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Roman837 wrote:

Oh wow. Just had a moment of clarity. CCP....If you want corps and players to become more involved in PC without them needing to risk isk..or getting removed...I have a perfect option!

Give each corp...a home base...a Perma district. A fake district. Don't put it in any of the real districts spots...Make it so your corp has to have a set amount of corp members to unlock your corps home world. Make this district have the ability to be set to. ...online or offline. Online. ..meaning it can launch an attack....and be attacked... but not flipped....and no offline....so that if they want a break from pc they don't get attacked.

Make these districts not part of current pc format. Almost like a corp battle separate mode. Allow them to choose and change their infrastructure for free. And let them launch clones against each other. ..Annnd news flash. ..yes allow them to launch an attack against MH...When they are ready to move into the real world.

This would solve so many issues. Would give corps a home world which is amazing. And will allow them to practice and test out pc without the huge isk commitment or risk of being removed. They can fight at their leisure
...and then come join us.

Roman just won dust

CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.


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Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5488	Posted - 2015.01.21 20:38:00 - [1] - Quote Ku Shala wrote: input from the PC community is important but the exclusiveness of pc is one of the problems with it. opinions from all sides are valuable at this point since pc mechanics will be entirely different from what they are now. This. Third response on the thread nailed it. Roman, we want a lot more than just the current PC crowd to enjoy PC. It's not going to work to just build a new PC based on Kane's feedback and your feedback. Designs that exclude a lot of other corps aren't going to fly, and the experiences of people who were pushed out of PC or stopped playing PC are actually a lot more valuable than the current PC crowd in determining where the design for PC went wrong. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5494	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:26:00 - [2] - Quote Thor, I'll take a partial agree. :) It's better than not agreeing. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5495	Posted - 2015.01.21 21:41:00 - [3] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Changes so that the entire community can enjoy? They can enjoy it now. They chose not to. And that right there is why I value their opinions more than yours. ;) You don't see the problem. Roman837 wrote: Your right everyone should be included in discussing the changes. I usually am. :) Roman837 wrote: Including pc players. What pc players were consulted? Who? Zatara? And remember all the nonsense SoTa was bringing up claiming Zatara was idaring to solicit feedback from other people on ideas? Roman837 wrote: The changes being proposed is garbage. What your saying is the changes should accommodate the people currently not in pc...and anger the ones currently who are. That is horrible logic. Change is always hard. Especially when you're getting a harsh nerf. I don't think post-changes it should be possible to have a giant PC empire anymore. I expect a lot of people who expect to have a large PC empire, and are used to managing things on that scale, to be upset with that. I certainly want the design to reward top end skill and ability, though hopefully not by allowing them to control the game board. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5495	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:10:00 - [4] - Quote Roman837 wrote: When was the last time this person was in a PC? Please talk to us. Not them. That is what I am asking. Discuss it with the players it involves! Note the feedback threads where CCP is soliciting feedback form the players. But rather do that, you're persisting in fostering a drama llama in GD. Go participate in the feedback threads in a competent way, or stop crying about not being listened to. Don't give homes to drama llamas. Just don't. Roman837 wrote: We already have a chat formed. We had a very long meeting on it last night. We are all in agreement. And by we I mean the leaders of the corps currently in pc. Nobody cares about your chat channel. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5495	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:11:00 - [5] - Quote Roman837 wrote: So....should ccp reset eve? Who cares how hard the players who currently play have worked to get that far....let's accommodate the other people. If people want in pc. They work for it. It's a game mode of competitiveness. Should the NFL allow in every team who can field players into their league? Make changes to accommodate the people not in it? Why even have pc then. Why grind and become known in this game. Why work hard. Form corps...alliances. why have game politics. Diplomats. Rediculous. If people want in pc. Earn their way in. If you 10 person corp wants a district. Form a bigger corp. Train them and fight your way in. Or join a larger corp and prove your good enough . And in this post, you did prove your true goals. To remain atop your fictional castle, and keep the dirty peasants out. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5495	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:21:00 - [6] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: Planetary Conquest is an extremely competitive and unforgiving multiplayer mode. That's why some like it and why most do not. If you totally change PC where most of those that currently play PC will no longer want to play PC, then that's a severe risk because you'll be betting on mostly new people to come in to replace them which may not happen at this point. Of course, even that point may be invalid at this point as a fraction of the current community that play PC already have plans to move onto other games. If they're so competitive, they should be dying to prove how much they can accomplish under a new set of rules as well. PC is unforgiving. So PC players need to put on their big boy pants and stop crying about it. I fully want to ensure PC is still rewarding at the top end. But people expecting to own 20% of MH should probably reset their expectations, because we want more than five groups to fit in Molden Heath. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5495	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:25:00 - [7] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: I think the feedback from those who have actually spent time in PC should carry more weight than those who have barely participated in PC. After all, you need to squad and actually use teamwork and corp management to survive in PC; something most players and corps do not know much about. Absolutely nothing is stopping Roman from participating in the feedback threads. Nothing. Well, except for the fact that Rattati expects arguments based on logic and not QQ. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5495	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:29:00 - [8] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Has CCP put out their changes yet? Resetting timers doesn't seem like a big deal. It doesn't seem like a big deal if all the districts get reset either. Removing timers altogether would be epically stupid, but I haven't seen CCP actually say they are even considering this. The timers thread in the Feedback board discusses options Rattati has heard suggested and may be considering. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5495	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:35:00 - [9] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Has CCP put out their changes yet? Resetting timers doesn't seem like a big deal. It doesn't seem like a big deal if all the districts get reset either. Removing timers altogether would be epically stupid, but I haven't seen CCP actually say they are even considering this. The timers thread in the Feedback board discusses options Rattati has heard suggested and may be considering. But there aren't any real mechanics discussed there. Just a method of setting timers. That doesn't change much of anything. If that's all that changed there wouldn't be any change in participation levels. Well, that's just one of several parts. Changing timer behavior removes exploits used to protect giant empires and prevent people from fighting back. Note there's another thread on rewards/payout for PC, and one for minimum participation thresholds to prevent one-man alt corps. Then it's already been stated that corp war barges will create clone packs for free, which corps can use to get cheap practice or attacks in. These sorts of changes to the base system are probably required before we can go further. Though the raiding concept without the 24 hour timer I think is probably a huge concept to push for, and I like ideas proposed about war barges having a location on the map, and range and location mattering. But all of that can't be built on a broken platform, which is why I am supporting things like locking down the timers to prevent abusive play. First remove the features that don't work, then introduce new features that do. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5495	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:00:00 - [10] - Quote Thor, stacking timers at best just makes the next 16 relevant, or the next 16 relevant. Stacking timers is not a useful methodology for good gameplay. It still means you will always be grabbing the best possible available people at the time. It's still very exclusionary. Mass attacks are a casualty of the existing bad game design. We need a game design that doesn't need mass attacking to make progress. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5497	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:14:00 - [11] - Quote Roman837 wrote: This game will die if you take away our competitiveness. Or...it may aswell die as we PC players are the ones most active and funding this game. We are keeping our players logging on. We are doing it. The CEOS of the active pc corps. Not the cpm. We provide our guys content...which keeps then logging on. News flash we create fake wars and drama...just so our guys keep playing and are interested. We are holding on by mere threads. This idiot arguing with me is the scissors that's about to cut that thread. How fun will pc be when we are all gone. Literally. All of us. Nobody's "taking away your competitiveness". If you're as good as you say, you'll thrive in the new system. And again, nobody but yourself is excluding your feedback, because you're still making drama in GD instead of posting in the feedback thread. Thor Odinson42 wrote: But 24 hour notice makes the organized mass attack possible. It's the only alternative if you don't have 16 better than their 16, hence the stagnation of PC. And that is something that we need to fix. Ensuring that there are other ways to wear down a team, and combat options that don't require 24 hour notice (raiding). Trying to keep a bad system like changing timers just for mass attacks is a bad idea. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5499	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:21:00 - [12] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Best advice to get people into pc. Practice. Train. Become the best you can be. Apply to a corp involved in pc...or form one yourself and recruit. It it should not be easy to get into pc. You have to earn your way. If we just allow everyone in...well what's the point. If nobody got it yet, Roman's interested in retaining the status quo. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5509	Posted - 2015.01.22 01:01:00 - [13] - Quote Roman837 wrote: So you want to force your pc players to be online every single day waiting to be attacked? I'd rather know the attacks in 24 hours...that way I know and my players know that the next night is fight night yiu can make plans...In RL. .and in game to accommodate. Or...that one night yiu don't log on..your team folds Hey look, I found something we agree on. I feel 24 hour notice is pretty critical to PC being truly competitive, and not just a "stuff disappears if you have real life come up". el OPERATOR wrote: How about, stop me if you've heard this before, Expanding the boundaries of what we know as PC? Open our PC starmap to areas outside of Molden Heath, add couple hundred new systems and planets. Plenty of room for new folks to move in and discover the neighborhood. Pointless. Just gives the empires more space to squat on, and doesn't actually help new players at all. SoTa PoP wrote: Region lock is a terrible ***** idea. Stop using inaccurate terms Kane made up when he gave you the speech on what to tell me on the forums. ;) bolsh lee wrote: Soraya Xel - I'd really like you to walk into Null Sec and tell all the EVE Corps who have been holding and bottlenecking SOV Space for years. That they can no longer hold as much as they hold and that they are "Sitting on top of their fictional castle" and that they need to let some of the Highsec miners in for the fun.. EVE's mechanics sorta work. And anyways, have you seen how much CCP has made nullseccers angry with jump drive changes recently? Sticky Nuts RND wrote:** CCP how do you propose new players can afford to play PC and what is the incentive to do so if they have no isk? Why not bring passive ISK back to PC so new corps can actually afford or want to afford it? Passive ISK only benefits current landholders. Not newbies. AbsolutelyLOLOLOLOLOLnot. But nice try. ;) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5529	Posted - 2015.01.22 15:01:00 - [14] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Oh wow. Just had a moment of clarity. CCP....If you want corps and players to become more involved in PC without them needing to risk isk..or getting removed...I have a perfect option! Give each corp...a home base...a Perma district. A fake district. Don't put it in any of the real districts spots...Make it so your corp has to have a set amount of corp members to unlock your corps home world. Make this district have the ability to be set to. ...online or offline. Online. ..meaning it can launch an attack....and be attacked... but not flipped....and no offline....so that if they want a break from pc they don't get attacked. Make these districts not part of current pc format. Almost like a corp battle separate mode. Allow them to choose and change their infrastructure for free. And let them launch clones against each other. ..Annnd news flash. ..yes allow them to launch an attack against MH...When they are ready to move into the real world. This would solve so many issues. Would give corps a home world which is amazing. And will allow them to practice and test out pc without the huge isk commitment or risk of being removed. They can fight at their leisure ...and then come join us. Roman just won dust It's like in your moment of clarify... you kinda sorta maybe figured out what CCP was already doing. The whole corporate warbarge thing is like your corp's headquarters, which generates clone packs you can launch attacks from... You didn't really win DUST. In fact, you're kinda late to the party. :/ CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5529	Posted - 2015.01.22 15:28:00 - [15] - Quote Roman837 wrote: I hope you didn't plan on running for cpm again next year. I'll make it my dust goal to either ensure you don't get reelected...or that I do just so I can shut you up on comms when you make stupid decisions. I will call my platform. The United Corps Against Stupid Decisions. I've been very public about my intentions in this regard. Provided at least one other CPM1 is running, I won't run for CPM2. I have a lot of responsibilities I've been neglecting IRL to be a CPM, and I should be get back to life. And maybe find a girlfriend or something. However, I do feel continuity between CPMs is very important, and I will stick around if nobody else does. Roman837 wrote: Also. ..late to the party? I'm the one always hosting the dam party. Or being invited to others. Your the loser who sits at home and creeps our pics and posts on Facebook and is Sooo upset you call in noise complaints to ruin our fun because you're not apart of it Actually, I go to a party twice a year with the Goons. It actually gets livestreamed in Twitch and people watch it. I feel really sorry for those people. Roman837 wrote: You got us old master poster Cpm. You have proven that if we don't always read the forums and make stupid posts....that our voices won't be heard. You got us! We post in the war room. Where pc players belong. Look what happens when we do post? You try to **** on us. This change is directed at PC correct? Well shouldn't you be voicing the opinions of PC players? The role of a voted in member is not to push their own agenda and hope the masses back them. It's to voice the members wishes...and represent them. Even if you don't agree. Your a voice. A tool. We the pc players make up a huge majority of active players. And I am among the most active of that group. I am voicing the opinions and thoughts of our players. Collectively. ..I bet they think you're an idiot for pushing your own a agenda on a topic you don't even participate in. Please stick to your area of expertise. Getting crushed in pubs. PC players aren't everyone, and the goal is to expand PC. Not keep it contained in Roman's boat. The War Room is a great place for the PC community to interact, but you have to go to Feedback if you want to affect game development. I've only recommended like eighty times now that you go in the feedback board and review the proposed changes in those threads and respond there. As Rattati reads every post in those threads. I am not sure what you think you have to complain about with not being listened to, because you're being told exactly where you can go speak and be heard. And my actual job is not just to mimic what everyone on the forums tells me to to CCP. We're supposed to collate data, gather opinions, filter out bad data, and generate recommendations. Our job naturally entails determining when someone's feedback is really really biased and taking that into account. The fact you think PC players make up a "huge majority" of active players is distinctly hilarious. I might hang that quote up on my wall. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5533	Posted - 2015.01.22 20:45:00 - [16] - Quote Roman837 wrote: This is not crying This thread is actually the greatest example of Internet crying I have ever seen. And I have seen a lot of Internet crying. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5533	Posted - 2015.01.22 21:09:00 - [17] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Roman837 wrote: This is not crying This thread is actually the greatest example of Internet crying I have ever seen. And I have seen a lot of Internet crying. So with these changes...are you going to enter pc? What happens....When. .If you do enter....we adapt...team up. ..and just wipe you out. I am very hopeful the new PC system will be a lot more interesting and engaging, and I will find it worthwhile enough to participate in. Should you choose to come after me, I suppose that's a thing people do in Planetary Conquest, so more power to you. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5533	Posted - 2015.01.22 21:17:00 - [18] - Quote Roman837 wrote: and yes. If you wreck our game. I will be waiting for you to get a district. Glad to hear you'll be playing the new version of Planetary Conquest! :D /troll CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5535	Posted - 2015.01.22 21:31:00 - [19] - Quote Freccia di Lybra wrote: Roman837 wrote: Attack us. Do you even know who you're talking to? Look, I seriously would regroup all my former corporation just to stop your wanton elitism, if I could. I want to buy tickets to this. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5582	Posted - 2015.01.23 08:22:00 - [20] - Quote Arcadiia Kain wrote: And there you have it. The real reason for all this QQ. Selfishness. Roman would have it all an no one to contest his claim. This isn't about what is good for PC ir the overall DUST community, this is about what is good for Roman and Murphy's Law. **** the rest of us. Lock the thread on this fool. I figured this out like five pages ago. Which is why now if I'm going to respond to Roman, it's just for self-amusement. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.