Count to be important.


The thing that a few people were able to stay on topic about was how DS's have a whole separate rule for destruction than other vehicles -- and not just vehicles -- clones as well.

One thing you will want is parity in death and destruction seeing as this is an FPS.

Originally it was to be the pilot suit that allowed that difference. Since it isn't in the game yet (or maybe ever)
So, really we should change how DS's work as far as pilot bailout -- OR give Lavs and Havs the same couple of seconds.


I suggested earlier (somewhat snarkily) ...damage past 0 affects passengers and/or pilots..but that would have to be toned down due to the amount of damage AV does. (Other wise it is instant kill anyways.)

Although, I feel for DS pilots and invisible Swarm issues. Seems to me if the pilot (and the passengers) got a beeping once swarms were incoming that would help solve the practical issue with invisible swarms (use another sense) and would allow players to make their own decision (in the midst of battle no less) on whether to stay in the DS or bail out. Apply it to Lavs, Havs, and have stuff blow up at the same time relative to death.

This is all assuming exit timer is not put in place.

When the dropship hits zero the pilot should be killed and the vehicle start to crash. Overflow damage past zero should be applied to passengers evenly as they attemp to bail out of a dying bird.

This isn't a hard dilemma guys.

Bird destroyed, pilot dies, passemgers MIGHT die. But usually have a chance to abandon ship.

[quote=Monkey MAC]To be honest, if Pilot suits were implemented and mandatory for closed cockpit vehicles we wouldn't need to have this discussion because it wouldn't matter wether you survived or not, a pilot suit out of his vehicle would be a dead man walking.

Since they are not, I suppose weighing in on this won't hurt, I believe the Pilot should die at 0/0, end of story, I tire of destroying tanks, dropships or LAV's where when the vehicle is clearly doomed/dead they jump out (often in a heavy suit, tanked to the nines) to blap you while you holding your AV weapon.

However Dropship passengers are a different story, passengers do not contribute to the dropship forcestrength (minus gunner posistions) and so should not be penalised by the pilots mistakes.

. . . . we wouldn't need to, irrespective of this rather unique arguement. Their are simple fair changes that could be done both to alleviate this and other problems associated with the entry and exit of vehicles.

1) Have an entry/exit animation
This stops people jumping out at 0/5 or less
This stops heavies jumping in and out of LAV's
This makes HAHO/HALO drops from dropships more difficult

2) The heavier the suit the longer the animation
This encourages lighter suits to be used in vehicle
This reduces the heavy death taxis

Furthermore it adds consoderable immersion to the game and still allows the pilot to survive (but the risk is wether they could have saved the vehicle in the same time)