@ Aeon "becuase I want 50 WP" is not a valid argument.

I would love if the eject timer we have for dropships applied to tanks and LAVs as well. Give every crew a chance to bail out.


Otherwise, what your saying makes as much sense to me as the revive mechanic being applied to suits and not vehicles. Just the nature of the game.

Lol, easy Aeon. This isn't an anti vehicle thread

why not make it so the pilot can't get out but all the passengers have time to get out.

Becuase they have a quick exit to the side and it would make people not want to get transport by drop ships. And drop ships have more angles they can get hit buy sense theirs no objects in the air for cover.

Since this has now descended into an anti vehicle thread, why do you get 275+ wp for destroying my incubus when I only get 50?

Should we be getting more wp for a heavy kill? What about damage points if they're getting repped?

So trolling is what this is about.

If thats your point of veiw then, whatever man. Can't be botherd to mess with trolls.

Extra war points for vehicle damage was added due to tanks being OP, if we're now at a 1 player = 1 player situation why should the AV player be getting more WP for the same action?

With the instant exploding proposal will the additional WP will be removed then? Since people can't bail out

Not at all. Reading your reactions to people who are trying to discuss the merits of of your idea. Juno said he was divided on it, but instead of talking about the pros and cons , you are reacting scarcastically.

Pilot reactions are ranging from disagreement to intrigue. Nobody's calling you names, or talking about "AV feelings". You are the only one being sarcastic here. Given your Planetary Services initiative, i can tell you can put together a reasoned argument when you want.

Since you are deliberatly not, and resorting to being personal and accusatory, in this instance you are either way off your game, or just trying to incite a pilot reaction.

You want to discuss the pros and cons, i'll bite. There plenty of ways where we can talk about nailing dropships where they can explode instantly. But if you want to have it your way or the highway, then its not worth dealing with.

I find it mildly entertaining that so far no. Pilot has justified a refusal to Aeon's request beyond "KD doesn't matter", "I lose the ISK anyways", "I usually die either way" or "I earned it isn't a valid reason".

Sadly none of the the formers are actual arguments and the latter is contradictory.

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Except when I said it would deter people from using a MCRU, a module arguably designed for Dropships, but that doesn't fit your narrative so you'll ignore it.

Anyway, how about regular Dropship keeps the same mechanic, ADS explodes instantly

Again though, I would prefer a vehicle exit timer the effectively makes this whole conversation obsolete

I actually don't mind Arial vehicles not exploding directly on hitting 0 HP, as that's a tradeoff of being visable and has a decently low tank. Although I should get points for people who were in the DS when it hits 0 armor for cutting off their flight plan, (probably around 25% armor).

Well if you find people disagreing with you insulting and an assualt on your own intelligence, this speaks far more about your own ego. And just like any little kid throwing a tantrum, Juno throws you a peice of candy and you go for it.

@ Aeon "becuase I want 50 WP" is not a valid argument.

Interesting justification. Has nothing to do with the argument itself (for example -- would not, by your logic, this apply to ground vehicles?) but still interesting.

If the engines and power are knocked out -- then how would anyone open the doors?

If the armor is 0, wouldn't people inside the dropship be taking damage from explosions when other swarms/forges hit?

See, I can make up 'real world reasons' all day too. Game balance - which translates to fairness, fun, and player population - dictates otherwise.

Aeon made a good argument. Doesn't mean he is right, but so far he has yet to be challenged reasonably. So, rebut it with actual factual information OR logical rationale (or both.)

This is a pretty boring idea, feed us interesting things!

I have no faith in the CPM but damn am I glad you dont count yourself among them

Good points, bad points, POINTS EVERYWHERE

To be honest, if Pilot suits were implemented and mandatory for closed cockpit vehicles we wouldn't need to have this discussion because it wouldn't matter wether you survived or not, a pilot suit out of his vehicle would be a dead man walking.

Since they are not, I suppose weighing in on this won't hurt, I believe the Pilot should die at 0/0, end of story, I tire of destroying tanks, dropships or LAV's where when the vehicle is clearly doomed/dead they jump out (often in a heavy suit, tanked to the nines) to blap you while you holding your AV weapon.

However Dropship passengers are a different story, passengers do not contribute to the dropship forcestrength (minus gunner posistions) and so should not be penalised by the pilots mistakes.

Speaking as a turret-operator (NOT as a DS driver), I can't agree with the opinions that players' able to leap out of their Dropship before being scored as a "VEHICLE DESTRUCTION + KILL 50" (GǪface it, that IS what the underlying drooling issue is, isn't it)GǪ should be an issue at all. Leave the condition as it is right now---just leave it alone.

If the aim of Dust 514 is about players working to "hack/defend objectives", "team-help your side", and "win matches", then getting caught up in the addiction of "blowing up that player when she's AT the vehicle", instead of just valuing the elimination of the vehicle from the opposing sideGǪ. is a DEPARTURE from the purpose of the game.

If you destroy a vehicle or installation that a player is operating for her team, then you did RIGHT. THAT'S IMPORTANT towards helping your side win a match.
The event where the player stays at the installation and dies, or steps out quickly enough to save herself, should remain a risky dice that she rolls and can screw up in a handful of ways---- but is ALMOST never an important influence in helping her side win the match.
If she steps away from the blast and is able to kill you with a wrench that she threw from the driver's window, that should be the dice that you roll for not expecting an opponent to try to fight for survival---but it is ALMOST NEVER important towards helping her side win the match.
In both encounters, only the use and destruction of the vehicle/installation is pivotal to winning a match or holding a hacked objective. The other stuff is just personal vanity.
When I'm able to use a nearby Rail-Installation to destroy an enemy DS, and I see 1 x 50+ Kill appear after the DS destruction, I DON'T CARE. I want the DS cleared away so it can't prey on my teammates' heads while they are hacking a Null---if my team can't deal with one surviving "pilot" who escaped from the falling ship, then my team doesn't deserve the win a match. The removal of the VEHICLE is what I've been told is the Dust-play goal,GǪ craving the driver's death is just CoD withdrawal syndrome. (And I've seen too many players LOSING the match for their team, either because they DELAY finishing off the Installation until they can be sure the operator is still standing at it, or because they spent 4 extra minutes chasing after the survivor's scalp while their team needed their help elsewhere).

In the well-meaning attempt to "respond to players' needs of improvement", be careful not to pander to narcissisms, like the ability to stick a RE on someone's behind as they pass by", or "automatically-lock the player in his burning car when I railgun the car", or paint my new Quafe-purple suit with froo-froo French green emeralds (GǪI'm sorry, but those are the words I felt I needed to use).

No offense meant to the author or to the dev who felt it worth taking a side, but please, when a subject like this pops in your head, just resist it. If it accidentally catches interest with CCP, and they chose to relent to it, it will be as unhelpful to the claimed objective of Dust as Quafe-colored doorknobs on the new Caldari garage depot mapGǪ. put it LAST on your list of player-experience items.

Fair enough - but in accordance to your own written opinion, conditions for winning are most important. Therefore you must concede Clone Count to be important.


The thing that a few people were able to stay on topic about was how DS's have a whole separate rule for destruction than other vehicles -- and not just vehicles -- clones as well.

One thing you will want is parity in death and destruction seeing as this is an FPS.

Originally it was to be the pilot suit that allowed that difference. Since it isn't in the game yet (or maybe ever)
So, really we should change how DS's work as far as pilot bailout -- OR give Lavs and Havs the same couple of seconds.


I suggested earlier (somewhat snarkily) ...damage past 0 affects passengers and/or pilots..but that would have to be toned down due to the amount of damage AV does. (Other wise it is instant kill anyways.)

Although, I feel for DS pilots and invisible Swarm issues. Seems to me if the pilot (and the passengers) got a beeping once swarms were incoming that would help solve the practical issue with invisible swarms (use another sense) and would allow players to make their own decision (in the midst of battle no less) on whether to stay in the DS or bail out. Apply it to Lavs, Havs, and have stuff blow up at the same time relative to death.

This is all assuming exit timer is not put in place.

I smell a Pilot suit mechanic here...bail out time for Pilots and Gunners (hold that hack button!) of a few seconds. Implement a turret/pilot cooldown for using turrets/flying when entering a vehicle.

Pilot suits reduce the time required by level of suit worn. Minus 10% per level up to 50% at proto suit (must wear suit to get bonus.)

Lets people still run normal suits and do vehicles -- but penalizes them in the form of higher chance of death with vehicles. Pilot suits interface faster and can 'connect' and 'disconnect' faster. For dedicated pilots and gunners. Fixed?

. . . . we wouldn't need to, irrespective of this rather unique arguement. Their are simple fair changes that could be done both to alleviate this and other problems associated with the entry and exit of vehicles.

1) Have an entry/exit animation
This stops people jumping out at 0/5 or less
This stops heavies jumping in and out of LAV's
This makes HAHO/HALO drops from dropships more difficult

2) The heavier the suit the longer the animation
This encourages lighter suits to be used in vehicle
This reduces the heavy death taxis

Furthermore it adds consoderable immersion to the game and still allows the pilot to survive (but the risk is wether they could have saved the vehicle in the same time)