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Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 803	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:18:00 - [31] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Roman837 wrote: When was the last time this person was in a PC? Please talk to us. Not them. That is what I am asking. Discuss it with the players it involves! Note the feedback threads where CCP is soliciting feedback form the players. But rather do that, you're persisting in fostering a drama llama in GD. Go participate in the feedback threads in a competent way, or stop crying about not being listened to. Don't give homes to drama llamas. Just don't. Roman837 wrote: We already have a chat formed. We had a very long meeting on it last night. We are all in agreement. And by we I mean the leaders of the corps currently in pc. Nobody cares about your chat channel. No body cares about our chat channel? So the 40 CEOs and big names in pc don't matter? You're on glue. What will ccp do when we boycott pc? Or we all say **** it. We're out. We are the ones playing this game as it's intended. Full out Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5495	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:21:00 - [32] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: Planetary Conquest is an extremely competitive and unforgiving multiplayer mode. That's why some like it and why most do not. If you totally change PC where most of those that currently play PC will no longer want to play PC, then that's a severe risk because you'll be betting on mostly new people to come in to replace them which may not happen at this point. Of course, even that point may be invalid at this point as a fraction of the current community that play PC already have plans to move onto other games. If they're so competitive, they should be dying to prove how much they can accomplish under a new set of rules as well. PC is unforgiving. So PC players need to put on their big boy pants and stop crying about it. I fully want to ensure PC is still rewarding at the top end. But people expecting to own 20% of MH should probably reset their expectations, because we want more than five groups to fit in Molden Heath. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Moorian Flav 303	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:22:00 - [33] - Quote Quote: If they're so competitive, they should be dying to prove how much they can accomplish under a new set of rules as well. PC is unforgiving. So PC players need to put on their big boy pants and stop crying about it. I fully want to ensure PC is still rewarding at the top end. But people expecting to own 20% of MH should probably reset their expectations, because we want more than five groups to fit in Molden Heath. I think the feedback from those who have actually spent time in PC should carry more weight than those who have barely participated in PC. After all, you need to squad and actually use teamwork and corp management to survive in PC; something most players and corps do not know much about. I don't troll; I tell the truth. I'm also known as "The ANTI-Propaganda Machine".
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5495	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:25:00 - [34] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: I think the feedback from those who have actually spent time in PC should carry more weight than those who have barely participated in PC. After all, you need to squad and actually use teamwork and corp management to survive in PC; something most players and corps do not know much about. Absolutely nothing is stopping Roman from participating in the feedback threads. Nothing. Well, except for the fact that Rattati expects arguments based on logic and not QQ. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 806	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:26:00 - [35] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: I'm not allowed into PC no matter what corp I join... Because I use ADV mods on a PRO suit with a PRO weapon. That and they are not in PC because all the big corps knock them out of it. I can't join those for PC because I have no mic and that is something everyone requires. Sigh Besides, I haven't been there much. Just studying facts on PC from starmap. What sport do you follow so I can use the proper analogy go explain this to you. **** it. I'll explain it using many. Should everyone who can throw a foot ball be in the NFL? Join a Better Corp and increase your teams skills using factional warfare. And then play against other equal skilled corps when you join pc. We have a last district rule and give away dozens of districts. You need not fear bigger corps. If one picks on you. ..we sort then out as a community. You openly admit to not wearing full proto in pc. So...In hockey...that's be like allowing your goalie to play without using his stick or catcher glove. Your effectively down a player. You chose not to use a mic? Or don't have one. This game is about communication and adapting based on that communication. If I say...hey who is that on Charlie. ..and its you....how can I know in planetary conquest when your letter is being pushed and by who. If it's a tank I'll send a. If it's an amarr scout it won't send Jade. We need to know where yiu are and what you see. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5785	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:27:00 - [36] - Quote Has CCP put out their changes yet? Resetting timers doesn't seem like a big deal. It doesn't seem like a big deal if all the districts get pulled. Removing timers altogether would be epically stupid, but I haven't seen CCP actually say they are even considering this. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Sir Snugglz Red Star. 1150	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:28:00 - [37] - Quote I have the solution! Remove PC, bring back corp battles. No PC = No PC problems = happiness -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5495	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:29:00 - [38] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Has CCP put out their changes yet? Resetting timers doesn't seem like a big deal. It doesn't seem like a big deal if all the districts get reset either. Removing timers altogether would be epically stupid, but I haven't seen CCP actually say they are even considering this. The timers thread in the Feedback board discusses options Rattati has heard suggested and may be considering. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5785	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:29:00 - [39] - Quote Roman837 wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: I'm not allowed into PC no matter what corp I join... Because I use ADV mods on a PRO suit with a PRO weapon. That and they are not in PC because all the big corps knock them out of it. I can't join those for PC because I have no mic and that is something everyone requires. Sigh Besides, I haven't been there much. Just studying facts on PC from starmap. What sport do you follow so I can use the proper analogy go explain this to you. **** it. I'll explain it using many. Should everyone who can throw a foot ball be in the NFL? Join a Better Corp and increase your teams skills using factional warfare. And then play against other equal skilled corps when you join pc. We have a last district rule and give away dozens of districts. You need not fear bigger corps. If one picks on you. ..we sort then out as a community. You openly admit to not wearing full proto in pc. So...In hockey...that's be like allowing your goalie to play without using his stick or catcher glove. Your effectively down a player. You chose not to use a mic? Or don't have one. This game is about communication and adapting based on that communication. If I say...hey who is that on Charlie. ..and its you....how can I know in planetary conquest when your letter is being pushed and by who. If it's a tank I'll send a. If it's an amarr scout it won't send Jade. We need to know where yiu are and what you see. What if the NFL had a beta and the only time any players were able to play as a team prior to launch was in beta? Then even after the NFL was launched the only way to actually prepare for it was to play an NFL team. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5785	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:31:00 - [40] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Has CCP put out their changes yet? Resetting timers doesn't seem like a big deal. It doesn't seem like a big deal if all the districts get reset either. Removing timers altogether would be epically stupid, but I haven't seen CCP actually say they are even considering this. The timers thread in the Feedback board discusses options Rattati has heard suggested and may be considering. But there aren't any real mechanics discussed there. Just a method of setting timers. That doesn't change much of anything. If that's all that changed there wouldn't be any change in participation levels. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.

Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 806	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:33:00 - [41] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Moorian Flav wrote: I think the feedback from those who have actually spent time in PC should carry more weight than those who have barely participated in PC. After all, you need to squad and actually use teamwork and corp management to survive in PC; something most players and corps do not know much about. Absolutely nothing is stopping Roman from participating in the feedback threads. Nothing. Well, except for the fact that Rattati expects arguments based on logic and not QQ. and absolutely nothing is stopping you or your corp from being in planetary conquest. Other then the fact that your junk. And this is your way of QQing. Ruining it for us that have worked so hard to get where we're at. CCP. PLEASE RESPOND AND JOIN OUR CHAT. we are sorry we don't post all the time in feedback. We're to busy playing your game. We do how ever...have lots of feedback. Just you chose to listen to idiots like this cpm who talks out his ass Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Moorian Flav 304	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:34:00 - [42] - Quote Quote: Absolutely nothing is stopping Roman from participating in the feedback threads. Nothing. Last night during a PC match, a fellow player said he tried adding feedback to one of the PC feedback posts but he felt there was just too many garbage posts (idle chatter or way of base) to sift through. Besides, great posts are often ignored and/or lost in garbage posts. Also, there are a few in the community that post, post again, and reply to themselves that are burying posts from those that don't have all day to spend on the forums. I don't troll; I tell the truth. I'm also known as "The ANTI-Propaganda Machine".
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5495	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:35:00 - [43] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Has CCP put out their changes yet? Resetting timers doesn't seem like a big deal. It doesn't seem like a big deal if all the districts get reset either. Removing timers altogether would be epically stupid, but I haven't seen CCP actually say they are even considering this. The timers thread in the Feedback board discusses options Rattati has heard suggested and may be considering. But there aren't any real mechanics discussed there. Just a method of setting timers. That doesn't change much of anything. If that's all that changed there wouldn't be any change in participation levels. Well, that's just one of several parts. Changing timer behavior removes exploits used to protect giant empires and prevent people from fighting back. Note there's another thread on rewards/payout for PC, and one for minimum participation thresholds to prevent one-man alt corps. Then it's already been stated that corp war barges will create clone packs for free, which corps can use to get cheap practice or attacks in. These sorts of changes to the base system are probably required before we can go further. Though the raiding concept without the 24 hour timer I think is probably a huge concept to push for, and I like ideas proposed about war barges having a location on the map, and range and location mattering. But all of that can't be built on a broken platform, which is why I am supporting things like locking down the timers to prevent abusive play. First remove the features that don't work, then introduce new features that do. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3741	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:36:00 - [44] - Quote All feedback is welcome, as long as is reasonable, there is no need to lock an already "locked" game mode. Idk your opinion on what PC should be, but having the largest feedback possible is always better for the game, CCP can decide if a feedback is valuable or not and i'm sure that they know who is more active and who is less. No need to trash some good ideas only because they come from less experienced mercs. Situational awareness also known as passive scan. Minmatar omni-merc
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 275	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:46:00 - [45] - Quote Given the current mechanics are why some people don't play PC, their input in what would make it interesting/accessible would seem valid (and what Rattati is after)
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5785	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:48:00 - [46] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Has CCP put out their changes yet? Resetting timers doesn't seem like a big deal. It doesn't seem like a big deal if all the districts get reset either. Removing timers altogether would be epically stupid, but I haven't seen CCP actually say they are even considering this. The timers thread in the Feedback board discusses options Rattati has heard suggested and may be considering. But there aren't any real mechanics discussed there. Just a method of setting timers. That doesn't change much of anything. If that's all that changed there wouldn't be any change in participation levels. Well, that's just one of several parts. Changing timer behavior removes exploits used to protect giant empires and prevent people from fighting back. Note there's another thread on rewards/payout for PC, and one for minimum participation thresholds to prevent one-man alt corps. Then it's already been stated that corp war barges will create clone packs for free, which corps can use to get cheap practice or attacks in. These sorts of changes to the base system are probably required before we can go further. Though the raiding concept without the 24 hour timer I think is probably a huge concept to push for, and I like ideas proposed about war barges having a location on the map, and range and location mattering. But all of that can't be built on a broken platform, which is why I am supporting things like locking down the timers to prevent abusive play. First remove the features that don't work, then introduce new features that do. That part of the timer mechanic isn't what allows SMALL empires to crush out the competition. Giant empires aren't a thing. When the big boys come to play there isn't anything large about it. Even at it's height TSO's had maybe 6 or 7 teams. Most people in the alliance aren't interested, and it's not different anywhere else. If OH, TP, FA, and AE got back in the swing of things at full power there's less than a 100 people there that could wipe out everything on the map. And nobody could do anything about it not because of a timer or an exploit. They just simply can't beat them. Stacking timers is the only hope someone has to try and get down to the lesser teams. In this situation there are plenty of corps that are willing to help them in their evil plans so they provide assistance thinking it will bring them some favor at a later date. (this paragraph is to provide context, please don't be offended if your corp can beat any of those listed) It's the notice that gives them all the power. Giving people the ability and the incentive to use the best 16 ISK can buy to do their bidding. The notice gives people this ability. If you go the other direction and remove them all together then it'll be hoards of dudes that beg for ISK in local chat left to fight in PC because all the vets will be gone. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15166	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:53:00 - [47] - Quote shaman oga wrote: No need to trash some good ideas only because they come from less experienced mercs. Thing is, they're not trashing good ideas. I read the PC feedback stickies top to bottom and there was at most one good idea, while others either made me cringe at how awful it was or simply made things even worse than they already are. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5495	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:00:00 - [48] - Quote Thor, stacking timers at best just makes the next 16 relevant, or the next 16 relevant. Stacking timers is not a useful methodology for good gameplay. It still means you will always be grabbing the best possible available people at the time. It's still very exclusionary. Mass attacks are a casualty of the existing bad game design. We need a game design that doesn't need mass attacking to make progress. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5786	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:03:00 - [49] - Quote Atiim wrote: shaman oga wrote: No need to trash some good ideas only because they come from less experienced mercs. Thing is, they're not trashing good ideas. I read the PC feedback stickies top to bottom and there was at most one good idea, while others either made me cringe at how awful it was or simply made things even worse than they already are. A lot of PC people that comment on my posts think mine lean too much toward the casual player, but I've yet to talk to anyone on comms that didn't end up seeing where I was coming from. The problem with PC players is that after they win 5 matches in a row they think they are 10 feet tall. They think nothing is wrong with the mechanics and everyone should do what they did. I've seen very few posts from PC corps that brings any suggestions of how to make PC more accessible. That's what CCP wants and that is understandable. The bar is going to be lower, that much we can count on. I think it's too late though. The PC crowd far too many times blamed the resolve of the playerbase instead of the crappy mechanics. It's like being really, really good at a game that nobody wants to play. It might not be because you are so great, it might just be a broken game. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 807	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:03:00 - [50] - Quote This game will die if you take away our competitiveness. Or...it may aswell die as we PC players are the ones most active and funding this game. We are keeping our players logging on. We are doing it. The CEOS of the active pc corps. Not the cpm. We provide our guys content...which keeps then logging on. News flash we create fake wars and drama...just so our guys keep playing and are interested. We are holding on by mere threads. This idiot arguing with me is the scissors that's about to cut that thread. How fun will pc be when we are all gone. Literally. All of us. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5786	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:05:00 - [51] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Thor, stacking timers at best just makes the next 16 relevant, or the next 16 relevant. Stacking timers is not a useful methodology for good gameplay. It still means you will always be grabbing the best possible available people at the time. It's still very exclusionary. Mass attacks are a casualty of the existing bad game design. We need a game design that doesn't need mass attacking to make progress. But 24 hour notice makes the organized mass attack possible. It's the only alternative if you don't have 16 better than their 16, hence the stagnation of PC. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 807	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:06:00 - [52] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Thor, stacking timers at best just makes the next 16 relevant, or the next 16 relevant. Stacking timers is not a useful methodology for good gameplay. It still means you will always be grabbing the best possible available people at the time. It's still very exclusionary. Mass attacks are a casualty of the existing bad game design. We need a game design that doesn't need mass attacking to make progress. What? What! So...eliminate the need for alliances just because your a horrible diplomat and are butt hurt your corp never amounted to anything? The fear of being mass attacked and the ability to organize one makes this game exciting. I have been on the offense and defence. Won and lost. Wiped people out and have been wiped out. Remove that element and we may aswell pub stomp. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5788	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:10:00 - [53] - Quote Roman837 wrote: This game will die if you take away our competitiveness. Or...it may aswell die as we PC players are the ones most active and funding this game. We are keeping our players logging on. We are doing it. The CEOS of the active pc corps. Not the cpm. We provide our guys content...which keeps then logging on. News flash we create fake wars and drama...just so our guys keep playing and are interested. We are holding on by mere threads. This idiot arguing with me is the scissors that's about to cut that thread. How fun will pc be when we are all gone. Literally. All of us. Roman, you don't have to take away the competitiveness of PC to open the game up to more people. They dropped the ball in not giving players a way to team deploy outside of PC. From the start the gamemode was heavily rigged in the favor of beta players with all the experience. By that time most of the talent had pooled. Then even more so as corps failed and the talent kept getting more condensed. Then you had a ton of people quit altogether. Now we are here with a tiny, tiny portion of the player base with all this talent, SP, ISK, and experience. It's in CCP's best interest for more players to get a taste of that. They have to do something to make it accessible to them. I STILL don't see anybody heavily involved in PC offering up suggestions to grow the level of participation in PC. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5788	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:13:00 - [54] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Thor, stacking timers at best just makes the next 16 relevant, or the next 16 relevant. Stacking timers is not a useful methodology for good gameplay. It still means you will always be grabbing the best possible available people at the time. It's still very exclusionary. Mass attacks are a casualty of the existing bad game design. We need a game design that doesn't need mass attacking to make progress. What? What! So...eliminate the need for alliances just because your a horrible diplomat and are butt hurt your corp never amounted to anything? The fear of being mass attacked and the ability to organize one makes this game exciting. I have been on the offense and defence. Won and lost. Wiped people out and have been wiped out. Remove that element and we may aswell pub stomp. They aren't doing anything that would remove that ability to mass attack and give people time to get the best 16 online for each of the battles. That's what I don't get about the suggestions for the timers. Even if it's randomized, the people that have all the districts now will have all the districts then. You'll just pick 4 of the timers that are together and stack those. It changes nothing. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5497	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:14:00 - [55] - Quote Roman837 wrote: This game will die if you take away our competitiveness. Or...it may aswell die as we PC players are the ones most active and funding this game. We are keeping our players logging on. We are doing it. The CEOS of the active pc corps. Not the cpm. We provide our guys content...which keeps then logging on. News flash we create fake wars and drama...just so our guys keep playing and are interested. We are holding on by mere threads. This idiot arguing with me is the scissors that's about to cut that thread. How fun will pc be when we are all gone. Literally. All of us. Nobody's "taking away your competitiveness". If you're as good as you say, you'll thrive in the new system. And again, nobody but yourself is excluding your feedback, because you're still making drama in GD instead of posting in the feedback thread. Thor Odinson42 wrote: But 24 hour notice makes the organized mass attack possible. It's the only alternative if you don't have 16 better than their 16, hence the stagnation of PC. And that is something that we need to fix. Ensuring that there are other ways to wear down a team, and combat options that don't require 24 hour notice (raiding). Trying to keep a bad system like changing timers just for mass attacks is a bad idea. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 807	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:17:00 - [56] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Roman837 wrote: This game will die if you take away our competitiveness. Or...it may aswell die as we PC players are the ones most active and funding this game. We are keeping our players logging on. We are doing it. The CEOS of the active pc corps. Not the cpm. We provide our guys content...which keeps then logging on. News flash we create fake wars and drama...just so our guys keep playing and are interested. We are holding on by mere threads. This idiot arguing with me is the scissors that's about to cut that thread. How fun will pc be when we are all gone. Literally. All of us. Roman, you don't have to take away the competitiveness of PC to open the game up to more people. They dropped the ball in not giving players a way to team deploy outside of PC. From the start the gamemode was heavily rigged in the favor of beta players with all the experience. By that time most of the talent had pooled. Then even more so as corps failed and the talent kept getting more condensed. Then you had a ton of people quit altogether. Now we are here with a tiny, tiny portion of the player base with all this talent, SP, ISK, and experience. It's in CCP's best interest for more players to get a taste of that. They have to do something to make it accessible to them. I STILL don't see anybody heavily involved in PC offering up suggestions to grow the level of participation in PC. Best advice to get people into pc. Practice. Train. Become the best you can be. Apply to a corp involved in pc...or form one yourself and recruit. It it should not be easy to get into pc. You have to earn your way. If we just allow everyone in...well what's the point. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 3181	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:21:00 - [57] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Ku Shala wrote: input from the PC community is important but the exclusiveness of pc is one of the problems with it. opinions from all sides are valuable at this point since pc mechanics will be entirely different from what they are now. This. Second response to the thread nailed it. Roman, we want a lot more than just the current PC crowd to enjoy PC. It's not going to work to just build a new PC based on Kane's feedback and your feedback. Designs that exclude a lot of other corps aren't going to fly, and the experiences of people who were pushed out of PC or stopped playing PC are actually a lot more valuable than the current PC crowd in determining where the design for PC went wrong. jane stalin wrote: My apologies , can someone tell me where these proporsed changes to PC are being discussed? I can only see references to timers. There's multiple threads on proposed PC changes in the Feedback and Ideas board. Yes because PC was launched based on information given from the competitive DUST community before? Not.... The average vet PC player isn't looking for exclusivity... That is what most of us have spent large amount of time posting and trying to make a similar point accross to CPM and CCP. We even have tried to Invite CCP officials into PC matches and run strategies and tactics in matches with them for a few weeks so they can get an objective look at what we have been stuck with for years. We even spent the time to form an alliance and take over Molden Heath before fanfest to push CCP to fix a mechanic that would allow a small group of players to completely dominate... PC players WANT the competitive game mode in DUST to be pushed... We want players to have aspirations to play and compete in an organized and coordinated team environment. We want players that understand the basics of the game BEFORE they are put in general population... So we then can recruit and train them... Without having to spend hours just trying to explain how the game works PER player. We have spent hundreds of Post's pleading with CPM and CCP alike to push a competitive game mode that aspires mercenaries to improve and play beyond a simple pub. What we have got is outside competitive player circle opinions on how PC should work and be changed the entire life of DUST... Competitive players want competition.... Just to make sure you guys know.... The ones who aren't competitive just want an easy win.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5499	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:21:00 - [58] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Best advice to get people into pc. Practice. Train. Become the best you can be. Apply to a corp involved in pc...or form one yourself and recruit. It it should not be easy to get into pc. You have to earn your way. If we just allow everyone in...well what's the point. If nobody got it yet, Roman's interested in retaining the status quo. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 808	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:23:00 - [59] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Roman837 wrote: This game will die if you take away our competitiveness. Or...it may aswell die as we PC players are the ones most active and funding this game. We are keeping our players logging on. We are doing it. The CEOS of the active pc corps. Not the cpm. We provide our guys content...which keeps then logging on. News flash we create fake wars and drama...just so our guys keep playing and are interested. We are holding on by mere threads. This idiot arguing with me is the scissors that's about to cut that thread. How fun will pc be when we are all gone. Literally. All of us. Nobody's "taking away your competitiveness". If you're as good as you say, you'll thrive in the new system. And again, nobody but yourself is excluding your feedback, because you're still making drama in GD instead of posting in the feedback thread. Thor Odinson42 wrote: But 24 hour notice makes the organized mass attack possible. It's the only alternative if you don't have 16 better than their 16, hence the stagnation of PC. And that is something that we need to fix. Ensuring that there are other ways to wear down a team, and combat options that don't require 24 hour notice (raiding). Trying to keep a bad system like changing timers just for mass attacks is a bad idea. So I'm posting on the wrong thread. My bad. I play this game. I really enjoy it. I don't read any of the changes. I usually just adapt. And I'm dam good at adapting. But when my players send me mails. And they say "yo go read what that bafoon is typing on the forums. Those changes are gonna hurt us" dam right I go look. I post in the war room. That is where war fighting happens. That is where posts about planetary conquest happen. I don't care about weapon and suit stats. Give us all lil fluffy feathers that do tickle damage. I'm fine with it. I'll organize a team and out tickle the opponents. But try to limit how we play...and take away our corps power to set our own timers.... well now your messing with our game. I am a PC player. Not a stat and game mechanics on forums follower. You are not a pc player. I won't comment on stats....you shouldn't comment on pc. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5789	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:24:00 - [60] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Roman837 wrote: This game will die if you take away our competitiveness. Or...it may aswell die as we PC players are the ones most active and funding this game. We are keeping our players logging on. We are doing it. The CEOS of the active pc corps. Not the cpm. We provide our guys content...which keeps then logging on. News flash we create fake wars and drama...just so our guys keep playing and are interested. We are holding on by mere threads. This idiot arguing with me is the scissors that's about to cut that thread. How fun will pc be when we are all gone. Literally. All of us. Nobody's "taking away your competitiveness". If you're as good as you say, you'll thrive in the new system. And again, nobody but yourself is excluding your feedback, because you're still making drama in GD instead of posting in the feedback thread. Thor Odinson42 wrote: But 24 hour notice makes the organized mass attack possible. It's the only alternative if you don't have 16 better than their 16, hence the stagnation of PC. And that is something that we need to fix. Ensuring that there are other ways to wear down a team, and combat options that don't require 24 hour notice (raiding). Trying to keep a bad system like changing timers just for mass attacks is a bad idea. The only way the raiding system works is if NOT maintaining those districts (no showing) leads to real attacks being possible right away. If this is possible then a Faction Warfare Army could have 200 people online raiding the crap out people's districts and probably get some land out of it. They wouldn't be able to hold it very long, but it would provide an avenue for players to get a taste of PC. I think new corps would spawn from these initial "zerg fest" corps that would want more. I still think that regular attacks should happen right then and there. 30 minute notice. But the window timers are set to your prime time. Your guys that want to get on the PC team are defending against raids and proving themselves. Your PC team is in the PC chat getting ready to attack and BAM someone attacks them. One of the squad leaders is dropping from the A team to FC the B team to attack while the A team defends. It's all the same, you are in your chats doing PC stuff anyway. You are just handling things right away instead of 24 hour planning. It removes the part that many people hate the most, the waiting in the PC chat for 30 minutes to not get picked up. I'm selling Templar Codes. 3 of 4 remaining. 200 mil ISK. Message me in game.



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