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Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Roman837 wrote:

Soraya Xel wrote:

Ku Shala wrote:

input from the PC community is important but the exclusiveness of pc is one of the problems with it. opinions from all sides are valuable at this point since pc mechanics will be entirely different from what they are now.

This. Second response to the thread nailed it.

Roman, we want a lot more than just the current PC crowd to enjoy PC. It's not going to work to just build a new PC based on Kane's feedback and your feedback. Designs that exclude a lot of other corps aren't going to fly, and the experiences of people who were pushed out of PC or stopped playing PC are actually a lot more valuable than the current PC crowd in determining where the design for PC went wrong.

jane stalin wrote:

My apologies , can someone tell me where these proporsed changes to PC are being discussed? I can only see references to timers.

There's multiple threads on proposed PC changes in the Feedback and Ideas board.

Changes so that the entire community can enjoy? They can enjoy it now. They chose not to. Your right everyone should be included in discussing the changes. Including pc players. What pc players were consulted? Who? The changes being proposed is garbage. What your saying is the changes should accommodate the people currently not in pc...and anger the ones currently who are. That is horrible logic. Ares 514. People who play this game are the ones who this is for. Not you.

People aren't necessarily choosing not to do PC. Do you want them to get a hundred players willing to grind for a month in free suits with 100% tax for enough ISK to launch a handful of attacks?

Do you want them to look for hundred more players to do the same when the first tell them to go F themselves after getting redlined and individually losing millions of ISK?

How many PC battles do you think it would take for a non-PC corp to even begin to figure out how the heck the enemy is in the city with 32 uplinks out and points hacked before their DS even hits the ground?

There's a middle ground. We are currently on hardmode. Let's push for intermediate mode before we get stuck with easy mode.

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Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 789	Posted - 2015.01.21 19:48:00 - [1] - Quote Posted this in war room. Was told it would be seen faster here Talking trash aside...politics aside and personal beefs aside. I love this game. The interaction in players is the most rewarding thing about it. We are a self run community. And we appreciate that you CCP take the time to listen to your players and make changes based on what we say . Even if it is at a slow rate. Change happens. What I am mad about....is the people you are gathering your information from...to make changes to pc....are not even in pc. This is a Rediculous thing. Knowing stats on suits...and other geeky stats is great an all for those math wizards. But. ..do not for a second think that they are in any shape way or form involved in the most competitive form of your game. Planetary Conquest. Let them talk in general discussion about nerfing the gun that kills them. Given any gun in this game we have players in planetary conquest that would crush that same person complaining about an op gun. Give kalante a militia any gun and he will have general discussion players crying of op ness.-á My sincere advise to you. Is create an in game chat channel. Make sure you eve protect it so no trolls can join it. And invite us into your chat. And talk with us. Please. Do not listen to some loser cpm or X cpm who does not even play your game. We do. We play it every day all day. Don't believe me ccp? If it's possible I want you to look up and post my planetary conquest only stats. You will see I pc multiple times a day every day. And know every single major pc player. We are the ones you should be talking to. No one should be advising you on game changes related to pc but us. We don't care about weapons and stat changes. We will adapt to what yiu give us and kill any pub player. You need to consult us. Please create a channel and invite us to it. In 1 hour we can give you more dedication and constructive criticism then a years worth of cpm meetings.-á Give us a time and a date. We will create the chat and organize it. To the players reading this. Don't **** it up. If they do want to talk and listen to use keep you troll mouths shut. We will do the talking and we will help our game. One idiot talking trash or being a tough 12 year old on the Internet will ruin it for all or us. I don't want this game to ever die. And planetary conquest is the only reason I still play it. Don't kill it by listening to people who do not play it. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 364	Posted - 2015.01.21 19:54:00 - [2] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Posted this in war room. Was told it would be seen faster here What I am mad about....is the people you are gathering your information from...to make changes to pc....are not even in pc. This is a Rediculous thing. Knowing stats on suits...and other geeky stats is great an all for those math wizards. But. ..do not for a second think that they are in any shape way or form involved in the most competitive form of your game. Planetary Conquest. As far as I know, everyone posting there is active or has been active in PC. Of course, people who never played PC won't know what to say hence won't post anything. Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
Ku Shala The Generals 1145	Posted - 2015.01.21 20:00:00 - [3] - Quote input from the PC community is important but the exclusiveness of pc is one of the problems with it. opinions from all sides are valuable at this point since pc mechanics will be entirely different from what they are now. *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist Tiger Style
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 790	Posted - 2015.01.21 20:11:00 - [4] - Quote Pc mechanics being changed should come from feed back of those that play it. You won't hear me making any claims or ideas in regards to tanking because you will never catch me in one. The changes being proposed are by people who have no clue what they are talking about. They are hypothesising in other words talking out their dam asses Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2855	Posted - 2015.01.21 20:18:00 - [5] - Quote Listen to Roman. I say listen because he is loud and has terrible grammar. :) Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 176	Posted - 2015.01.21 20:28:00 - [6] - Quote ROMAN THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH CAPITALS IN YOUR PARAGRAPHS ..JK nah but for real ccp you should do this Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 105	Posted - 2015.01.21 20:29:00 - [7] - Quote My apologies , can someone tell me where these proporsed changes to PC are being discussed? I can only see references to timers. I currently avoid PC because I am already getting protostomped more than I need to be If CCP is actually trying to fix the problem of people avoiding PC with gun nerfs and suit tweaks they are crazy.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5488	Posted - 2015.01.21 20:38:00 - [8] - Quote Ku Shala wrote: input from the PC community is important but the exclusiveness of pc is one of the problems with it. opinions from all sides are valuable at this point since pc mechanics will be entirely different from what they are now. This. Third response on the thread nailed it. Roman, we want a lot more than just the current PC crowd to enjoy PC. It's not going to work to just build a new PC based on Kane's feedback and your feedback. Designs that exclude a lot of other corps aren't going to fly, and the experiences of people who were pushed out of PC or stopped playing PC are actually a lot more valuable than the current PC crowd in determining where the design for PC went wrong. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1027	Posted - 2015.01.21 20:47:00 - [9] - Quote Roman, I couldn't disagree with you more, as per usual. The PC mechanics as they were originally created were broken. Hopefully they fix them, but either way, input should be coming from all, not just those that have participated in the broken PC mechanics. Those excluded players will have useful input just like those included players will. Overlord of Broman
Big Burns Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 335	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:00:00 - [10] - Quote They should have been taking advice from guys like Roman837 all along. Kalante Schiffer, Kain Spero, ChicagoCubsForever, Regnum, Milkman1, Kaizuka Sniper, TheLegend345, TheMarkof22, Sgt. Biggz, Annie Oakley, Calamity Jane, Funkmaster Whale, James5955,etc. I mean the list goes on and on. Each of these guys were/are trailblazers in their fields. They should have been drawing ideas from these guys from the beginning, concerning all gamemodes and aspects of the game. I get confused when the community gets excited about guys like: CeoPyrex, Zatara Rought, Duna2002, etc. It's like their perception and overall insight on this game is tainted. I'm a try-hard, because half my team sits in the MCC.

Big Burns Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 335	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:02:00 - [11] - Quote Oops posted twice. sry. I'm a try-hard, because half my team sits in the MCC.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5782	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:09:00 - [12] - Quote Everytime CCP reads a post from some PC dude that says "pc is accessible" they look at their statistics and laugh. There's a HUGE gap between the current PC community and the rest of the Dust community in regards to team play. Personally I think PC has stayed the way it has for so long that I don't think anything can bridge that gap. NS didn't get its massive amount of districts until PC was already largely dead. Hidden timers aren't killing PC. Locking isn't killing PC. It's the fact that when it matters there are a few dozen players under the current mechanics can dominate everything in a few weeks. When people come to that realization and start giving feedback accordingly, we won't be stuck with PS2. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5782	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:17:00 - [13] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Ku Shala wrote: input from the PC community is important but the exclusiveness of pc is one of the problems with it. opinions from all sides are valuable at this point since pc mechanics will be entirely different from what they are now. This. Second response to the thread nailed it. Roman, we want a lot more than just the current PC crowd to enjoy PC. It's not going to work to just build a new PC based on Kane's feedback and your feedback. Designs that exclude a lot of other corps aren't going to fly, and the experiences of people who were pushed out of PC or stopped playing PC are actually a lot more valuable than the current PC crowd in determining where the design for PC went wrong. jane stalin wrote: My apologies , can someone tell me where these proporsed changes to PC are being discussed? I can only see references to timers. There's multiple threads on proposed PC changes in the Feedback and Ideas board. Just an FYI, I liked your post because I agree with you up until the point where you said input from others is MORE valuable. There are plenty of PC players that don't like the current mechanics. There are plenty of people in PC that want to see it become something better. I'm sure that CCP has heard a lot from Kane and Zatara and people like them in settings that most of us will never be privy to. I think a lot of the community felt like Kane was rigging the game in the favor of his elite troopers. Zatara probably told them all about how he built his corp from nothing (a bunch of very high KDR players from other PC corps) and dominated for some time. But those aren't the only voices. Sure you might here from YDubbs that the problem is that clone packs aren't expensive enough or you might hear from El Operator that PC is actually quite accessible, but there are plenty of people ready to help expand PC past a few hundred players. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1030	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:17:00 - [14] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Everytime CCP reads a post from some PC dude that says "pc is accessible" they look at their statistics and laugh. There's a HUGE gap between the current PC community and the rest of the Dust community in regards to team play. Personally I think PC has stayed the way it has for so long that I don't think anything can bridge that gap. NS didn't get its massive amount of districts until PC was already largely dead. Hidden timers aren't killing PC. Locking isn't killing PC. It's the fact that when it matters there are a few dozen players under the current mechanics can dominate everything in a few weeks. When people come to that realization and start giving feedback accordingly, we won't be stuck with PS2. Thor is my forum buddy. We always agree. Go figure. Maybe one day i'll see you in game. Overlord of Broman
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1478	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:21:00 - [15] - Quote Like others have said, knowing why people don't play PC is as valuable as knowing why people do. Because, that's why.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2938	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:22:00 - [16] - Quote Roman, While I like your idea about a conversation, I think you should take your ideas to the Features & Ideas discussion here and here.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5494	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:26:00 - [17] - Quote Thor, I'll take a partial agree. :) It's better than not agreeing. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
John ShepardIII Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 1146	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:32:00 - [18] - Quote Make an area for noobs to do PC and Leets to do their PCs. Like anyone with a district in the Leet area can't be in noob territory. The True Shepard Old GAM was OP Hakyou Brutor supreme Overlord of Dust
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 364	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:32:00 - [19] - Quote It is very important, in my opinion, to listen to why people deliberately never got involved in PC or why they left. If you already like something, you'll never find the right issues in it. I can tell you why I (as many others) decided to leave Planetary Conquest (and Dust, later): framerate issues, network lag, impossible timers. Now, I'd be pretty happy if they fix one of these issues, it would be a good step forward. Edit: Also remember, today's PC is what it is because old PC players already left. I could name at least 15 corporations that shouldn't own any district if "old" PC players and corporations were still active. Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 801	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:34:00 - [20] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Ku Shala wrote: input from the PC community is important but the exclusiveness of pc is one of the problems with it. opinions from all sides are valuable at this point since pc mechanics will be entirely different from what they are now. This. Second response to the thread nailed it. Roman, we want a lot more than just the current PC crowd to enjoy PC. It's not going to work to just build a new PC based on Kane's feedback and your feedback. Designs that exclude a lot of other corps aren't going to fly, and the experiences of people who were pushed out of PC or stopped playing PC are actually a lot more valuable than the current PC crowd in determining where the design for PC went wrong. jane stalin wrote: My apologies , can someone tell me where these proporsed changes to PC are being discussed? I can only see references to timers. There's multiple threads on proposed PC changes in the Feedback and Ideas board. Changes so that the entire community can enjoy? They can enjoy it now. They chose not to. Your right everyone should be included in discussing the changes. Including pc players. What pc players were consulted? Who? The changes being proposed is garbage. What your saying is the changes should accommodate the people currently not in pc...and anger the ones currently who are. That is horrible logic. Ares 514. People who play this game are the ones who this is for. Not you. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5495	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:41:00 - [21] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Changes so that the entire community can enjoy? They can enjoy it now. They chose not to. And that right there is why I value their opinions more than yours. ;) You don't see the problem. Roman837 wrote: Your right everyone should be included in discussing the changes. I usually am. :) Roman837 wrote: Including pc players. What pc players were consulted? Who? Zatara? And remember all the nonsense SoTa was bringing up claiming Zatara was idaring to solicit feedback from other people on ideas? Roman837 wrote: The changes being proposed is garbage. What your saying is the changes should accommodate the people currently not in pc...and anger the ones currently who are. That is horrible logic. Change is always hard. Especially when you're getting a harsh nerf. I don't think post-changes it should be possible to have a giant PC empire anymore. I expect a lot of people who expect to have a large PC empire, and are used to managing things on that scale, to be upset with that. I certainly want the design to reward top end skill and ability, though hopefully not by allowing them to control the game board. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5783	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:41:00 - [22] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Ku Shala wrote: input from the PC community is important but the exclusiveness of pc is one of the problems with it. opinions from all sides are valuable at this point since pc mechanics will be entirely different from what they are now. This. Second response to the thread nailed it. Roman, we want a lot more than just the current PC crowd to enjoy PC. It's not going to work to just build a new PC based on Kane's feedback and your feedback. Designs that exclude a lot of other corps aren't going to fly, and the experiences of people who were pushed out of PC or stopped playing PC are actually a lot more valuable than the current PC crowd in determining where the design for PC went wrong. jane stalin wrote: My apologies , can someone tell me where these proporsed changes to PC are being discussed? I can only see references to timers. There's multiple threads on proposed PC changes in the Feedback and Ideas board. Changes so that the entire community can enjoy? They can enjoy it now. They chose not to. Your right everyone should be included in discussing the changes. Including pc players. What pc players were consulted? Who? The changes being proposed is garbage. What your saying is the changes should accommodate the people currently not in pc...and anger the ones currently who are. That is horrible logic. Ares 514. People who play this game are the ones who this is for. Not you. People aren't necessarily choosing not to do PC. Do you want them to get a hundred players willing to grind for a month in free suits with 100% tax for enough ISK to launch a handful of attacks? Do you want them to look for hundred more players to do the same when the first tell them to go F themselves after getting redlined and individually losing millions of ISK? How many PC battles do you think it would take for a non-PC corp to even begin to figure out how the heck the enemy is in the city with 32 uplinks out and points hacked before their DS even hits the ground? There's a middle ground. We are currently on hardmode. Let's push for intermediate mode before we get stuck with easy mode. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
John ShepardIII Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 1146	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:57:00 - [23] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Roman837 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Ku Shala wrote: input from the PC community is important but the exclusiveness of pc is one of the problems with it. opinions from all sides are valuable at this point since pc mechanics will be entirely different from what they are now. This. Second response to the thread nailed it. Roman, we want a lot more than just the current PC crowd to enjoy PC. It's not going to work to just build a new PC based on Kane's feedback and your feedback. Designs that exclude a lot of other corps aren't going to fly, and the experiences of people who were pushed out of PC or stopped playing PC are actually a lot more valuable than the current PC crowd in determining where the design for PC went wrong. jane stalin wrote: My apologies , can someone tell me where these proporsed changes to PC are being discussed? I can only see references to timers. There's multiple threads on proposed PC changes in the Feedback and Ideas board. Changes so that the entire community can enjoy? They can enjoy it now. They chose not to. Your right everyone should be included in discussing the changes. Including pc players. What pc players were consulted? Who? The changes being proposed is garbage. What your saying is the changes should accommodate the people currently not in pc...and anger the ones currently who are. That is horrible logic. Ares 514. People who play this game are the ones who this is for. Not you. People aren't necessarily choosing not to do PC. Do you want them to get a hundred players willing to grind for a month in free suits with 100% tax for enough ISK to launch a handful of attacks? Do you want them to look for hundred more players to do the same when the first tell them to go F themselves after getting redlined and individually losing millions of ISK? How many PC battles do you think it would take for a non-PC corp to even begin to figure out how the heck the enemy is in the city with 32 uplinks out and points hacked before their DS even hits the ground? There's a middle ground. We are currently on hardmode. Let's push for intermediate mode before we get stuck with easy mode. Intermediate mode? So pub stomp everyone. Their are easy PC battles right now and only only a handful of fun ones. Any easier would be boring The True Shepard Old GAM was OP Hakyou Brutor supreme Overlord of Dust
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5784	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:01:00 - [24] - Quote It's perhaps boring for the 100 people that currently do PC. I'm guessing that CCP wants to have more people involved. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 802	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:02:00 - [25] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Roman837 wrote: Changes so that the entire community can enjoy? They can enjoy it now. They chose not to. And that right there is why I value their opinions more than yours. ;) You don't see the problem. Roman837 wrote: Your right everyone should be included in discussing the changes. I usually am. :) Roman837 wrote: Including pc players. What pc players were consulted? Who? Zatara? And remember all the nonsense SoTa was bringing up claiming Zatara was idaring to solicit feedback from other people on ideas? Roman837 wrote: The changes being proposed is garbage. What your saying is the changes should accommodate the people currently not in pc...and anger the ones currently who are. That is horrible logic. Change is always hard. Especially when you're getting a harsh nerf. I don't think post-changes it should be possible to have a giant PC empire anymore. I expect a lot of people who expect to have a large PC empire, and are used to managing things on that scale, to be upset with that. I certainly want the design to reward top end skill and ability, though hopefully not by allowing them to control the game board. CCP. If you are reading this. And you implement a change that is based off of this morons views and inputs. ...I can guarentee you will lose the remainder of your competitive players. When was the last time this person was in a PC? Please talk to us. Not them. That is what I am asking. Discuss it with the players it involves! We already have a chat formed. We had a very long meeting on it last night. We are all in agreement. And by we I mean the leaders of the corps currently in pc. Do not listen to people who are not involved to make big decisions. Zatara? Who is Zatara. I wasted my vote on him I think. Is he the cpm of destiny? Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 802	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:06:00 - [26] - Quote So....should ccp reset eve? Who cares how hard the players who currently play have worked to get that far....let's accommodate the other people. If people want in pc. They work for it. It's a game mode of competitiveness. Should the NFL allow in every team who can field players into their league? Make changes to accommodate the people not in it? Why even have pc then. Why grind and become known in this game. Why work hard. Form corps...alliances. why have game politics. Diplomats. Rediculous. If people want in pc. Earn their way in. If you 10 person corp wants a district. Form a bigger corp. Train them and fight your way in. Or join a larger corp and prove your good enough . Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5495	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:10:00 - [27] - Quote Roman837 wrote: When was the last time this person was in a PC? Please talk to us. Not them. That is what I am asking. Discuss it with the players it involves! Note the feedback threads where CCP is soliciting feedback form the players. But rather do that, you're persisting in fostering a drama llama in GD. Go participate in the feedback threads in a competent way, or stop crying about not being listened to. Don't give homes to drama llamas. Just don't. Roman837 wrote: We already have a chat formed. We had a very long meeting on it last night. We are all in agreement. And by we I mean the leaders of the corps currently in pc. Nobody cares about your chat channel. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5495	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:11:00 - [28] - Quote Roman837 wrote: So....should ccp reset eve? Who cares how hard the players who currently play have worked to get that far....let's accommodate the other people. If people want in pc. They work for it. It's a game mode of competitiveness. Should the NFL allow in every team who can field players into their league? Make changes to accommodate the people not in it? Why even have pc then. Why grind and become known in this game. Why work hard. Form corps...alliances. why have game politics. Diplomats. Rediculous. If people want in pc. Earn their way in. If you 10 person corp wants a district. Form a bigger corp. Train them and fight your way in. Or join a larger corp and prove your good enough . And in this post, you did prove your true goals. To remain atop your fictional castle, and keep the dirty peasants out. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Moorian Flav 303	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:16:00 - [29] - Quote Planetary Conquest is an extremely competitive and unforgiving multiplayer mode. That's why some like it and why most do not. If you totally change PC where most of those that currently play PC will no longer want to play PC, then that's a severe risk because you'll be betting on mostly new people to come in to replace them which may not happen at this point. Of course, even that point may be invalid at this point as a fraction of the current community that play PC already have plans to move onto other games. I don't troll; I tell the truth. I'm also known as "The ANTI-Propaganda Machine".
sir RAVEN WING MONSTER SYNERGY 2710	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:18:00 - [30] - Quote I'm not allowed into PC no matter what corp I join... Because I use ADV mods on a PRO suit with a PRO weapon. That and they are not in PC because all the big corps knock them out of it. I can't join those for PC because I have no mic and that is something everyone requires. Sigh Besides, I haven't been there much. Just studying facts on PC from starmap. "Fuck Your Proto" - Random words I'm not afraid of death, my corporation is.



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