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Slave of MORTE wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

Slave of MORTE wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

Roman837 wrote:

Wait wait wait. Did he honestly just say...that one does not have to experience pc....to understand pc?

Using the famous quote from a living dust genius and philanthropist. "So...your telling me that if a 1000 friends tell you how to bang a girl. ..that it instantly give you 15 minutes of stamina and makes you a **** star" -xSaphir3

Ya.....your argument is invalid.

And I suppose having had sex or "banged a girl" would give you the anatomical knowledge of a medical doctor?

Sorry if your concepts of knowledge and creativity are so narrowly focused. But I am sure that is what makes you the best for coming up with ideas.

Roman plays pc every single day and has for likely over a year that's what makes him knowledgeable

To expand on your crude metaphor he may not have the intellectual experience of a doctor after being with a woman for a few years but he knows how to make her purr nonetheless vs your fumbling virgin fingers

I never said he wasn't knowledgeable, nor do I doubt his PC experience or skill.

Just that there are more levels of knowledge, and that being part of a broader discussion with a broader group will yield better results for Dust as a whole.

I may disagree with people like Kain at times, but at least I can respect him bringing the discussion to the appropriate places and not feeling the need to hide from everyone.

Being part of a broader discussion ..how broad

Anyone who's played dust for 10 minutes should talk about the competitive mode that's supposed to be what new players strive towards. people who have never experienced pc shouldn't be taken as seriously as those that always play pc ..
These forums have very few active pc players on them ..they are not an accurate way to gather info to create appropriate fixes.


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One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7320	Posted - 2015.01.22 00:48:00 - [1] - Quote Sticky Nuts RND wrote: CCP how do you propose new players can afford to play PC and what is the incentive to do so if they have no isk? Why not bring passive ISK back to PC so new corps can actually afford or want to afford it? Also how do you justify punishing the team that wins with this raid PC mode? win and lose money what are you president Obama now? losers win and winners get penalized?? come on this is not what the player base wants and all you are doing is forcing players to find new games to play. Because the system was abused and resulted in a bunch of veterans who proto stomped noobs right out of this game. They locked their districts so they could have easy money with no risk. Or does my opinion not matter because I have never PC'd. Elitists like Roman are WHY I don't PC. They have their head so far up their ass they can't see straight, and they mistake the ability to play a game is not the same set of skills required to analyze an environment and give constructive feedback. I have seen relatively new players give great feedback regarding this game, regardless of their inexperience. Lastly, your NFL argument is flawed. Randy Moss may make the HoF, but he couldn't hold a candle to Belichek's knowledge of the game despite the fact he never played about Division III NCAA football. If you really want to give your feedback, don't act like there aren't ways to do so just because they didn't come to you directly. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7326	Posted - 2015.01.22 02:00:00 - [2] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Apparently you didn't read what this thread is about. It's about changes go the current form of pc. So yes...your feed back on those changes means as much as ** on a bull. Because you don't pc. How an you comment on what to change if you don't know what we use to be changed? I don't need experience to read through feedback, put things together, ask questions, and provide feedback if I have any. I read through an significant portion of a tank thread just to understand what the issues are, and the ideas that are out there from experienced people. Not only were they knowledgeable (particularly Pokey and True), but they certainly didn't feel the need to request CCP only talk with them because they were the only ones that knew anything... You would be amazed at how much you can learn from gathering info from people that do a good job of analysis without being jerks about it. Sometimes ideas can be generated through discussions including all levels of experience because of happenstance and creativity. Likewise, some very experienced people can become entrenched in ideas, and as a result offer no creative solutions, or simply not acknowledge there are problems to begin with. And I don't need to have PC experience to know it is not in a good place right now, or to suggest new never-tried ideas that may breath new life into it and support ideas from others that would be for the betterment of Dust as a whole. Roman837 wrote: Did I just get called an elitist? I worked my ass off to get where I am. Started as a brand new blueberry not knowing what the ** to do. I liked the idea of the game. ...and realized I couldn't do it alone. So I joined the first corp I saw with a squad. STB. After months of grinding and learning. I was asked based off my skills to be on standby for a corp battle. I was super excited. I waited and listened on comms at the intricacy and detail that went into setting up and planning and bam...I was hooked. I wanted to do that. So...I stuck with it. Kept training my skills. Listening and learning. Getting into the odd pc. Finally. I started getting played more often. And...then I became a squad leader. Then the fc had to take a break...so I stepped up. I lost a lot of pcs. But I kept trying. Eventually my skill as a fc lead me to be a director. And now a CEO. I did that. Myself. Not with ccp giving me a hand out. It took over 2 years to get where I am. My corp fights pcs daily. Vs everyone. We just got our asses kicked. Guess what still here. Ain't going anywhere. You want to remove the best things about this game. You get what you put into it. Get good. I'll be back to read your forum post replies in an hour and a half. I have stacked pc timers and must organize my allies into fielding a team for me. Which is awsome. Both are defends. Don't ruin this game Being an Elitist is a frame of mind and has nothing to do with whether or not you put work in. If you have been around as long as you say you have, then you came in when there WAS no PC to even play. You never had to contend with large corps that wouldn't play you because you didn't have proto, and compete with players that had many times more SP and ISK. I am constantly seeing new players coming in to the forums and trying to learn their way through. Some who are interested in PC and want to be part of corps that will train them and let them do that. Some want to start corps of their own. I don't think it welcoming to suggest that what they have experienced is immaterial because it is not what you experienced. And if I were them, I sure as hell would want no part of your corp or to create one that has anywhere near the sense of entitlement your posts suggest. I don't think wanting to be part of PC discussions so that the 10% of players that get to play it ruin it for the rest, whether because they some day want to be part but can't because of those ideas, or because of ideas similar to the previous periods where PC broke the Dust economy, me or anyone else trying to ruin the game. Nor does it mean I want its removal. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7326	Posted - 2015.01.22 02:03:00 - [3] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: You're delusional if you think PC corps "proto stomping" are what drive players away from this game..... Also if elitists are the reason you don't play PvP then Competitive PvP games are not for you.. Elitists should drive you to play and/or get better. Not give up till your style of competition is handed to you while you armchair quarterback.. Yeah, I am sure mercs having ridiculous amounts of ISK to blow any any fitting they want and coming into pubs with players right out of the academy had NOTHING to do with those players never returning... You mistake Elitists for people who have great skill. You could be the greatest player in the game and not be Elitist. Likewise, you could be the worst cough Thunderbolt cough and be Elitist. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7332	Posted - 2015.01.22 02:47:00 - [4] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Wait wait wait. Did he honestly just say...that one does not have to experience pc....to understand pc? Using the famous quote from a living dust genius and philanthropist. "So...your telling me that if a 1000 friends tell you how to bang a girl. ..that it instantly give you 15 minutes of stamina and makes you a **** star" -xSaphir3 Ya.....your argument is invalid. And I suppose having had sex or "banged a girl" would give you the anatomical knowledge of a medical doctor? Sorry if your concepts of knowledge and creativity are so narrowly focused. But I am sure that is what makes you the best for coming up with ideas. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7332	Posted - 2015.01.22 02:59:00 - [5] - Quote Slave of MORTE wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Roman837 wrote: Wait wait wait. Did he honestly just say...that one does not have to experience pc....to understand pc? Using the famous quote from a living dust genius and philanthropist. "So...your telling me that if a 1000 friends tell you how to bang a girl. ..that it instantly give you 15 minutes of stamina and makes you a **** star" -xSaphir3 Ya.....your argument is invalid. And I suppose having had sex or "banged a girl" would give you the anatomical knowledge of a medical doctor? Sorry if your concepts of knowledge and creativity are so narrowly focused. But I am sure that is what makes you the best for coming up with ideas. Roman plays pc every single day and has for likely over a year that's what makes him knowledgeable To expand on your crude metaphor he may not have the intellectual experience of a doctor after being with a woman for a few years but he knows how to make her purr nonetheless vs your fumbling virgin fingers I never said he wasn't knowledgeable, nor do I doubt his PC experience or skill. Just that there are more levels of knowledge, and that being part of a broader discussion with a broader group will yield better results for Dust as a whole. I may disagree with people like Kain at times, but at least I can respect him bringing the discussion to the appropriate places and not feeling the need to hide from everyone. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7332	Posted - 2015.01.22 03:16:00 - [6] - Quote Slave of MORTE wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Slave of MORTE wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Roman837 wrote: Wait wait wait. Did he honestly just say...that one does not have to experience pc....to understand pc? Using the famous quote from a living dust genius and philanthropist. "So...your telling me that if a 1000 friends tell you how to bang a girl. ..that it instantly give you 15 minutes of stamina and makes you a **** star" -xSaphir3 Ya.....your argument is invalid. And I suppose having had sex or "banged a girl" would give you the anatomical knowledge of a medical doctor? Sorry if your concepts of knowledge and creativity are so narrowly focused. But I am sure that is what makes you the best for coming up with ideas. Roman plays pc every single day and has for likely over a year that's what makes him knowledgeable To expand on your crude metaphor he may not have the intellectual experience of a doctor after being with a woman for a few years but he knows how to make her purr nonetheless vs your fumbling virgin fingers I never said he wasn't knowledgeable, nor do I doubt his PC experience or skill. Just that there are more levels of knowledge, and that being part of a broader discussion with a broader group will yield better results for Dust as a whole. I may disagree with people like Kain at times, but at least I can respect him bringing the discussion to the appropriate places and not feeling the need to hide from everyone. Being part of a broader discussion ..how broad Anyone who's played dust for 10 minutes should talk about the competitive mode that's supposed to be what new players strive towards. people who have never experienced pc shouldn't be taken as seriously as those that always play pc .. These forums have very few active pc players on them ..they are not an accurate way to gather info to create appropriate fixes. But how can you make something those players should want to be part of if you don't get feedback from them about what they want? If you have a core group of PC players wanting to create a system that does not at all appeal to those who are not already part of it what good is that? If that same group wants something like passive ISK, they should at least be able to explain to those not in PC how it will be addressed in a way that won't result in a breaking any potential market that CCP is trying to create. In the same way that someone may not have experience playing lots of PC, you may not have enough experience outside of it to understand where a CEO of a small but growing group of players is coming from or all of the barriers that coming in to grow a corp in the midst of a lot of veteran corps is coming from. All the voices above are equally as valuable as the experienced large corp CEO. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7344	Posted - 2015.01.22 21:30:00 - [7] - Quote Atiim wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I never said he wasn't knowledgeable, nor do I doubt his PC experience or skill. Just that there are more levels of knowledge, and that being part of a broader discussion with a broader group will yield better results for Dust as a whole. I may disagree with people like Kain at times, but at least I can respect him bringing the discussion to the appropriate places and not feeling the need to hide from everyone. The problem with "there being more levels of knowledge", is that there aren't. If you haven't participated in Planetary Conquest you can't comment on which mecanics are bad and which ones are good, nor can you suggest which ones need to be improved on because your Intel is based on hearsay and is likely incorrect. These forums only consist of about 100 people at best, and when you have a playerbase of 4k that means only 3% of them will actually be heard by the DEVs. Compared to a channel with well over 100 members who are representing corps and groups with around 200+ members it's feedback on the forums which is actually being hidden. That aside, I don't see why so many players in this thread are opposed to CCP going into the channel to collect feedback from the ones who know what they're talking about. You'll still be able to make your terrible suggestions and act as if you know what you're talking about, but CCP will simply have feedback that will actually improve the situation. Brainstorming is about throwing as many ideas out there as you can, and then whittling them down. I have no problem with people telling me my bad ideas are bad. I ask why. They explain, and thus I have new knowledge I didn't have before. I am not saying that the rest of the community is smarter or more knowledgeable about PC. I am saying that there are enough smart, intelligent, non PC Dust players that can contribute to the discussion in one form or fashion. If they can't explain, or give reasons that suggest their ideas are in fact self serving, then it is important to point that out. This community may not have a lot of PC players, or even a lot of the player base, but it IS comprised of gamers, who may have outside experience, and have new ideas or features that would be excellent for end game content like PC. The forums are essentially a way to crowd source. Creativity is not monopolized by PC players. I don't care that they are collaborating and coming up with ideas. Being proactive is good. But it makes me and other question whether PC or being part of a corp is something I ever want to be part of when they suggest that their ideas are the only ones that should matter, and that they are too good to be part of the discussion with the rest of the community, which is how this thread comes off. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7344	Posted - 2015.01.22 21:32:00 - [8] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Freccia di Lybra wrote: Roman837 wrote: Attack us. Do you even know who you're talking to? Look, I seriously would regroup all my former corporation just to stop your wanton elitism, if I could. I want to buy tickets to this. Do it. PLEAASE!!! Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"