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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2015.01.21 19:54:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:Posted this in war room. Was told it would be seen faster here
What I am mad about....is the people you are gathering your information from...to make changes to pc....are not even in pc. This is a Rediculous thing. Knowing stats on suits...and other geeky stats is great an all for those math wizards. But. ..do not for a second think that they are in any shape way or form involved in the most competitive form of your game. Planetary Conquest.
As far as I know, everyone posting there is active or has been active in PC. Of course, people who never played PC won't know what to say hence won't post anything.
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2015.01.21 21:32:00 -
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It is very important, in my opinion, to listen to why people deliberately never got involved in PC or why they left. If you already like something, you'll never find the right issues in it.
I can tell you why I (as many others) decided to leave Planetary Conquest (and Dust, later): framerate issues, network lag, impossible timers. Now, I'd be pretty happy if they fix one of these issues, it would be a good step forward.
Edit:
Also remember, today's PC is what it is because old PC players already left. I could name at least 15 corporations that shouldn't own any district if "old" PC players and corporations were still active.
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2015.01.22 01:16:00 -
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http://evemaps.dotlan.net/districts/Molden_Heath
You say there is no issue? The hell....
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2015.01.22 11:15:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
1)CCP.....doesn't this seem odd to you? This is exactly what this thread is about. Guys that don't or have never participated in pc before making suggestions on how to change it lol.
2)Would anyone take advice on women from someone who doesn't know where the "hole" is?? My corp isn't active like we were and yet we still participate in pc. Anyone that doesn't participate in pc just choose not to out of fear or lack of competitive drive....it's that simple.
3)People complain about lag and framerate drops as if it is any better in pub matches. Some moron even said that he could earn more in pubs than he can in pc matches and that's why he doesn't play.
4)You have to consider the suggestions from guys who actually play this game and the mode that's being considered for revision.......and not from guys who just wet their panties over the math and numbers.
It's just so wrong.
1) There must be a reason why people deliberately don't want to participate at Dust endgame. No endgame = less players = less money = less content = less player again and so go on.
2) Fear of a game? Lack of competitive drive? What's the point in being non-competitive in Dust as a whole game? there's no Pve, there's nothing preventing you from being competitive, except for being idle in matches and simply doing nothing the whole time. The fact you are actually playing even if not regularly, clearly shows that you are competitive at some degree.
3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxip2n9VXjo
And it was the same for anyone on my side, every PC match, ever (and there has been hundreds of matches). It is much different. I too keep hearing from people that it really doesn't change much, but really for many players in my region it's not the case. Connection issues? ps3 issues? I can't really say. What I can say is that this is a great big wall even for experienced players.
4) In my former alliance we saw this timers problem coming much time before PC was released. Actually, Cazaderon was the first to notice that the whole timers thing were totally wrong. Just from "numbers" and sporadic infos.Also, If you want to make a better game, it's more valuable to know why players don't like it than why the others like it, and after all, if Dust has serious problem is 50% because of dumb community.
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2015.01.22 20:05:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:
The reason I am being so "abrasive" is because I am in panic mode. I am in damage control mode. These changes will ruin our game. They will make my players not log on.
Why?
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2015.01.22 21:20:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:
It is very engaging now. It is why we still play. You just are to lazy to get into it now. Want us to give you our 3 districts and 5 billion isk? Wait 2 weeks...then see where your at?
Is Murphys Law really that good?
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2015.01.22 21:27:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:Roman837 wrote:
It is very engaging now. It is why we still play. You just are to lazy to get into it now. Want us to give you our 3 districts and 5 billion isk? Wait 2 weeks...then see where your at?
Is Murphys Law really that good? Attack us.
Do you even know who you're talking to?
Look, I seriously would regroup all my former corporation just to stop your wanton elitism, if I could.
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2015.01.22 21:35:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:Roman837 wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:Roman837 wrote:
It is very engaging now. It is why we still play. You just are to lazy to get into it now. Want us to give you our 3 districts and 5 billion isk? Wait 2 weeks...then see where your at?
Is Murphys Law really that good? Attack us. Do you even know who you're talking to? Look, I seriously would regroup all my former corporation just to stop your wanton elitism, if I could. Not a clue. Nor do I care. You going to tell me..you use to be good or use to have a good team.
Then, sir, you have no word in anything PC related.
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2015.01.22 23:26:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:
lol. You some scrub some from scrub corp who was in 5 pcs before? Hilarious. And also so cute that you think you were ever important.
Yes, 5.  Oh God...
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2015.01.23 00:06:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:Are you saying Maphia clan use to be a big player in pc?
Never said that. Big players have been Seraphim, What the French, Synergy, Teamplayers, GAC, AE, Outer Heaven and Nyan. But that's it. Still, owning Sakulda V for three months and lose it when all of our players left is at least honorable to me.
You are acting like PC is yours and you and your corporation rule PC. You also pretend that the same PC that drove away my mates from Dust is ok, timers which destroyed my alliance are ok, and that no one except you and other few has the right to decide what's wrong and what is right.
Fly down, if there still was the corporations I mentioned above and all the other corporation that disappeared, you or your corporation wouldn't even have the possibility to play a PC match. And you would be in the same situation as the newberries you are harassing.
The timer thing is a very old issue and thanks God they've finally woke up but there are still the framerate lag and the network lag issues to be solved.
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2015.01.23 00:31:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:Roman837 wrote:Are you saying Maphia clan use to be a big player in pc? Never said that. Big players have been Seraphim, What the French, Synergy, Teamplayers, GAC, AE, Outer Heaven and Nyan. But that's it. Still, owning Sakulda V for three months and lose it when all of our players left is at least honorable to me. You are acting like PC is yours and you and your corporation rule PC. You also pretend that the same PC that drove away my mates from Dust is ok, timers which destroyed my alliance are ok, and that no one except you and other few has the right to decide what's wrong and what is right. Fly down, if there still was the corporations I mentioned above and all the other corporation that disappeared, you or your corporation wouldn't even have the possibility to play a PC match. And you would be in the same situation as the newberries you are harassing. The timer thing is a very old issue and thanks God they've finally woke up but there are still the framerate lag and the network lag issues to be solved. Haha haha hahahaha. Oh god that's funny. You owned one planet did you? Awsome job. I've been in pc since it came out. Fought in every major war. PC is a daily thing for me. The corps you mentioned. Know me. I have fought all of them. This is why we don't post in general discussion or in feed back. Because it's pointless talking to the people who dwell here.
You fought all of them in STB? As far as I remember, STB were neutral toward us...and you're telling me you fought Cronos vs. Eon.
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2015.01.23 13:56:00 -
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You seriously seem to miss what one of the real issues is in Planetary conquest is. It absolutely has flaws.
You said earlier that the ultimate goal for a corporation is to own 100% of Molden Heath. Guess what? If Nyan wanted to, it would have been pretty easy:
1) Attack a district
2) Slowly flip it because they can
3) Change timer to the usual 13:00 or 12:00
4) They win PC
Actually NS already won PC, none of their districts is under attack, and they're also selling them afaik. If you really want the competitiveness you seem to aim for, you cannot be that blind towards timers.
Think about EU timezone: it's the most vulnerable timezone, period. We're exposed both to US attacks and Asia attacks and this is a major problem because of the inevitable, huge network lag one of the two factions will get. Is this competitive? No, it's not. It's an easy win for one of the two.
I clearly remember a series of 5-6 matches against Hellstorm. It wasn't about tactics because both factions always used the same tactic on the same map. It wasn't about players because we always used the same players as they did.
First match, we lost miserably. Second game, they got wrecked. Third game we got stomped. Fourth game we won by measure. They all wasn't close games. Each game was like a pubstomp for one or the other corporation/alliance. Now answer this question: is this competitive?
PC has flaws, and as much as I understand your frustration for the changes being in development, you should also understand the effort CCP is putting into PC in order to make it more competitive.
For what concerns timers hiding, it has been a common tactic: you know who you're fighting, you know when they're online, therefor you set your timer at an unaccessible timezone, taking non-aggression agreements with the major corps at that timezone. Let's be honest. This is not competitive.
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2015.01.23 14:14:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:
Coming from somone who use to play the game and be in pc...correct?
Nyain has never sold a district. They give them away. Want to know why their districts are not under attack? Because people don't attack them. Including myself. I have dozens of other targets to hit. Why hut them? And up until a week ago their were in my alliance. There is nothing stopping people from attacking Nyain. They are not the issue.
If somone wants to own 100%....and switch their timers to their prime time....do it. That's their right.
They came to OUR time zone and took them from us. Let us go to their time zone and take it back.
This is a military strategy game. You adapt. If somone at 2000 prime time keeps hitting your 0100 timers...and you want to retaliate yiu either diplomatically find help or recruit players based on that time zone. Yiu do the hard work. In game. Not cry in forums that somone did what you are to lazy to do.
You don't attack them because you CAN'T FFS. Who is online on 13:00? People either work or are at school in EU, and it's way too early in US. NS timers "should" be as exposed as hell considering all of their districts except one is at 13:00.
Ask them if they never sold a district.
And btw, what about network lag? how would you fix intercontinental matches?
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2015.01.23 14:16:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:How the flying **** is this going to make the game any more competitive! The players with no skill and the lazy corps will still have no skill and they will still be lazy! Because instead of putting in hard work and training they begged for the standard to be lowered. Awsome.
Well....When I was a kid I wanted to be a doctor. Then I realized I was way to stupid to be a doctor. I was offered extra schooling and somone to privately train me up to the required skills and knowledge. I said...Naa. ...I'm just going to write Sooo many nasty letters to the government and to the schools saying they should lower their academic requirement.
That is your logic. Lower the bar...which will produce a poorer quality if players.
Awsome
And no. The problem is when you have the skills to be a doctor but for some reason outside of what you can reasonably do, you can't.
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2015.01.23 14:23:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:
i have been in dozens of match with Nyain at that time zone. For and against. Yup. I had to set my alarm and plan it on a weekend. I had to put time and effort into it. You are correct. What happens....is Nyain is complaining in Japanese on their forums saying our timers are way to hard to hit...and we are the ones hiding behind them. Mind blown. They don't complain. They attacked. And took them.
Your lack or dedication and effort does not constitute an emergency or need to change anything.
Get good.
They do not complain because
1) They already have more districts than they wanted
2) Many of the timers are still accessible to them, with little to no required effort. while you had to set your alarm clock for a game, they just played regularly.
But, don't get me wrong, if there were only one super-corporation in US it would work the same way. Nobody would attack you in your timer because it would be too early for asians and too late for europeans.
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
385
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Posted - 2015.01.23 14:28:00 -
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Travis Stanush wrote:Roman837 wrote:How the flying **** is this going to make the game any more competitive! The players with no skill and the lazy corps will still have no skill and they will still be lazy! Because instead of putting in hard work and training they begged for the standard to be lowered. Awsome.
Well....When I was a kid I wanted to be a doctor. Then I realized I was way to stupid to be a doctor. I was offered extra schooling and somone to privately train me up to the required skills and knowledge. I said...Naa. ...I'm just going to write Sooo many nasty letters to the government and to the schools saying they should lower their academic requirement.
That is your logic. Lower the bar...which will produce a poorer quality if players.
Awsome look I understand your frustration I do.. BUT how long would it take if you created a corp from scratch to get a hold in PC? NO cash from your main NO acquaintances / friends / enemies New everything How long would it take and how many people would you lose? I know they are giving districts away but, do you think that's really enough to be considered IN PC? Just because it took years for you to reach the position you are at does not make the system any less broken.
Wait, this is much different. You have a taxation system. Use it. If your corporation has at least 30 active players you would reach the necessary isk in 4-5 days. Up to now, it would be pretty hard, but this time I am ok with what Roman says, because no "new guy" should find himself comfortable in PC as much as a newly created toon wouldn't find himself comfortable in an endgame raid.
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
385
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Posted - 2015.01.23 14:41:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:You seriously seem to miss what one of the real issues is in Planetary conquest is. It absolutely has flaws.
You said earlier that the ultimate goal for a corporation is to own 100% of Molden Heath. Guess what? If Nyan wanted to, it would have been pretty easy:
1) Attack a district
2) Slowly flip it because they can
3) Change timer to the usual 13:00 or 12:00
4) They win PC
Actually NS already won PC, none of their districts is under attack, and they're also selling them afaik. If you really want the competitiveness you seem to aim for, you cannot be that blind towards timers.
Think about EU timezone: it's the most vulnerable timezone, period. We're exposed both to US attacks and Asia attacks and this is a major problem because of the inevitable, huge network lag one of the two factions will get. Is this competitive? No, it's not. It's an easy win for one of the two.
I clearly remember a series of 5-6 matches against Hellstorm. It wasn't about tactics because both factions always used the same tactic on the same map. It wasn't about players because we always used the same players as they did.
First match, we lost miserably. Second game, they got wrecked. Third game we got stomped. Fourth game we won by measure. They all weren't close games. Each game was like a pubstomp for one or the other corporation/alliance. Now answer this question: is this competitive?
PC has flaws, and as much as I understand your frustration for the changes being in development, you should also understand the effort CCP is putting into PC in order to make it more competitive.
For what concerns timers hiding, it has been a common tactic: you know who you're fighting, you know when they're online, therefor you set your timer at an unaccessible timezone, taking non-aggression agreements with the major corps at that timezone. Let's be honest. This is not competitive. Sounds compettive to me. Taking turns bashing each other is exactly lol. What would you consider competitive?
For me a competitive game would be when no one takes advantage from anything. Pure skills. Forcing you to set alarm clocks to play is simply stupid.
And Roman, you know I, we already did set alarm clock to fight PCs. But long term it's devasting, ask anyone in my former alliance. That's why, if possible, they, we should find a better solution if there's one. Why, for example, fixed timer / fixed server location for each district shouldn't work?
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2015.01.23 14:44:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:
How do you think NS got so many districts? you think people gave them away to them? They set alarm clocks and took them from other corps and then changed them to their time zones. See how that works?
That's not quite entirely true. They simply took many districts from EU timezone + other districts in Oceania Timezone + Other districts accessible in US timezone.
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
385
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Posted - 2015.01.23 14:55:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:
You don't attack them because you CAN'T FFS. Who is online on 13:00? People either work or are at school in EU, and it's way too early in US. NS timers "should" be as exposed as hell considering all of their districts except one is at 13:00.
Ask them if they never sold a district.
And btw, what about network lag? how would you fix intercontinental matches?
What are you talking about? We can and we do attack them. All it takes is for us to send a mail to our corp saying "early PC against NS, set your alarm clocks" and we'll have a full team ready to go at their timer. And you know what we do? We take their district.Given how NS's primetime actually is 1300, they have to do the same thing if they want to take one of the districts on our timers so it's far from the unfair one-sided battle you make it out to be. As for selling districts, any and everyone has sold a district before. However if you actually bothered to ask someone from NS you'd know that they do give away districts for free if you ask them. Network lag gets fixed by kicking players if their ping is too high, and I don't seeing anything wrong with intercontinental matches.
Look, it's always a matter of TZ and players. If I asked my mates to get up early for a PC on a Sunday, the probably would do it once, maybe twice. But the third time they all would virtually slap me.
With my former alliance we already did it: alarm clock at 05:00 to fight teamplayers and Syn. But, hell, after the second night of fightings we all was burned out...
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
385
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Posted - 2015.01.23 15:05:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:
But let me ask, with the timer changes are you saying your corps are going to participate in PC when it happens?
No, my corporation does not exist anymore. As the alliance does not exist anymore. As the corporations that used to be in the alliance does not exist anymore. All of my corpmates are in other corporation and on ps4 and I would never ask them to come back, even if I'm pretty confident some of them would. But, sure, I may join one corp with one of my alts and participate in PC, why not? I'm pretty confident in my skills, I might not be the best player, but a good "PC player" yes.
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2015.01.23 15:14:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:
If your team burned out on day 2 then why would you even want to get into PC? You guys really want this game dumbed down. It is becoming more clear now. You want it to be like every other cookie cutter shooter than you can dominate after playing 3-4 hours. Pathetic.
we didn't burned out on day 2, we did burned out on day 120 more or less. We simply stopped attacking Eon at 04:00 AM while they could attack us at their 15:00. We just kept defending.
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
385
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Posted - 2015.01.23 15:27:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:True, it is just a game. Is that why you want it simplified? For your best interests? Maybe you guys should just keep playing pubs when you can. Join a PC ready corp and when you have time let the FC know you would like to participate.
Excuse me, but how would a wider attack window simplify PC? how would fixed timers / server on each district simplify PC? It would simply change the way you play, but it would not dumb it down at all!
It's not about simplify PC, it's about to make it a bit more fair for those who can't compete not because they just don't want to or because they are not capable of, but simply because they can't because of its mechanics.
Ei fu,
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