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Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 789	Posted - 2015.01.21 19:48:00 - [1] - Quote Posted this in war room. Was told it would be seen faster here Talking trash aside...politics aside and personal beefs aside. I love this game. The interaction in players is the most rewarding thing about it. We are a self run community. And we appreciate that you CCP take the time to listen to your players and make changes based on what we say . Even if it is at a slow rate. Change happens. What I am mad about....is the people you are gathering your information from...to make changes to pc....are not even in pc. This is a Rediculous thing. Knowing stats on suits...and other geeky stats is great an all for those math wizards. But. ..do not for a second think that they are in any shape way or form involved in the most competitive form of your game. Planetary Conquest. Let them talk in general discussion about nerfing the gun that kills them. Given any gun in this game we have players in planetary conquest that would crush that same person complaining about an op gun. Give kalante a militia any gun and he will have general discussion players crying of op ness.-á My sincere advise to you. Is create an in game chat channel. Make sure you eve protect it so no trolls can join it. And invite us into your chat. And talk with us. Please. Do not listen to some loser cpm or X cpm who does not even play your game. We do. We play it every day all day. Don't believe me ccp? If it's possible I want you to look up and post my planetary conquest only stats. You will see I pc multiple times a day every day. And know every single major pc player. We are the ones you should be talking to. No one should be advising you on game changes related to pc but us. We don't care about weapons and stat changes. We will adapt to what yiu give us and kill any pub player. You need to consult us. Please create a channel and invite us to it. In 1 hour we can give you more dedication and constructive criticism then a years worth of cpm meetings.-á Give us a time and a date. We will create the chat and organize it. To the players reading this. Don't **** it up. If they do want to talk and listen to use keep you troll mouths shut. We will do the talking and we will help our game. One idiot talking trash or being a tough 12 year old on the Internet will ruin it for all or us. I don't want this game to ever die. And planetary conquest is the only reason I still play it. Don't kill it by listening to people who do not play it. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 364	Posted - 2015.01.21 19:54:00 - [2] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Posted this in war room. Was told it would be seen faster here What I am mad about....is the people you are gathering your information from...to make changes to pc....are not even in pc. This is a Rediculous thing. Knowing stats on suits...and other geeky stats is great an all for those math wizards. But. ..do not for a second think that they are in any shape way or form involved in the most competitive form of your game. Planetary Conquest. As far as I know, everyone posting there is active or has been active in PC. Of course, people who never played PC won't know what to say hence won't post anything. Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
Ku Shala The Generals 1145	Posted - 2015.01.21 20:00:00 - [3] - Quote input from the PC community is important but the exclusiveness of pc is one of the problems with it. opinions from all sides are valuable at this point since pc mechanics will be entirely different from what they are now. *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist Tiger Style
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 790	Posted - 2015.01.21 20:11:00 - [4] - Quote Pc mechanics being changed should come from feed back of those that play it. You won't hear me making any claims or ideas in regards to tanking because you will never catch me in one. The changes being proposed are by people who have no clue what they are talking about. They are hypothesising in other words talking out their dam asses Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2855	Posted - 2015.01.21 20:18:00 - [5] - Quote Listen to Roman. I say listen because he is loud and has terrible grammar. :) Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 176	Posted - 2015.01.21 20:28:00 - [6] - Quote ROMAN THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH CAPITALS IN YOUR PARAGRAPHS ..JK nah but for real ccp you should do this Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 105	Posted - 2015.01.21 20:29:00 - [7] - Quote My apologies , can someone tell me where these proporsed changes to PC are being discussed? I can only see references to timers. I currently avoid PC because I am already getting protostomped more than I need to be If CCP is actually trying to fix the problem of people avoiding PC with gun nerfs and suit tweaks they are crazy.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5488	Posted - 2015.01.21 20:38:00 - [8] - Quote Ku Shala wrote: input from the PC community is important but the exclusiveness of pc is one of the problems with it. opinions from all sides are valuable at this point since pc mechanics will be entirely different from what they are now. This. Third response on the thread nailed it. Roman, we want a lot more than just the current PC crowd to enjoy PC. It's not going to work to just build a new PC based on Kane's feedback and your feedback. Designs that exclude a lot of other corps aren't going to fly, and the experiences of people who were pushed out of PC or stopped playing PC are actually a lot more valuable than the current PC crowd in determining where the design for PC went wrong. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1027	Posted - 2015.01.21 20:47:00 - [9] - Quote Roman, I couldn't disagree with you more, as per usual. The PC mechanics as they were originally created were broken. Hopefully they fix them, but either way, input should be coming from all, not just those that have participated in the broken PC mechanics. Those excluded players will have useful input just like those included players will. Overlord of Broman
Big Burns Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 335	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:00:00 - [10] - Quote They should have been taking advice from guys like Roman837 all along. Kalante Schiffer, Kain Spero, ChicagoCubsForever, Regnum, Milkman1, Kaizuka Sniper, TheLegend345, TheMarkof22, Sgt. Biggz, Annie Oakley, Calamity Jane, Funkmaster Whale, James5955,etc. I mean the list goes on and on. Each of these guys were/are trailblazers in their fields. They should have been drawing ideas from these guys from the beginning, concerning all gamemodes and aspects of the game. I get confused when the community gets excited about guys like: CeoPyrex, Zatara Rought, Duna2002, etc. It's like their perception and overall insight on this game is tainted. I'm a try-hard, because half my team sits in the MCC.

Big Burns Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 335	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:02:00 - [11] - Quote Oops posted twice. sry. I'm a try-hard, because half my team sits in the MCC.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5782	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:09:00 - [12] - Quote Everytime CCP reads a post from some PC dude that says "pc is accessible" they look at their statistics and laugh. There's a HUGE gap between the current PC community and the rest of the Dust community in regards to team play. Personally I think PC has stayed the way it has for so long that I don't think anything can bridge that gap. NS didn't get its massive amount of districts until PC was already largely dead. Hidden timers aren't killing PC. Locking isn't killing PC. It's the fact that when it matters there are a few dozen players under the current mechanics can dominate everything in a few weeks. When people come to that realization and start giving feedback accordingly, we won't be stuck with PS2. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5782	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:17:00 - [13] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Ku Shala wrote: input from the PC community is important but the exclusiveness of pc is one of the problems with it. opinions from all sides are valuable at this point since pc mechanics will be entirely different from what they are now. This. Second response to the thread nailed it. Roman, we want a lot more than just the current PC crowd to enjoy PC. It's not going to work to just build a new PC based on Kane's feedback and your feedback. Designs that exclude a lot of other corps aren't going to fly, and the experiences of people who were pushed out of PC or stopped playing PC are actually a lot more valuable than the current PC crowd in determining where the design for PC went wrong. jane stalin wrote: My apologies , can someone tell me where these proporsed changes to PC are being discussed? I can only see references to timers. There's multiple threads on proposed PC changes in the Feedback and Ideas board. Just an FYI, I liked your post because I agree with you up until the point where you said input from others is MORE valuable. There are plenty of PC players that don't like the current mechanics. There are plenty of people in PC that want to see it become something better. I'm sure that CCP has heard a lot from Kane and Zatara and people like them in settings that most of us will never be privy to. I think a lot of the community felt like Kane was rigging the game in the favor of his elite troopers. Zatara probably told them all about how he built his corp from nothing (a bunch of very high KDR players from other PC corps) and dominated for some time. But those aren't the only voices. Sure you might here from YDubbs that the problem is that clone packs aren't expensive enough or you might hear from El Operator that PC is actually quite accessible, but there are plenty of people ready to help expand PC past a few hundred players. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1030	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:17:00 - [14] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Everytime CCP reads a post from some PC dude that says "pc is accessible" they look at their statistics and laugh. There's a HUGE gap between the current PC community and the rest of the Dust community in regards to team play. Personally I think PC has stayed the way it has for so long that I don't think anything can bridge that gap. NS didn't get its massive amount of districts until PC was already largely dead. Hidden timers aren't killing PC. Locking isn't killing PC. It's the fact that when it matters there are a few dozen players under the current mechanics can dominate everything in a few weeks. When people come to that realization and start giving feedback accordingly, we won't be stuck with PS2. Thor is my forum buddy. We always agree. Go figure. Maybe one day i'll see you in game. Overlord of Broman
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1478	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:21:00 - [15] - Quote Like others have said, knowing why people don't play PC is as valuable as knowing why people do. Because, that's why.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2938	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:22:00 - [16] - Quote Roman, While I like your idea about a conversation, I think you should take your ideas to the Features & Ideas discussion here and here.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5494	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:26:00 - [17] - Quote Thor, I'll take a partial agree. :) It's better than not agreeing. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
John ShepardIII Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 1146	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:32:00 - [18] - Quote Make an area for noobs to do PC and Leets to do their PCs. Like anyone with a district in the Leet area can't be in noob territory. The True Shepard Old GAM was OP Hakyou Brutor supreme Overlord of Dust
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 364	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:32:00 - [19] - Quote It is very important, in my opinion, to listen to why people deliberately never got involved in PC or why they left. If you already like something, you'll never find the right issues in it. I can tell you why I (as many others) decided to leave Planetary Conquest (and Dust, later): framerate issues, network lag, impossible timers. Now, I'd be pretty happy if they fix one of these issues, it would be a good step forward. Edit: Also remember, today's PC is what it is because old PC players already left. I could name at least 15 corporations that shouldn't own any district if "old" PC players and corporations were still active. Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 801	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:34:00 - [20] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Ku Shala wrote: input from the PC community is important but the exclusiveness of pc is one of the problems with it. opinions from all sides are valuable at this point since pc mechanics will be entirely different from what they are now. This. Second response to the thread nailed it. Roman, we want a lot more than just the current PC crowd to enjoy PC. It's not going to work to just build a new PC based on Kane's feedback and your feedback. Designs that exclude a lot of other corps aren't going to fly, and the experiences of people who were pushed out of PC or stopped playing PC are actually a lot more valuable than the current PC crowd in determining where the design for PC went wrong. jane stalin wrote: My apologies , can someone tell me where these proporsed changes to PC are being discussed? I can only see references to timers. There's multiple threads on proposed PC changes in the Feedback and Ideas board. Changes so that the entire community can enjoy? They can enjoy it now. They chose not to. Your right everyone should be included in discussing the changes. Including pc players. What pc players were consulted? Who? The changes being proposed is garbage. What your saying is the changes should accommodate the people currently not in pc...and anger the ones currently who are. That is horrible logic. Ares 514. People who play this game are the ones who this is for. Not you. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5495	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:41:00 - [21] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Changes so that the entire community can enjoy? They can enjoy it now. They chose not to. And that right there is why I value their opinions more than yours. ;) You don't see the problem. Roman837 wrote: Your right everyone should be included in discussing the changes. I usually am. :) Roman837 wrote: Including pc players. What pc players were consulted? Who? Zatara? And remember all the nonsense SoTa was bringing up claiming Zatara was idaring to solicit feedback from other people on ideas? Roman837 wrote: The changes being proposed is garbage. What your saying is the changes should accommodate the people currently not in pc...and anger the ones currently who are. That is horrible logic. Change is always hard. Especially when you're getting a harsh nerf. I don't think post-changes it should be possible to have a giant PC empire anymore. I expect a lot of people who expect to have a large PC empire, and are used to managing things on that scale, to be upset with that. I certainly want the design to reward top end skill and ability, though hopefully not by allowing them to control the game board. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5783	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:41:00 - [22] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Ku Shala wrote: input from the PC community is important but the exclusiveness of pc is one of the problems with it. opinions from all sides are valuable at this point since pc mechanics will be entirely different from what they are now. This. Second response to the thread nailed it. Roman, we want a lot more than just the current PC crowd to enjoy PC. It's not going to work to just build a new PC based on Kane's feedback and your feedback. Designs that exclude a lot of other corps aren't going to fly, and the experiences of people who were pushed out of PC or stopped playing PC are actually a lot more valuable than the current PC crowd in determining where the design for PC went wrong. jane stalin wrote: My apologies , can someone tell me where these proporsed changes to PC are being discussed? I can only see references to timers. There's multiple threads on proposed PC changes in the Feedback and Ideas board. Changes so that the entire community can enjoy? They can enjoy it now. They chose not to. Your right everyone should be included in discussing the changes. Including pc players. What pc players were consulted? Who? The changes being proposed is garbage. What your saying is the changes should accommodate the people currently not in pc...and anger the ones currently who are. That is horrible logic. Ares 514. People who play this game are the ones who this is for. Not you. People aren't necessarily choosing not to do PC. Do you want them to get a hundred players willing to grind for a month in free suits with 100% tax for enough ISK to launch a handful of attacks? Do you want them to look for hundred more players to do the same when the first tell them to go F themselves after getting redlined and individually losing millions of ISK? How many PC battles do you think it would take for a non-PC corp to even begin to figure out how the heck the enemy is in the city with 32 uplinks out and points hacked before their DS even hits the ground? There's a middle ground. We are currently on hardmode. Let's push for intermediate mode before we get stuck with easy mode. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
John ShepardIII Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 1146	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:57:00 - [23] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Roman837 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Ku Shala wrote: input from the PC community is important but the exclusiveness of pc is one of the problems with it. opinions from all sides are valuable at this point since pc mechanics will be entirely different from what they are now. This. Second response to the thread nailed it. Roman, we want a lot more than just the current PC crowd to enjoy PC. It's not going to work to just build a new PC based on Kane's feedback and your feedback. Designs that exclude a lot of other corps aren't going to fly, and the experiences of people who were pushed out of PC or stopped playing PC are actually a lot more valuable than the current PC crowd in determining where the design for PC went wrong. jane stalin wrote: My apologies , can someone tell me where these proporsed changes to PC are being discussed? I can only see references to timers. There's multiple threads on proposed PC changes in the Feedback and Ideas board. Changes so that the entire community can enjoy? They can enjoy it now. They chose not to. Your right everyone should be included in discussing the changes. Including pc players. What pc players were consulted? Who? The changes being proposed is garbage. What your saying is the changes should accommodate the people currently not in pc...and anger the ones currently who are. That is horrible logic. Ares 514. People who play this game are the ones who this is for. Not you. People aren't necessarily choosing not to do PC. Do you want them to get a hundred players willing to grind for a month in free suits with 100% tax for enough ISK to launch a handful of attacks? Do you want them to look for hundred more players to do the same when the first tell them to go F themselves after getting redlined and individually losing millions of ISK? How many PC battles do you think it would take for a non-PC corp to even begin to figure out how the heck the enemy is in the city with 32 uplinks out and points hacked before their DS even hits the ground? There's a middle ground. We are currently on hardmode. Let's push for intermediate mode before we get stuck with easy mode. Intermediate mode? So pub stomp everyone. Their are easy PC battles right now and only only a handful of fun ones. Any easier would be boring The True Shepard Old GAM was OP Hakyou Brutor supreme Overlord of Dust
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5784	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:01:00 - [24] - Quote It's perhaps boring for the 100 people that currently do PC. I'm guessing that CCP wants to have more people involved. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 802	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:02:00 - [25] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Roman837 wrote: Changes so that the entire community can enjoy? They can enjoy it now. They chose not to. And that right there is why I value their opinions more than yours. ;) You don't see the problem. Roman837 wrote: Your right everyone should be included in discussing the changes. I usually am. :) Roman837 wrote: Including pc players. What pc players were consulted? Who? Zatara? And remember all the nonsense SoTa was bringing up claiming Zatara was idaring to solicit feedback from other people on ideas? Roman837 wrote: The changes being proposed is garbage. What your saying is the changes should accommodate the people currently not in pc...and anger the ones currently who are. That is horrible logic. Change is always hard. Especially when you're getting a harsh nerf. I don't think post-changes it should be possible to have a giant PC empire anymore. I expect a lot of people who expect to have a large PC empire, and are used to managing things on that scale, to be upset with that. I certainly want the design to reward top end skill and ability, though hopefully not by allowing them to control the game board. CCP. If you are reading this. And you implement a change that is based off of this morons views and inputs. ...I can guarentee you will lose the remainder of your competitive players. When was the last time this person was in a PC? Please talk to us. Not them. That is what I am asking. Discuss it with the players it involves! We already have a chat formed. We had a very long meeting on it last night. We are all in agreement. And by we I mean the leaders of the corps currently in pc. Do not listen to people who are not involved to make big decisions. Zatara? Who is Zatara. I wasted my vote on him I think. Is he the cpm of destiny? Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 802	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:06:00 - [26] - Quote So....should ccp reset eve? Who cares how hard the players who currently play have worked to get that far....let's accommodate the other people. If people want in pc. They work for it. It's a game mode of competitiveness. Should the NFL allow in every team who can field players into their league? Make changes to accommodate the people not in it? Why even have pc then. Why grind and become known in this game. Why work hard. Form corps...alliances. why have game politics. Diplomats. Rediculous. If people want in pc. Earn their way in. If you 10 person corp wants a district. Form a bigger corp. Train them and fight your way in. Or join a larger corp and prove your good enough . Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5495	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:10:00 - [27] - Quote Roman837 wrote: When was the last time this person was in a PC? Please talk to us. Not them. That is what I am asking. Discuss it with the players it involves! Note the feedback threads where CCP is soliciting feedback form the players. But rather do that, you're persisting in fostering a drama llama in GD. Go participate in the feedback threads in a competent way, or stop crying about not being listened to. Don't give homes to drama llamas. Just don't. Roman837 wrote: We already have a chat formed. We had a very long meeting on it last night. We are all in agreement. And by we I mean the leaders of the corps currently in pc. Nobody cares about your chat channel. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5495	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:11:00 - [28] - Quote Roman837 wrote: So....should ccp reset eve? Who cares how hard the players who currently play have worked to get that far....let's accommodate the other people. If people want in pc. They work for it. It's a game mode of competitiveness. Should the NFL allow in every team who can field players into their league? Make changes to accommodate the people not in it? Why even have pc then. Why grind and become known in this game. Why work hard. Form corps...alliances. why have game politics. Diplomats. Rediculous. If people want in pc. Earn their way in. If you 10 person corp wants a district. Form a bigger corp. Train them and fight your way in. Or join a larger corp and prove your good enough . And in this post, you did prove your true goals. To remain atop your fictional castle, and keep the dirty peasants out. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Moorian Flav 303	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:16:00 - [29] - Quote Planetary Conquest is an extremely competitive and unforgiving multiplayer mode. That's why some like it and why most do not. If you totally change PC where most of those that currently play PC will no longer want to play PC, then that's a severe risk because you'll be betting on mostly new people to come in to replace them which may not happen at this point. Of course, even that point may be invalid at this point as a fraction of the current community that play PC already have plans to move onto other games. I don't troll; I tell the truth. I'm also known as "The ANTI-Propaganda Machine".
sir RAVEN WING MONSTER SYNERGY 2710	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:18:00 - [30] - Quote I'm not allowed into PC no matter what corp I join... Because I use ADV mods on a PRO suit with a PRO weapon. That and they are not in PC because all the big corps knock them out of it. I can't join those for PC because I have no mic and that is something everyone requires. Sigh Besides, I haven't been there much. Just studying facts on PC from starmap. "Fuck Your Proto" - Random words I'm not afraid of death, my corporation is.

Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 803	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:18:00 - [31] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Roman837 wrote: When was the last time this person was in a PC? Please talk to us. Not them. That is what I am asking. Discuss it with the players it involves! Note the feedback threads where CCP is soliciting feedback form the players. But rather do that, you're persisting in fostering a drama llama in GD. Go participate in the feedback threads in a competent way, or stop crying about not being listened to. Don't give homes to drama llamas. Just don't. Roman837 wrote: We already have a chat formed. We had a very long meeting on it last night. We are all in agreement. And by we I mean the leaders of the corps currently in pc. Nobody cares about your chat channel. No body cares about our chat channel? So the 40 CEOs and big names in pc don't matter? You're on glue. What will ccp do when we boycott pc? Or we all say **** it. We're out. We are the ones playing this game as it's intended. Full out Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5495	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:21:00 - [32] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: Planetary Conquest is an extremely competitive and unforgiving multiplayer mode. That's why some like it and why most do not. If you totally change PC where most of those that currently play PC will no longer want to play PC, then that's a severe risk because you'll be betting on mostly new people to come in to replace them which may not happen at this point. Of course, even that point may be invalid at this point as a fraction of the current community that play PC already have plans to move onto other games. If they're so competitive, they should be dying to prove how much they can accomplish under a new set of rules as well. PC is unforgiving. So PC players need to put on their big boy pants and stop crying about it. I fully want to ensure PC is still rewarding at the top end. But people expecting to own 20% of MH should probably reset their expectations, because we want more than five groups to fit in Molden Heath. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Moorian Flav 303	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:22:00 - [33] - Quote Quote: If they're so competitive, they should be dying to prove how much they can accomplish under a new set of rules as well. PC is unforgiving. So PC players need to put on their big boy pants and stop crying about it. I fully want to ensure PC is still rewarding at the top end. But people expecting to own 20% of MH should probably reset their expectations, because we want more than five groups to fit in Molden Heath. I think the feedback from those who have actually spent time in PC should carry more weight than those who have barely participated in PC. After all, you need to squad and actually use teamwork and corp management to survive in PC; something most players and corps do not know much about. I don't troll; I tell the truth. I'm also known as "The ANTI-Propaganda Machine".
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5495	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:25:00 - [34] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: I think the feedback from those who have actually spent time in PC should carry more weight than those who have barely participated in PC. After all, you need to squad and actually use teamwork and corp management to survive in PC; something most players and corps do not know much about. Absolutely nothing is stopping Roman from participating in the feedback threads. Nothing. Well, except for the fact that Rattati expects arguments based on logic and not QQ. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 806	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:26:00 - [35] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: I'm not allowed into PC no matter what corp I join... Because I use ADV mods on a PRO suit with a PRO weapon. That and they are not in PC because all the big corps knock them out of it. I can't join those for PC because I have no mic and that is something everyone requires. Sigh Besides, I haven't been there much. Just studying facts on PC from starmap. What sport do you follow so I can use the proper analogy go explain this to you. **** it. I'll explain it using many. Should everyone who can throw a foot ball be in the NFL? Join a Better Corp and increase your teams skills using factional warfare. And then play against other equal skilled corps when you join pc. We have a last district rule and give away dozens of districts. You need not fear bigger corps. If one picks on you. ..we sort then out as a community. You openly admit to not wearing full proto in pc. So...In hockey...that's be like allowing your goalie to play without using his stick or catcher glove. Your effectively down a player. You chose not to use a mic? Or don't have one. This game is about communication and adapting based on that communication. If I say...hey who is that on Charlie. ..and its you....how can I know in planetary conquest when your letter is being pushed and by who. If it's a tank I'll send a. If it's an amarr scout it won't send Jade. We need to know where yiu are and what you see. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5785	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:27:00 - [36] - Quote Has CCP put out their changes yet? Resetting timers doesn't seem like a big deal. It doesn't seem like a big deal if all the districts get pulled. Removing timers altogether would be epically stupid, but I haven't seen CCP actually say they are even considering this. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Sir Snugglz Red Star. 1150	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:28:00 - [37] - Quote I have the solution! Remove PC, bring back corp battles. No PC = No PC problems = happiness -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5495	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:29:00 - [38] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Has CCP put out their changes yet? Resetting timers doesn't seem like a big deal. It doesn't seem like a big deal if all the districts get reset either. Removing timers altogether would be epically stupid, but I haven't seen CCP actually say they are even considering this. The timers thread in the Feedback board discusses options Rattati has heard suggested and may be considering. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5785	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:29:00 - [39] - Quote Roman837 wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: I'm not allowed into PC no matter what corp I join... Because I use ADV mods on a PRO suit with a PRO weapon. That and they are not in PC because all the big corps knock them out of it. I can't join those for PC because I have no mic and that is something everyone requires. Sigh Besides, I haven't been there much. Just studying facts on PC from starmap. What sport do you follow so I can use the proper analogy go explain this to you. **** it. I'll explain it using many. Should everyone who can throw a foot ball be in the NFL? Join a Better Corp and increase your teams skills using factional warfare. And then play against other equal skilled corps when you join pc. We have a last district rule and give away dozens of districts. You need not fear bigger corps. If one picks on you. ..we sort then out as a community. You openly admit to not wearing full proto in pc. So...In hockey...that's be like allowing your goalie to play without using his stick or catcher glove. Your effectively down a player. You chose not to use a mic? Or don't have one. This game is about communication and adapting based on that communication. If I say...hey who is that on Charlie. ..and its you....how can I know in planetary conquest when your letter is being pushed and by who. If it's a tank I'll send a. If it's an amarr scout it won't send Jade. We need to know where yiu are and what you see. What if the NFL had a beta and the only time any players were able to play as a team prior to launch was in beta? Then even after the NFL was launched the only way to actually prepare for it was to play an NFL team. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5785	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:31:00 - [40] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Has CCP put out their changes yet? Resetting timers doesn't seem like a big deal. It doesn't seem like a big deal if all the districts get reset either. Removing timers altogether would be epically stupid, but I haven't seen CCP actually say they are even considering this. The timers thread in the Feedback board discusses options Rattati has heard suggested and may be considering. But there aren't any real mechanics discussed there. Just a method of setting timers. That doesn't change much of anything. If that's all that changed there wouldn't be any change in participation levels. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.

Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 806	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:33:00 - [41] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Moorian Flav wrote: I think the feedback from those who have actually spent time in PC should carry more weight than those who have barely participated in PC. After all, you need to squad and actually use teamwork and corp management to survive in PC; something most players and corps do not know much about. Absolutely nothing is stopping Roman from participating in the feedback threads. Nothing. Well, except for the fact that Rattati expects arguments based on logic and not QQ. and absolutely nothing is stopping you or your corp from being in planetary conquest. Other then the fact that your junk. And this is your way of QQing. Ruining it for us that have worked so hard to get where we're at. CCP. PLEASE RESPOND AND JOIN OUR CHAT. we are sorry we don't post all the time in feedback. We're to busy playing your game. We do how ever...have lots of feedback. Just you chose to listen to idiots like this cpm who talks out his ass Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Moorian Flav 304	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:34:00 - [42] - Quote Quote: Absolutely nothing is stopping Roman from participating in the feedback threads. Nothing. Last night during a PC match, a fellow player said he tried adding feedback to one of the PC feedback posts but he felt there was just too many garbage posts (idle chatter or way of base) to sift through. Besides, great posts are often ignored and/or lost in garbage posts. Also, there are a few in the community that post, post again, and reply to themselves that are burying posts from those that don't have all day to spend on the forums. I don't troll; I tell the truth. I'm also known as "The ANTI-Propaganda Machine".
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5495	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:35:00 - [43] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Has CCP put out their changes yet? Resetting timers doesn't seem like a big deal. It doesn't seem like a big deal if all the districts get reset either. Removing timers altogether would be epically stupid, but I haven't seen CCP actually say they are even considering this. The timers thread in the Feedback board discusses options Rattati has heard suggested and may be considering. But there aren't any real mechanics discussed there. Just a method of setting timers. That doesn't change much of anything. If that's all that changed there wouldn't be any change in participation levels. Well, that's just one of several parts. Changing timer behavior removes exploits used to protect giant empires and prevent people from fighting back. Note there's another thread on rewards/payout for PC, and one for minimum participation thresholds to prevent one-man alt corps. Then it's already been stated that corp war barges will create clone packs for free, which corps can use to get cheap practice or attacks in. These sorts of changes to the base system are probably required before we can go further. Though the raiding concept without the 24 hour timer I think is probably a huge concept to push for, and I like ideas proposed about war barges having a location on the map, and range and location mattering. But all of that can't be built on a broken platform, which is why I am supporting things like locking down the timers to prevent abusive play. First remove the features that don't work, then introduce new features that do. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3741	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:36:00 - [44] - Quote All feedback is welcome, as long as is reasonable, there is no need to lock an already "locked" game mode. Idk your opinion on what PC should be, but having the largest feedback possible is always better for the game, CCP can decide if a feedback is valuable or not and i'm sure that they know who is more active and who is less. No need to trash some good ideas only because they come from less experienced mercs. Situational awareness also known as passive scan. Minmatar omni-merc
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 275	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:46:00 - [45] - Quote Given the current mechanics are why some people don't play PC, their input in what would make it interesting/accessible would seem valid (and what Rattati is after)
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5785	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:48:00 - [46] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Has CCP put out their changes yet? Resetting timers doesn't seem like a big deal. It doesn't seem like a big deal if all the districts get reset either. Removing timers altogether would be epically stupid, but I haven't seen CCP actually say they are even considering this. The timers thread in the Feedback board discusses options Rattati has heard suggested and may be considering. But there aren't any real mechanics discussed there. Just a method of setting timers. That doesn't change much of anything. If that's all that changed there wouldn't be any change in participation levels. Well, that's just one of several parts. Changing timer behavior removes exploits used to protect giant empires and prevent people from fighting back. Note there's another thread on rewards/payout for PC, and one for minimum participation thresholds to prevent one-man alt corps. Then it's already been stated that corp war barges will create clone packs for free, which corps can use to get cheap practice or attacks in. These sorts of changes to the base system are probably required before we can go further. Though the raiding concept without the 24 hour timer I think is probably a huge concept to push for, and I like ideas proposed about war barges having a location on the map, and range and location mattering. But all of that can't be built on a broken platform, which is why I am supporting things like locking down the timers to prevent abusive play. First remove the features that don't work, then introduce new features that do. That part of the timer mechanic isn't what allows SMALL empires to crush out the competition. Giant empires aren't a thing. When the big boys come to play there isn't anything large about it. Even at it's height TSO's had maybe 6 or 7 teams. Most people in the alliance aren't interested, and it's not different anywhere else. If OH, TP, FA, and AE got back in the swing of things at full power there's less than a 100 people there that could wipe out everything on the map. And nobody could do anything about it not because of a timer or an exploit. They just simply can't beat them. Stacking timers is the only hope someone has to try and get down to the lesser teams. In this situation there are plenty of corps that are willing to help them in their evil plans so they provide assistance thinking it will bring them some favor at a later date. (this paragraph is to provide context, please don't be offended if your corp can beat any of those listed) It's the notice that gives them all the power. Giving people the ability and the incentive to use the best 16 ISK can buy to do their bidding. The notice gives people this ability. If you go the other direction and remove them all together then it'll be hoards of dudes that beg for ISK in local chat left to fight in PC because all the vets will be gone. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15166	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:53:00 - [47] - Quote shaman oga wrote: No need to trash some good ideas only because they come from less experienced mercs. Thing is, they're not trashing good ideas. I read the PC feedback stickies top to bottom and there was at most one good idea, while others either made me cringe at how awful it was or simply made things even worse than they already are. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5495	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:00:00 - [48] - Quote Thor, stacking timers at best just makes the next 16 relevant, or the next 16 relevant. Stacking timers is not a useful methodology for good gameplay. It still means you will always be grabbing the best possible available people at the time. It's still very exclusionary. Mass attacks are a casualty of the existing bad game design. We need a game design that doesn't need mass attacking to make progress. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5786	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:03:00 - [49] - Quote Atiim wrote: shaman oga wrote: No need to trash some good ideas only because they come from less experienced mercs. Thing is, they're not trashing good ideas. I read the PC feedback stickies top to bottom and there was at most one good idea, while others either made me cringe at how awful it was or simply made things even worse than they already are. A lot of PC people that comment on my posts think mine lean too much toward the casual player, but I've yet to talk to anyone on comms that didn't end up seeing where I was coming from. The problem with PC players is that after they win 5 matches in a row they think they are 10 feet tall. They think nothing is wrong with the mechanics and everyone should do what they did. I've seen very few posts from PC corps that brings any suggestions of how to make PC more accessible. That's what CCP wants and that is understandable. The bar is going to be lower, that much we can count on. I think it's too late though. The PC crowd far too many times blamed the resolve of the playerbase instead of the crappy mechanics. It's like being really, really good at a game that nobody wants to play. It might not be because you are so great, it might just be a broken game. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 807	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:03:00 - [50] - Quote This game will die if you take away our competitiveness. Or...it may aswell die as we PC players are the ones most active and funding this game. We are keeping our players logging on. We are doing it. The CEOS of the active pc corps. Not the cpm. We provide our guys content...which keeps then logging on. News flash we create fake wars and drama...just so our guys keep playing and are interested. We are holding on by mere threads. This idiot arguing with me is the scissors that's about to cut that thread. How fun will pc be when we are all gone. Literally. All of us. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5786	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:05:00 - [51] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Thor, stacking timers at best just makes the next 16 relevant, or the next 16 relevant. Stacking timers is not a useful methodology for good gameplay. It still means you will always be grabbing the best possible available people at the time. It's still very exclusionary. Mass attacks are a casualty of the existing bad game design. We need a game design that doesn't need mass attacking to make progress. But 24 hour notice makes the organized mass attack possible. It's the only alternative if you don't have 16 better than their 16, hence the stagnation of PC. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 807	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:06:00 - [52] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Thor, stacking timers at best just makes the next 16 relevant, or the next 16 relevant. Stacking timers is not a useful methodology for good gameplay. It still means you will always be grabbing the best possible available people at the time. It's still very exclusionary. Mass attacks are a casualty of the existing bad game design. We need a game design that doesn't need mass attacking to make progress. What? What! So...eliminate the need for alliances just because your a horrible diplomat and are butt hurt your corp never amounted to anything? The fear of being mass attacked and the ability to organize one makes this game exciting. I have been on the offense and defence. Won and lost. Wiped people out and have been wiped out. Remove that element and we may aswell pub stomp. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5788	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:10:00 - [53] - Quote Roman837 wrote: This game will die if you take away our competitiveness. Or...it may aswell die as we PC players are the ones most active and funding this game. We are keeping our players logging on. We are doing it. The CEOS of the active pc corps. Not the cpm. We provide our guys content...which keeps then logging on. News flash we create fake wars and drama...just so our guys keep playing and are interested. We are holding on by mere threads. This idiot arguing with me is the scissors that's about to cut that thread. How fun will pc be when we are all gone. Literally. All of us. Roman, you don't have to take away the competitiveness of PC to open the game up to more people. They dropped the ball in not giving players a way to team deploy outside of PC. From the start the gamemode was heavily rigged in the favor of beta players with all the experience. By that time most of the talent had pooled. Then even more so as corps failed and the talent kept getting more condensed. Then you had a ton of people quit altogether. Now we are here with a tiny, tiny portion of the player base with all this talent, SP, ISK, and experience. It's in CCP's best interest for more players to get a taste of that. They have to do something to make it accessible to them. I STILL don't see anybody heavily involved in PC offering up suggestions to grow the level of participation in PC. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5788	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:13:00 - [54] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Thor, stacking timers at best just makes the next 16 relevant, or the next 16 relevant. Stacking timers is not a useful methodology for good gameplay. It still means you will always be grabbing the best possible available people at the time. It's still very exclusionary. Mass attacks are a casualty of the existing bad game design. We need a game design that doesn't need mass attacking to make progress. What? What! So...eliminate the need for alliances just because your a horrible diplomat and are butt hurt your corp never amounted to anything? The fear of being mass attacked and the ability to organize one makes this game exciting. I have been on the offense and defence. Won and lost. Wiped people out and have been wiped out. Remove that element and we may aswell pub stomp. They aren't doing anything that would remove that ability to mass attack and give people time to get the best 16 online for each of the battles. That's what I don't get about the suggestions for the timers. Even if it's randomized, the people that have all the districts now will have all the districts then. You'll just pick 4 of the timers that are together and stack those. It changes nothing. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5497	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:14:00 - [55] - Quote Roman837 wrote: This game will die if you take away our competitiveness. Or...it may aswell die as we PC players are the ones most active and funding this game. We are keeping our players logging on. We are doing it. The CEOS of the active pc corps. Not the cpm. We provide our guys content...which keeps then logging on. News flash we create fake wars and drama...just so our guys keep playing and are interested. We are holding on by mere threads. This idiot arguing with me is the scissors that's about to cut that thread. How fun will pc be when we are all gone. Literally. All of us. Nobody's "taking away your competitiveness". If you're as good as you say, you'll thrive in the new system. And again, nobody but yourself is excluding your feedback, because you're still making drama in GD instead of posting in the feedback thread. Thor Odinson42 wrote: But 24 hour notice makes the organized mass attack possible. It's the only alternative if you don't have 16 better than their 16, hence the stagnation of PC. And that is something that we need to fix. Ensuring that there are other ways to wear down a team, and combat options that don't require 24 hour notice (raiding). Trying to keep a bad system like changing timers just for mass attacks is a bad idea. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 807	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:17:00 - [56] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Roman837 wrote: This game will die if you take away our competitiveness. Or...it may aswell die as we PC players are the ones most active and funding this game. We are keeping our players logging on. We are doing it. The CEOS of the active pc corps. Not the cpm. We provide our guys content...which keeps then logging on. News flash we create fake wars and drama...just so our guys keep playing and are interested. We are holding on by mere threads. This idiot arguing with me is the scissors that's about to cut that thread. How fun will pc be when we are all gone. Literally. All of us. Roman, you don't have to take away the competitiveness of PC to open the game up to more people. They dropped the ball in not giving players a way to team deploy outside of PC. From the start the gamemode was heavily rigged in the favor of beta players with all the experience. By that time most of the talent had pooled. Then even more so as corps failed and the talent kept getting more condensed. Then you had a ton of people quit altogether. Now we are here with a tiny, tiny portion of the player base with all this talent, SP, ISK, and experience. It's in CCP's best interest for more players to get a taste of that. They have to do something to make it accessible to them. I STILL don't see anybody heavily involved in PC offering up suggestions to grow the level of participation in PC. Best advice to get people into pc. Practice. Train. Become the best you can be. Apply to a corp involved in pc...or form one yourself and recruit. It it should not be easy to get into pc. You have to earn your way. If we just allow everyone in...well what's the point. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 3181	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:21:00 - [57] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Ku Shala wrote: input from the PC community is important but the exclusiveness of pc is one of the problems with it. opinions from all sides are valuable at this point since pc mechanics will be entirely different from what they are now. This. Second response to the thread nailed it. Roman, we want a lot more than just the current PC crowd to enjoy PC. It's not going to work to just build a new PC based on Kane's feedback and your feedback. Designs that exclude a lot of other corps aren't going to fly, and the experiences of people who were pushed out of PC or stopped playing PC are actually a lot more valuable than the current PC crowd in determining where the design for PC went wrong. jane stalin wrote: My apologies , can someone tell me where these proporsed changes to PC are being discussed? I can only see references to timers. There's multiple threads on proposed PC changes in the Feedback and Ideas board. Yes because PC was launched based on information given from the competitive DUST community before? Not.... The average vet PC player isn't looking for exclusivity... That is what most of us have spent large amount of time posting and trying to make a similar point accross to CPM and CCP. We even have tried to Invite CCP officials into PC matches and run strategies and tactics in matches with them for a few weeks so they can get an objective look at what we have been stuck with for years. We even spent the time to form an alliance and take over Molden Heath before fanfest to push CCP to fix a mechanic that would allow a small group of players to completely dominate... PC players WANT the competitive game mode in DUST to be pushed... We want players to have aspirations to play and compete in an organized and coordinated team environment. We want players that understand the basics of the game BEFORE they are put in general population... So we then can recruit and train them... Without having to spend hours just trying to explain how the game works PER player. We have spent hundreds of Post's pleading with CPM and CCP alike to push a competitive game mode that aspires mercenaries to improve and play beyond a simple pub. What we have got is outside competitive player circle opinions on how PC should work and be changed the entire life of DUST... Competitive players want competition.... Just to make sure you guys know.... The ones who aren't competitive just want an easy win.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5499	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:21:00 - [58] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Best advice to get people into pc. Practice. Train. Become the best you can be. Apply to a corp involved in pc...or form one yourself and recruit. It it should not be easy to get into pc. You have to earn your way. If we just allow everyone in...well what's the point. If nobody got it yet, Roman's interested in retaining the status quo. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 808	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:23:00 - [59] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Roman837 wrote: This game will die if you take away our competitiveness. Or...it may aswell die as we PC players are the ones most active and funding this game. We are keeping our players logging on. We are doing it. The CEOS of the active pc corps. Not the cpm. We provide our guys content...which keeps then logging on. News flash we create fake wars and drama...just so our guys keep playing and are interested. We are holding on by mere threads. This idiot arguing with me is the scissors that's about to cut that thread. How fun will pc be when we are all gone. Literally. All of us. Nobody's "taking away your competitiveness". If you're as good as you say, you'll thrive in the new system. And again, nobody but yourself is excluding your feedback, because you're still making drama in GD instead of posting in the feedback thread. Thor Odinson42 wrote: But 24 hour notice makes the organized mass attack possible. It's the only alternative if you don't have 16 better than their 16, hence the stagnation of PC. And that is something that we need to fix. Ensuring that there are other ways to wear down a team, and combat options that don't require 24 hour notice (raiding). Trying to keep a bad system like changing timers just for mass attacks is a bad idea. So I'm posting on the wrong thread. My bad. I play this game. I really enjoy it. I don't read any of the changes. I usually just adapt. And I'm dam good at adapting. But when my players send me mails. And they say "yo go read what that bafoon is typing on the forums. Those changes are gonna hurt us" dam right I go look. I post in the war room. That is where war fighting happens. That is where posts about planetary conquest happen. I don't care about weapon and suit stats. Give us all lil fluffy feathers that do tickle damage. I'm fine with it. I'll organize a team and out tickle the opponents. But try to limit how we play...and take away our corps power to set our own timers.... well now your messing with our game. I am a PC player. Not a stat and game mechanics on forums follower. You are not a pc player. I won't comment on stats....you shouldn't comment on pc. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5789	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:24:00 - [60] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Roman837 wrote: This game will die if you take away our competitiveness. Or...it may aswell die as we PC players are the ones most active and funding this game. We are keeping our players logging on. We are doing it. The CEOS of the active pc corps. Not the cpm. We provide our guys content...which keeps then logging on. News flash we create fake wars and drama...just so our guys keep playing and are interested. We are holding on by mere threads. This idiot arguing with me is the scissors that's about to cut that thread. How fun will pc be when we are all gone. Literally. All of us. Nobody's "taking away your competitiveness". If you're as good as you say, you'll thrive in the new system. And again, nobody but yourself is excluding your feedback, because you're still making drama in GD instead of posting in the feedback thread. Thor Odinson42 wrote: But 24 hour notice makes the organized mass attack possible. It's the only alternative if you don't have 16 better than their 16, hence the stagnation of PC. And that is something that we need to fix. Ensuring that there are other ways to wear down a team, and combat options that don't require 24 hour notice (raiding). Trying to keep a bad system like changing timers just for mass attacks is a bad idea. The only way the raiding system works is if NOT maintaining those districts (no showing) leads to real attacks being possible right away. If this is possible then a Faction Warfare Army could have 200 people online raiding the crap out people's districts and probably get some land out of it. They wouldn't be able to hold it very long, but it would provide an avenue for players to get a taste of PC. I think new corps would spawn from these initial "zerg fest" corps that would want more. I still think that regular attacks should happen right then and there. 30 minute notice. But the window timers are set to your prime time. Your guys that want to get on the PC team are defending against raids and proving themselves. Your PC team is in the PC chat getting ready to attack and BAM someone attacks them. One of the squad leaders is dropping from the A team to FC the B team to attack while the A team defends. It's all the same, you are in your chats doing PC stuff anyway. You are just handling things right away instead of 24 hour planning. It removes the part that many people hate the most, the waiting in the PC chat for 30 minutes to not get picked up. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16729	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:27:00 - [61] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Roman837 wrote: This game will die if you take away our competitiveness. Or...it may aswell die as we PC players are the ones most active and funding this game. We are keeping our players logging on. We are doing it. The CEOS of the active pc corps. Not the cpm. We provide our guys content...which keeps then logging on. News flash we create fake wars and drama...just so our guys keep playing and are interested. We are holding on by mere threads. This idiot arguing with me is the scissors that's about to cut that thread. How fun will pc be when we are all gone. Literally. All of us. Nobody's "taking away your competitiveness". If you're as good as you say, you'll thrive in the new system. And again, nobody but yourself is excluding your feedback, because you're still making drama in GD instead of posting in the feedback thread. Thor Odinson42 wrote: But 24 hour notice makes the organized mass attack possible. It's the only alternative if you don't have 16 better than their 16, hence the stagnation of PC. And that is something that we need to fix. Ensuring that there are other ways to wear down a team, and combat options that don't require 24 hour notice (raiding). Trying to keep a bad system like changing timers just for mass attacks is a bad idea. So I'm posting on the wrong thread. My bad. I play this game. I really enjoy it. I don't read any of the changes. I usually just adapt. And I'm dam good at adapting. But when my players send me mails. And they say "yo go read what that bafoon is typing on the forums. Those changes are gonna hurt us" dam right I go look. I post in the war room. That is where war fighting happens. That is where posts about planetary conquest happen. I don't care about weapon and suit stats. Give us all lil fluffy feathers that do tickle damage. I'm fine with it. I'll organize a team and out tickle the opponents. But try to limit how we play...and take away our corps power to set our own timers.... well now your messing with our game. I am a PC player. Not a stat and game mechanics on forums follower. You are not a pc player. I won't comment on stats....you shouldn't comment on pc. There is no "War" being fought in Dust and there never has been. Pretending like there is when you are only available to be attacked by one opponent at a time for x minutes a day in arbitrary 16 vs 16 matches is not "War" its a skirmish at a predetermined time against an actually competitive team. There's no locality, no war economy, you fight over a system in the ass end of nowhere....... the most interesting thing that ever happened to PC was that for a time God's Architect bothered to write a contextual story for your battles. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 808	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:27:00 - [62] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Roman837 wrote: Best advice to get people into pc. Practice. Train. Become the best you can be. Apply to a corp involved in pc...or form one yourself and recruit. It it should not be easy to get into pc. You have to earn your way. If we just allow everyone in...well what's the point. If nobody got it yet, Roman's interested in retaining the status quo. If no body gets it yet. ..This guy couldn't handle the status quo. And is pushing for something that may allow him in...temporarily. then he will change it again go suit him. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5789	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:28:00 - [63] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Roman837 wrote: This game will die if you take away our competitiveness. Or...it may aswell die as we PC players are the ones most active and funding this game. We are keeping our players logging on. We are doing it. The CEOS of the active pc corps. Not the cpm. We provide our guys content...which keeps then logging on. News flash we create fake wars and drama...just so our guys keep playing and are interested. We are holding on by mere threads. This idiot arguing with me is the scissors that's about to cut that thread. How fun will pc be when we are all gone. Literally. All of us. Roman, you don't have to take away the competitiveness of PC to open the game up to more people. They dropped the ball in not giving players a way to team deploy outside of PC. From the start the gamemode was heavily rigged in the favor of beta players with all the experience. By that time most of the talent had pooled. Then even more so as corps failed and the talent kept getting more condensed. Then you had a ton of people quit altogether. Now we are here with a tiny, tiny portion of the player base with all this talent, SP, ISK, and experience. It's in CCP's best interest for more players to get a taste of that. They have to do something to make it accessible to them. I STILL don't see anybody heavily involved in PC offering up suggestions to grow the level of participation in PC. Best advice to get people into pc. Practice. Train. Become the best you can be. Apply to a corp involved in pc...or form one yourself and recruit. It it should not be easy to get into pc. You have to earn your way. If we just allow everyone in...well what's the point. But that hasn't worked. FFS people don't even squad up. Pubs are filled will solo players. We are a LONG way from getting the masses into PC. It doesn't matter what changes they bring we are all going to be dominating those players in PC for a LONG time. But bringing about some mechanics they can use with numbers to have some temporary success is better for PC in the end. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 808	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:30:00 - [64] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Roman837 wrote: This game will die if you take away our competitiveness. Or...it may aswell die as we PC players are the ones most active and funding this game. We are keeping our players logging on. We are doing it. The CEOS of the active pc corps. Not the cpm. We provide our guys content...which keeps then logging on. News flash we create fake wars and drama...just so our guys keep playing and are interested. We are holding on by mere threads. This idiot arguing with me is the scissors that's about to cut that thread. How fun will pc be when we are all gone. Literally. All of us. Nobody's "taking away your competitiveness". If you're as good as you say, you'll thrive in the new system. And again, nobody but yourself is excluding your feedback, because you're still making drama in GD instead of posting in the feedback thread. Thor Odinson42 wrote: But 24 hour notice makes the organized mass attack possible. It's the only alternative if you don't have 16 better than their 16, hence the stagnation of PC. And that is something that we need to fix. Ensuring that there are other ways to wear down a team, and combat options that don't require 24 hour notice (raiding). Trying to keep a bad system like changing timers just for mass attacks is a bad idea. The only way the raiding system works is if NOT maintaining those districts (no showing) leads to real attacks being possible right away. If this is possible then a Faction Warfare Army could have 200 people online raiding the crap out people's districts and probably get some land out of it. They wouldn't be able to hold it very long, but it would provide an avenue for players to get a taste of PC. I think new corps would spawn from these initial "zerg fest" corps that would want more. I still think that regular attacks should happen right then and there. 30 minute notice. But the window timers are set to your prime time. Your guys that want to get on the PC team are defending against raids and proving themselves. Your PC team is in the PC chat getting ready to attack and BAM someone attacks them. One of the squad leaders is dropping from the A team to FC the B team to attack while the A team defends. It's all the same, you are in your chats doing PC stuff anyway. You are just handling things right away instead of 24 hour planning. It removes the part that many people hate the most, the waiting in the PC chat for 30 minutes to not get picked up. So you want to force your pc players to be online every single day waiting to be attacked? I'd rather know the attacks in 24 hours...that way I know and my players know that the next night is fight night yiu can make plans...In RL. .and in game to accommodate. Or...that one night yiu don't log on..your team folds Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5793	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:36:00 - [65] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Roman837 wrote: This game will die if you take away our competitiveness. Or...it may aswell die as we PC players are the ones most active and funding this game. We are keeping our players logging on. We are doing it. The CEOS of the active pc corps. Not the cpm. We provide our guys content...which keeps then logging on. News flash we create fake wars and drama...just so our guys keep playing and are interested. We are holding on by mere threads. This idiot arguing with me is the scissors that's about to cut that thread. How fun will pc be when we are all gone. Literally. All of us. Nobody's "taking away your competitiveness". If you're as good as you say, you'll thrive in the new system. And again, nobody but yourself is excluding your feedback, because you're still making drama in GD instead of posting in the feedback thread. Thor Odinson42 wrote: But 24 hour notice makes the organized mass attack possible. It's the only alternative if you don't have 16 better than their 16, hence the stagnation of PC. And that is something that we need to fix. Ensuring that there are other ways to wear down a team, and combat options that don't require 24 hour notice (raiding). Trying to keep a bad system like changing timers just for mass attacks is a bad idea. The only way the raiding system works is if NOT maintaining those districts (no showing) leads to real attacks being possible right away. If this is possible then a Faction Warfare Army could have 200 people online raiding the crap out people's districts and probably get some land out of it. They wouldn't be able to hold it very long, but it would provide an avenue for players to get a taste of PC. I think new corps would spawn from these initial "zerg fest" corps that would want more. I still think that regular attacks should happen right then and there. 30 minute notice. But the window timers are set to your prime time. Your guys that want to get on the PC team are defending against raids and proving themselves. Your PC team is in the PC chat getting ready to attack and BAM someone attacks them. One of the squad leaders is dropping from the A team to FC the B team to attack while the A team defends. It's all the same, you are in your chats doing PC stuff anyway. You are just handling things right away instead of 24 hour planning. It removes the part that many people hate the most, the waiting in the PC chat for 30 minutes to not get picked up. So you want to force your pc players to be online every single day waiting to be attacked? I'd rather know the attacks in 24 hours...that way I know and my players know that the next night is fight night yiu can make plans...In RL. .and in game to accommodate. Or...that one night yiu don't log on..your team folds You are online anyway during your primetime. You set your two hour timers for your district to a time you feel is your prime time. Instead of dealing with battles that were initiated yesterday, you'd be fighting ones that were just sent. No more time commitment than now. Except it would cut down on a lot of the out of game communications necessary to coordinate things. It would cut down on the amount of land you could hold. I liked the idea of multipliers that increased when you successfully defended a district. It gives the ability for smaller more elite corps to make a smaller quantity of districts as valuable as holding a large percentage in the passive ISK days. There are ways to do this while keeping things competitive and not crowding out the entire community. One that would have to go to like 15 different websites, search for Dev posts and still not have all the information on how PC actually works. One that doesn't have any ability whatsover to perform any meaningful training. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5796	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:48:00 - [66] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Roman837 wrote: This game will die if you take away our competitiveness. Or...it may aswell die as we PC players are the ones most active and funding this game. We are keeping our players logging on. We are doing it. The CEOS of the active pc corps. Not the cpm. We provide our guys content...which keeps then logging on. News flash we create fake wars and drama...just so our guys keep playing and are interested. We are holding on by mere threads. This idiot arguing with me is the scissors that's about to cut that thread. How fun will pc be when we are all gone. Literally. All of us. Nobody's "taking away your competitiveness". If you're as good as you say, you'll thrive in the new system. And again, nobody but yourself is excluding your feedback, because you're still making drama in GD instead of posting in the feedback thread. Thor Odinson42 wrote: But 24 hour notice makes the organized mass attack possible. It's the only alternative if you don't have 16 better than their 16, hence the stagnation of PC. And that is something that we need to fix. Ensuring that there are other ways to wear down a team, and combat options that don't require 24 hour notice (raiding). Trying to keep a bad system like changing timers just for mass attacks is a bad idea. The only way the raiding system works is if NOT maintaining those districts (no showing) leads to real attacks being possible right away. If this is possible then a Faction Warfare Army could have 200 people online raiding the crap out people's districts and probably get some land out of it. They wouldn't be able to hold it very long, but it would provide an avenue for players to get a taste of PC. I think new corps would spawn from these initial "zerg fest" corps that would want more. I still think that regular attacks should happen right then and there. 30 minute notice. But the window timers are set to your prime time. Your guys that want to get on the PC team are defending against raids and proving themselves. Your PC team is in the PC chat getting ready to attack and BAM someone attacks them. One of the squad leaders is dropping from the A team to FC the B team to attack while the A team defends. It's all the same, you are in your chats doing PC stuff anyway. You are just handling things right away instead of 24 hour planning. It removes the part that many people hate the most, the waiting in the PC chat for 30 minutes to not get picked up. So you want to force your pc players to be online every single day waiting to be attacked? I'd rather know the attacks in 24 hours...that way I know and my players know that the next night is fight night yiu can make plans...In RL. .and in game to accommodate. Or...that one night yiu don't log on..your team folds I think something like what I'm talking about forces a player like yourself and Hawkin to delegate more. You'd simply have to. If you had to, everyone would have to. It would just change things. More players would be absolutely necessary. People would have to learn to FC and squad lead. These changes force everyone to include more players out of necessity. Until that happens PC will never expand, we'll always have this tiny little portion of the community doing all this high level stuff while dudes are soling pubs in dragonfly suits and PLCs. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Sir Snugglz Red Star. 1151	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:49:00 - [67] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Roman837 wrote: Best advice to get people into pc. Practice. Train. Become the best you can be. Apply to a corp involved in pc...or form one yourself and recruit. It it should not be easy to get into pc. You have to earn your way. If we just allow everyone in...well what's the point. If nobody got it yet, Roman's interested in retaining the status quo. If no body gets it yet. ..This guy couldn't handle the status quo. And is pushing for something that may allow him in...temporarily. then he will change it again go suit him. I remember one of the keynote's about the path to dust (legion) and how the sandbox was suppose to work sorta. The guy said the Everyone starts at the academy. There you learn the fundamentals of what dust is and play with different roles to decide what role you will follow (pilot, assault, scout, logi, etc). From there players would leave the academy and begin working as a mercenary in public contracts to "own" your skills and start earning some ISKies. Eventually you will be at a level to begin Faction Warfare where you will gain loyalty for desired faction and continue to get those last bit of skills and apply them SP and ISKies earned in public contracts. With enough time you well be ready for what is known as Planetary Conquest where proto-leveled players will join corporations and fight one another enhanced team based warfare with the assistance of their eve pilots/contractors for Molden Heath dominance risking millions of ISKies for the chance to earn Millions more ISKies. That was suppose to be the "sandbox" aspect of it. Everything was to prepare us for PC. In that sense I agree with roman that a mercenary who just created a character for the first time and earned a enough SP to start a corp should not be able to go straight into PC. Some corps are not ready for what it really is. PC isnt about getting 16 players and fielding them into a friendly fire expensive skirmish match. What seperates PC from the other game modes isnt the ISK reward or all proto teams. It's what goes on in the background. What people dont see going on. Organizing clones from different districts, learning about timers, locking, attacking, changing infranstructures, transport fees, transport clone loss, etc. There is no tutorial for this. The only way to learn is to experience it and for a noob CEO... you cant expect them to get right the first time or the 2nd or 3rd. And more than likely they will get discouraged to try a 4th. Not because of the ringers or the proto stomping, but because there is no way of easing corps into what is PC. Because of the blue donut and fight club, the community began to accept the philosophy that the only way to learn PC is to play PC. That is unacceptable. The same argument was made before the academy was implemented. The only way to learn to play skirmish, domination, or ambush was to experience it with high level players on the other side. I want new corps to join PC more than anyone. But I want them to be trained first before they come in. I believe this statement explains both points of views when it comes to getting noobs into PC. I hate to admit it but it isn't our job to teach game mechanics... and the one page explanation in the HELP section called STARMAP - CORPORATION is not enough to teach a new corp how to PC. Get rid of the mentality that PC is the only way to train for PC. Not how it works. -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 758	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:50:00 - [68] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I STILL don't see anybody heavily involved in PC offering up suggestions to grow the level of participation in PC. How about, stop me if you've heard this before, Expanding the boundaries of what we know as PC? Open our PC starmap to areas outside of Molden Heath, add couple hundred new systems and planets. Plenty of room for new folks to move in and discover the neighborhood. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 809	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:53:00 - [69] - Quote Bang on snuggles Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 758	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:53:00 - [70] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Roman837 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Thor, stacking timers at best just makes the next 16 relevant, or the next 16 relevant. Stacking timers is not a useful methodology for good gameplay. It still means you will always be grabbing the best possible available people at the time. It's still very exclusionary. Mass attacks are a casualty of the existing bad game design. We need a game design that doesn't need mass attacking to make progress. What? What! So...eliminate the need for alliances just because your a horrible diplomat and are butt hurt your corp never amounted to anything? The fear of being mass attacked and the ability to organize one makes this game exciting. I have been on the offense and defence. Won and lost. Wiped people out and have been wiped out. Remove that element and we may aswell pub stomp. They aren't doing anything that would remove that ability to mass attack and give people time to get the best 16 online for each of the battles. That's what I don't get about the suggestions for the timers. Even if it's randomized, the people that have all the districts now will have all the districts then. You'll just pick 4 of the timers that are together and stack those. It changes nothing. Pretty much. And then the region will be locked out even harder for new groups since once all the available timers in their region are gone they are SoL. "Advocating Against Your Own Interests" Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.

Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 3183	Posted - 2015.01.22 00:00:00 - [71] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: You are online anyway during your primetime. You set your two hour timers for your district to a time you feel is your prime time. Instead of dealing with battles that were initiated yesterday, you'd be fighting ones that were just sent. No more time commitment than now. Except it would cut down on a lot of the out of game communications necessary to coordinate things. It would cut down on the amount of land you could hold. I liked the idea of multipliers that increased when you successfully defended a district. It gives the ability for smaller more elite corps to make a smaller quantity of districts as valuable as holding a large percentage in the passive ISK days. There are ways to do this while keeping things competitive and not crowding out the entire community. One that would have to go to like 15 different websites, search for Dev posts and still not have all the information on how PC actually works. One that doesn't have any ability whatsover to perform any meaningful training. It won't cut down on the land you could hold.... That does not fit into how we build a PC corporation or alliance in anyway and makes no sense in any explanation and practicality. It will increase the amount of coordination and organizing you have to do not decrease..... Anyone that has lead or organized a PC or has been part of one can tell you this and it should be clear as day... For what? For the sake of "Attempting" to appeal a competitive game mode to a casual player? It's trying to address the symptoms of a problem... Not the problem. It's a classic CCP fix and should be making all kinds of bells and whistles go off in your head... But hey? maybe some people with very minimal experience can explain away why it would work in a practice they have no experience in... Most of us only have years of experience playing Corp battles, PC, Tournaments, Squad cup. what would they know? Players can zerg all they want... Ancient Exiles has spent MILLIONS paying for newer corps to PC sometimes 20+ attacks in a day.... The way PC corporations are setup, these corporations would never have a chance in this model still and CCP would waste stupid amounts of time to give us the same scenario with a slightly different frame. It's a sad un imaginative fix for a symptom of a problem, not the actual problem. Makes me sad.
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property 5780	Posted - 2015.01.22 00:01:00 - [72] - Quote Region lock is a terrible ******* idea. If you want them separated so badly then open up another region of space and throw them all in there - otherwise dividing what districts we have now will just force big corps who have less available land to pick on small corps. And soon they'll have even more reason to do that if the road-map is to be believed. Just stop while you're ahead. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 758	Posted - 2015.01.22 00:06:00 - [73] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Roman837 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Nobody's "taking away your competitiveness". If you're as good as you say, you'll thrive in the new system. And again, nobody but yourself is excluding your feedback, because you're still making drama in GD instead of posting in the feedback thread. Thor Odinson42 wrote: But 24 hour notice makes the organized mass attack possible. It's the only alternative if you don't have 16 better than their 16, hence the stagnation of PC. And that is something that we need to fix. Ensuring that there are other ways to wear down a team, and combat options that don't require 24 hour notice (raiding). Trying to keep a bad system like changing timers just for mass attacks is a bad idea. The only way the raiding system works is if NOT maintaining those districts (no showing) leads to real attacks being possible right away. If this is possible then a Faction Warfare Army could have 200 people online raiding the crap out people's districts and probably get some land out of it. They wouldn't be able to hold it very long, but it would provide an avenue for players to get a taste of PC. I think new corps would spawn from these initial "zerg fest" corps that would want more. I still think that regular attacks should happen right then and there. 30 minute notice. But the window timers are set to your prime time. Your guys that want to get on the PC team are defending against raids and proving themselves. Your PC team is in the PC chat getting ready to attack and BAM someone attacks them. One of the squad leaders is dropping from the A team to FC the B team to attack while the A team defends. It's all the same, you are in your chats doing PC stuff anyway. You are just handling things right away instead of 24 hour planning. It removes the part that many people hate the most, the waiting in the PC chat for 30 minutes to not get picked up. So you want to force your pc players to be online every single day waiting to be attacked? I'd rather know the attacks in 24 hours...that way I know and my players know that the next night is fight night yiu can make plans...In RL. .and in game to accommodate. Or...that one night yiu don't log on..your team folds I think something like what I'm talking about forces a player like yourself and Hawkin to delegate more. You'd simply have to. If you had to, everyone would have to. It would just change things. More players would be absolutely necessary. People would have to learn to FC and squad lead. These changes force everyone to include more players out of necessity. Until that happens PC will never expand, we'll always have this tiny little portion of the community doing all this high level stuff while dudes are soling pubs in dragonfly suits and PLCs. Hey!! You can say what you want about PC, timers, Rattati etc but DO NOT start in on my RandomBlueberry Dragonfly/PLC excursions! Some things MUST remain sacred!! Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1271	Posted - 2015.01.22 00:15:00 - [74] - Quote I have mainly only skimmed through this post but agree with Roman. This argument right here, the Competitive PvPers vs carebear PvPers is why EVE has a systems in place like High Sec, Low Sec and Null.... Soraya Xel - I'd really like you to walk into Null Sec and tell all the EVE Corps who have been holding and bottlenecking SOV Space for years. That they can no longer hold as much as they hold and that they are "Sitting on top of their fictional castle" and they they need to let some of the Highsec miners in for the fun.. Unless you have some grand idea to make PC appealing to all with out steeping on the already established corps you are only going to push this game further into its grave...
Sticky Nuts RND Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2015.01.22 00:19:00 - [75] - Quote CCP how do you propose new players can afford to play PC and what is the incentive to do so if they have no isk? Why not bring passive ISK back to PC so new corps can actually afford or want to afford it? Also how do you justify punishing the team that wins with this raid PC mode? win and lose money what are you president Obama now? losers win and winners get penalized?? come on this is not what the player base wants and all you are doing is forcing players to find new games to play.
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 816	Posted - 2015.01.22 00:39:00 - [76] - Quote Bethhy is absolutely correct. CCP. Meet with us on voice comms. Please. I will do my best to keep all known trolls out of the chat. It will be CEOS of active corps. We have the chat already. We love your game...your just being guided by people who have no clue what they are talking about Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7320	Posted - 2015.01.22 00:48:00 - [77] - Quote Sticky Nuts RND wrote: CCP how do you propose new players can afford to play PC and what is the incentive to do so if they have no isk? Why not bring passive ISK back to PC so new corps can actually afford or want to afford it? Also how do you justify punishing the team that wins with this raid PC mode? win and lose money what are you president Obama now? losers win and winners get penalized?? come on this is not what the player base wants and all you are doing is forcing players to find new games to play. Because the system was abused and resulted in a bunch of veterans who proto stomped noobs right out of this game. They locked their districts so they could have easy money with no risk. Or does my opinion not matter because I have never PC'd. Elitists like Roman are WHY I don't PC. They have their head so far up their ass they can't see straight, and they mistake the ability to play a game is not the same set of skills required to analyze an environment and give constructive feedback. I have seen relatively new players give great feedback regarding this game, regardless of their inexperience. Lastly, your NFL argument is flawed. Randy Moss may make the HoF, but he couldn't hold a candle to Belichek's knowledge of the game despite the fact he never played about Division III NCAA football. If you really want to give your feedback, don't act like there aren't ways to do so just because they didn't come to you directly. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5509	Posted - 2015.01.22 01:01:00 - [78] - Quote Roman837 wrote: So you want to force your pc players to be online every single day waiting to be attacked? I'd rather know the attacks in 24 hours...that way I know and my players know that the next night is fight night yiu can make plans...In RL. .and in game to accommodate. Or...that one night yiu don't log on..your team folds Hey look, I found something we agree on. I feel 24 hour notice is pretty critical to PC being truly competitive, and not just a "stuff disappears if you have real life come up". el OPERATOR wrote: How about, stop me if you've heard this before, Expanding the boundaries of what we know as PC? Open our PC starmap to areas outside of Molden Heath, add couple hundred new systems and planets. Plenty of room for new folks to move in and discover the neighborhood. Pointless. Just gives the empires more space to squat on, and doesn't actually help new players at all. SoTa PoP wrote: Region lock is a terrible ***** idea. Stop using inaccurate terms Kane made up when he gave you the speech on what to tell me on the forums. ;) bolsh lee wrote: Soraya Xel - I'd really like you to walk into Null Sec and tell all the EVE Corps who have been holding and bottlenecking SOV Space for years. That they can no longer hold as much as they hold and that they are "Sitting on top of their fictional castle" and that they need to let some of the Highsec miners in for the fun.. EVE's mechanics sorta work. And anyways, have you seen how much CCP has made nullseccers angry with jump drive changes recently? Sticky Nuts RND wrote:** CCP how do you propose new players can afford to play PC and what is the incentive to do so if they have no isk? Why not bring passive ISK back to PC so new corps can actually afford or want to afford it? Passive ISK only benefits current landholders. Not newbies. AbsolutelyLOLOLOLOLOLnot. But nice try. ;) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 829	Posted - 2015.01.22 01:01:00 - [79] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Sticky Nuts RND wrote: CCP how do you propose new players can afford to play PC and what is the incentive to do so if they have no isk? Why not bring passive ISK back to PC so new corps can actually afford or want to afford it? Also how do you justify punishing the team that wins with this raid PC mode? win and lose money what are you president Obama now? losers win and winners get penalized?? come on this is not what the player base wants and all you are doing is forcing players to find new games to play. Because the system was abused and resulted in a bunch of veterans who proto stomped noobs right out of this game. They locked their districts so they could have easy money with no risk. Or does my opinion not matter because I have never PC'd. Elitists like Roman are WHY I don't PC. They have their head so far up their ass they can't see straight, and they mistake the ability to play a game is not the same set of skills required to analyze an environment and give constructive feedback. I have seen relatively new players give great feedback regarding this game, regardless of their inexperience. Lastly, Roman, your NFL argument is flawed. Randy Moss may make the HoF, but he couldn't hold a candle to Belichek's knowledge of the game despite the fact he never played about Division III NCAA football. If you really want to give your feedback, don't act like there aren't ways to do so just because they didn't come to you directly. Apparently you didn't read what this thread is about. It's about changes go the current form of pc. So yes...your feed back on those changes means as much as ** on a bull. Because you don't pc. How an you comment on what to change if you don't know what we use to be changed? Did I just get called an elitist? I worked my ass off to get where I am. Started as a brand new blueberry not knowing what the ** to do. I liked the idea of the game. ...and realized I couldn't do it alone. So I joined the first corp I saw with a squad. STB. After months of grinding and learning. I was asked based off my skills to be on standby for a corp battle. I was super excited. I waited and listened on comms at the intricacy and detail that went into setting up and planning and bam...I was hooked. I wanted to do that. So...I stuck with it. Kept training my skills. Listening and learning. Getting into the odd pc. Finally. I started getting played more often. And...then I became a squad leader. Then the fc had to take a break...so I stepped up. I lost a lot of pcs. But I kept trying. Eventually my skill as a fc lead me to be a director. And now a CEO. I did that. Myself. Not with ccp giving me a hand out. It took over 2 years to get where I am. My corp fights pcs daily. Vs everyone. We just got our asses kicked. Guess what still here. Ain't going anywhere. You want to remove the best things about this game. You get what you put into it. Get good. I'll be back to read your forum post replies in an hour and a half. I have stacked pc timers and must organize my allies into fielding a team for me. Which is awsome. Both are defends. Don't ruin this game Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Stryker Syx Vector D3ATH CARD RUST415 72	Posted - 2015.01.22 01:01:00 - [80] - Quote [quote=Roman837]Posted this in war room. Was told it would be seen faster here Talking trash aside...politics aside and personal beefs aside. I love this game. The interaction in players is the most rewarding thing about it. We are a self run community. And we appreciate that you CCP take the time to listen to your players and make changes based on what we say . Even if it is at a slow rate. Change happens. What I am mad about....is the people you are gathering your information from...to make changes to pc....are not even in pc. This is a Rediculous thing. Knowing stats on suits...and other geeky stats is great an all for those math wizards. But. ..do not for a second think that they are in any shape way or form involved in the most competitive form of your game. Planetary Conquest. Let them talk in general discussion about nerfing the gun that kills them. Given any gun in this game we have players in planetary conquest that would crush that same person complaining about an op gun. Give kalante a militia any gun and he will have general discussion players crying of op ness.-á My sincere advise to you. Is create an in game chat channel. Make sure you eve protect it so no trolls can join it. And invite us into your chat. And talk with us. Please. Do not listen to some loser cpm or X cpm who does not even play your game. We do. We play it every day all day. Don't believe me ccp? If it's possible I want you to look up and post my planetary conquest only stats. You will see I pc multiple times a day every day. And know every single major pc player. We are the ones you should be talking to. No one should be advising you on game changes related to pc but us. We don't care about weapons and stat changes. We will adapt to what yiu give us and kill any pub player. You need to consult us. Please create a channel and invite us to it. In 1 hour we can give you more dedication and constructive criticism then a years worth of cpm meetings.-á Give us a time and a date. We will create the chat and organize it. To the players reading this. Don't ** it up. If they do want to talk and listen to use keep you troll mouths shut. We will do the talking and we will help our game. One idiot talking trash or being a tough 12 year old on the Internet will ruin it for all or us. I don't want this game to ever die. And planetary conquest is the only reason I still play it. Don't kill it by listening to people who do not play it. [quote] For sake do you ever stop bitching. Every time you post you're bitching and bitching and bitching. Get over your ***** self. Rant over.

bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1274	Posted - 2015.01.22 01:02:00 - [81] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Sticky Nuts RND wrote: CCP how do you propose new players can afford to play PC and what is the incentive to do so if they have no isk? Why not bring passive ISK back to PC so new corps can actually afford or want to afford it? Also how do you justify punishing the team that wins with this raid PC mode? win and lose money what are you president Obama now? losers win and winners get penalized?? come on this is not what the player base wants and all you are doing is forcing players to find new games to play. Because the system was abused and resulted in a bunch of veterans who proto stomped noobs right out of this game. They locked their districts so they could have easy money with no risk. Or does my opinion not matter because I have never PC'd. Elitists like Roman are WHY I don't PC. They have their head so far up their ass they can't see straight, and they mistake the ability to play a game is not the same set of skills required to analyze an environment and give constructive feedback. I have seen relatively new players give great feedback regarding this game, regardless of their inexperience. Lastly, Roman, your NFL argument is flawed. Randy Moss may make the HoF, but he couldn't hold a candle to Belichek's knowledge of the game despite the fact he never played about Division III NCAA football. If you really want to give your feedback, don't act like there aren't ways to do so just because they didn't come to you directly. You're delusional if you think PC corps "proto stomping" are what drive players away from this game..... Also if elitists are the reason you don't play PvP then Competitive PvP games are not for you.. Elitists should drive you to play and/or get better. Not give up till your style of competition is handed to you while you armchair quarterback..
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5803	Posted - 2015.01.22 01:14:00 - [82] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: You are online anyway during your primetime. You set your two hour timers for your district to a time you feel is your prime time. Instead of dealing with battles that were initiated yesterday, you'd be fighting ones that were just sent. No more time commitment than now. Except it would cut down on a lot of the out of game communications necessary to coordinate things. It would cut down on the amount of land you could hold. I liked the idea of multipliers that increased when you successfully defended a district. It gives the ability for smaller more elite corps to make a smaller quantity of districts as valuable as holding a large percentage in the passive ISK days. There are ways to do this while keeping things competitive and not crowding out the entire community. One that would have to go to like 15 different websites, search for Dev posts and still not have all the information on how PC actually works. One that doesn't have any ability whatsover to perform any meaningful training. It won't cut down on the land you could hold.... That does not fit into how we build a PC corporation or alliance in anyway and makes no sense in any explanation and practicality. It will increase the amount of coordination and organizing you have to do not decrease..... Anyone that has lead or organized a PC or has been part of one can tell you this and it should be clear as day... For what? For the sake of "Attempting" to appeal a competitive game mode to a casual player? It's trying to address the symptoms of a problem... Not the problem. It's a classic CCP fix and should be making all kinds of bells and whistles go off in your head... But hey? maybe some people with very minimal experience can explain away why it would work in a practice they have no experience in... Most of us only have years of experience playing Corp battles, PC, Tournaments, Squad cup. what would they know? Players can zerg all they want... Ancient Exiles has spent MILLIONS paying for newer corps to PC sometimes 20+ attacks in a day.... We ran planet Fight club for months....The way PC corporations are setup, these corporations would never have a chance in this model still and CCP would waste stupid amounts of time to give us the same scenario with a slightly different frame. It's a sad un imaginative fix for a symptom of a problem, not the actual problem. Makes me sad. There's like 4 corps ever who've beaten AE with any regularity. 99% of Dust is unable to contend with that. If there's no way to limit the damage small groups can do while being limited to 16 v 16 there's no way it's ever going to grow. Considering the circumstances with no place to team deploy and not even an incentive to win a pub match I'd say you are the unimaginative one here. Take a look in pub matches. Look at all the solo players. CCP has to do something to get people looking toward their premier game mode. I'll be the first to say they are making a big mistake not making FW better and team deployable before messing with PC. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 366	Posted - 2015.01.22 01:16:00 - [83] - Quote http://evemaps.dotlan.net/districts/Molden_Heath You say there is no issue? The hell.... Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7326	Posted - 2015.01.22 02:00:00 - [84] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Apparently you didn't read what this thread is about. It's about changes go the current form of pc. So yes...your feed back on those changes means as much as ** on a bull. Because you don't pc. How an you comment on what to change if you don't know what we use to be changed? I don't need experience to read through feedback, put things together, ask questions, and provide feedback if I have any. I read through an significant portion of a tank thread just to understand what the issues are, and the ideas that are out there from experienced people. Not only were they knowledgeable (particularly Pokey and True), but they certainly didn't feel the need to request CCP only talk with them because they were the only ones that knew anything... You would be amazed at how much you can learn from gathering info from people that do a good job of analysis without being jerks about it. Sometimes ideas can be generated through discussions including all levels of experience because of happenstance and creativity. Likewise, some very experienced people can become entrenched in ideas, and as a result offer no creative solutions, or simply not acknowledge there are problems to begin with. And I don't need to have PC experience to know it is not in a good place right now, or to suggest new never-tried ideas that may breath new life into it and support ideas from others that would be for the betterment of Dust as a whole. Roman837 wrote: Did I just get called an elitist? I worked my ass off to get where I am. Started as a brand new blueberry not knowing what the ** to do. I liked the idea of the game. ...and realized I couldn't do it alone. So I joined the first corp I saw with a squad. STB. After months of grinding and learning. I was asked based off my skills to be on standby for a corp battle. I was super excited. I waited and listened on comms at the intricacy and detail that went into setting up and planning and bam...I was hooked. I wanted to do that. So...I stuck with it. Kept training my skills. Listening and learning. Getting into the odd pc. Finally. I started getting played more often. And...then I became a squad leader. Then the fc had to take a break...so I stepped up. I lost a lot of pcs. But I kept trying. Eventually my skill as a fc lead me to be a director. And now a CEO. I did that. Myself. Not with ccp giving me a hand out. It took over 2 years to get where I am. My corp fights pcs daily. Vs everyone. We just got our asses kicked. Guess what still here. Ain't going anywhere. You want to remove the best things about this game. You get what you put into it. Get good. I'll be back to read your forum post replies in an hour and a half. I have stacked pc timers and must organize my allies into fielding a team for me. Which is awsome. Both are defends. Don't ruin this game Being an Elitist is a frame of mind and has nothing to do with whether or not you put work in. If you have been around as long as you say you have, then you came in when there WAS no PC to even play. You never had to contend with large corps that wouldn't play you because you didn't have proto, and compete with players that had many times more SP and ISK. I am constantly seeing new players coming in to the forums and trying to learn their way through. Some who are interested in PC and want to be part of corps that will train them and let them do that. Some want to start corps of their own. I don't think it welcoming to suggest that what they have experienced is immaterial because it is not what you experienced. And if I were them, I sure as hell would want no part of your corp or to create one that has anywhere near the sense of entitlement your posts suggest. I don't think wanting to be part of PC discussions so that the 10% of players that get to play it ruin it for the rest, whether because they some day want to be part but can't because of those ideas, or because of ideas similar to the previous periods where PC broke the Dust economy, me or anyone else trying to ruin the game. Nor does it mean I want its removal. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7326	Posted - 2015.01.22 02:03:00 - [85] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: You're delusional if you think PC corps "proto stomping" are what drive players away from this game..... Also if elitists are the reason you don't play PvP then Competitive PvP games are not for you.. Elitists should drive you to play and/or get better. Not give up till your style of competition is handed to you while you armchair quarterback.. Yeah, I am sure mercs having ridiculous amounts of ISK to blow any any fitting they want and coming into pubs with players right out of the academy had NOTHING to do with those players never returning... You mistake Elitists for people who have great skill. You could be the greatest player in the game and not be Elitist. Likewise, you could be the worst cough Thunderbolt cough and be Elitist. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
TritusX PH4NT0M5 137	Posted - 2015.01.22 02:07:00 - [86] - Quote Roman837 wrote: One idiot talking trash or being a tough 12 year old on the Internet will ruin it for all or us. Oop too late Believe in RUST Don't hate the DUST lol
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. 1233	Posted - 2015.01.22 02:22:00 - [87] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: bolsh lee wrote: You're delusional if you think PC corps "proto stomping" are what drive players away from this game..... Also if elitists are the reason you don't play PvP then Competitive PvP games are not for you.. Elitists should drive you to play and/or get better. Not give up till your style of competition is handed to you while you armchair quarterback.. Yeah, I am sure mercs having ridiculous amounts of ISK to blow any any fitting they want and coming into pubs with players right out of the academy had NOTHING to do with those players never returning... You mistake Elitists for people who have great skill. You could be the greatest player in the game and not be Elitist. Likewise, you could be the worst cough Thunderbolt cough and be Elitist. PC is sooooooooooo elitist that barely anyone is in it right? Then please tell me how there is so much proto stomping in pubs? Only a select few are in PC so how are there so many proto users in pubs? Also, if you are going to blame PC players for making pub players quit, then can pub players be responsible for making academy players quit? "I don't always lock threads but when I do, I vigorously masturbat afterwards." - CCP LockingBro
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 855	Posted - 2015.01.22 02:37:00 - [88] - Quote Wait wait wait. Did he honestly just say...that one does not have to experience pc....to understand pc? Using the famous quote from a living dust genius and philanthropist. "So...your telling me that if a 1000 friends tell you how to bang a girl. ..that it instantly give you 15 minutes of stamina and makes you a **** star" -xSaphir3 Ya.....your argument is invalid. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7332	Posted - 2015.01.22 02:47:00 - [89] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Wait wait wait. Did he honestly just say...that one does not have to experience pc....to understand pc? Using the famous quote from a living dust genius and philanthropist. "So...your telling me that if a 1000 friends tell you how to bang a girl. ..that it instantly give you 15 minutes of stamina and makes you a **** star" -xSaphir3 Ya.....your argument is invalid. And I suppose having had sex or "banged a girl" would give you the anatomical knowledge of a medical doctor? Sorry if your concepts of knowledge and creativity are so narrowly focused. But I am sure that is what makes you the best for coming up with ideas. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 180	Posted - 2015.01.22 02:51:00 - [90] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Roman837 wrote: Wait wait wait. Did he honestly just say...that one does not have to experience pc....to understand pc? Using the famous quote from a living dust genius and philanthropist. "So...your telling me that if a 1000 friends tell you how to bang a girl. ..that it instantly give you 15 minutes of stamina and makes you a **** star" -xSaphir3 Ya.....your argument is invalid. And I suppose having had sex or "banged a girl" would give you the anatomical knowledge of a medical doctor? Sorry if your concepts of knowledge and creativity are so narrowly focused. But I am sure that is what makes you the best for coming up with ideas. Roman plays pc every single day and has for likely over a year that's what makes him knowledgeable To expand on your crude metaphor he may not have the intellectual experience of a doctor after being with a woman for a few years but he knows how to make her purr nonetheless vs your fumbling virgin fingers Yet another slave of Mortedeamor

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7332	Posted - 2015.01.22 02:59:00 - [91] - Quote Slave of MORTE wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Roman837 wrote: Wait wait wait. Did he honestly just say...that one does not have to experience pc....to understand pc? Using the famous quote from a living dust genius and philanthropist. "So...your telling me that if a 1000 friends tell you how to bang a girl. ..that it instantly give you 15 minutes of stamina and makes you a **** star" -xSaphir3 Ya.....your argument is invalid. And I suppose having had sex or "banged a girl" would give you the anatomical knowledge of a medical doctor? Sorry if your concepts of knowledge and creativity are so narrowly focused. But I am sure that is what makes you the best for coming up with ideas. Roman plays pc every single day and has for likely over a year that's what makes him knowledgeable To expand on your crude metaphor he may not have the intellectual experience of a doctor after being with a woman for a few years but he knows how to make her purr nonetheless vs your fumbling virgin fingers I never said he wasn't knowledgeable, nor do I doubt his PC experience or skill. Just that there are more levels of knowledge, and that being part of a broader discussion with a broader group will yield better results for Dust as a whole. I may disagree with people like Kain at times, but at least I can respect him bringing the discussion to the appropriate places and not feeling the need to hide from everyone. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 255	Posted - 2015.01.22 03:04:00 - [92] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I don't need experience to read through feedback, put things together, ask questions, and provide feedback if I have any. I read through an significant portion of a tank thread just to understand what the issues are, and the ideas that are out there from experienced people. Not only were they knowledgeable (particularly Pokey and True), but they certainly didn't feel the need to request CCP only talk with them because they were the only ones that knew anything... You would be amazed at how much you can learn from gathering info from people that do a good job of analysis without being jerks about it. Sometimes ideas can be generated through discussions including all levels of experience because of happenstance and creativity. Likewise, some very experienced people can become entrenched in ideas, and as a result offer no creative solutions, or simply not acknowledge there are problems to begin with. And I don't need to have PC experience to know it is not in a good place right now, or to suggest new never-tried ideas that may breath new life into it and support ideas from others that would be for the betterment of Dust as a whole. So you're saying you can generate great feedback and ideas for PC from information/discussions produced by pub-only players?
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 181	Posted - 2015.01.22 03:06:00 - [93] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Slave of MORTE wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Roman837 wrote: Wait wait wait. Did he honestly just say...that one does not have to experience pc....to understand pc? Using the famous quote from a living dust genius and philanthropist. "So...your telling me that if a 1000 friends tell you how to bang a girl. ..that it instantly give you 15 minutes of stamina and makes you a **** star" -xSaphir3 Ya.....your argument is invalid. And I suppose having had sex or "banged a girl" would give you the anatomical knowledge of a medical doctor? Sorry if your concepts of knowledge and creativity are so narrowly focused. But I am sure that is what makes you the best for coming up with ideas. Roman plays pc every single day and has for likely over a year that's what makes him knowledgeable To expand on your crude metaphor he may not have the intellectual experience of a doctor after being with a woman for a few years but he knows how to make her purr nonetheless vs your fumbling virgin fingers I never said he wasn't knowledgeable, nor do I doubt his PC experience or skill. Just that there are more levels of knowledge, and that being part of a broader discussion with a broader group will yield better results for Dust as a whole. I may disagree with people like Kain at times, but at least I can respect him bringing the discussion to the appropriate places and not feeling the need to hide from everyone. Being part of a broader discussion ..how broad Anyone who's played dust for 10 minutes should talk about the competitive mode that's supposed to be what new players strive towards. people who have never experienced pc shouldn't be taken as seriously as those that always play pc .. These forums have very few active pc players on them ..they are not an accurate way to gather info to create appropriate fixes. Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1953	Posted - 2015.01.22 03:13:00 - [94] - Quote Roman837 wrote: CCP. If you are reading this. And you implement a change that is based off of this morons views and inputs. ...I can guarentee you will lose the remainder of your competitive players. When was the last time this person was in a PC? Please talk to us. Not them. That is what I am asking. Discuss it with the players it involves! We already have a chat formed. We had a very long meeting on it last night. We are all in agreement. And by we I mean the leaders of the corps currently in pc. Do not listen to people who are not involved to make big decisions. Zatara? Who is Zatara. I wasted my vote on him I think. Is he the cpm of destiny? It isn't ccp's job to chase after you and kiss your ass to get feedback. If you want to provide constructive feedback provide it, if you don't want to? stay silent. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7332	Posted - 2015.01.22 03:16:00 - [95] - Quote Slave of MORTE wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Slave of MORTE wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Roman837 wrote: Wait wait wait. Did he honestly just say...that one does not have to experience pc....to understand pc? Using the famous quote from a living dust genius and philanthropist. "So...your telling me that if a 1000 friends tell you how to bang a girl. ..that it instantly give you 15 minutes of stamina and makes you a **** star" -xSaphir3 Ya.....your argument is invalid. And I suppose having had sex or "banged a girl" would give you the anatomical knowledge of a medical doctor? Sorry if your concepts of knowledge and creativity are so narrowly focused. But I am sure that is what makes you the best for coming up with ideas. Roman plays pc every single day and has for likely over a year that's what makes him knowledgeable To expand on your crude metaphor he may not have the intellectual experience of a doctor after being with a woman for a few years but he knows how to make her purr nonetheless vs your fumbling virgin fingers I never said he wasn't knowledgeable, nor do I doubt his PC experience or skill. Just that there are more levels of knowledge, and that being part of a broader discussion with a broader group will yield better results for Dust as a whole. I may disagree with people like Kain at times, but at least I can respect him bringing the discussion to the appropriate places and not feeling the need to hide from everyone. Being part of a broader discussion ..how broad Anyone who's played dust for 10 minutes should talk about the competitive mode that's supposed to be what new players strive towards. people who have never experienced pc shouldn't be taken as seriously as those that always play pc .. These forums have very few active pc players on them ..they are not an accurate way to gather info to create appropriate fixes. But how can you make something those players should want to be part of if you don't get feedback from them about what they want? If you have a core group of PC players wanting to create a system that does not at all appeal to those who are not already part of it what good is that? If that same group wants something like passive ISK, they should at least be able to explain to those not in PC how it will be addressed in a way that won't result in a breaking any potential market that CCP is trying to create. In the same way that someone may not have experience playing lots of PC, you may not have enough experience outside of it to understand where a CEO of a small but growing group of players is coming from or all of the barriers that coming in to grow a corp in the midst of a lot of veteran corps is coming from. All the voices above are equally as valuable as the experienced large corp CEO. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 159	Posted - 2015.01.22 03:16:00 - [96] - Quote This is why I have said. There is no point posting in here. That's why we have our War Room. And back two years ago. Devs cared and came in The War Room Daily. Spoke with us Daily. And ban us daily. But we were active with each other. During the big Kain Days. But now we don't post here becuase of stupid comments from dumb people that have the slightest clue... This is why My Real Dust Brethren... Let's Open Molden Heath (that's PC world for you newbs) . I have posted in Yoshi thread. You will see what I mean. Let's go Pub stomp Guys. Let's trade places. Let them in our world for free. And we go into there world. See what happens later later. Hehe Let's Bounce Fellas (Read my comment in Yoshi thread. Will explain everything) Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Derrith Erador Heaven's Lost Property 3325	Posted - 2015.01.22 04:05:00 - [97] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: 1)I don't need experience to read through feedback, put things together, ask questions, and provide feedback if I have any. 2) I read through an significant portion of a tank thread just to understand what the issues are, and the ideas that are out there from experienced people. Not only were they knowledgeable (particularly Pokey and True), but they certainly didn't feel the need to request CCP only talk with them because they were the only ones that knew anything... 3) You would be amazed at how much you can learn from gathering info from people that do a good job of analysis without being jerks about it. Sometimes ideas can be generated through discussions including all levels of experience because of happenstance and creativity. 4) And I don't need to have PC experience to know it is not in a good place right now, or to suggest new never-tried ideas that may breath new life into it and support ideas from others that would be for the betterment of Dust as a whole. 1) Uuhhhhhhh, yeah you do. In this instance, yes you do. 2) Well, take it from this perspective. The only people who whined about tanks were people who knew nothing about. CCP butchered tanks to a point to where the only useful tank on the field is a dual tanked bastard gunnlogi at the request of the people who knew nothing about tanks. CCP butchered PC the same way they butchered tanks and ADS, by not listening to those who knew what they were talking about. 3) You're half right on this. All levels of experience is where you're wrong. Again, people who don't know what they're talking about should not talk. 4) Again, you really shouldn't talk about PC if you have no experience. PC world is all about experience these days. And I've looked at all the so far suggested ideas, they're terrible. 99% of what Derrith says is stupidity. -D3lta Blitzkrieg Oh yeah?! Well, I love redheads.
hfderrtgvcd 1741	Posted - 2015.01.22 04:08:00 - [98] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: One Eyed King wrote: 1)I don't need experience to read through feedback, put things together, ask questions, and provide feedback if I have any. 2) I read through an significant portion of a tank thread just to understand what the issues are, and the ideas that are out there from experienced people. Not only were they knowledgeable (particularly Pokey and True), but they certainly didn't feel the need to request CCP only talk with them because they were the only ones that knew anything... 3) You would be amazed at how much you can learn from gathering info from people that do a good job of analysis without being jerks about it. Sometimes ideas can be generated through discussions including all levels of experience because of happenstance and creativity. 4) And I don't need to have PC experience to know it is not in a good place right now, or to suggest new never-tried ideas that may breath new life into it and support ideas from others that would be for the betterment of Dust as a whole. And I've looked at all the so far suggested ideas, they're terrible. So suggest your own You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Derrith Erador Heaven's Lost Property 3326	Posted - 2015.01.22 04:10:00 - [99] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: One Eyed King wrote: 1)I don't need experience to read through feedback, put things together, ask questions, and provide feedback if I have any. 2) I read through an significant portion of a tank thread just to understand what the issues are, and the ideas that are out there from experienced people. Not only were they knowledgeable (particularly Pokey and True), but they certainly didn't feel the need to request CCP only talk with them because they were the only ones that knew anything... 3) You would be amazed at how much you can learn from gathering info from people that do a good job of analysis without being jerks about it. Sometimes ideas can be generated through discussions including all levels of experience because of happenstance and creativity. 4) And I don't need to have PC experience to know it is not in a good place right now, or to suggest new never-tried ideas that may breath new life into it and support ideas from others that would be for the betterment of Dust as a whole. And I've looked at all the so far suggested ideas, they're terrible. So suggest your own cough already did! cough 99% of what Derrith says is stupidity. -D3lta Blitzkrieg Oh yeah?! Well, I love redheads.
hfderrtgvcd 1743	Posted - 2015.01.22 04:15:00 - [100] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: One Eyed King wrote: 1)I don't need experience to read through feedback, put things together, ask questions, and provide feedback if I have any. 2) I read through an significant portion of a tank thread just to understand what the issues are, and the ideas that are out there from experienced people. Not only were they knowledgeable (particularly Pokey and True), but they certainly didn't feel the need to request CCP only talk with them because they were the only ones that knew anything... 3) You would be amazed at how much you can learn from gathering info from people that do a good job of analysis without being jerks about it. Sometimes ideas can be generated through discussions including all levels of experience because of happenstance and creativity. 4) And I don't need to have PC experience to know it is not in a good place right now, or to suggest new never-tried ideas that may breath new life into it and support ideas from others that would be for the betterment of Dust as a whole. And I've looked at all the so far suggested ideas, they're terrible. So suggest your own cough already did! cough Those are actually excellent ideas. I hope you don't mind that I've posted them in Rattati's feedback thread You can't fight in here! This is the war room.

Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3724	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:51:00 - [101] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: And I don't need to have PC experience to know it is not in a good place right now, or to suggest new never-tried ideas that may breath new life into it and support ideas from others that would be for the betterment of Dust as a whole. CCP.....doesn't this seem odd to you? This is exactly what this thread is about. Guys that don't or have never participated in pc before making suggestions on how to change it lol. Would anyone take advice on women from someone who doesn't know where the "hole" is?? My corp isn't active like we were and yet we still participate in pc. Anyone that doesn't participate in pc just choose not to out of fear or lack of competitive drive....it's that simple. People complain about lag and framerate drops as if it is any better in pub matches. Some moron even said that he could earn more in pubs than he can in pc matches and that's why he doesn't play. You have to consider the suggestions from guys who actually play this game and the mode that's being considered for revision.......and not from guys who just wet their panties over the math and numbers. Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 369	Posted - 2015.01.22 11:15:00 - [102] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: 1)CCP.....doesn't this seem odd to you? This is exactly what this thread is about. Guys that don't or have never participated in pc before making suggestions on how to change it lol. 2)Would anyone take advice on women from someone who doesn't know where the "hole" is?? My corp isn't active like we were and yet we still participate in pc. Anyone that doesn't participate in pc just choose not to out of fear or lack of competitive drive....it's that simple. 3)People complain about lag and framerate drops as if it is any better in pub matches. Some moron even said that he could earn more in pubs than he can in pc matches and that's why he doesn't play. 4)You have to consider the suggestions from guys who actually play this game and the mode that's being considered for revision.......and not from guys who just wet their panties over the math and numbers. It's just so wrong. 1) There must be a reason why people deliberately don't want to participate at Dust endgame. No endgame = less players = less money = less content = less player again and so go on. 2) Fear of a game? Lack of competitive drive? What's the point in being non-competitive in Dust as a whole game? there's no Pve, there's nothing preventing you from being competitive, except for being idle in matches and simply doing nothing the whole time. The fact you are actually playing even if not regularly, clearly shows that you are competitive at some degree. 3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxip2n9VXjo And it was the same for anyone on my side, every PC match, ever (and there has been hundreds of matches). It is much different. I too keep hearing from people that it really doesn't change much, but really for many players in my region it's not the case. Connection issues? ps3 issues? I can't really say. What I can say is that this is a great big wall even for experienced players. 4) In my former alliance we saw this timers problem coming much time before PC was released. Actually, Cazaderon was the first to notice that the whole timers thing were totally wrong. Just from "numbers" and sporadic infos.Also, If you want to make a better game, it's more valuable to know why players don't like it than why the others like it, and after all, if Dust has serious problem is 50% because of dumb community. Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 868	Posted - 2015.01.22 13:09:00 - [103] - Quote CCP. Please respond to us. Talk to us before making any changes. There is no rush to making a change and making a release. No one will be upset if you delay an update if it means it's the perfect update. We don't care if it takes another month. Just make it the correct update and changes and not one that's gonna kill everything we have worked for! What's more important....being loyal to the people who have been loyal to you? Stuck it out with you....for over 2 years...we are the pc players. Or is it more important to appease everyone else? The casuals of this game....The ones who will leave when some new flash game comes along. Please pick us. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 868	Posted - 2015.01.22 13:32:00 - [104] - Quote Oh wow. Just had a moment of clarity. CCP....If you want corps and players to become more involved in PC without them needing to risk isk..or getting removed...I have a perfect option! Give each corp...a home base...a Perma district. A fake district. Don't put it in any of the real districts spots...Make it so your corp has to have a set amount of corp members to unlock your corps home world. Make this district have the ability to be set to. ...online or offline. Online. ..meaning it can launch an attack....and be attacked... but not flipped....and no offline....so that if they want a break from pc they don't get attacked. Make these districts not part of current pc format. Almost like a corp battle separate mode. Allow them to choose and change their infrastructure for free. And let them launch clones against each other. ..Annnd news flash. ..yes allow them to launch an attack against MH...When they are ready to move into the real world. This would solve so many issues. Would give corps a home world which is amazing. And will allow them to practice and test out pc without the huge isk commitment or risk of being removed. They can fight at their leisure ...and then come join us. Roman just won dust Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 183	Posted - 2015.01.22 14:19:00 - [105] - Quote [/quote] But how can you make something those players should want to be part of if you don't get feedback from them about what they want? If you have a core group of PC players wanting to create a system that does not at all appeal to those who are not already part of it what good is that? If that same group wants something like passive ISK, they should at least be able to explain to those not in PC how it will be addressed in a way that won't result in a breaking any potential market that CCP is trying to create. In the same way that someone may not have experience playing lots of PC, you may not have enough experience outside of it to understand where a CEO of a small but growing group of players is coming from or all of the barriers that coming in to grow a corp in the midst of a lot of veteran corps is coming from. All the voices above are equally as valuable as the experienced large corp CEO.[/quote] Actually I can be found on every server in every mode including pc and rarely can I be found in a proto suit in pubs despite being one of those people who could spam proto forever. So I can say I've experienced all of dust But there are things in pc that a non pc player won't understand mechanics who's effects they may not fully understand ..all the time half asses fixes go through that just make things worse or a different version of the same hell...how many times have these forums tried to fix pc .... Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 183	Posted - 2015.01.22 14:25:00 - [106] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Oh wow. Just had a moment of clarity. CCP....If you want corps and players to become more involved in PC without them needing to risk isk..or getting removed...I have a perfect option! Give each corp...a home base...a Perma district. A fake district. Don't put it in any of the real districts spots...Make it so your corp has to have a set amount of corp members to unlock your corps home world. Make this district have the ability to be set to. ...online or offline. Online. ..meaning it can launch an attack....and be attacked... but not flipped....and no offline....so that if they want a break from pc they don't get attacked. Make these districts not part of current pc format. Almost like a corp battle separate mode. Allow them to choose and change their infrastructure for free. And let them launch clones against each other. ..Annnd news flash. ..yes allow them to launch an attack against MH...When they are ready to move into the real world. This would solve so many issues. Would give corps a home world which is amazing. And will allow them to practice and test out pc without the huge isk commitment or risk of being removed. They can fight at their leisure ...and then come join us. Roman just won dust DO IT CCP IT'S BETTER THAT TACOS MIEN. IT'S JUST RIGHT Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15188	Posted - 2015.01.22 14:29:00 - [107] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I never said he wasn't knowledgeable, nor do I doubt his PC experience or skill. Just that there are more levels of knowledge, and that being part of a broader discussion with a broader group will yield better results for Dust as a whole. I may disagree with people like Kain at times, but at least I can respect him bringing the discussion to the appropriate places and not feeling the need to hide from everyone. The problem with "there being more levels of knowledge", is that there aren't. If you haven't participated in Planetary Conquest you can't comment on which mecanics are bad and which ones are good, nor can you suggest which ones need to be improved on because your Intel is based on hearsay and is likely incorrect. These forums only consist of about 100 people at best, and when you have a playerbase of 4k that means only 3% of them will actually be heard by the DEVs. Compared to a channel with well over 100 members who are representing corps and groups with around 200+ members it's feedback on the forums which is actually being hidden. That aside, I don't see why so many players in this thread are opposed to CCP going into the channel to collect feedback from the ones who know what they're talking about. You'll still be able to make your terrible suggestions and act as if you know what you're talking about, but CCP will simply have feedback that will actually improve the situation. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Yokal Bob Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 677	Posted - 2015.01.22 14:30:00 - [108] - Quote one thing you dont need pc experience for LAG /{o.o}/ ---L Inflatable hammer strikes again
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 876	Posted - 2015.01.22 14:44:00 - [109] - Quote Make it so that district only can launch 200 clones....and make it have a cool down timer. So they can't re attack the next night. This will give them a taste. Then. ...If they get attacked....they instantly have 200 defenders. Bam...This would be awsome. They can attack and get a taste. ...and if attacked still have clones to defend...The clones left defending is separate from the attacking clones....and no the attacking clones are on a cool down timer. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 184	Posted - 2015.01.22 14:45:00 - [110] - Quote Yokal Bob wrote: one thing you dont need pc experience for LAG So true Yet another slave of Mortedeamor

Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 184	Posted - 2015.01.22 14:46:00 - [111] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Make it so that district only can launch 200 clones....and make it have a cool down timer. So they can't re attack the next night. This will give them a taste. Then. ...If they get attacked....they instantly have 200 defenders. Bam...This would be awsome. They can attack and get a taste. ...and if attacked still have clones to defend...The clones left defending is separate from the attacking clones....and no the attacking clones are on a cool down timer. By the time this thread closes I will have liked you to much great father Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 876	Posted - 2015.01.22 14:46:00 - [112] - Quote And yes CCP...As of April I am available for hire. Wages negotiable between isk and real money. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5529	Posted - 2015.01.22 15:01:00 - [113] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Oh wow. Just had a moment of clarity. CCP....If you want corps and players to become more involved in PC without them needing to risk isk..or getting removed...I have a perfect option! Give each corp...a home base...a Perma district. A fake district. Don't put it in any of the real districts spots...Make it so your corp has to have a set amount of corp members to unlock your corps home world. Make this district have the ability to be set to. ...online or offline. Online. ..meaning it can launch an attack....and be attacked... but not flipped....and no offline....so that if they want a break from pc they don't get attacked. Make these districts not part of current pc format. Almost like a corp battle separate mode. Allow them to choose and change their infrastructure for free. And let them launch clones against each other. ..Annnd news flash. ..yes allow them to launch an attack against MH...When they are ready to move into the real world. This would solve so many issues. Would give corps a home world which is amazing. And will allow them to practice and test out pc without the huge isk commitment or risk of being removed. They can fight at their leisure ...and then come join us. Roman just won dust It's like in your moment of clarify... you kinda sorta maybe figured out what CCP was already doing. The whole corporate warbarge thing is like your corp's headquarters, which generates clone packs you can launch attacks from... You didn't really win DUST. In fact, you're kinda late to the party. :/ CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 879	Posted - 2015.01.22 15:05:00 - [114] - Quote I hope you didn't plan on running for cpm again next year. I'll make it my dust goal to either ensure you don't get reelected...or that I do just so I can shut you up on comms when you make stupid decisions. I will call my platform. The United Corps Against Stupid Decisions. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 879	Posted - 2015.01.22 15:06:00 - [115] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Roman837 wrote: Oh wow. Just had a moment of clarity. CCP....If you want corps and players to become more involved in PC without them needing to risk isk..or getting removed...I have a perfect option! Give each corp...a home base...a Perma district. A fake district. Don't put it in any of the real districts spots...Make it so your corp has to have a set amount of corp members to unlock your corps home world. Make this district have the ability to be set to. ...online or offline. Online. ..meaning it can launch an attack....and be attacked... but not flipped....and no offline....so that if they want a break from pc they don't get attacked. Make these districts not part of current pc format. Almost like a corp battle separate mode. Allow them to choose and change their infrastructure for free. And let them launch clones against each other. ..Annnd news flash. ..yes allow them to launch an attack against MH...When they are ready to move into the real world. This would solve so many issues. Would give corps a home world which is amazing. And will allow them to practice and test out pc without the huge isk commitment or risk of being removed. They can fight at their leisure ...and then come join us. Roman just won dust It's like in your moment of clarify... you kinda sorta maybe figured out what CCP was already doing. The whole corporate warbarge thing is like your corp's headquarters, which generates clone packs you can launch attacks from... You didn't really win DUST. In fact, you're kinda late to the party. :/ Also. ..late to the party? I'm the one always hosting the dam party. Or being invited to others. Your the loser who sits at home and creeps our pics and posts on Facebook and is Sooo upset you call in noise complaints to ruin our fun because you're not apart of it Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 879	Posted - 2015.01.22 15:11:00 - [116] - Quote You got us old master poster Cpm. You have proven that if we don't always read the forums and make stupid posts....that our voices won't be heard. You got us! We post in the war room. Where pc players belong. Look what happens when we do post? You try to **** on us. This change is directed at PC correct? Well shouldn't you be voicing the opinions of PC players? The role of a voted in member is not to push their own agenda and hope the masses back them. It's to voice the members wishes...and represent them. Even if you don't agree. Your a voice. A tool. We the pc players make up a huge majority of active players. And I am among the most active of that group. I am voicing the opinions and thoughts of our players. Collectively. ..I bet they think you're an idiot for pushing your own a agenda on a topic you don't even participate in. Please stick to your area of expertise. Getting crushed in pubs. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5529	Posted - 2015.01.22 15:28:00 - [117] - Quote Roman837 wrote: I hope you didn't plan on running for cpm again next year. I'll make it my dust goal to either ensure you don't get reelected...or that I do just so I can shut you up on comms when you make stupid decisions. I will call my platform. The United Corps Against Stupid Decisions. I've been very public about my intentions in this regard. Provided at least one other CPM1 is running, I won't run for CPM2. I have a lot of responsibilities I've been neglecting IRL to be a CPM, and I should be get back to life. And maybe find a girlfriend or something. However, I do feel continuity between CPMs is very important, and I will stick around if nobody else does. Roman837 wrote: Also. ..late to the party? I'm the one always hosting the dam party. Or being invited to others. Your the loser who sits at home and creeps our pics and posts on Facebook and is Sooo upset you call in noise complaints to ruin our fun because you're not apart of it Actually, I go to a party twice a year with the Goons. It actually gets livestreamed in Twitch and people watch it. I feel really sorry for those people. Roman837 wrote: You got us old master poster Cpm. You have proven that if we don't always read the forums and make stupid posts....that our voices won't be heard. You got us! We post in the war room. Where pc players belong. Look what happens when we do post? You try to **** on us. This change is directed at PC correct? Well shouldn't you be voicing the opinions of PC players? The role of a voted in member is not to push their own agenda and hope the masses back them. It's to voice the members wishes...and represent them. Even if you don't agree. Your a voice. A tool. We the pc players make up a huge majority of active players. And I am among the most active of that group. I am voicing the opinions and thoughts of our players. Collectively. ..I bet they think you're an idiot for pushing your own a agenda on a topic you don't even participate in. Please stick to your area of expertise. Getting crushed in pubs. PC players aren't everyone, and the goal is to expand PC. Not keep it contained in Roman's boat. The War Room is a great place for the PC community to interact, but you have to go to Feedback if you want to affect game development. I've only recommended like eighty times now that you go in the feedback board and review the proposed changes in those threads and respond there. As Rattati reads every post in those threads. I am not sure what you think you have to complain about with not being listened to, because you're being told exactly where you can go speak and be heard. And my actual job is not just to mimic what everyone on the forums tells me to to CCP. We're supposed to collate data, gather opinions, filter out bad data, and generate recommendations. Our job naturally entails determining when someone's feedback is really really biased and taking that into account. The fact you think PC players make up a "huge majority" of active players is distinctly hilarious. I might hang that quote up on my wall. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 678	Posted - 2015.01.22 15:46:00 - [118] - Quote I can agree with you, but I also agree that players who haven't done PC have a right to make an impact on the new changes. Unless we want them to continue to not play it? We muse remember the reason they're not playing it in the first place. "Anybody order chaos?"
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 881	Posted - 2015.01.22 16:23:00 - [119] - Quote Looks like CCP reads these posts aswell as they have been liking my posts. Want this game to die? Don't listen to me or other PC players. This is where you are the delusional one. We are the majority. Our corps are the pc corps. We are the ones killing and being killed. We are the ones playing that collects your data. Hence why every player in the top 200 om any leader board is a person who plays pc. That's why all top 20 weekly corp stats are from corps who play pc. We play the most. In pubs and pc. You want to make changes that mainly represent the causal players? The ones who might long on for an hour? Talk about a **** up logic. You would slap in the face those who are the most dedicated to appease the ones who are not? Mark my words. Put this on your wall post up. Anger the PC community and watch dust die. Anger the leaders who control those players...watch dust die. Continue listening to people who have no dam clue what they talking about. Watch dust die. Write that on your ***** wall. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 881	Posted - 2015.01.22 16:42:00 - [120] - Quote If CCP wanted the best ever data collection and feed back possible. They wouldn't need me to make a post that will just get lost in a sea of us less posts. They will contact us. You know what would be the most amazing thing ever? If one day I work up and logged on and my notifications on dust said "your district on oddelulf has been attacked" and then in the description of who attacked us. It would be CCP. I would have a nightmare picking who to bring in. People would be so super excited. Everyone would love that. A chance to show CCP how much we love their game. ..by stomping them with our favorite suits and weapons. This game isn't stats and numbers. It's team work. Planning. Organization. Moral...and being able to raise your players moral. We worked for where we're at. Wasn't easy mode like your suggesting. We're proud of our accomplishments. Don't take it away Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law

A-P-P-Baby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 240	Posted - 2015.01.22 16:58:00 - [121] - Quote Everyone's opinions should be valid. Roman, you're an abrasive individual. If you want your voice heard you could do it much more intelligently and constructively. Why don't you elect a diplomatic secretary from your newly created chat to take notes and gather the opinions? Have that person bring the opinions of the PC community as a whole to the proper channels in a polite and diplomatic way. Make sure that everyone agrees and makes it known that this person speaks for your custom channel of PC leaders and have him/her voice your concerns and feedback. You definitely should not be the one doing it. With that being said, I do agree that CCP should make a point of speaking directly to the active PC community and gathering as much data from them as possible. Most people I know who play PC daily want it to thrive. They want it to be more accessible to all. They want to fight someone different and not the same 7 groups of players every night. They are the ones who know more than anyone what is broken and what works. They are the ones staring at the star map every night and cross referencing with dotlan and various websites and spending countless hours not playing dust or on the forums. They are organizing, plotting, gathering intel. They are the ones having meetings with smaller corps and trying to give them districts to get them into PC. There is no way that CCP should be shutting out anyone's opinion be it of the average lone wolf pub guy or the most active PC involved CEO They call me "Mr. Vacation"... I used to be relevant, but I learned to delegate so I could island hop
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 881	Posted - 2015.01.22 17:09:00 - [122] - Quote For a person I have never had a conversation with you seem to presume to know me. Abrasives? Is that the word your choosing to replace honest with? Or the words straight forward? How about I know what I am talking about. The second half of your message is a very accurate description of me. You stalking me? My posts here may be "abrasive" but any one who has ever had me on comms with them know I am a great communicator and very pleasant. The reason I am being so "abrasive" is because I am in panic mode. I am in damage control mode. These changes will ruin our game. They will make my players not log on. I owe those players the loyalty to stand up for them. I owe players I fight with daily the loyalty to fight for their game. Put CCP the CPM and myself with a few chosen individuals in a room together and give us an hour. CPM will be fired and dust will be on the right track. And a few people will cry their selves to sleep after receiving the most intense and articulate verbal bashing they have ever received. This game is our passion. Don't **** with it Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Arcadiia Kain The Naughty Ninjas 6	Posted - 2015.01.22 17:27:00 - [123] - Quote Wow.... Ok, so.....Roman and CPM Whatever your name is....grow up. Seriously, both of you are supposed to represent something here. CPM respresenting CCPs interest, and Roman, a corp that commands respect (though personally, alot has been lost by me the further ive read). You bicker like two little schoolgirls. Stop it already. So, first let me say, I have played less than a year. I own just under 20m sp. Im lucky to have 20m isk in my own pocket. I have participated in a few PC battles. Now, lets start with what sucks about DUST, what I hear the most from everyone I know, those who PC, and those who don't. Protostomping pub matches. In a pub, your average player doesnt even have access, or funds to run proto. In fact, losing 2 suits means you are in the hole for the match. Have you seen guys die 10 times in a match, and known they were in proto the entire time? I have. Hell, I have put some of these guys down more than 5 times in a match, myself. Now, ask yourselves, who can lose 10 proto suits in pubs and not bat an eye? You guessed it, Murphy's Law, NS, AE, and those corps who own MH. These are the only guys doing this. You talk like you ARE the game. You ARE the playerbase. What you are is what IS killing this game. And what you are afraid of is losing your advantage. Part of me is warm and fuzzy watching you squirm at the idea that the easy pub stomps may come to a halt as the rest of the community gets a bite of your exclusive PC empire, and the ISK that comes with it. A good bit of you are nothing without your overpriced gear. Many of you die over and over to my Nomad's Rifle. I see so much cheap BS from your part of the community that it makes me cringe. Most of DUST's modded controller users.....you guys. Many of you aren't Elite, you are just so afraid of losing that you will stoop to any low to avoid it. That isn't being competitive, it's being downright thuggish. And it DOES drive people away. I have seen it. I have watched friends enjoy their way through battle academy, only to enter their first Niyan pubstomping....and delete DUST forever. I have played many shooters, and this one is the most brutal....because of the cheap "elite". If CCP knew what was good for them, proto wouldnt be allowed in pubs. Scrams and other commonly abused guns would have a hard cap on the ROF, and DUST would be a much more popular game. But we all know this is never going to happen. My corp wants to be part of the End Game. We know we cant compete with the "cheap elite" or even the fewer real Elite. We want to see the day when small, hard fighting corps who fight tooth and nail to make a name for themselves can compete with other small, growing corps. Three months into our life, we have enough for a clone pack. We have willing ringers saying "Do it, we will help you". Guys that CAN help us get the job done. So why havent we? Whats the point? It's so expensive that we won't be able to hold onto it. Even if we defend it when you come back the next day, we wont have the money for the clones when you do it the third day. Too much old money in the PC community. This is what makes it exclusive. Its not that we arent willing, its the sheer investment involved, and at the risk of just losing even more. We cant afford to run proto gear every time we spawn in any match we play. And even if we did, not all of us want to. To wrap up, I want to say that Roman surprised me. In the end, he made a suggestion. And a solid one. And Mr CPM.....his idea actually differs from the warbarge idea inany ways. Your shameful way of attacking him by saying its the same idea was just childish. You need to get past the self importance your title has given you and stay focused on ypur duty as CPM. Roman, don't gloat about that, you got issues, too, man. Im sure both of you are cool cats, and I'm sure I would like you both if I had the chance to play with you, but you guys vant take that crap to private messages and not make us read ypur petty bickering just to get to the meat of the problem. The Naughty Ninjas CEO Minmatar scout/assault
altair Dovahkiin Minmatar Republic 15	Posted - 2015.01.22 17:55:00 - [124] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Looks like CCP reads these posts aswell as they have been liking my posts. Want this game to die? Don't listen to me or other PC players. This is where you are the delusional one. We are the majority. Our corps are the pc corps. We are the ones killing and being killed. We are the ones playing that collects your data. Hence why every player in the top 200 om any leader board is a person who plays pc. That's why all top 20 weekly corp stats are from corps who play pc. We play the most. In pubs and pc. You want to make changes that mainly represent the causal players? The ones who might long on for an hour? Talk about a **** up logic. You would slap in the face those who are the most dedicated to appease the ones who are not? Mark my words. Put this on your wall post up. Anger the PC community and watch dust die. Anger the leaders who control those players...watch dust die. Continue listening to people who have no dam clue what they talking about. Watch dust die. Write that on your ***** wall. hello Roman I have to disagree with you. I work for a vary large company as a service representative and the opinion from a customer who does not buy our product is as important if not more then the customer,s who do buy them. this is why our company is one of the top in the world in our field. do not forget this may be a game to some but it is a business and to get more people in pc is good business and a if a few vet walk do to the changes then they were leaving anyway. you forget they have two more game modes full of player who spend money as well. so to get them involved will make them spend even more money. so if a hundred vet who spent hundred's of eur,gbp,hkd,inr,jpy,krw,mxn,rub,aed and usd get mad and quit but are replaced by a thousand who will spent the some. well that called business and as far as your NFL point it fall on it's face as the players do not buy the tickets fans do. no one is paying to see pc battle's. so mark my words your crying will go unnoticed as a customer who is never happy to be push aside like the customer i just got off the phone with so unless you tone it down a bit. all this will be for noting. Bravery doesn't mean you aren't scared. It means you go anyway
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 881	Posted - 2015.01.22 18:33:00 - [125] - Quote Proto stomping in pubs is the issue? So...we should wear lower tier gear that we earned....to make things easier for you to kill us? Want to know why we wear proto gear in pubs? Because pubs is our practice to our pc. Ww que in with full squads. Not random squads. Our squads are selected from our corps...thay meet the needs of battle. Usually a heavy a logi and some assaults and scouts. And in that pub...we work together. And when I get killed in my proto heavy my proto logi with a needle picks me up. Yup I did 10 times. ...I lost 2 suits. Guess how we got that Isk. We grinded for it. You called my corp rich? Guess how much isk is in our corp wallet. Under 50 millions. Guess how much is in my personal wallet. 500 millions. 2 years of playing this game. .no other games. ..hundreds of pcs. And I have 500 million. Ans all of that I give away daily to poorer players. Bigger news flash. Guess how I saved up that isk. Buying and running aurum. Oh no...did Roman just admit that he used a system that ccp set up. Yup. I've probly spent 600 bucks on this game on aurum packs. Wait...what's that? There's more...Roman. how do you pay all of your players isk to keep them running proto? I buy plex on eve. And then give eve players eve isk. They then give me dust isk. Billions. So...how do I keep my guys affording their isk? With my real life money. Taxes pubs and pc...do not make corps money. You are very off the mark if you think after 6 pcs a night I say..wow...I made a tone of isk. I say...wow that was fun! Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 410	Posted - 2015.01.22 19:09:00 - [126] - Quote A-P-P-Baby wrote: Everyone's opinions should be valid. Roman, you're an abrasive individual. If you want your voice heard you could do it much more intelligently and constructively. Why don't you elect a diplomatic secretary from your newly created chat to take notes and gather the opinions? Have that person bring the opinions of the PC community as a whole to the proper channels in a polite and diplomatic way. Make sure that everyone agrees and makes it known that this person speaks for your custom channel of PC leaders and have him/her voice your concerns and feedback. You definitely should not be the one doing it. With that being said, I do agree that CCP should make a point of speaking directly to the active PC community and gathering as much data from them as possible. Most people I know who play PC daily want it to thrive. They want it to be more accessible to all. They want to fight someone different and not the same 7 groups of players every night. They are the ones who know more than anyone what is broken and what works. They are the ones staring at the star map every night and cross referencing with dotlan and various websites and spending countless hours not playing dust or on the forums. They are organizing, plotting, gathering intel. They are the ones having meetings with smaller corps and trying to give them districts to get them into PC. There is no way that CCP should be shutting out anyone's opinion be it of the average lone wolf pub guy or the most active PC involved CEO He's actually very passionate. But in his passion for this game, he becomes very abrasive and single minded for fear that change will destroy the game. I can see where soraya is coming from and I see where you are coming from. I don't play dust often but when I do, I love me some pc. I would love it more if more groups played as was mentioned, not just the same amount of guys. Pc is broken right now. It shouldn't require the community to reach a Geneva convention for molden heath warfare. I think the aim of cpm and ccp is to put pc in a place where no single entity can hold a monopoly over the existing districts, let alone obtain one in a week or two. That's just ridiculous. That's what makes eve great. Sure you have goons, but they can't own the cluster. Would opening all low sec and null sec distorts make a difference? Or not? Eliminate passive ISK? Actually, not that wouldn't work because those seven groups would just have more to work with. We would have what we have now on a bigger scale. I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)
Arcadiia Kain The Naughty Ninjas 7	Posted - 2015.01.22 19:15:00 - [127] - Quote Really? You call that practice? Half the guys in pubs are in militia gear. Don't disrespect yourself to us like that! You either failed to read it all, or subtly forgot the entire part about cheap tactics like modded controllers, which some of your guys run (dont act like you dont know). Combine all this, you have a recipie for keeping new players away from this game. I have seen less cheapness per capita in cod games for christ sake. You know what kept me here despite all that crap? Loyalty. Loyalty to ccp and new eden. I spent $60 on dust this month, $70 last month. I encourage my corp to spend on it, too. I never said Aurum was a bad thing. In the contrary, if there was a "premium subscription", Iwould pay it. Thats how much I believe in the universe CCP built. Despite that, many aspects of this game are fundamentally flawed. Like PC. Do I believe you shouldn't wear the gear you earn? No. I don't feel that way at all. Do I feel that teiring works well in this game? Nope. CCP would find its player base growing if the players could choose the level if competition they play at. MLT-STD, STD-ADV, ADV-PROTO, meta mashup, PC. CCP is so "sandbox" that they dont even realize why their playerbase isnt growing. And I hate that. Such a style works for EVE, but DUST was to appeal to a larger target audience, and that target audience is fickle. Then there is "you guys" Someone said 10%.... Stop acting like you ARE DUST. You aren't. You are well outnumbered by the rest of us, and we deserve to enjoy all aspects of this game as much as you self proclaimed "elite" do. And btw, your personal wallet well exceeds the combined wallet of 20 average players. Your corp wallet may be smaller than my corp wallet currently, but Older corps have much, much more, due to a system CCP deemed abused and broken. I left this game for 2 months due to hand injuries sustauned in a motorcycle accident. Before I left, I never heard of your corp, when I returned, I saw you everywhere (and was impressed). Things change, man. Adapt and overcome. The Naughty Ninjas CEO Minmatar scout/assault
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 883	Posted - 2015.01.22 19:22:00 - [128] - Quote Arcadiia Kain wrote: Really? You call that practice? Half the guys in pubs are in militia gear. Don't disrespect yourself to us like that! You either failed to read it all, or subtly forgot the entire part about cheap tactics like modded controllers, which some of your guys run (dont act like you dont know). Combine all this, you have a recipie for keeping new players away from this game. I have seen less cheapness per capita in cod games for christ sake. You know what kept me here despite all that crap? Loyalty. Loyalty to ccp and new eden. I spent $60 on dust this month, $70 last month. I encourage my corp to spend on it, too. I never said Aurum was a bad thing. In the contrary, if there was a "premium subscription", Iwould pay it. Thats how much I believe in the universe CCP built. Despite that, many aspects of this game are fundamentally flawed. Like PC. Do I believe you shouldn't wear the gear you earn? No. I don't feel that way at all. Do I feel that teiring works well in this game? Nope. CCP would find its player base growing if the players could choose the level if competition they play at. MLT-STD, STD-ADV, ADV-PROTO, meta mashup, PC. CCP is so "sandbox" that they dont even realize why their playerbase isnt growing. And I hate that. Such a style works for EVE, but DUST was to appeal to a larger target audience, and that target audience is fickle. Then there is "you guys" Someone said 10%.... Stop acting like you ARE DUST. You aren't. You are well outnumbered by the rest of us, and we deserve to enjoy all aspects of this game as much as you self proclaimed "elite" do. And btw, your personal wallet well exceeds the combined wallet of 20 average players. Your corp wallet may be smaller than my corp wallet currently, but Older corps have much, much more, due to a system CCP deemed abused and broken. I left this game for 2 months due to hand injuries sustauned in a motorcycle accident. Before I left, I never heard of your corp, when I returned, I saw you everywhere (and was impressed). Things change, man. Adapt and overcome. So many random points to this to respond to. If we don't represent the majority. ...why don't you all form a group and smash us? If we are vastly outnumbered use that to your advantage. Take us out. Earn your place in pc. We did. did you not read how I got that 500 million. 2 years of playing. Using aurum. Buying eve plex and trading for dust isk. You guys think we have billions we do not. One corp did. Nyain. Agreed. They broke 500 billion.. you want easy mode enabled. Why? Because you want to be where we are at...but faster. To lazy to get here how we did. That is the issue. You kids these days. Want everything handed to them. Others work hard to pave the road for you. Then you show up....and not only do you use our road...you want us to come pick you up to. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Jack Galen Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 11	Posted - 2015.01.22 19:27:00 - [129] - Quote Roman837 wrote: So....should ccp reset eve? Who cares how hard the players who currently play have worked to get that far....let's accommodate the other people. Ha, that's funny. I fly in Eve. The difference there is that new players can be useful in Eve, by doing things like scramming and webbing people (no matter how basic a warp scrambler is, it still will scramble warp cores). Don't tell me that the same is true here, because no new player could be taken into a major PC and do anything other than die. Repeatedly. This is what Eve has over DUST; new players can join straight in with the vets. Two things are the reason: first, those in PC can afford to keep their districts, whereas fighting to keep a district just isn't viable as a small time corp. An old one I was in tried it, and it was great...for five days. We then got cleanly KOed by a long time PC corporation, who could easily finance attack after attack. We couldn't. The other issue is the lack of physical skill - DUST is different from other shooters, and takes time to learn how to play properly. You guys have the tight knit, tactical and wise group of people, which give you the immense advantage. The second point is absolutely fine, and should be encouraged, but it is very hard to get that and keep it going when trying to start regularly PCing is as demoralising as it currently is. But hey, that's just my opinion. Everything in moderation.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5821	Posted - 2015.01.22 19:41:00 - [130] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Arcadiia Kain wrote: Really? You call that practice? Half the guys in pubs are in militia gear. Don't disrespect yourself to us like that! You either failed to read it all, or subtly forgot the entire part about cheap tactics like modded controllers, which some of your guys run (dont act like you dont know). Combine all this, you have a recipie for keeping new players away from this game. I have seen less cheapness per capita in cod games for christ sake. You know what kept me here despite all that crap? Loyalty. Loyalty to ccp and new eden. I spent $60 on dust this month, $70 last month. I encourage my corp to spend on it, too. I never said Aurum was a bad thing. In the contrary, if there was a "premium subscription", Iwould pay it. Thats how much I believe in the universe CCP built. Despite that, many aspects of this game are fundamentally flawed. Like PC. Do I believe you shouldn't wear the gear you earn? No. I don't feel that way at all. Do I feel that teiring works well in this game? Nope. CCP would find its player base growing if the players could choose the level if competition they play at. MLT-STD, STD-ADV, ADV-PROTO, meta mashup, PC. CCP is so "sandbox" that they dont even realize why their playerbase isnt growing. And I hate that. Such a style works for EVE, but DUST was to appeal to a larger target audience, and that target audience is fickle. Then there is "you guys" Someone said 10%.... Stop acting like you ARE DUST. You aren't. You are well outnumbered by the rest of us, and we deserve to enjoy all aspects of this game as much as you self proclaimed "elite" do. And btw, your personal wallet well exceeds the combined wallet of 20 average players. Your corp wallet may be smaller than my corp wallet currently, but Older corps have much, much more, due to a system CCP deemed abused and broken. I left this game for 2 months due to hand injuries sustauned in a motorcycle accident. Before I left, I never heard of your corp, when I returned, I saw you everywhere (and was impressed). Things change, man. Adapt and overcome. So many random points to this to respond to. If we don't represent the majority. ...why don't you all form a group and smash us? If we are vastly outnumbered use that to your advantage. Take us out. Earn your place in pc. We did. did you not read how I got that 500 million. 2 years of playing. Using aurum. Buying eve plex and trading for dust isk. You guys think we have billions we do not. One corp did. Nyain. Agreed. They broke 500 billion.. you want easy mode enabled. Why? Because you want to be where we are at...but faster. To lazy to get here how we did. That is the issue. You kids these days. Want everything handed to them. Others work hard to pave the road for you. Then you show up....and not only do you use our road...you want us to come pick you up to. Good job dude. I think they are coming around to respecting your opinion. I doubt they are going to push CCP to do anything other than whatever your future proposal says. Try calling them scrubs and horrible people in general. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5821	Posted - 2015.01.22 19:46:00 - [131] - Quote Jack Galen wrote: Roman837 wrote: So....should ccp reset eve? Who cares how hard the players who currently play have worked to get that far....let's accommodate the other people. Ha, that's funny. I fly in Eve. The difference there is that new players can be useful in Eve, by doing things like scramming and webbing people (no matter how basic a warp scrambler is, it still will scramble warp cores). Don't tell me that the same is true here, because no new player could be taken into a major PC and do anything other than die. Repeatedly. This is what Eve has over DUST; new players can join straight in with the vets. Two things are the reason: first, those in PC can afford to keep their districts, whereas fighting to keep a district just isn't viable as a small time corp. An old one I was in tried it, and it was great...for five days. We then got cleanly KOed by a long time PC corporation, who could easily finance attack after attack. We couldn't. The other issue is the lack of physical skill - DUST is different from other shooters, and takes time to learn how to play properly. You guys have the tight knit, tactical and wise group of people, which give you the immense advantage. The second point is absolutely fine, and should be encouraged, but it is very hard to get that and keep it going when trying to start regularly PCing is as demoralising as it currently is. But hey, that's just my opinion. Everything in moderation. Imagine Eve if it were locked to 16 vs 16. Same maps 24/7. Then imagine if the only place to join a fleet bigger than 6 is null sec. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 374	Posted - 2015.01.22 20:05:00 - [132] - Quote Roman837 wrote: The reason I am being so "abrasive" is because I am in panic mode. I am in damage control mode. These changes will ruin our game. They will make my players not log on. Why? Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
brown COWgirl Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2015.01.22 20:22:00 - [133] - Quote Roman837 wrote: That is the issue. You kids these days. Want everything handed to them. Others work hard to pave the road for you. Then you show up....and not only do you use our road...you want us to come pick you up to. I'm sorry who's the kid's here mommy cry cry they change the rules of the game I'm going quit now. sniff sniff so I say again WHO IS THE KID HERE.
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 884	Posted - 2015.01.22 20:41:00 - [134] - Quote brown COWgirl wrote: Roman837 wrote: That is the issue. You kids these days. Want everything handed to them. Others work hard to pave the road for you. Then you show up....and not only do you use our road...you want us to come pick you up to. I'm sorry who's the kid's here mommy cry cry they change the rules of the game I'm going quit now. sniff sniff so I say again WHO IS THE KID HERE. I've been in the game since the beginning. I've been through every situation this game has thrown. This is not crying Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5533	Posted - 2015.01.22 20:45:00 - [135] - Quote Roman837 wrote: This is not crying This thread is actually the greatest example of Internet crying I have ever seen. And I have seen a lot of Internet crying. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law 878	Posted - 2015.01.22 20:57:00 - [136] - Quote PC players are phaggots, pubstars are the real voice of the community. As I'm writing this, a pub star is proposing/agreeing with region lock for PC. 10100111001 Shield tanking is hard mode /period. 10100111001
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 884	Posted - 2015.01.22 21:07:00 - [137] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Roman837 wrote: This is not crying This thread is actually the greatest example of Internet crying I have ever seen. And I have seen a lot of Internet crying. So with these changes...are you going to enter pc? What happens....When. .If you do enter....we adapt...team up. ..and just wipe you out. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5533	Posted - 2015.01.22 21:09:00 - [138] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Roman837 wrote: This is not crying This thread is actually the greatest example of Internet crying I have ever seen. And I have seen a lot of Internet crying. So with these changes...are you going to enter pc? What happens....When. .If you do enter....we adapt...team up. ..and just wipe you out. I am very hopeful the new PC system will be a lot more interesting and engaging, and I will find it worthwhile enough to participate in. Should you choose to come after me, I suppose that's a thing people do in Planetary Conquest, so more power to you. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 884	Posted - 2015.01.22 21:13:00 - [139] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Roman837 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Roman837 wrote: This is not crying This thread is actually the greatest example of Internet crying I have ever seen. And I have seen a lot of Internet crying. So with these changes...are you going to enter pc? What happens....When. .If you do enter....we adapt...team up. ..and just wipe you out. I am very hopeful the new PC system will be a lot more interesting and engaging, and I will find it worthwhile enough to participate in. Should you choose to come after me, I suppose that's a thing people do in Planetary Conquest, so more power to you. It is very engaging now. It is why we still play. You just are to lazy to get into it now. Want us to give you our 3 districts and 5 billion isk? Wait 2 weeks...then see where your at? Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 884	Posted - 2015.01.22 21:15:00 - [140] - Quote You will be in the same place your at now. Not in pc. and yes. If you wreck our game. I will be waiting for you to get a district. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5533	Posted - 2015.01.22 21:17:00 - [141] - Quote Roman837 wrote: and yes. If you wreck our game. I will be waiting for you to get a district. Glad to hear you'll be playing the new version of Planetary Conquest! :D /troll CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 374	Posted - 2015.01.22 21:20:00 - [142] - Quote Roman837 wrote: It is very engaging now. It is why we still play. You just are to lazy to get into it now. Want us to give you our 3 districts and 5 billion isk? Wait 2 weeks...then see where your at? Is Murphys Law really that good? Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 884	Posted - 2015.01.22 21:21:00 - [143] - Quote Freccia di Lybra wrote: Roman837 wrote: It is very engaging now. It is why we still play. You just are to lazy to get into it now. Want us to give you our 3 districts and 5 billion isk? Wait 2 weeks...then see where your at? Is Murphys Law really that good? Attack us. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 374	Posted - 2015.01.22 21:27:00 - [144] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Freccia di Lybra wrote: Roman837 wrote: It is very engaging now. It is why we still play. You just are to lazy to get into it now. Want us to give you our 3 districts and 5 billion isk? Wait 2 weeks...then see where your at? Is Murphys Law really that good? Attack us. Do you even know who you're talking to? Look, I seriously would regroup all my former corporation just to stop your wanton elitism, if I could. Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7344	Posted - 2015.01.22 21:30:00 - [145] - Quote Atiim wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I never said he wasn't knowledgeable, nor do I doubt his PC experience or skill. Just that there are more levels of knowledge, and that being part of a broader discussion with a broader group will yield better results for Dust as a whole. I may disagree with people like Kain at times, but at least I can respect him bringing the discussion to the appropriate places and not feeling the need to hide from everyone. The problem with "there being more levels of knowledge", is that there aren't. If you haven't participated in Planetary Conquest you can't comment on which mecanics are bad and which ones are good, nor can you suggest which ones need to be improved on because your Intel is based on hearsay and is likely incorrect. These forums only consist of about 100 people at best, and when you have a playerbase of 4k that means only 3% of them will actually be heard by the DEVs. Compared to a channel with well over 100 members who are representing corps and groups with around 200+ members it's feedback on the forums which is actually being hidden. That aside, I don't see why so many players in this thread are opposed to CCP going into the channel to collect feedback from the ones who know what they're talking about. You'll still be able to make your terrible suggestions and act as if you know what you're talking about, but CCP will simply have feedback that will actually improve the situation. Brainstorming is about throwing as many ideas out there as you can, and then whittling them down. I have no problem with people telling me my bad ideas are bad. I ask why. They explain, and thus I have new knowledge I didn't have before. I am not saying that the rest of the community is smarter or more knowledgeable about PC. I am saying that there are enough smart, intelligent, non PC Dust players that can contribute to the discussion in one form or fashion. If they can't explain, or give reasons that suggest their ideas are in fact self serving, then it is important to point that out. This community may not have a lot of PC players, or even a lot of the player base, but it IS comprised of gamers, who may have outside experience, and have new ideas or features that would be excellent for end game content like PC. The forums are essentially a way to crowd source. Creativity is not monopolized by PC players. I don't care that they are collaborating and coming up with ideas. Being proactive is good. But it makes me and other question whether PC or being part of a corp is something I ever want to be part of when they suggest that their ideas are the only ones that should matter, and that they are too good to be part of the discussion with the rest of the community, which is how this thread comes off. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5535	Posted - 2015.01.22 21:31:00 - [146] - Quote Freccia di Lybra wrote: Roman837 wrote: Attack us. Do you even know who you're talking to? Look, I seriously would regroup all my former corporation just to stop your wanton elitism, if I could. I want to buy tickets to this. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7344	Posted - 2015.01.22 21:32:00 - [147] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Freccia di Lybra wrote: Roman837 wrote: Attack us. Do you even know who you're talking to? Look, I seriously would regroup all my former corporation just to stop your wanton elitism, if I could. I want to buy tickets to this. Do it. PLEAASE!!! Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 886	Posted - 2015.01.22 21:33:00 - [148] - Quote Freccia di Lybra wrote: Roman837 wrote: Freccia di Lybra wrote: Roman837 wrote: It is very engaging now. It is why we still play. You just are to lazy to get into it now. Want us to give you our 3 districts and 5 billion isk? Wait 2 weeks...then see where your at? Is Murphys Law really that good? Attack us. Do you even know who you're talking to? Look, I seriously would regroup all my former corporation just to stop your wanton elitism, if I could. Not a clue. Nor do I care. You going to tell me..you use to be good or use to have a good team. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 377	Posted - 2015.01.22 21:35:00 - [149] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Freccia di Lybra wrote: Roman837 wrote: Freccia di Lybra wrote: Roman837 wrote: It is very engaging now. It is why we still play. You just are to lazy to get into it now. Want us to give you our 3 districts and 5 billion isk? Wait 2 weeks...then see where your at? Is Murphys Law really that good? Attack us. Do you even know who you're talking to? Look, I seriously would regroup all my former corporation just to stop your wanton elitism, if I could. Not a clue. Nor do I care. You going to tell me..you use to be good or use to have a good team. Then, sir, you have no word in anything PC related. Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 886	Posted - 2015.01.22 21:40:00 - [150] - Quote Attack us. [/quote] Do you even know who you're talking to? Look, I seriously would regroup all my former corporation just to stop your wanton elitism, if I could.[/quote] Not a clue. Nor do I care. You going to tell me..you use to be good or use to have a good team.[/quote] Then, sir, you have no word in anything PC related. [/quote] lol. You some scrub some from scrub corp who was in 5 pcs before? Hilarious. And also so cute that you think you were ever important. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law

Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 379	Posted - 2015.01.22 23:26:00 - [151] - Quote Roman837 wrote: lol. You some scrub some from scrub corp who was in 5 pcs before? Hilarious. And also so cute that you think you were ever important. Yes, 5. Oh God... Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 889	Posted - 2015.01.22 23:35:00 - [152] - Quote Are you saying Maphia clan use to be a big player in pc? Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 379	Posted - 2015.01.23 00:06:00 - [153] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Are you saying Maphia clan use to be a big player in pc? Never said that. Big players have been Seraphim, What the French, Synergy, Teamplayers, GAC, AE, Outer Heaven and Nyan. But that's it. Still, owning Sakulda V for three months and lose it when all of our players left is at least honorable to me. You are acting like PC is yours and you and your corporation rule PC. You also pretend that the same PC that drove away my mates from Dust is ok, timers which destroyed my alliance are ok, and that no one except you and other few has the right to decide what's wrong and what is right. Fly down, if there still was the corporations I mentioned above and all the other corporation that disappeared, you or your corporation wouldn't even have the possibility to play a PC match. And you would be in the same situation as the newberries you are harassing. The timer thing is a very old issue and thanks God they've finally woke up but there are still the framerate lag and the network lag issues to be solved. Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
Stryker Syx Vector D3ATH CARD RUST415 81	Posted - 2015.01.23 00:12:00 - [154] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Are you saying Maphia clan use to be a big player in pc? I thought Canadians were supposed to be nice
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 891	Posted - 2015.01.23 00:21:00 - [155] - Quote Freccia di Lybra wrote: Roman837 wrote: Are you saying Maphia clan use to be a big player in pc? Never said that. Big players have been Seraphim, What the French, Synergy, Teamplayers, GAC, AE, Outer Heaven and Nyan. But that's it. Still, owning Sakulda V for three months and lose it when all of our players left is at least honorable to me. You are acting like PC is yours and you and your corporation rule PC. You also pretend that the same PC that drove away my mates from Dust is ok, timers which destroyed my alliance are ok, and that no one except you and other few has the right to decide what's wrong and what is right. Fly down, if there still was the corporations I mentioned above and all the other corporation that disappeared, you or your corporation wouldn't even have the possibility to play a PC match. And you would be in the same situation as the newberries you are harassing. The timer thing is a very old issue and thanks God they've finally woke up but there are still the framerate lag and the network lag issues to be solved. Haha haha hahahaha. Oh god that's funny. You owned one planet did you? Awsome job. I've been in pc since it came out. Fought in every major war. PC is a daily thing for me. The corps you mentioned. Know me. I have fought all of them. This is why we don't post in general discussion or in feed back. Because it's pointless talking to the people who dwell here. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1884	Posted - 2015.01.23 00:28:00 - [156] - Quote Stryker Syx Vector wrote: Roman837 wrote: Are you saying Maphia clan use to be a big player in pc? I thought Canadians were supposed to be ~~nice~~ literate FTFY
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 380	Posted - 2015.01.23 00:31:00 - [157] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Freccia di Lybra wrote: Roman837 wrote: Are you saying Maphia clan use to be a big player in pc? Never said that. Big players have been Seraphim, What the French, Synergy, Teamplayers, GAC, AE, Outer Heaven and Nyan. But that's it. Still, owning Sakulda V for three months and lose it when all of our players left is at least honorable to me. You are acting like PC is yours and you and your corporation rule PC. You also pretend that the same PC that drove away my mates from Dust is ok, timers which destroyed my alliance are ok, and that no one except you and other few has the right to decide what's wrong and what is right. Fly down, if there still was the corporations I mentioned above and all the other corporation that disappeared, you or your corporation wouldn't even have the possibility to play a PC match. And you would be in the same situation as the newberries you are harassing. The timer thing is a very old issue and thanks God they've finally woke up but there are still the framerate lag and the network lag issues to be solved. Haha haha hahahaha. Oh god that's funny. You owned one planet did you? Awsome job. I've been in pc since it came out. Fought in every major war. PC is a daily thing for me. The corps you mentioned. Know me. I have fought all of them. This is why we don't post in general discussion or in feed back. Because it's pointless talking to the people who dwell here. You fought all of them in STB? As far as I remember, STB were neutral toward us...and you're telling me you fought Cronos vs. Eon. Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 383	Posted - 2015.01.23 00:34:00 - [158] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Pc mechanics being changed should come from feed back of those that play it. You won't hear me making any claims or ideas in regards to tanking because you will never catch me in one. The changes being proposed are by people who have no clue what they are talking about. They are hypothesising in other words talking out their dam asses How is that sifferent from anything else that has been changed for the worst? CCP did listen to people who don't tank, don't like tanks and simply want them out of the equation. Same criteria as usual. PC will be no different. Having said that, I don't PC therefore CCP will surely hear my plea to add pet battles and take out proto suits to PC. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
Arcadiia Kain The Naughty Ninjas 10	Posted - 2015.01.23 01:18:00 - [159] - Quote Roman, Dude. The further along this thread goes, the more clinicly delusional you apear to be. Your corp shows up a few months ago and takes some districts, and now YOU (im talking about you alone) act like you ARE Dust. And the truth is, you dont amount to crap, yourself. You are nothing without the players who support you. All of whom came from somewhere else before that fell apart, and will go somewhere else when you RIP IT APART, because that is what delusional leaders do. I give you three months. You feed these "i am all important, i am god" lines to your corp. Moral begins to suffer. Couple guys leave. You suffer a few losses as a corp that hit you hard. A few more leave. Two new corps pop up, all formerly ML members. In a week, they own half your former districts. ML is reduced to a shadow of what it is now. You look back and realise this 35 year old "kid" has been around long enough to know how online communities roll, and he called it three months before it went down. It always goes down. You WILL fall. The Naughty Ninjas CEO Minmatar scout/assault
Stryker Syx Vector D3ATH CARD RUST415 82	Posted - 2015.01.23 01:27:00 - [160] - Quote Arcadiia Kain wrote: Roman, Dude. The further along this thread goes, the more clinicly delusional you apear to be. Your corp shows up a few months ago and takes some districts, and now YOU (im talking about you alone) act like you ARE Dust. And the truth is, you dont amount to crap, yourself. You are nothing without the players who support you. All of whom came from somewhere else before that fell apart, and will go somewhere else when you RIP IT APART, because that is what delusional leaders do. I give you three months. You feed these "i am all important, i am god" lines to your corp. Moral begins to suffer. Couple guys leave. You suffer a few losses as a corp that hit you hard. A few more leave. Two new corps pop up, all formerly ML members. In a week, they own half your former districts. ML is reduced to a shadow of what it is now. You look back and realise this 35 year old "kid" has been around long enough to know how online communities roll, and he called it three months before it went down. It always goes down. You WILL fall. Is there anyway I can vote for you to be president

Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 892	Posted - 2015.01.23 01:53:00 - [161] - Quote Arcadiia Kain wrote: Roman, Dude. The further along this thread goes, the more clinicly delusional you apear to be. Your corp shows up a few months ago and takes some districts, and now YOU (im talking about you alone) act like you ARE Dust. And the truth is, you dont amount to crap, yourself. You are nothing without the players who support you. All of whom came from somewhere else before that fell apart, and will go somewhere else when you RIP IT APART, because that is what delusional leaders do. I give you three months. You feed these "i am all important, i am god" lines to your corp. Moral begins to suffer. Couple guys leave. You suffer a few losses as a corp that hit you hard. A few more leave. Two new corps pop up, all formerly ML members. In a week, they own half your former districts. ML is reduced to a shadow of what it is now. You look back and realise this 35 year old "kid" has been around long enough to know how online communities roll, and he called it three months before it went down. It always goes down. You WILL fall. hahahahaha. Oh mman.we started this corp 5 months ago. From our former corp of 4 months. We have dominated in pc for 9 months. Before that we dominated in other corps. You people commenting have no clue what they talking about. Come pc with us. We have wiped people out. We have been wiped out. We're still here because we love the game. What ever changes happen. You think it's going to make us weak? Good luck Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Stryker Syx Vector D3ATH CARD RUST415 82	Posted - 2015.01.23 02:17:00 - [162] - Quote A god complex is an unshakable belief characterized by consistently inflated feelings of personal ability, privilege, or infallibility. A person with a god complex may refuse to admit the possibility of their error or failure, even in the face of complex or intractable problems or difficult or impossible tasks, or may regard their personal opinions as unquestionably correct. The individual may disregard the rules of society and require special consideration or privileges. AKA Roman.
danthrax martin Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 278	Posted - 2015.01.23 02:42:00 - [163] - Quote I'll just sit back and see if they cut off the legs of your high-horse... Then I'll laugh Pro Gal 'mando, Assault, Scout, Pro Sentinel ak.0 Suicidal A/V Moron General pain in the @ss
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 894	Posted - 2015.01.23 02:49:00 - [164] - Quote Do you morons...honestly think...that these changes will make us worse? No. What it's going to do....is make you think your good. This isn't going to take anything away from us. We fought tooth and nail to get where we are at. You typed on the forums. When these changes happen. ..and there is fighting to be done. Who do you thinks going to come out on top. We will. God complex. No. I'm a scrub player. Everyone knows this. But I'm one dam good FC and CEO. And I look after my guys. You are going to dilute what we worked hard to accomplish. Awsome. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 412	Posted - 2015.01.23 03:04:00 - [165] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Do you morons...honestly think...that these changes will make us worse? No. What it's going to do....is make you think your good. This isn't going to take anything away from us. We fought tooth and nail to get where we are at. You typed on the forums. When these changes happen. ..and there is fighting to be done. Who do you thinks going to come out on top. We will. God complex. No. I'm a scrub player. Everyone knows this. But I'm one dam good FC and CEO. And I look after my guys. You are going to dilute what we worked hard to accomplish. Awsome. So why are you worried about these changes for more competitive game play? You should be excited for more challenges right? I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 412	Posted - 2015.01.23 03:05:00 - [166] - Quote Freccia di Lybra wrote: Roman837 wrote: It is very engaging now. It is why we still play. You just are to lazy to get into it now. Want us to give you our 3 districts and 5 billion isk? Wait 2 weeks...then see where your at? Is Murphys Law really that good? they used to be sver true blood, I was in there with them. Roman is a very vocal guy lol I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 894	Posted - 2015.01.23 03:19:00 - [167] - Quote 137H4RGIC wrote: Roman837 wrote: Do you morons...honestly think...that these changes will make us worse? No. What it's going to do....is make you think your good. This isn't going to take anything away from us. We fought tooth and nail to get where we are at. You typed on the forums. When these changes happen. ..and there is fighting to be done. Who do you thinks going to come out on top. We will. God complex. No. I'm a scrub player. Everyone knows this. But I'm one dam good FC and CEO. And I look after my guys. You are going to dilute what we worked hard to accomplish. Awsome. So why are you worried about these changes for more competitive game play? You should be excited for more challenges right? What extra challenge is this going to provide? Why can't these people who want in pc now.....Join? So...everything we have worked for...is going to get wiped and changed....for what. To accommodate people for a week. Till we adapt. Then take over again Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 413	Posted - 2015.01.23 03:21:00 - [168] - Quote So if you're so confident that you will once again dominate, you have nothing to lose. Just wait for the changes and reestablish dominance I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 894	Posted - 2015.01.23 03:35:00 - [169] - Quote ...you don't seem to understand what changes they are proposing. Please go read them. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 416	Posted - 2015.01.23 03:48:00 - [170] - Quote I did. They are taking about changing the timers so isk fuels the reinforcement timer, and prohibiting district locking via minimum attack threshold. And changing how pay works I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)

Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 894	Posted - 2015.01.23 04:06:00 - [171] - Quote Watch what happens if they limit a corps ability to aim at achieving the ultimate goal. 100 percent. That should be everyone's goal. Owning everything. We should be able to pick and chose when our timers are. They are ours. We took them and own them. People should strive to be in pc. It should go...pubs....factional..then pc. Master them all before pc. Then. We administer pc on our own. We created tiers. Big corps don't smash small corps unless they training their new players. Anyone can join pc. If they have a team. And if they fight for it. Like we all did Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Arcadiia Kain The Naughty Ninjas 11	Posted - 2015.01.23 05:48:00 - [172] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Watch what happens if they limit a corps ability to aim at achieving the ultimate goal. 100 percent. That should be everyone's goal. Owning everything. We should be able to pick and chose when our timers are. They are ours. We took them and own them. People should strive to be in pc. It should go...pubs....factional..then pc. Master them all before pc. Then. We administer pc on our own. We created tiers. Big corps don't smash small corps unless they training their new players. Anyone can join pc. If they have a team. And if they fight for it. Like we all did And there you have it. The real reason for all this QQ. Selfishness. Roman would have it all an no one to contest his claim. This isn't about what is good for PC ir the overall DUST community, this is about what is good for Roman and Murphy's Law. **** the rest of us. Lock the thread on this fool. The Naughty Ninjas CEO Minmatar scout/assault
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5582	Posted - 2015.01.23 08:22:00 - [173] - Quote Arcadiia Kain wrote: And there you have it. The real reason for all this QQ. Selfishness. Roman would have it all an no one to contest his claim. This isn't about what is good for PC ir the overall DUST community, this is about what is good for Roman and Murphy's Law. **** the rest of us. Lock the thread on this fool. I figured this out like five pages ago. Which is why now if I'm going to respond to Roman, it's just for self-amusement. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1392	Posted - 2015.01.23 11:12:00 - [174] - Quote Arcadiia Kain wrote: [quote=Roman837]Watch what happens if they limit a corps ability to aim at achieving the ultimate goal. 100 percent. That should be everyone's goal. Owning everything. We should be able to pick and chose when our timers are. They are ours. We took them and own them. People should strive to be in pc. It should go...pubs....factional..then pc. Master them all before pc. Then. We administer pc on our own. We created tiers. Big corps don't smash small corps unless they training their new players. Anyone can join pc. If they have a team. And if they fight for it. Like we all did And there you have it. The real reason for all this QQ. Selfishness. Roman would have it all an no one to contest his claim. This isn't about what is good for PC ir the overall DUST community, this is about what is good for Roman and Murphy's Law. **** the rest of us. Lock the thread on this fool.[/quote The game mode is called Planetary Conquest not, Planetary Givequest. Not saying I agree with anyone but some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. You want in PC but you don't want to earn it. You want it to be handed to you on a silver platter. Roman is right, no matter what happens the elite will remain the elite. Then what? You guys going to come back and whine again for more changes? Sorya, you are a CPM. You should remain neutral on the forums. Posting your position and why you are pushing for said changes does not look good. I understand you are being transparent and thanks for that But you could be more tactful. Just "ignoring" a member of the community because he/she does not agree with you is very unbecoming of a CPM. IF I cared enough I would ask for your removal on those grounds alone. I use to play this game, but my dog got sick- Zatara the Pizza Boy
Arcadiia Kain The Naughty Ninjas 16	Posted - 2015.01.23 12:18:00 - [175] - Quote I dont want anything handed to me. Im fine with working for it. But they need to limut it so one corp can't own the majority of the land. This is the big issue, the point everyone is missing. CCP doesn't want you to have so much of the pie. It's that simple. This is CCP's game. They have control....not your 10% of the population. Suck it up and deal with it. I'm off this thread. The Naughty Ninjas CEO Minmatar scout/assault
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1393	Posted - 2015.01.23 13:00:00 - [176] - Quote Arcadiia Kain wrote: I dont want anything handed to me. Im fine with working for it. But they need to limut it so one corp can't own the majority of the land. This is the big issue, the point everyone is missing. CCP doesn't want you to have so much of the pie. It's that simple. This is CCP's game. They have control....not your 10% of the population. Suck it up and deal with it. I'm off this thread. Oh, I see, you want Planetary ALMOST Conquest. It should not be up to CCP to have control and to limit a corp from holding districts. It should be up to YOU the player from limiting that from happening. lol You're just lazy and want a handout I use to play this game, but my dog got sick- Zatara the Pizza Boy
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law 882	Posted - 2015.01.23 13:08:00 - [177] - Quote Arcadiia Kain wrote: I dont want anything handed to me. Im fine with working for it. But they need to limut it so one corp can't own the majority of the land. This is the big issue, the point everyone is missing. CCP doesn't want you to have so much of the pie. It's that simple. This is CCP's game. They have control....not your 10% of the population. Suck it up and deal with it. I'm off this thread. Before you go, I'd just like to tell you that your thoughts are stupid and granted. "They need to limit it so one corp can't own the majority of the land... the point everyone is missing... it's that simple"... you are just acting like the hero of the situation while knowing quite nothing about the matter. 10100111001 Shield tanking is hard mode /period. 10100111001
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 895	Posted - 2015.01.23 13:09:00 - [178] - Quote Arcadiia Kain wrote: I dont want anything handed to me. Im fine with working for it. But they need to limut it so one corp can't own the majority of the land. This is the big issue, the point everyone is missing. CCP doesn't want you to have so much of the pie. It's that simple. This is CCP's game. They have control....not your 10% of the population. Suck it up and deal with it. I'm off this thread. CCP should remove everyone's goal? To win? To be on the TOP. Wow. Why do you guys even play this game? It's not just a first person shooter. It is a game of galactic conquest. Your political moves are just as important as your players gun games. Chess shouldn't be about killing the enemy king I guess. It should be about moving peices of the board and dancing around the other player. Without the end goal being there. Why play. We have a rule in our corp. Just for your information. Seeing as how you think we're some elitist. We don't want more then 10 districts. When we get more than that through conquest. We give them Way. That is how the game has been acting now for months. Player and corporation run planetary conquest. We choose who is in and out. If they want me out. They team up and take me out. They did it 2 weeks ago. We were reduced to ashes. Guess what. It was amazing. I am so happy they did it. It took them all using politics and diplomacy. It took them using coordination and team work. They achieved their goal. They played the game as it should be. Ruthlessly. I guess in eve the goal should be jusy to pvp but not kill the other guys ship it yiu have a better ship then them. I currently have 3 districts. Ya...I'm really controlling everything. This is all proof the people arguing on here have no clue about what they are arguing about or pushing for. Get your corp started. Get a pc team. Before begging for a district try and take one. If unsuccessful message us. We will give you one. Then protect yiu until you are ready to reach out on your own. We have a corp currently in MH that all you pansy ass negative complainers should talk to. They are called Random Gunz. A year ago no one knew their name. 6 months ago they entered pc. 5 months ago...we used attacks vs them to train our newest members because our elite players would stomp them. We attacked them repeatedly. But never flipped their districts. We didn't want to. After a few weeks of them losing to us...Instead of bringing in my new players...I slowly had to start bringing in more and more of my good players. Why? Because Random gunz was getting better! They did not quit. They took their beatings. Adapted. And became what is now one of the most competent and active planetary conquest teams. They earned their place. Mad respect for them. Funny enough they just attacked my district. You want to remove the hard and toughness of this game. You want quantity over quality. You want to dilute planetary conquest. Why? Because you are way to lazy to put your time in. Take your beatings and earn your place. In other words. Get good. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1396	Posted - 2015.01.23 13:12:00 - [179] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Arcadiia Kain wrote: I dont want anything handed to me. Im fine with working for it. But they need to limut it so one corp can't own the majority of the land. This is the big issue, the point everyone is missing. CCP doesn't want you to have so much of the pie. It's that simple. This is CCP's game. They have control....not your 10% of the population. Suck it up and deal with it. I'm off this thread. CCP should remove everyone's goal? To win? To be on the TOP. Wow. Why do you guys even play this game? It's not just a first person shooter. It is a game of galactic conquest. Your political moves are just as important as your players gun games. Chess shouldn't be about killing the enemy king I guess. It should be about moving peices of the board and dancing around the other player. Without the end goal being there. Why play. We have a rule in our corp. Just for your information. Seeing as how you think we're some elitist. We don't want more then 10 districts. When we get more than that through conquest. We give them Way. That is how the game has been acting now for months. Player and corporation run planetary conquest. We choose who is in and out. If they want me out. They team up and take me out. They did it 2 weeks ago. We were reduced to ashes. Guess what. It was amazing. I am so happy they did it. It took them all using politics and diplomacy. It took them using coordination and team work. They achieved their goal. They played the game as it should be. Ruthlessly. I guess in eve the goal should be jusy to pvp but not kill the other guys ship it yiu have a better ship then them. I currently have 3 districts. Ya...I'm really controlling everything. This is all proof the people arguing on here have no clue about what they are arguing about or pushing for. Get your corp started. Get a pc team. Before begging for a district try and take one. If unsuccessful message us. We will give you one. Then protect yiu until you are ready to reach out on your own. We have a corp currently in MH that all you pansy ass negative complainers should talk to. They are called Random Gunz. A year ago no one knew their name. 6 months ago they entered pc. 5 months ago...we used attacks vs them to train our newest members because our elite players would stomp them. We attacked them repeatedly. But never flipped their districts. We didn't want to. After a few weeks of them losing to us...Instead of bringing in my new players...I slowly had to start bringing in more and more of my good players. Why? Because Random gunz was getting better! They did not quit. They took their beatings. Adapted. And became what is now one of the most competent and active planetary conquest teams. They earned their place. Mad respect for them. Funny enough they just attacked my district. You want to remove the hard and toughness of this game. You want quantity over quality. You want to dilute planetary conquest. Why? Because you are way to lazy to put your time in. Take your beatings and earn your place. In other words. Get good. http://imgur.com/BIj28AS I use to play this game, but my dog got sick- Zatara the Pizza Boy
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 384	Posted - 2015.01.23 13:56:00 - [180] - Quote You seriously seem to miss what one of the real issues is in Planetary conquest is. It absolutely has flaws. You said earlier that the ultimate goal for a corporation is to own 100% of Molden Heath. Guess what? If Nyan wanted to, it would have been pretty easy: 1) Attack a district 2) Slowly flip it because they can 3) Change timer to the usual 13:00 or 12:00 4) They win PC Actually NS already won PC, none of their districts is under attack, and they're also selling them afaik. If you really want the competitiveness you seem to aim for, you cannot be that blind towards timers. Think about EU timezone: it's the most vulnerable timezone, period. We're exposed both to US attacks and Asia attacks and this is a major problem because of the inevitable, huge network lag one of the two factions will get. Is this competitive? No, it's not. It's an easy win for one of the two. I clearly remember a series of 5-6 matches against Hellstorm. It wasn't about tactics because both factions always used the same tactic on the same map. It wasn't about players because we always used the same players as they did. First match, we lost miserably. Second game, they got wrecked. Third game we got stomped. Fourth game we won by measure. They all wasn't close games. Each game was like a pubstomp for one or the other corporation/alliance. Now answer this question: is this competitive? PC has flaws, and as much as I understand your frustration for the changes being in development, you should also understand the effort CCP is putting into PC in order to make it more competitive. For what concerns timers hiding, it has been a common tactic: you know who you're fighting, you know when they're online, therefor you set your timer at an unaccessible timezone, taking non-aggression agreements with the major corps at that timezone. Let's be honest. This is not competitive. Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn

Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 900	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:05:00 - [181] - Quote Freccia di Lybra wrote: You seriously seem to miss what one of the real issues is in Planetary conquest is. It absolutely has flaws. You said earlier that the ultimate goal for a corporation is to own 100% of Molden Heath. Guess what? If Nyan wanted to, it would have been pretty easy: 1) Attack a district 2) Slowly flip it because they can 3) Change timer to the usual 13:00 or 12:00 4) They win PC Actually NS already won PC, none of their districts is under attack, and they're also selling them afaik. If you really want the competitiveness you seem to aim for, you cannot be that blind towards timers. Think about EU timezone: it's the most vulnerable timezone, period. We're exposed both to US attacks and Asia attacks and this is a major problem because of the inevitable, huge network lag one of the two factions will get. Is this competitive? No, it's not. It's an easy win for one of the two. I clearly remember a series of 5-6 matches against Hellstorm. It wasn't about tactics because both factions always used the same tactic on the same map. It wasn't about players because we always used the same players as they did. First match, we lost miserably. Second game, they got wrecked. Third game we got stomped. Fourth game we won by measure. They all wasn't close games. Each game was like a pubstomp for one or the other corporation/alliance. Now answer this question: is this competitive? PC has flaws, and as much as I understand your frustration for the changes being in development, you should also understand the effort CCP is putting into PC in order to make it more competitive. For what concerns timers hiding, it has been a common tactic: you know who you're fighting, you know when they're online, therefor you set your timer at an unaccessible timezone, taking non-aggression agreements with the major corps at that timezone. Let's be honest. This is not competitive. Coming from somone who use to play the game and be in pc...correct? Nyain has never sold a district. They give them away. Want to know why their districts are not under attack? Because people don't attack them. Including myself. I have dozens of other targets to hit. Why hut them? And up until a week ago their were in my alliance. There is nothing stopping people from attacking Nyain. They are not the issue. If somone wants to own 100%....and switch their timers to their prime time....do it. That's their right. They came to OUR time zone and took them from us. Let us go to their time zone and take it back. This is a military strategy game. You adapt. If somone at 2000 prime time keeps hitting your 0100 timers...and you want to retaliate yiu either diplomatically find help or recruit players based on that time zone. Yiu do the hard work. In game. Not cry in forums that somone did what you are to lazy to do. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 900	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:09:00 - [182] - Quote How the flying **** is this going to make the game any more competitive! The players with no skill and the lazy corps will still have no skill and they will still be lazy! Because instead of putting in hard work and training they begged for the standard to be lowered. Awsome. Well....When I was a kid I wanted to be a doctor. Then I realized I was way to stupid to be a doctor. I was offered extra schooling and somone to privately train me up to the required skills and knowledge. I said...Naa. ...I'm just going to write Sooo many nasty letters to the government and to the schools saying they should lower their academic requirement. That is your logic. Lower the bar...which will produce a poorer quality if players. Awsome Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 385	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:14:00 - [183] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Coming from somone who use to play the game and be in pc...correct? Nyain has never sold a district. They give them away. Want to know why their districts are not under attack? Because people don't attack them. Including myself. I have dozens of other targets to hit. Why hut them? And up until a week ago their were in my alliance. There is nothing stopping people from attacking Nyain. They are not the issue. If somone wants to own 100%....and switch their timers to their prime time....do it. That's their right. They came to OUR time zone and took them from us. Let us go to their time zone and take it back. This is a military strategy game. You adapt. If somone at 2000 prime time keeps hitting your 0100 timers...and you want to retaliate yiu either diplomatically find help or recruit players based on that time zone. Yiu do the hard work. In game. Not cry in forums that somone did what you are to lazy to do. You don't attack them because you CAN'T FFS. Who is online on 13:00? People either work or are at school in EU, and it's way too early in US. NS timers "should" be as exposed as hell considering all of their districts except one is at 13:00. Ask them if they never sold a district. And btw, what about network lag? how would you fix intercontinental matches? Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 385	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:16:00 - [184] - Quote Roman837 wrote: How the flying **** is this going to make the game any more competitive! The players with no skill and the lazy corps will still have no skill and they will still be lazy! Because instead of putting in hard work and training they begged for the standard to be lowered. Awsome. Well....When I was a kid I wanted to be a doctor. Then I realized I was way to stupid to be a doctor. I was offered extra schooling and somone to privately train me up to the required skills and knowledge. I said...Naa. ...I'm just going to write Sooo many nasty letters to the government and to the schools saying they should lower their academic requirement. That is your logic. Lower the bar...which will produce a poorer quality if players. Awsome And no. The problem is when you have the skills to be a doctor but for some reason outside of what you can reasonably do, you can't. Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 900	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:17:00 - [185] - Quote Freccia di Lybra wrote: Roman837 wrote: Coming from somone who use to play the game and be in pc...correct? Nyain has never sold a district. They give them away. Want to know why their districts are not under attack? Because people don't attack them. Including myself. I have dozens of other targets to hit. Why hut them? And up until a week ago their were in my alliance. There is nothing stopping people from attacking Nyain. They are not the issue. If somone wants to own 100%....and switch their timers to their prime time....do it. That's their right. They came to OUR time zone and took them from us. Let us go to their time zone and take it back. This is a military strategy game. You adapt. If somone at 2000 prime time keeps hitting your 0100 timers...and you want to retaliate yiu either diplomatically find help or recruit players based on that time zone. Yiu do the hard work. In game. Not cry in forums that somone did what you are to lazy to do. You don't attack them because you CAN'T FFS. Who is online on 13:00? People either work or are at school in EU, and it's way too early in US. NS timers "should" be as exposed as hell considering all of their districts except one is at 13:00. Ask them if they never sold a district. And btw, what about network lag? how would you fix intercontinental matches? i have been in dozens of match with Nyain at that time zone. For and against. Yup. I had to set my alarm and plan it on a weekend. I had to put time and effort into it. You are correct. What happens....is Nyain is complaining in Japanese on their forums saying our timers are way to hard to hit...and we are the ones hiding behind them. Mind blown. They don't complain. They attacked. And took them. Your lack or dedication and effort does not constitute an emergency or need to change anything. Get good. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 385	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:23:00 - [186] - Quote Roman837 wrote: i have been in dozens of match with Nyain at that time zone. For and against. Yup. I had to set my alarm and plan it on a weekend. I had to put time and effort into it. You are correct. What happens....is Nyain is complaining in Japanese on their forums saying our timers are way to hard to hit...and we are the ones hiding behind them. Mind blown. They don't complain. They attacked. And took them. Your lack or dedication and effort does not constitute an emergency or need to change anything. Get good. They do not complain because 1) They already have more districts than they wanted 2) Many of the timers are still accessible to them, with little to no required effort. while you had to set your alarm clock for a game, they just played regularly. But, don't get me wrong, if there were only one super-corporation in US it would work the same way. Nobody would attack you in your timer because it would be too early for asians and too late for europeans. Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
Travis Stanush Y.A.M.A.H 317	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:24:00 - [187] - Quote Roman837 wrote: How the flying **** is this going to make the game any more competitive! The players with no skill and the lazy corps will still have no skill and they will still be lazy! Because instead of putting in hard work and training they begged for the standard to be lowered. Awsome. Well....When I was a kid I wanted to be a doctor. Then I realized I was way to stupid to be a doctor. I was offered extra schooling and somone to privately train me up to the required skills and knowledge. I said...Naa. ...I'm just going to write Sooo many nasty letters to the government and to the schools saying they should lower their academic requirement. That is your logic. Lower the bar...which will produce a poorer quality if players. Awsome look I understand your frustration I do.. BUT how long would it take if you created a corp from scratch to get a hold in PC? NO cash from your main NO acquaintances / friends / enemies New everything How long would it take and how many people would you lose? I know they are giving districts away but, do you think that's really enough to be considered IN PC? Just because it took years for you to reach the position you are at does not make the system any less broken. No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 901	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:25:00 - [188] - Quote Also. Why are you so focused on Nyain. Can yiu not attack anyone else? Have you used your big boy words and did some research and messaged their directors? Asked for a district. They would say yes. Also news flash. We have an in game board of directors including everyone who has the ability to make a huge impact in the game. We have been monitoring and talking with Nyain. We used a very effective method of warfare vs then....diplomacy. they are giving away all but 10 of their districts. I don't want them to. They earned them. But to appease you complainers....they are going to do it. What will happen. Roman's prediction. Nothing. The complainers will still complain. The active people in pc will gobble the districts up. Back to square one Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15214	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:26:00 - [189] - Quote Freccia di Lybra wrote: You don't attack them because you CAN'T FFS. Who is online on 13:00? People either work or are at school in EU, and it's way too early in US. NS timers "should" be as exposed as hell considering all of their districts except one is at 13:00. Ask them if they never sold a district. And btw, what about network lag? how would you fix intercontinental matches? What are you talking about? We can and we do attack them. All it takes is for us to send a mail to our corp saying "early PC against NS, set your alarm clocks" and we'll have a full team ready to go at their timer. And you know what we do? We take their district. Given how NS's primetime actually is 1300, they have to do the same thing if they want to take one of the districts on our timers so it's far from the unfair one-sided battle you make it out to be. As for selling districts, any and everyone has sold a district before. However if you actually bothered to ask someone from NS you'd know that they do give away districts for free if you ask them. Network lag gets fixed by kicking players if their ping is too high, and I don't seeing anything wrong with intercontinental matches. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 901	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:27:00 - [190] - Quote Travis Stanush wrote: Roman837 wrote: How the flying **** is this going to make the game any more competitive! The players with no skill and the lazy corps will still have no skill and they will still be lazy! Because instead of putting in hard work and training they begged for the standard to be lowered. Awsome. Well....When I was a kid I wanted to be a doctor. Then I realized I was way to stupid to be a doctor. I was offered extra schooling and somone to privately train me up to the required skills and knowledge. I said...Naa. ...I'm just going to write Sooo many nasty letters to the government and to the schools saying they should lower their academic requirement. That is your logic. Lower the bar...which will produce a poorer quality if players. Awsome look I understand your frustration I do.. BUT how long would it take if you created a corp from scratch to get a hold in PC? NO cash from your main NO acquaintances / friends / enemies New everything How long would it take and how many people would you lose? I know they are giving districts away but, do you think that's really enough to be considered IN PC? Just because it took years for you to reach the position you are at does not make the system any less broken. Are you suggesting it would take me time and effort? I agree. It will. Please put in both . This games not short term. It's long term strategy. If you want short term. Play pubs. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law

Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 385	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:28:00 - [191] - Quote Travis Stanush wrote: Roman837 wrote: How the flying **** is this going to make the game any more competitive! The players with no skill and the lazy corps will still have no skill and they will still be lazy! Because instead of putting in hard work and training they begged for the standard to be lowered. Awsome. Well....When I was a kid I wanted to be a doctor. Then I realized I was way to stupid to be a doctor. I was offered extra schooling and somone to privately train me up to the required skills and knowledge. I said...Naa. ...I'm just going to write Sooo many nasty letters to the government and to the schools saying they should lower their academic requirement. That is your logic. Lower the bar...which will produce a poorer quality if players. Awsome look I understand your frustration I do.. BUT how long would it take if you created a corp from scratch to get a hold in PC? NO cash from your main NO acquaintances / friends / enemies New everything How long would it take and how many people would you lose? I know they are giving districts away but, do you think that's really enough to be considered IN PC? Just because it took years for you to reach the position you are at does not make the system any less broken. Wait, this is much different. You have a taxation system. Use it. If your corporation has at least 30 active players you would reach the necessary isk in 4-5 days. Up to now, it would be pretty hard, but this time I am ok with what Roman says, because no "new guy" should find himself comfortable in PC as much as a newly created toon wouldn't find himself comfortable in an endgame raid. Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1400	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:30:00 - [192] - Quote Freccia di Lybra wrote: You seriously seem to miss what one of the real issues is in Planetary conquest is. It absolutely has flaws. You said earlier that the ultimate goal for a corporation is to own 100% of Molden Heath. Guess what? If Nyan wanted to, it would have been pretty easy: 1) Attack a district 2) Slowly flip it because they can 3) Change timer to the usual 13:00 or 12:00 4) They win PC Actually NS already won PC, none of their districts is under attack, and they're also selling them afaik. If you really want the competitiveness you seem to aim for, you cannot be that blind towards timers. Think about EU timezone: it's the most vulnerable timezone, period. We're exposed both to US attacks and Asia attacks and this is a major problem because of the inevitable, huge network lag one of the two factions will get. Is this competitive? No, it's not. It's an easy win for one of the two. I clearly remember a series of 5-6 matches against Hellstorm. It wasn't about tactics because both factions always used the same tactic on the same map. It wasn't about players because we always used the same players as they did. First match, we lost miserably. Second game, they got wrecked. Third game we got stomped. Fourth game we won by measure. They all weren't close games. Each game was like a pubstomp for one or the other corporation/alliance. Now answer this question: is this competitive? PC has flaws, and as much as I understand your frustration for the changes being in development, you should also understand the effort CCP is putting into PC in order to make it more competitive. For what concerns timers hiding, it has been a common tactic: you know who you're fighting, you know when they're online, therefor you set your timer at an unaccessible timezone, taking non-aggression agreements with the major corps at that timezone. Let's be honest. This is not competitive. Sounds compettive to me. Taking turns bashing each other is exactly lol. What would you consider competitive? I use to play this game, but my dog got sick- Zatara the Pizza Boy
Supacharjed Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 170	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:30:00 - [193] - Quote Roman, I respect your love for the current PC and all that stuff, but what among the changes do you not like? Commando CK.0 Proto Combat Rifle Commando MK.0 Proto Rail Rifle
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1400	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:34:00 - [194] - Quote Freccia di Lybra wrote: Roman837 wrote: i have been in dozens of match with Nyain at that time zone. For and against. Yup. I had to set my alarm and plan it on a weekend. I had to put time and effort into it. You are correct. What happens....is Nyain is complaining in Japanese on their forums saying our timers are way to hard to hit...and we are the ones hiding behind them. Mind blown. They don't complain. They attacked. And took them. Your lack or dedication and effort does not constitute an emergency or need to change anything. Get good. They do not complain because 1) They already have more districts than they wanted 2) Many of the timers are still accessible to them, with little to no required effort. while you had to set your alarm clock for a game, they just played regularly. But, don't get me wrong, if there were only one super-corporation in US it would work the same way. Nobody would attack you in your timer because it would be too early for asians and too late for europeans. How do you think NS got so many districts? you think people gave them away to them? They set alarm clocks and took them from other corps and then changed them to their time zones. See how that works? I use to play this game, but my dog got sick- Zatara the Pizza Boy
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 385	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:41:00 - [195] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Freccia di Lybra wrote: You seriously seem to miss what one of the real issues is in Planetary conquest is. It absolutely has flaws. You said earlier that the ultimate goal for a corporation is to own 100% of Molden Heath. Guess what? If Nyan wanted to, it would have been pretty easy: 1) Attack a district 2) Slowly flip it because they can 3) Change timer to the usual 13:00 or 12:00 4) They win PC Actually NS already won PC, none of their districts is under attack, and they're also selling them afaik. If you really want the competitiveness you seem to aim for, you cannot be that blind towards timers. Think about EU timezone: it's the most vulnerable timezone, period. We're exposed both to US attacks and Asia attacks and this is a major problem because of the inevitable, huge network lag one of the two factions will get. Is this competitive? No, it's not. It's an easy win for one of the two. I clearly remember a series of 5-6 matches against Hellstorm. It wasn't about tactics because both factions always used the same tactic on the same map. It wasn't about players because we always used the same players as they did. First match, we lost miserably. Second game, they got wrecked. Third game we got stomped. Fourth game we won by measure. They all weren't close games. Each game was like a pubstomp for one or the other corporation/alliance. Now answer this question: is this competitive? PC has flaws, and as much as I understand your frustration for the changes being in development, you should also understand the effort CCP is putting into PC in order to make it more competitive. For what concerns timers hiding, it has been a common tactic: you know who you're fighting, you know when they're online, therefor you set your timer at an unaccessible timezone, taking non-aggression agreements with the major corps at that timezone. Let's be honest. This is not competitive. Sounds compettive to me. Taking turns bashing each other is exactly lol. What would you consider competitive? For me a competitive game would be when no one takes advantage from anything. Pure skills. Forcing you to set alarm clocks to play is simply stupid. And Roman, you know I, we already did set alarm clock to fight PCs. But long term it's devasting, ask anyone in my former alliance. That's why, if possible, they, we should find a better solution if there's one. Why, for example, fixed timer / fixed server location for each district shouldn't work? Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
Travis Stanush Y.A.M.A.H 317	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:42:00 - [196] - Quote Freccia di Lybra wrote: Travis Stanush wrote: Roman837 wrote: How the flying **** is this going to make the game any more competitive! The players with no skill and the lazy corps will still have no skill and they will still be lazy! Because instead of putting in hard work and training they begged for the standard to be lowered. Awsome. Well....When I was a kid I wanted to be a doctor. Then I realized I was way to stupid to be a doctor. I was offered extra schooling and somone to privately train me up to the required skills and knowledge. I said...Naa. ...I'm just going to write Sooo many nasty letters to the government and to the schools saying they should lower their academic requirement. That is your logic. Lower the bar...which will produce a poorer quality if players. Awsome look I understand your frustration I do.. BUT how long would it take if you created a corp from scratch to get a hold in PC? NO cash from your main NO acquaintances / friends / enemies New everything How long would it take and how many people would you lose? I know they are giving districts away but, do you think that's really enough to be considered IN PC? Just because it took years for you to reach the position you are at does not make the system any less broken. Wait, this is much different. You have a taxation system. Use it. If your corporation has at least 30 active players you would reach the necessary isk in 4-5 days. Up to now, it would be pretty hard, but this time I am ok with what Roman says, because no "new guy" should find himself comfortable in PC as much as a newly created toon wouldn't find himself comfortable in an endgame raid. Look I am saying he has survivors bias bad. He cannot discredit an entire group of people without understanding the sheer amount of frustration that comes with doing PC. There ARE well established Corps who do not PC because there is no reason to. When we started as Beta players we had the advantage of NOT fighting Mega Alliances. When I was in Gunfall on Skarkon after the first few days of it opening up it was entirely possible for new corps to be useful as Zerglings during mass attacks. Now? Nope too much of the player talent has been pooled in one area. I have been around long enough to see players burn out on PC come back and get burned again. Edit : You can either stay here and argue with nobodies like me or you can go to Features and Ideas and post your ideas. No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 385	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:44:00 - [197] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: How do you think NS got so many districts? you think people gave them away to them? They set alarm clocks and took them from other corps and then changed them to their time zones. See how that works? That's not quite entirely true. They simply took many districts from EU timezone + other districts in Oceania Timezone + Other districts accessible in US timezone. Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1402	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:48:00 - [198] - Quote Getting burned out is something PC players know is going to happen. Everyone has experienced it. That is why you have corp mates, to pick up the slack when someone is not online. The timers are just that. They are timers. If you want said districts, you go and get them. Wanting them changed to make it easier for you is not a solution. But let me ask, with the timer changes are you saying your corps are going to participate in PC when it happens? I use to play this game, but my dog got sick- Zatara the Pizza Boy
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 901	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:49:00 - [199] - Quote Rediculous. The people are going against current pc and pushing for thus new change. ..are Rediculous. Here is what a going to happen. You are going to make us angry. You wouldn't like us when we're angry. You are going to forge one of the most Powerfull coalition this game has ever seen. What ever changes happen. We will fight it. All the big players were call a truce. And dominate. Then when you are all gone. We will continue on as nothing has happened. Then...you will all cry on forums again. We will adapt. ..and the cycle continues. We play this game how it should be played. Ruthlessly. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1403	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:49:00 - [200] - Quote Freccia di Lybra wrote: bigolenuts wrote: How do you think NS got so many districts? you think people gave them away to them? They set alarm clocks and took them from other corps and then changed them to their time zones. See how that works? That's not quite entirely true. They simply took many districts from EU timezone + other districts in Oceania Timezone. Do you even know what you are saying? lol...You are losing credibility very fast with me if you even had any. I use to play this game, but my dog got sick- Zatara the Pizza Boy

Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 901	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:51:00 - [201] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Getting burned out is something PC players know is going to happen. Everyone has experienced it. That is why you have corp mates, to pick up the slack when someone is not online. The timers are just that. They are timers. If you want said districts, you go and get them. Wanting them changed to make it easier for you is not a solution. But let me ask, with the timer changes are you saying your corps are going to participate in PC when it happens? no. They won't They will be where they are currently. Chirping from sidelines. We will suffer from it adapt and move on Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1403	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:53:00 - [202] - Quote you edited and took out the US timezone lol..YES, they went after those as well....They came calling in our prime time. I faced them many, many times when they were marching across the US time zones beating people down. They took districts from the Euro time zone, which is not their prime, you realize that and the Oceania. They played the game like it was intended to be played. Funny how that works huh? I use to play this game, but my dog got sick- Zatara the Pizza Boy
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1403	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:55:00 - [203] - Quote Roman837 wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Getting burned out is something PC players know is going to happen. Everyone has experienced it. That is why you have corp mates, to pick up the slack when someone is not online. The timers are just that. They are timers. If you want said districts, you go and get them. Wanting them changed to make it easier for you is not a solution. But let me ask, with the timer changes are you saying your corps are going to participate in PC when it happens? no. They won't They will be where they are currently. Chirping from sidelines. We will suffer from it adapt and move on I know they will. They just want something for nothing so they can get stomped out and cry again until the game is dumbed down so far that is like CoD. I bet if you took the time to research you would see the pro reset PC guys have made a reference at one time or another that this game should be more like CoD I use to play this game, but my dog got sick- Zatara the Pizza Boy
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 385	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:55:00 - [204] - Quote Atiim wrote: Freccia di Lybra wrote: You don't attack them because you CAN'T FFS. Who is online on 13:00? People either work or are at school in EU, and it's way too early in US. NS timers "should" be as exposed as hell considering all of their districts except one is at 13:00. Ask them if they never sold a district. And btw, what about network lag? how would you fix intercontinental matches? What are you talking about? We can and we do attack them. All it takes is for us to send a mail to our corp saying "early PC against NS, set your alarm clocks" and we'll have a full team ready to go at their timer. And you know what we do? We take their district. Given how NS's primetime actually is 1300, they have to do the same thing if they want to take one of the districts on our timers so it's far from the unfair one-sided battle you make it out to be. As for selling districts, any and everyone has sold a district before. However if you actually bothered to ask someone from NS you'd know that they do give away districts for free if you ask them. Network lag gets fixed by kicking players if their ping is too high, and I don't seeing anything wrong with intercontinental matches. Look, it's always a matter of TZ and players. If I asked my mates to get up early for a PC on a Sunday, the probably would do it once, maybe twice. But the third time they all would virtually slap me. With my former alliance we already did it: alarm clock at 05:00 to fight teamplayers and Syn. But, hell, after the second night of fightings we all was burned out... Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
Travis Stanush Y.A.M.A.H 317	Posted - 2015.01.23 14:57:00 - [205] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Getting burned out is something PC players know is going to happen. Everyone has experienced it. That is why you have corp mates, to pick up the slack when someone is not online. The timers are just that. They are timers. If you want said districts, you go and get them. Wanting them changed to make it easier for you is not a solution. But let me ask, with the timer changes are you saying your corps are going to participate in PC when it happens? Mine IS and frankly speaking if it wasn't for the charity from established PC corps we would have been wiped out already. I really would like a way for small groups to actually have a purpose other that being the charity cases of PC. The way some of you are acting it seems you don't want any changes. If any of you would post actual ideas in the forums instead of making a private channel many of us would feel like you gave a ****. No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
H0riz0n Unlimit Dead Man's Game 341	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:03:00 - [206] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Freccia di Lybra wrote: bigolenuts wrote: How do you think NS got so many districts? you think people gave them away to them? They set alarm clocks and took them from other corps and then changed them to their time zones. See how that works? That's not quite entirely true. They simply took many districts from EU timezone + other districts in Oceania Timezone. Do you even know what you are saying? lol...You are losing credibility very fast with me if you even had any. Does your credibility count anything? Idk who you are but if you say only he is wrong that doesnt make you right The KTM DuKe lives here, send a message after the "beep".One of the few vehiculist remained in dust 514
Travis Stanush Y.A.M.A.H 317	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:03:00 - [207] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Rediculous. The people are going against current pc and pushing for thus new change. ..are Rediculous. Here is what a going to happen. You are going to make us angry. You wouldn't like us when we're angry. You are going to forge one of the most Powerfull coalition this game has ever seen. What ever changes happen. We will fight it. All the big players were call a truce. And dominate. Then when you are all gone. We will continue on as nothing has happened. Then...you will all cry on forums again. We will adapt. ..and the cycle continues. We play this game how it should be played. Ruthlessly. You really believe there is nothing wrong with the way PC is now? Is there nothing you would do to improve it? Please do forge you alliance just like DNS we all know how well that worked out last time right? No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1403	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:03:00 - [208] - Quote This is as public as it gets. You are even saying what experienced PC players have been saying all along. People will help you. It is about building relationships in PC. You'll not survive alone. Even the best 16 this game has to offer don't stand a chance. Yeah, they will win some games but they will lose ground if they have any. If your team burned out on day 2 then why would you even want to get into PC? You guys really want this game dumbed down. It is becoming more clear now. You want it to be like every other cookie cutter shooter than you can dominate after playing 3-4 hours. Pathetic. I use to play this game, but my dog got sick- Zatara the Pizza Boy
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 385	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:05:00 - [209] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: But let me ask, with the timer changes are you saying your corps are going to participate in PC when it happens? No, my corporation does not exist anymore. As the alliance does not exist anymore. As the corporations that used to be in the alliance does not exist anymore. All of my corpmates are in other corporation and on ps4 and I would never ask them to come back, even if I'm pretty confident some of them would. But, sure, I may join one corp with one of my alts and participate in PC, why not? I'm pretty confident in my skills, I might not be the best player, but a good "PC player" yes. Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1403	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:05:00 - [210] - Quote H0riz0n Unlimit wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Freccia di Lybra wrote: bigolenuts wrote: How do you think NS got so many districts? you think people gave them away to them? They set alarm clocks and took them from other corps and then changed them to their time zones. See how that works? That's not quite entirely true. They simply took many districts from EU timezone + other districts in Oceania Timezone. Do you even know what you are saying? lol...You are losing credibility very fast with me if you even had any. Does your credibility count anything? Idk who you are but if you say only he is wrong that doesnt make you right you obviously don't see what he is saying either. What he says is, that NS took districts in EU time zone, in Oceania and he said US time zone then edited it. That is exactly what they did. They got up on the timers and took them in other corps prime time. That is EXACTLY how it should be done. I use to play this game, but my dog got sick- Zatara the Pizza Boy

bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1403	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:06:00 - [211] - Quote Freccia di Lybra wrote: bigolenuts wrote: But let me ask, with the timer changes are you saying your corps are going to participate in PC when it happens? No, my corporation does not exist anymore. As the alliance does not exist anymore. As the corporations that used to be in the alliance does not exist anymore. All of my corpmates are in other corporation and on ps4 and I would never ask them to come back, even if I'm pretty confident some of them would. But, sure, I may join one corp with one of my alts and participate in PC, why not? I'm pretty confident in my skills, I might not be the best player, but a good "PC player" yes. Apply to Pure Evil then... I use to play this game, but my dog got sick- Zatara the Pizza Boy
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1403	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:13:00 - [212] - Quote Travis Stanush wrote: Roman837 wrote: Rediculous. The people are going against current pc and pushing for thus new change. ..are Rediculous. Here is what a going to happen. You are going to make us angry. You wouldn't like us when we're angry. You are going to forge one of the most Powerfull coalition this game has ever seen. What ever changes happen. We will fight it. All the big players were call a truce. And dominate. Then when you are all gone. We will continue on as nothing has happened. Then...you will all cry on forums again. We will adapt. ..and the cycle continues. We play this game how it should be played. Ruthlessly. You really believe there is nothing wrong with the way PC is now? Is there nothing you would do to improve it? Please do forge you alliance just like DNS we all know how well that worked out last time right? What would I change in PC. I'll tell you. I would make it tiered so that corps work their way up. 3 levels, each corp put in a level based on players SP and number of players in corp. As players got more SP and the corp got more players they would move a level up. If the corp did not want to move up they would be forced to release player(s) forcing them up or to other corporations. Lower level corps could attack the higher corps but not vice versa and they could never take a district. To prevent this from becoming a locking issue if any corp in the same level as the corp being attacked by the lower attack initiated an attack, it would over ride the lower corps attack. Pay the lower corp 3x the typical payout for a win and don't punish them for a loss. I can go on and on about what I would do. I use to play this game, but my dog got sick- Zatara the Pizza Boy
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 385	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:14:00 - [213] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: If your team burned out on day 2 then why would you even want to get into PC? You guys really want this game dumbed down. It is becoming more clear now. You want it to be like every other cookie cutter shooter than you can dominate after playing 3-4 hours. Pathetic. we didn't burned out on day 2, we did burned out on day 120 more or less. We simply stopped attacking Eon at 04:00 AM while they could attack us at their 15:00. We just kept defending. Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
H0riz0n Unlimit Dead Man's Game 341	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:15:00 - [214] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: This is as public as it gets. You are even saying what experienced PC players have been saying all along. People will help you. It is about building relationships in PC. You'll not survive alone. Even the best 16 this game has to offer don't stand a chance. Yeah, they will win some games but they will lose ground if they have any. If your team burned out on day 2 then why would you even want to get into PC? You guys really want this game dumbed down. It is becoming more clear now. You want it to be like every other cookie cutter shooter than you can dominate after playing 3-4 hours. Pathetic. It s a game, not life, if you got to work and wake up early every morning and the only day you can sleep you set an alarm for play dust you are seriously ill, you can do it one time maybe two but at the 3rd time you will say GTFo The KTM DuKe lives here, send a message after the "beep".One of the few vehiculist remained in dust 514
Travis Stanush Y.A.M.A.H 317	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:16:00 - [215] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: This is as public as it gets. You are even saying what experienced PC players have been saying all along. People will help you. It is about building relationships in PC. You'll not survive alone. Even the best 16 this game has to offer don't stand a chance. Yeah, they will win some games but they will lose ground if they have any. If your team burned out on day 2 then why would you even want to get into PC? You guys really want this game dumbed down. It is becoming more clear now. You want it to be like every other cookie cutter shooter than you can dominate after playing 3-4 hours. Pathetic. Please for the love of all that is good in this world please understand that any time you have to GIVE **** away for people to get a foot hold on PC that something is wrong. PC sucks bigolenuts and you know what it would take to fix it lay it out in text format so we can see what it is you want. Its hard to support someone if you don't know what to support. No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
Travis Stanush Y.A.M.A.H 317	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:19:00 - [216] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Travis Stanush wrote: Roman837 wrote: Rediculous. The people are going against current pc and pushing for thus new change. ..are Rediculous. Here is what a going to happen. You are going to make us angry. You wouldn't like us when we're angry. You are going to forge one of the most Powerfull coalition this game has ever seen. What ever changes happen. We will fight it. All the big players were call a truce. And dominate. Then when you are all gone. We will continue on as nothing has happened. Then...you will all cry on forums again. We will adapt. ..and the cycle continues. We play this game how it should be played. Ruthlessly. You really believe there is nothing wrong with the way PC is now? Is there nothing you would do to improve it? Please do forge you alliance just like DNS we all know how well that worked out last time right? What would I change in PC. I'll tell you. I would make it tiered so that corps work their way up. 3 levels, each corp put in a level based on players SP and number of players in corp. As players got more SP and the corp got more players they would move a level up. If the corp did not want to move up they would be forced to release player(s) forcing them up or to other corporations. Lower level corps could attack the higher corps but not vice versa and they could never take a district. To prevent this from becoming a locking issue if any corp in the same level as the corp being attacked by the lower attack initiated an attack, it would over ride the lower corps attack. Pay the lower corp 3x the typical payout for a win and don't punish them for a loss. I can go on and on about what I would do. thank you they actually posted something like this already. It was something along the lines of the deeper you go into MH the more ISK you could make but, the more powerful the corps were. something like that... No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1403	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:22:00 - [217] - Quote True, it is just a game. Is that why you want it simplified? For your best interests? Maybe you guys should just keep playing pubs when you can. Join a PC ready corp and when you have time let the FC know you would like to participate. I use to play this game, but my dog got sick- Zatara the Pizza Boy
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1403	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:24:00 - [218] - Quote Travis Stanush wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Travis Stanush wrote: Roman837 wrote: Rediculous. The people are going against current pc and pushing for thus new change. ..are Rediculous. Here is what a going to happen. You are going to make us angry. You wouldn't like us when we're angry. You are going to forge one of the most Powerfull coalition this game has ever seen. What ever changes happen. We will fight it. All the big players were call a truce. And dominate. Then when you are all gone. We will continue on as nothing has happened. Then...you will all cry on forums again. We will adapt. ..and the cycle continues. We play this game how it should be played. Ruthlessly. You really believe there is nothing wrong with the way PC is now? Is there nothing you would do to improve it? Please do forge you alliance just like DNS we all know how well that worked out last time right? What would I change in PC. I'll tell you. I would make it tiered so that corps work their way up. 3 levels, each corp put in a level based on players SP and number of players in corp. As players got more SP and the corp got more players they would move a level up. If the corp did not want to move up they would be forced to release player(s) forcing them up or to other corporations. Lower level corps could attack the higher corps but not vice versa and they could never take a district. To prevent this from becoming a locking issue if any corp in the same level as the corp being attacked by the lower attack initiated an attack, it would over ride the lower corps attack. Pay the lower corp 3x the typical payout for a win and don't punish them for a loss. I can go on and on about what I would do. thank you they actually posted something like this already. It was something along the lines of the deeper you go into MH the more ISK you could make but, the more powerful the corps were. something like that... I've not seen it. I just know there should be different levels of game play. New corps should not be having to fight NS or the likes to get in. New corps should be fighting new corps and the players there should be working on getting better and trying to reach the ultimate goal, the high end. I use to play this game, but my dog got sick- Zatara the Pizza Boy
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 385	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:27:00 - [219] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: True, it is just a game. Is that why you want it simplified? For your best interests? Maybe you guys should just keep playing pubs when you can. Join a PC ready corp and when you have time let the FC know you would like to participate. Excuse me, but how would a wider attack window simplify PC? how would fixed timers / server on each district simplify PC? It would simply change the way you play, but it would not dumb it down at all! It's not about simplify PC, it's about to make it a bit more fair for those who can't compete not because they just don't want to or because they are not capable of, but simply because they can't because of its mechanics. Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
Travis Stanush Y.A.M.A.H 318	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:31:00 - [220] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Travis Stanush wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Travis Stanush wrote: Roman837 wrote: Rediculous. The people are going against current pc and pushing for thus new change. ..are Rediculous. Here is what a going to happen. You are going to make us angry. You wouldn't like us when we're angry. You are going to forge one of the most Powerfull coalition this game has ever seen. What ever changes happen. We will fight it. All the big players were call a truce. And dominate. Then when you are all gone. We will continue on as nothing has happened. Then...you will all cry on forums again. We will adapt. ..and the cycle continues. We play this game how it should be played. Ruthlessly. You really believe there is nothing wrong with the way PC is now? Is there nothing you would do to improve it? Please do forge you alliance just like DNS we all know how well that worked out last time right? What would I change in PC. I'll tell you. I would make it tiered so that corps work their way up. 3 levels, each corp put in a level based on players SP and number of players in corp. As players got more SP and the corp got more players they would move a level up. If the corp did not want to move up they would be forced to release player(s) forcing them up or to other corporations. Lower level corps could attack the higher corps but not vice versa and they could never take a district. To prevent this from becoming a locking issue if any corp in the same level as the corp being attacked by the lower attack initiated an attack, it would over ride the lower corps attack. Pay the lower corp 3x the typical payout for a win and don't punish them for a loss. I can go on and on about what I would do. thank you they actually posted something like this already. It was something along the lines of the deeper you go into MH the more ISK you could make but, the more powerful the corps were. something like that... I've not seen it. I just know there should be different levels of game play. New corps should not be having to fight NS or the likes to get in. New corps should be fighting new corps and the players there should be working on getting better and trying to reach the ultimate goal, the high end. I remember seeing it in there somewhere... anyways TY I remember talking to you during the DNS war and you seemed to be a reasonable guy. Please convince some of your guys to post there you have good ideas and we do NEED all the input we can get otherwise we will have another 1.7 disaster. No I will not show you where they touched me!!!

bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1406	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:39:00 - [221] - Quote Freccia di Lybra wrote: bigolenuts wrote: True, it is just a game. Is that why you want it simplified? For your best interests? Maybe you guys should just keep playing pubs when you can. Join a PC ready corp and when you have time let the FC know you would like to participate. Excuse me, but how would a wider attack window simplify PC? how would fixed timers / server on each district simplify PC? It would simply change the way you play, but it would not dumb it down at all! It's not about simplify PC, it's about to make it a bit more fair for those who can't compete not because they just don't want to or because they are not capable of, but simply because they can't because of its mechanics. The mechanic you say is broken is not imo. It is just not easy for you. you guys want to raid when no one is looking. You're not looking for fights, you are looking for a handout. Sacrifices should be made to participate in the highest level of the game. It should not be simplified because someone can't get out of bed to play. If that same person doesn't think it is worth it, then let them stay in bed and play when they are able. Until then, said person should be happy they have pubs still. I use to play this game, but my dog got sick- Zatara the Pizza Boy
Travis Stanush Y.A.M.A.H 318	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:52:00 - [222] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Freccia di Lybra wrote: bigolenuts wrote: True, it is just a game. Is that why you want it simplified? For your best interests? Maybe you guys should just keep playing pubs when you can. Join a PC ready corp and when you have time let the FC know you would like to participate. Excuse me, but how would a wider attack window simplify PC? how would fixed timers / server on each district simplify PC? It would simply change the way you play, but it would not dumb it down at all! It's not about simplify PC, it's about to make it a bit more fair for those who can't compete not because they just don't want to or because they are not capable of, but simply because they can't because of its mechanics. The mechanic you say is broken is not imo. It is just not easy for you. you guys want to raid when no one is looking. You're not looking for fights, you are looking for a handout. Sacrifices should be made to participate in the highest level of the game. It should not be simplified because someone can't get out of bed to play. If that same person doesn't think it is worth it, then let them stay in bed and play when they are able. Until then, said person should be happy they have pubs still. you been here yet? No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 901	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:55:00 - [223] - Quote Just so you all don't think Bigolenuts and I egging each other on...He and I are usually bitter opponents in this game. We both scratched our way to the top level. We fought against each other many times. For a span of 6 months. He was my enemy in game. The changes being proposed will forge a super coalition against you. To the moron saying look what happened to DNS. Haha hahahaha. We self distracted ourselves. For fun. You did not beat us. Everyone came together to prove a point to CCP. To make them see us. They did. Then we did what this games all about. We bashed each others heads in with rocks. We went to war. 10 corps in this game. If wanted. Can control everything. We self govern. We balance the game as needed. We don't need outsiders begging ccp to change this game. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Stryker Syx Vector D3ATH CARD RUST415 87	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:57:00 - [224] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Just so you all don't think Bigolenuts and I egging each other on...He and I are usually bitter opponents in this game. We both scratched our way to the top level. We fought against each other many times. For a span of 6 months. He was my enemy in game. The changes being proposed will forge a super coalition against you. To the moron saying look what happened to DNS. Haha hahahaha. We self distracted ourselves. For fun. You did not beat us. Everyone came together to prove a point to CCP. To make them see us. They did. Then we did what this games all about. We bashed each others heads in with rocks. We went to war. 10 corps in this game. If wanted. Can control everything. We self govern. We balance the game as needed. We don't need outsiders begging ccp to change this game. Outsiders? I thought we all played the same game?
Travis Stanush Y.A.M.A.H 319	Posted - 2015.01.23 16:18:00 - [225] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Just so you all don't think Bigolenuts and I egging each other on...He and I are usually bitter opponents in this game. We both scratched our way to the top level. We fought against each other many times. For a span of 6 months. He was my enemy in game. The changes being proposed will forge a super coalition against you. To the moron saying look what happened to DNS. Haha hahahaha. We self distracted ourselves. For fun. You did not beat us. Everyone came together to prove a point to CCP. To make them see us. They did. Then we did what this games all about. We bashed each others heads in with rocks. We went to war. 10 corps in this game. If wanted. Can control everything. We self govern. We balance the game as needed. We don't need outsiders begging ccp to change this game. Roman shut up you are just making yourself look like a douche Have you even looked at this yet? Provide your "insider" opinions there or not you choose. Either way it doesn't matter because it IS changing not you or your buddies can stop it now. Go **** yourself San Diego No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 907	Posted - 2015.01.23 16:55:00 - [226] - Quote Travis Stanush wrote: Roman837 wrote: Just so you all don't think Bigolenuts and I egging each other on...He and I are usually bitter opponents in this game. We both scratched our way to the top level. We fought against each other many times. For a span of 6 months. He was my enemy in game. The changes being proposed will forge a super coalition against you. To the moron saying look what happened to DNS. Haha hahahaha. We self distracted ourselves. For fun. You did not beat us. Everyone came together to prove a point to CCP. To make them see us. They did. Then we did what this games all about. We bashed each others heads in with rocks. We went to war. 10 corps in this game. If wanted. Can control everything. We self govern. We balance the game as needed. We don't need outsiders begging ccp to change this game. Roman shut up you are just making yourself look like a douche Have you even looked at this yet? Provide your "insider" opinions there or not you choose. Either way it doesn't matter because it IS changing not you or your buddies can stop it now. Go **** yourself San Diego Yes. I have been informed of that new post. And the meet in the middle changes. Much better. I even comment and made a suggestion to make it better. Don't ever tell me to shut up again. Remember these forums are where wars usually start. I'm the one who starts them Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Travis Stanush Y.A.M.A.H 319	Posted - 2015.01.23 17:01:00 - [227] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Travis Stanush wrote: Roman837 wrote: Just so you all don't think Bigolenuts and I egging each other on...He and I are usually bitter opponents in this game. We both scratched our way to the top level. We fought against each other many times. For a span of 6 months. He was my enemy in game. The changes being proposed will forge a super coalition against you. To the moron saying look what happened to DNS. Haha hahahaha. We self distracted ourselves. For fun. You did not beat us. Everyone came together to prove a point to CCP. To make them see us. They did. Then we did what this games all about. We bashed each others heads in with rocks. We went to war. 10 corps in this game. If wanted. Can control everything. We self govern. We balance the game as needed. We don't need outsiders begging ccp to change this game. Roman shut up you are just making yourself look like a douche Have you even looked at this yet? Provide your "insider" opinions there or not you choose. Either way it doesn't matter because it IS changing not you or your buddies can stop it now. Go **** yourself San Diego Yes. I have been informed of that new post. And the meet in the middle changes. Much better. I even comment and made a suggestion to make it better. Don't ever tell me to shut up again. Remember these forums are where wars usually start. I'm the one who starts them I saw and thank you the suggestion you made was a good one. No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14570	Posted - 2015.01.23 17:13:00 - [228] - Quote Here is the problem with your argument. Rattati wants to bring more people into PC, he doesn't want to just please the current playerbase. One of the problems he noticed (I believe), is that holding a fuckton of territory with a relatively small number of players is far too easy. This is the main point of contention from reading the PC threads, and your opinions go directly against one of his goals. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14571	Posted - 2015.01.23 17:47:00 - [229] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: It's like being really, really good at a game that nobody wants to play. It might not be because you are so great, it might just be a broken game. Did you just describe DUST? Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14572	Posted - 2015.01.23 18:06:00 - [230] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: bolsh lee wrote: You're delusional if you think PC corps "proto stomping" are what drive players away from this game..... Also if elitists are the reason you don't play PvP then Competitive PvP games are not for you.. Elitists should drive you to play and/or get better. Not give up till your style of competition is handed to you while you armchair quarterback.. Yeah, I am sure mercs having ridiculous amounts of ISK to blow any any fitting they want and coming into pubs with players right out of the academy had NOTHING to do with those players never returning... You mistake Elitists for people who have great skill. You could be the greatest player in the game and not be Elitist. Likewise, you could be the worst cough Thunderbolt cough and be Elitist. CSGO, the team NiP is among the top teams in the game, and their personality is like that of carebears. I don't see any elitism from them, and they are playing for real dollars, not ISK Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*

Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14573	Posted - 2015.01.23 18:11:00 - [231] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: One Eyed King wrote: bolsh lee wrote: You're delusional if you think PC corps "proto stomping" are what drive players away from this game..... Also if elitists are the reason you don't play PvP then Competitive PvP games are not for you.. Elitists should drive you to play and/or get better. Not give up till your style of competition is handed to you while you armchair quarterback.. Yeah, I am sure mercs having ridiculous amounts of ISK to blow any any fitting they want and coming into pubs with players right out of the academy had NOTHING to do with those players never returning... You mistake Elitists for people who have great skill. You could be the greatest player in the game and not be Elitist. Likewise, you could be the worst cough Thunderbolt cough and be Elitist. PC is sooooooooooo elitist that barely anyone is in it right? Then please tell me how there is so much proto stomping in pubs? Only a select few are in PC so how are there so many proto users in pubs? Also, if you are going to blame PC players for making pub players quit, then can pub players be responsible for making academy players quit? Can confirm that the amount of PC matches I was in is less than 10, but I still have a ridiculous amount of ISK that I earned through pubs, so I run proto 24/7. Also helps that I go ISK positive in more than 50% of my matches, so I can fund my proto fits indefinitely. I am part of the problem, but the way I see it, if CCP won't do anything about it, I won't stop doing it so it keeps bugging them. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14574	Posted - 2015.01.23 18:21:00 - [232] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Freccia di Lybra wrote: Roman837 wrote: Attack us. Do you even know who you're talking to? Look, I seriously would regroup all my former corporation just to stop your wanton elitism, if I could. I want to buy tickets to this. POPCORN! GET YOUR POPCORN RIGHT HERE! 10 ISK A POP! Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Stryker Syx Vector D3ATH CARD RUST415 89	Posted - 2015.01.23 18:25:00 - [233] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Freccia di Lybra wrote: Roman837 wrote: Attack us. Do you even know who you're talking to? Look, I seriously would regroup all my former corporation just to stop your wanton elitism, if I could. I want to buy tickets to this. POPCORN! GET YOUR POPCORN RIGHT HERE! 10 ISK A POP! I'll take two bags
Bremen van Equis BASTARDS OF BEDLAM 136	Posted - 2015.01.23 18:42:00 - [234] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: POPCORN! GET YOUR POPCORN RIGHT HERE! 10 ISK A POP! Dude I'm stuffed after reading this thread...so much entertainment. They're all gonna quit. They're all not gonna quit but instead join forces to rule the roost. It's like wrestling! Buckle up, boysGÇªthis ramp leads to space. -Axe Cop
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property 5813	Posted - 2015.01.23 18:57:00 - [235] - Quote Accesible? You guys realize if you want land in PC it's as easy as.... asking for one? It's very accessible - so much so one man corps are popping up all over the place and are being put down. It's absurd people cry about how tough PC is to break into when you don't even bother trying or getting to know what's going on in PC. What PC really needed was a UI over-haul - tutorials on star map - and ADVERTISE IT EVEN EXISTS IN THE DAMN GAME. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1412	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:01:00 - [236] - Quote Bremen van Equis wrote: Cat Merc wrote: POPCORN! GET YOUR POPCORN RIGHT HERE! 10 ISK A POP! Dude I'm stuffed after reading this thread...so much entertainment. They're all gonna quit. They're all not gonna quit but instead join forces to rule the roost. It's like wrestling! that is exactly right. you guys asked for it, you got it. welcome to PC :) I use to play this game, but my dog got sick- Zatara the Pizza Boy
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1412	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:03:00 - [237] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Accesible? You guys realize if you want land in PC it's as easy as.... asking for one? It's very accessible - so much so one man corps are popping up all over the place and are being put down. It's absurd people cry about how tough PC is to break into when you don't even bother trying or getting to know what's going on in PC. What PC really needed was a UI over-haul - tutorials on star map - and ADVERTISE IT EVEN EXISTS IN THE DAMN GAME. no, no, they just don't want land. they want the timers changed so they can play when they want to. lol they want instant pc battles from what I gather. As if. It is really hard to tell what they want as most have not participated in PC I use to play this game, but my dog got sick- Zatara the Pizza Boy
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 425	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:32:00 - [238] - Quote I like Romans idea of giving someone a district and offering protection while they get started in pc. It shows sportsmanship. But I'm left to wonder: how is it less of a handout than what ccp is offering with these changes? Does that offer come with the new changes? I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property 5814	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:42:00 - [239] - Quote 137H4RGIC wrote: I like Romans idea of giving someone a district and offering protection while they get started in pc. It shows sportsmanship. But I'm left to wonder: how is it less of a handout than what ccp is offering with these changes? Does that offer come with the new changes? One is the community handling it's own affairs. The other is CCP violating the sandbox. CCP should just come out straight and say this isn't New Eden - it's closer to Disney Land. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 425	Posted - 2015.01.23 20:02:00 - [240] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: 137H4RGIC wrote: I like Romans idea of giving someone a district and offering protection while they get started in pc. It shows sportsmanship. But I'm left to wonder: how is it less of a handout than what ccp is offering with these changes? Does that offer come with the new changes? One is the community handling it's own affairs. The other is CCP violating the sandbox. CCP should just come out straight and say this isn't New Eden - it's closer to Disney Land. So, ccp is giving us more tools to pay with in the sand box by making total conquest harder to achieve, making new even a much more cutthroat place for everyone to control land, making strategies for holding districts more intense requiring more plotting by the corporate brass. Why is the bigger challenge a problem? These changes won't invalidate our skill. Rather, with our practice, we Will be ahead of the curveball and hold more land more effectively than the new people. Not only will we stay ahead but we will see old friends returning and new faces on the competitive side of dust. Edit. With ccp new changes people will still have to fight for districts rather than being given one by people who already have land. Under the point of dispute of handouts I thought you guys would have more respect for people who fought their way up instead of being given a district. I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)

Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14583	Posted - 2015.01.23 20:05:00 - [241] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Accesible? You guys realize if you want land in PC it's as easy as.... asking for one? It's very accessible - so much so one man corps are popping up all over the place and are being put down. It's absurd people cry about how tough PC is to break into when you don't even bother trying or getting to know what's going on in PC. What PC really needed was a UI over-haul - tutorials on star map - and ADVERTISE IT EVEN EXISTS IN THE DAMN GAME. UI overhaul is a must. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property 5816	Posted - 2015.01.23 20:39:00 - [242] - Quote 137H4RGIC wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: 137H4RGIC wrote: I like Romans idea of giving someone a district and offering protection while they get started in pc. It shows sportsmanship. But I'm left to wonder: how is it less of a handout than what ccp is offering with these changes? Does that offer come with the new changes? One is the community handling it's own affairs. The other is CCP violating the sandbox. CCP should just come out straight and say this isn't New Eden - it's closer to Disney Land. So, ccp is giving us more tools to pay with in the sand box by making total conquest harder to achieve, making new even a much more cutthroat place for everyone to control land, making strategies for holding districts more intense requiring more plotting by the corporate brass. Why is the bigger challenge a problem? These changes won't invalidate our skill. Rather, with our practice, we Will be ahead of the curveball and hold more land more effectively than the new people. Not only will we stay ahead but we will see old friends returning and new faces on the competitive side of dust. Edit. With ccp new changes people will still have to fight for districts rather than being given one by people who already have land. Under the point of dispute of handouts I thought you guys would have more respect for people who fought their way up instead of being given a district. These changes aren't going to change the fact the same corps are going to stomp you. What it will do is ruin the sandbox and choices we've made up to this point to get where we are. If you want to work your way up here - it's not hard. I personally field people with just 10mil SP and they do just fine. The Warbarge addition sounds really cool - no vet will complain about that. What we don't want is CCP telling us what district we can take. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 426	Posted - 2015.01.23 20:55:00 - [243] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: These changes aren't going to change the fact the same corps are going to stomp you. I do not think anyone is disputing this. SoTa PoP wrote: What it will do is ruin the sandbox and choices we've made up to this point to get where we are. How will it ruin the sandbox? SoTa PoP wrote: If you want to work your way up here - it's not hard. I personally field people with just 10mil SP and they do just fine. I have worked my way up there before, you're right it isn't that hard, that's why the changes are being made. SoTa PoP wrote: The Warbarge addition sounds really cool - no vet will complain about that. What we don't want is CCP telling us what district we can take. I don't think they are. The only ones limiting you are yourselves. You can take whatever district you want, but can you hold on to it indefinitely? If so, more power to you. :) I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)
rasputin900000 Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 26	Posted - 2015.01.23 21:05:00 - [244] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Posted this in war room. Was told it would be seen faster here Talking trash aside...politics aside and personal beefs aside. I love this game. The interaction in players is the most rewarding thing about it. We are a self run community. And we appreciate that you CCP take the time to listen to your players and make changes based on what we say . Even if it is at a slow rate. Change happens. What I am mad about....is the people you are gathering your information from...to make changes to pc....are not even in pc. This is a Rediculous thing. Knowing stats on suits...and other geeky stats is great an all for those math wizards. But. ..do not for a second think that they are in any shape way or form involved in the most competitive form of your game. Planetary Conquest. Let them talk in general discussion about nerfing the gun that kills them. Given any gun in this game we have players in planetary conquest that would crush that same person complaining about an op gun. Give kalante a militia any gun and he will have general discussion players crying of op ness.-á My sincere advise to you. Is create an in game chat channel. Make sure you eve protect it so no trolls can join it. And invite us into your chat. And talk with us. Please. Do not listen to some loser cpm or X cpm who does not even play your game. We do. We play it every day all day. Don't believe me ccp? If it's possible I want you to look up and post my planetary conquest only stats. You will see I pc multiple times a day every day. And know every single major pc player. We are the ones you should be talking to. No one should be advising you on game changes related to pc but us. We don't care about weapons and stat changes. We will adapt to what yiu give us and kill any pub player. You need to consult us. Please create a channel and invite us to it. In 1 hour we can give you more dedication and constructive criticism then a years worth of cpm meetings.-á Give us a time and a date. We will create the chat and organize it. To the players reading this. Don't **** it up. If they do want to talk and listen to use keep you troll mouths shut. We will do the talking and we will help our game. One idiot talking trash or being a tough 12 year old on the Internet will ruin it for all or us. I don't want this game to ever die. And planetary conquest is the only reason I still play it. Don't kill it by listening to people who do not play it. Agreed
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1421	Posted - 2015.01.23 22:19:00 - [245] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: 137H4RGIC wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: 137H4RGIC wrote: I like Romans idea of giving someone a district and offering protection while they get started in pc. It shows sportsmanship. But I'm left to wonder: how is it less of a handout than what ccp is offering with these changes? Does that offer come with the new changes? One is the community handling it's own affairs. The other is CCP violating the sandbox. CCP should just come out straight and say this isn't New Eden - it's closer to Disney Land. So, ccp is giving us more tools to pay with in the sand box by making total conquest harder to achieve, making new even a much more cutthroat place for everyone to control land, making strategies for holding districts more intense requiring more plotting by the corporate brass. Why is the bigger challenge a problem? These changes won't invalidate our skill. Rather, with our practice, we Will be ahead of the curveball and hold more land more effectively than the new people. Not only will we stay ahead but we will see old friends returning and new faces on the competitive side of dust. Edit. With ccp new changes people will still have to fight for districts rather than being given one by people who already have land. Under the point of dispute of handouts I thought you guys would have more respect for people who fought their way up instead of being given a district. These changes aren't going to change the fact the same corps are going to stomp you. What it will do is ruin the sandbox and choices we've made up to this point to get where we are. If you want to work your way up here - it's not hard. I personally field people with just 10mil SP and they do just fine. The Warbarge addition sounds really cool - no vet will complain about that. What we don't want is CCP telling us what district we can take. I can agree. The top corps now are going to be the top corps then. I use to play this game, but my dog got sick- Zatara the Pizza Boy
Alaika Arbosa Minmatar Republic 2413	Posted - 2015.01.23 22:36:00 - [246] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Changes so that the entire community can enjoy? They can enjoy it now. They chose not to. Your right everyone should be included in discussing the changes. Including pc players. What pc players were consulted? Who? The changes being proposed is garbage. What your saying is the changes should accommodate the people currently not in pc...and anger the ones currently who are. That is horrible logic. Ares 514. People who play this game are the ones who this is for. Not you. This is a perfect example of why your logic is flawed. Participate =/= Enjoy Ad Space Available Here 1m Isk/day Mail me message after transferring Isk (sig updated upon transfer completion)
Alaika Arbosa Minmatar Republic 2414	Posted - 2015.01.23 22:41:00 - [247] - Quote Roman837 wrote: No body cares about our chat channel? So the 40 CEOs and big names in pc don't matter? You're on glue. What will ccp do when we boycott pc? Or we all say **** it. We're out. We are the ones playing this game as it's intended. Full out Lose 40 people out of ~3000 players? Oh noes. There goes the game. What ever will we do? Ad Space Available Here 1m Isk/day Mail me message after transferring Isk (sig updated upon transfer completion)
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1545	Posted - 2015.01.23 22:45:00 - [248] - Quote GD has discovered the addiction known as Roman Tears.
Stryker Syx Vector D3ATH CARD RUST415 91	Posted - 2015.01.23 23:21:00 - [249] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Roman837 wrote: No body cares about our chat channel? So the 40 CEOs and big names in pc don't matter? You're on glue. What will ccp do when we boycott pc? Or we all say ** it. We're out. We are the ones playing this game as it's intended. Full out Lose 40 people out of ~3000 players? Oh noes. There goes the game. What ever will we do? I know what I'll do. Laugh. When I get the time to play again. I'll laugh with corp mates. And roman will probably still *** and say "HEY LOOK AT ME I'M IMPORTANT! NO REALLY I AM!" lol
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property 5817	Posted - 2015.01.23 23:24:00 - [250] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Roman837 wrote: No body cares about our chat channel? So the 40 CEOs and big names in pc don't matter? You're on glue. What will ccp do when we boycott pc? Or we all say **** it. We're out. We are the ones playing this game as it's intended. Full out Lose 40 people out of ~3000 players? Oh noes. There goes the game. What ever will we do? You'll probably enjoy not being stomped by all us all the time. GD really wasn't the place for this topic - these peasants haven't put in the 10th of the time we have into this game. There comprehension of things end after the numbers on a spread sheet does. There's a reason they keep to GD and not in WR - they can't handle it. Right now the only thing preventing corps getting into PC is cost of a clone pack - and that's literally it. Anyone who believes otherwise is beyond help. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot

Alaika Arbosa Minmatar Republic 2415	Posted - 2015.01.23 23:24:00 - [251] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Looks like CCP reads these posts aswell as they have been liking my posts. Want this game to die? Don't listen to me or other PC players. This is where you are the delusional one. We are the majority. Our corps are the pc corps. We are the ones killing and being killed. We are the ones playing that collects your data. Hence why every player in the top 200 om any leader board is a person who plays pc. That's why all top 20 weekly corp stats are from corps who play pc. We play the most. In pubs and pc. You want to make changes that mainly represent the causal players? The ones who might long on for an hour? Talk about a **** up logic. You would slap in the face those who are the most dedicated to appease the ones who are not? Mark my words. Put this on your wall post up. Anger the PC community and watch dust die. Anger the leaders who control those players...watch dust die. Continue listening to people who have no dam clue what they talking about. Watch dust die. Write that on your ***** wall. Oh noes. #DustIsDying.......again We the pc players make up a huge majority of active players. --Roman837 ^^ROFLMAO OMG I need to catch my breath now..
Ice-Pie Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.01.24 01:21:00 - [252] - Quote Let the grunts beat their chest they believe because they are the most proficient at the game, they should dictate how is run, when six months ago we thought dust really was dying. Now we are getting content which will improve our player base, make our end game content more reachable for those with less skill. They want to keep their club house and not let anyone in unless they dictate how the game is run, which, this isn't their game to start with. Is the intellectual property of CCP Games. Tl; dr: Use some of that adaptation you keep bragging about, and HTFU this is New Eden patches happen and it changes the game play. Just ask any pilot in eve who uses jump bridges or jump drives.
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 916	Posted - 2015.01.24 13:17:00 - [253] - Quote I so not even going to quote you baboons. I am just going to respond. To the last post...you mentioned. ..6 months ago yiu thought dust was going to die. What did you do. You did like most people. And you quit. Or maybe you just played once in awhile. You gave up. We did not. We stuck it out and gave ccp benefit of the doubt. Even tho we were mad at them we did not abandon them. To the person who obviously is ******** who said oh no...what will we do if 40 people leave the game compared to 3000. Those 40 people in the chat are CEOs of every major corporation. Currently in pc or were once in pc. Under our 40 corps...we all have very active players. Guarenteed if those 40 people said. I quit. Over 50 percent or their corp members would quit aswell. Or. If those 40 members decided to do something even more crazy. ..like I don't know...form an alliance. We woukd dominate everyone. We woukd farm this new source or income called goo. We would still fight each other in pc. For fun. For competition. But...since yiu don't want us to be end game competitive and to limit us on how much we can hold. Why do we now care that the other corp holds a huge portion of land. All we have to do. Is keep you all out. Those 40 people control armies. Those 40 can call more people then everyone else active combined. Great idea. Insult 1 of those 40 who is the most active and long stabbed CEOS and pc players in the game. Have fun entering the new platform of pc. We will stand ready to smash you. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law 888	Posted - 2015.01.24 13:45:00 - [254] - Quote Dust User wrote: GD has discovered the addiction known as Roman Tears. The war room definitely wasn't enough for Roman. He's now aiming at the entire community, GD peasants included. 10100111001 Shield tanking is hard mode /period. 10100111001
Alaika Arbosa Minmatar Republic 2418	Posted - 2015.01.24 14:33:00 - [255] - Quote Roman837 wrote: I so not even going to quote you baboons. I am just going to respond. To the last post...you mentioned. ..6 months ago yiu thought dust was going to die. What did you do. You did like most people. And you quit. Or maybe you just played once in awhile. You gave up. We did not. We stuck it out and gave ccp benefit of the doubt. Even tho we were mad at them we did not abandon them. To the person who obviously is ****** who said oh no...what will we do if 40 people leave the game compared to 3000. Those 40 people in the chat are CEOs of every major corporation. Currently in pc or were once in pc. Under our 40 corps...we all have very active players. Guarenteed if those 40 people said. I quit. Over 50 percent or their corp members would quit aswell. Or. If those 40 members decided to do something even more crazy. ..like I don't know...form an alliance. We woukd dominate everyone. We woukd farm this new source or income called goo. We would still fight each other in pc. For fun. For competition. But...since yiu don't want us to be end game competitive and to limit us on how much we can hold. Why do we now care that the other corp holds a huge portion of land. All we have to do. Is keep you all out. Those 40 people control armies. Those 40 can call more people then everyone else active combined. Great idea. Insult 1 of those 40 who is the most active and long stabbed CEOS and pc players in the game. Have fun entering the new platform of pc. We will stand ready to smash you. lol "We will stand ready to smash you" This is too rich, he is trying way too hard to be intimidating. You sure do think highly of yourself for putting in so much workplaying a game. See what I did there? Just in case you didn't. I pointed out that you want people to work to play a game. How ***** ridiculous is that? Have fun, make progress, yes, but work? Actually work? How would this be play then? If it is my work, it is not my play, otherwise it wouldn't be called work, it'd be called play. I also find it terribly amusing that you still think this game or any other online PvP video game outside of a LAN party is actually competitive. Lag, terrible min/maxers, kids willing to use things like modded controllers because "If I don't use every advantage available to me how will I be competitive" (yes, I have actually heard that justification used to legitimize modded controllers). You're (wha? proper usage?) so caught up on beating your chest over pixels that you really don't see the big picture. In closing, even if your 40 corps left taking 50% of the active membership of each corp, it would still only be a minority of players that left. 75%-90% of the playerbase would assuredly still be here, I'd wager that they wouldn't even miss you. PS: Have fun preventing any of my alts from getting into the new PC landscape, are you so sure your ironclad empire has no cracks in it? Also, if you and your friends are going to say "Screw you guys, I'm going home" how then will you prevent me from being in PC? Which one of them was the bluster? My cup awaits the deluge of Roman tears that will cause it to runneth over. We the pc players make up a huge majority of active players. --Roman837 ^^ROFLMAO OMG I need to catch my breath now..
Valor Goat 126	Posted - 2015.01.26 12:38:00 - [256] - Quote Roman go suck a **** 1EE7
18inch black rubbercock Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.01.26 12:40:00 - [257] - Quote Don't worry Roman I'm here to make you feel better again .
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 961	Posted - 2015.01.26 13:20:00 - [258] - Quote How'd I miss that last few posts. You think by CCP making some changes its instantly going to make you better? It's going to help you get into pc? No. Well..yes...maybe for a day or 2. Then you will be removed and then we are back to square one. You QQing on forums....us playing planetary conquest Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1979	Posted - 2015.01.26 13:46:00 - [259] - Quote Roman I have to say you are approaching this subject in a rather counterconstructive manner . In your op you seem to think you and your 40 ceos have more Iinsight into this game than anyone else (if you don't actually mean it to soundthat way then you should reconsider your wording and phrasing ) now obviously it would be better for the game, player retention if pc was much more accessible rather than the elitist boys club that caters for less than a quarter of this games population that it is today. Also I'd like to ask do you and your 40 ceos really think that much of yourselves that you believe 50% of all your 40 corps players would just up and go with you cos I really doubt that would happen and when you make statements like that it makes you appear to to be doing nothing more than chest beating. Proud Caldari purist . Rank 10 colonel omiwarrior. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1560	Posted - 2015.01.26 13:59:00 - [260] - Quote Thread of the week. lolromansboat

Alaika Arbosa Minmatar Republic 2423	Posted - 2015.01.26 14:01:00 - [261] - Quote Roman837 wrote: You QQing on forums....us playing planetary conquest So that whole "We'll quit and each take 50% of our corp with us" was just bluster.... Why am I not surprised? We the pc players make up a huge majority of active players. --Roman837 ^^ROFLMAO OMG I need to catch my breath now..
Valor Goat 128	Posted - 2015.01.26 15:04:00 - [262] - Quote Dust User wrote: lolromansboat 1EE7
m621 zma 252	Posted - 2015.01.26 18:17:00 - [263] - Quote Reads OP's post... Goes to starmap... Can't see OP's corp on any district... Decides OP is talking shite.
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1567	Posted - 2015.01.26 18:32:00 - [264] - Quote m621 zma wrote: Reads OP's post... Goes to starmap... Can't see OP's corp on any district... Decides OP is talking shite. Roman's word is forever tarnished.
MR MOJOO Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 17	Posted - 2015.01.26 21:42:00 - [265] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Everytime CCP reads a post from some PC dude that says "pc is accessible" they look at their statistics and laugh. There's a HUGE gap between the current PC community and the rest of the Dust community in regards to team play. Personally I think PC has stayed the way it has for so long that I don't think anything can bridge that gap. NS didn't get its massive amount of districts until PC was already largely dead. Hidden timers aren't killing PC. Locking isn't killing PC. It's the fact that when it matters there are a few dozen players under the current mechanics can dominate everything in a few weeks. When people come to that realization and start giving feedback accordingly, we won't be stuck with PS2. Thor is my forum buddy. We always agree. Go figure. Maybe one day i'll see you in game. you're back G¥ñ "Fuck off fucking scrub, bitch ass noob get good"~usuckatdust vagheitan
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1063	Posted - 2015.01.26 21:45:00 - [266] - Quote MR MOJOO wrote: Ares 514 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Everytime CCP reads a post from some PC dude that says "pc is accessible" they look at their statistics and laugh. There's a HUGE gap between the current PC community and the rest of the Dust community in regards to team play. Personally I think PC has stayed the way it has for so long that I don't think anything can bridge that gap. NS didn't get its massive amount of districts until PC was already largely dead. Hidden timers aren't killing PC. Locking isn't killing PC. It's the fact that when it matters there are a few dozen players under the current mechanics can dominate everything in a few weeks. When people come to that realization and start giving feedback accordingly, we won't be stuck with PS2. Thor is my forum buddy. We always agree. Go figure. Maybe one day i'll see you in game. you're back G¥ñ I've been back for sometime, just play later now then before :) Overlord of Broman
MR MOJOO Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 17	Posted - 2015.01.26 21:49:00 - [267] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: MR MOJOO wrote: Ares 514 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Everytime CCP reads a post from some PC dude that says "pc is accessible" they look at their statistics and laugh. There's a HUGE gap between the current PC community and the rest of the Dust community in regards to team play. Personally I think PC has stayed the way it has for so long that I don't think anything can bridge that gap. NS didn't get its massive amount of districts until PC was already largely dead. Hidden timers aren't killing PC. Locking isn't killing PC. It's the fact that when it matters there are a few dozen players under the current mechanics can dominate everything in a few weeks. When people come to that realization and start giving feedback accordingly, we won't be stuck with PS2. Thor is my forum buddy. We always agree. Go figure. Maybe one day i'll see you in game. you're back G¥ñ I've been back for sometime, just play later now then before :) OMG I thought I lost you "Fuck off fucking scrub, bitch ass noob get good"~usuckatdust vagheitan
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2090	Posted - 2015.01.27 05:17:00 - [268] - Quote Tears are the salt on my popcorn. "F*ck the polis" - Socrates
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1335	Posted - 2015.01.27 07:12:00 - [269] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Tears are the salt on my popcorn. Have you ever had soggy popcorn? It's not very good. Dual tanking is for bad players. 21 day EVE trial.
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1335	Posted - 2015.01.27 07:13:00 - [270] - Quote m621 zma wrote: Reads OP's post... Goes to starmap... Can't see OP's corp on any district... Decides OP is talking shite. Said the scrub alt Dual tanking is for bad players. 21 day EVE trial.

Breakin Stuff Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6791	Posted - 2015.01.27 11:23:00 - [271] - Quote When raids become a thing I'll be in the wings with a few well-practiced friends. We will come eight by eight. We will slip into your backyard. And we will burn your house down. Retaliate all you want. We're here for the sheer joy of violence. On another note? Man up and start recruiting. The days of small corps with a cadre of hopeful tax slaves who will never be allowed to play PC are about to come to a close. Now you will actually have to recruit and train new players to participate in your good old boys' club. AV
m621 zma 253	Posted - 2015.01.27 12:48:00 - [272] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: m621 zma wrote: Reads OP's post... Goes to starmap... Can't see OP's corp on any district... Decides OP is talking shite. Said the scrub alt If I'm an alt with over 97k kills then how many kills do I have on my main?
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 963	Posted - 2015.01.27 12:57:00 - [273] - Quote I sense jealously in alot of these posts. Talk as much **** as you all can. I am successfull in this game and I am very active. At one point or another I have smashed just about every single corp out there. If you think I care if I lose a few fights here and there you are wrong. If you think I really care that it takes coalitions to compete vs us...you are wrong. I enjoy it. It brings us fights. And I wish CCP would release stats showing how many PCS we have been in and our WIN Loss in them. Mine would blow all of yours out of the water. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Breakin Stuff Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6796	Posted - 2015.01.27 15:16:00 - [274] - Quote Roman837 wrote: I sense jealously in alot of these posts. Talk as much **** as you all can. I am successfull in this game and I am very active. At one point or another I have smashed just about every single corp out there. If you think I care if I lose a few fights here and there you are wrong. If you think I really care that it takes coalitions to compete vs us...you are wrong. I enjoy it. It brings us fights. And I wish CCP would release stats showing how many PCS we have been in and our WIN Loss in them. Mine would blow all of yours out of the water. And we care... why? No really. Most of us don't play for stat numbers. Hell in EVE I don't care about my KDR, just the amount of damage done to the enemy. AV
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3002	Posted - 2015.01.27 15:19:00 - [275] - Quote Well, it appears as if our size may be a huge asset once the changes to PC come..... ....should be very interesting.
Stryker Syx Vector D3ATH CARD RUST415 101	Posted - 2015.01.29 14:47:00 - [276] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Roman837 wrote: I sense jealously in alot of these posts. Talk as much **** as you all can. I am successfull in this game and I am very active. At one point or another I have smashed just about every single corp out there. If you think I care if I lose a few fights here and there you are wrong. If you think I really care that it takes coalitions to compete vs us...you are wrong. I enjoy it. It brings us fights. And I wish CCP would release stats showing how many PCS we have been in and our WIN Loss in them. Mine would blow all of yours out of the water. And we care... why? No really. Most of us don't play for stat numbers. Hell in EVE I don't care about my KDR, just the amount of damage done to the enemy. I think Roman's compensating for something
Patrick57 9694	Posted - 2015.01.30 01:05:00 - [277] - Quote Big Burns wrote: They should have been taking advice from guys like Roman837 all along. Kalante Schiffer, Kain Spero, ChicagoCubsForever, Regnum, Milkman1, Kaizuka Sniper, TheLegend345, TheMarkof22, Sgt. Biggz, Annie Oakley, Calamity Jane, Funkmaster Whale, James5955,etc. I mean the list goes on and on. Each of these guys were/are trailblazers in their fields. They should have been drawing ideas from these guys from the beginning, concerning all gamemodes and aspects of the game. I get confused when the community gets excited about guys like: CeoPyrex, Zatara Rought, Duna2002, etc. It's like their perception and overall insight on this game is tainted. Yes let's only listen to top PC players about how PC should be i fucking hate waffles
137H4RGIC Kinsho Swords Caldari State 464	Posted - 2015.01.30 02:20:00 - [278] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: m621 zma wrote: Reads OP's post... Goes to starmap... Can't see OP's corp on any district... Decides OP is talking shite. Said the scrub alt Doesn't invalidate his post any less. I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)
Bremen van Equis Incorruptibles 373	Posted - 2015.04.17 02:38:00 - [279] - Quote Bumping For (his)tory Buckle up, boysGÇªthis ramp leads to space. -Axe Cop
bear90211 Nyain San 234	Posted - 2015.07.15 11:48:00 - [280] - Quote Revived. (EDIT) CCP please you never took this mans advice, well you took about 5% of his advice, you made a channel. ONE or TWO CCP employees on for MAYBE 4 hours a day and one of them is always AFK and the other one doing something Important in that chat. Please, don't listen to the noobs, listen to the people who DO have an idea of what the hell is actually happening, luckily the new CPM runners ARE mostly active players DUST side (The NF ones, from what I know) this will help Progress the game, and not just end you guys in a constant BUFF, NERF, BUFF war with the noobs here on the forums. (Not that you people are noobs, just the complainers that don't really know ANYTHING or TROLLS are) o7 CCP. My sig is suuper old.. now i rip faces with my HMG. looking for logies yo.btw #tacos

bear90211 Nyain San 235	Posted - 2015.07.15 12:11:00 - [281] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Big Burns wrote: They should have been taking advice from guys like Roman837 all along. Kalante Schiffer, Kain Spero, ChicagoCubsForever, Regnum, Milkman1, Kaizuka Sniper, TheLegend345, TheMarkof22, Sgt. Biggz, Annie Oakley, Calamity Jane, Funkmaster Whale, James5955,etc. I mean the list goes on and on. Each of these guys were/are trailblazers in their fields. They should have been drawing ideas from these guys from the beginning, concerning all gamemodes and aspects of the game. I get confused when the community gets excited about guys like: CeoPyrex, Zatara Rought, Duna2002, etc. It's like their perception and overall insight on this game is tainted. Yes let's only listen to top PC players about how PC should be Your comment is too true. My sig is suuper old.. now i rip faces with my HMG. looking for logies yo.btw #tacos


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