input from the PC community is important but the exclusiveness of pc is one of the problems with it. opinions from all sides are valuable at this point since pc mechanics will be entirely different from what they are now.

My apologies , can someone tell me where these proporsed changes to PC are being discussed? I can only see references to timers.

This. Second response to the thread nailed it.

Roman, we want a lot more than just the current PC crowd to enjoy PC. It's not going to work to just build a new PC based on Kane's feedback and your feedback. Designs that exclude a lot of other corps aren't going to fly, and the experiences of people who were pushed out of PC or stopped playing PC are actually a lot more valuable than the current PC crowd in determining where the design for PC went wrong.



There's multiple threads on proposed PC changes in the Feedback and Ideas board.

I'm not allowed into PC no matter what corp I join...

Because I use ADV mods on a PRO suit with a PRO weapon. That and they are not in PC because all the big corps knock them out of it. I can't join those for PC because I have no mic and that is something everyone requires.

*Sigh* Besides, I haven't been there much. Just studying facts on PC from starmap.

Has CCP put out their changes yet? Resetting timers doesn't seem like a big deal. It doesn't seem like a big deal if all the districts get reset either.

Removing timers altogether would be epically stupid, but I haven't seen CCP actually say they are even considering this.

But there aren't any real mechanics discussed there. Just a method of setting timers.

That doesn't change much of anything. If that's all that changed there wouldn't be any change in participation levels.

No need to trash some good ideas only because they come from less experienced mercs.

Thor, stacking timers at best just makes the next 16 relevant, or the next 16 relevant. Stacking timers is not a useful methodology for good gameplay. It still means you will always be grabbing the best possible available people at the time. It's still very exclusionary. Mass attacks are a casualty of the existing bad game design. We need a game design that doesn't need mass attacking to make progress.

This game will die if you take away our competitiveness. Or...it may aswell die as we PC players are the ones most active and funding this game. We are keeping our players logging on. We are doing it. The CEOS of the active pc corps. Not the cpm. We provide our guys content...which keeps then logging on. News flash we create fake wars and drama...just so our guys keep playing and are interested. We are holding on by mere threads.

This idiot arguing with me is the scissors that's about to cut that thread. How fun will pc be when we are all gone. Literally. All of us.

But 24 hour notice makes the organized mass attack possible. It's the only alternative if you don't have 16 better than their 16, hence the stagnation of PC.

Roman, you don't have to take away the competitiveness of PC to open the game up to more people.

They dropped the ball in not giving players a way to team deploy outside of PC. From the start the gamemode was heavily rigged in the favor of beta players with all the experience. By that time most of the talent had pooled. Then even more so as corps failed and the talent kept getting more condensed. Then you had a ton of people quit altogether. Now we are here with a tiny, tiny portion of the player base with all this talent, SP, ISK, and experience.

It's in CCP's best interest for more players to get a taste of that. They have to do something to make it accessible to them.

I STILL don't see anybody heavily involved in PC offering up suggestions to grow the level of participation in PC.

The only way the raiding system works is if NOT maintaining those districts (no showing) leads to real attacks being possible right away.

If this is possible then a Faction Warfare Army could have 200 people online raiding the crap out people's districts and probably get some land out of it. They wouldn't be able to hold it very long, but it would provide an avenue for players to get a taste of PC. I think new corps would spawn from these initial "zerg fest" corps that would want more.

I still think that regular attacks should happen right then and there. 30 minute notice. But the window timers are set to your prime time. Your guys that want to get on the PC team are defending against raids and proving themselves. Your PC team is in the PC chat getting ready to attack and BAM someone attacks them. One of the squad leaders is dropping from the A team to FC the B team to attack while the A team defends.

It's all the same, you are in your chats doing PC stuff anyway. You are just handling things right away instead of 24 hour planning. It removes the part that many people hate the most, the waiting in the PC chat for 30 minutes to not get picked up.

The only way the raiding system works is if NOT maintaining those districts (no showing) leads to real attacks being possible right away.

If this is possible then a Faction Warfare Army could have 200 people online raiding the crap out people's districts and probably get some land out of it. They wouldn't be able to hold it very long, but it would provide an avenue for players to get a taste of PC. I think new corps would spawn from these initial "zerg fest" corps that would want more.

I still think that regular attacks should happen right then and there. 30 minute notice. But the window timers are set to your prime time. Your guys that want to get on the PC team are defending against raids and proving themselves. Your PC team is in the PC chat getting ready to attack and BAM someone attacks them. One of the squad leaders is dropping from the A team to FC the B team to attack while the A team defends.

It's all the same, you are in your chats doing PC stuff anyway. You are just handling things right away instead of 24 hour planning. It removes the part that many people hate the most, the waiting in the PC chat for 30 minutes to not get picked up.

You are online anyway during your primetime. You set your two hour timers for your district to a time you feel is your prime time. Instead of dealing with battles that were initiated yesterday, you'd be fighting ones that were just sent. No more time commitment than now. Except it would cut down on a lot of the out of game communications necessary to coordinate things.

It would cut down on the amount of land you could hold.

I liked the idea of multipliers that increased when you successfully defended a district. It gives the ability for smaller more elite corps to make a smaller quantity of districts as valuable as holding a large percentage in the passive ISK days.

There are ways to do this while keeping things competitive and not crowding out the entire community. One that would have to go to like 15 different websites, search for Dev posts and still not have all the information on how PC actually works. One that doesn't have any ability whatsover to perform any meaningful training.

Really?
You call that practice? Half the guys in pubs are in militia gear.
Don't disrespect yourself to us like that!
You either failed to read it all, or subtly forgot the entire part about cheap tactics like modded controllers, which some of your guys run (dont act like you dont know). Combine all this, you have a recipie for keeping new players away from this game.
I have seen less cheapness per capita in cod games for christ sake.
You know what kept me here despite all that crap?
Loyalty.
Loyalty to ccp and new eden.
I spent $60 on dust this month, $70 last month.
I encourage my corp to spend on it, too.
I never said Aurum was a bad thing. In the contrary, if there was a "premium subscription", Iwould pay it.
Thats how much I believe in the universe CCP built.
Despite that, many aspects of this game are fundamentally flawed.
Like PC.
Do I believe you shouldn't wear the gear you earn?
No. I don't feel that way at all.
Do I feel that teiring works well in this game?
Nope.
CCP would find its player base growing if the players could choose the level if competition they play at.
MLT-STD, STD-ADV, ADV-PROTO, meta mashup, PC.
CCP is so "sandbox" that they dont even realize why their playerbase isnt growing.
And I hate that.
Such a style works for EVE, but DUST was to appeal to a larger target audience, and that target audience is fickle. Then there is "you guys"
Someone said 10%....
Stop acting like you ARE DUST.
You aren't.
You are well outnumbered by the rest of us, and we deserve to enjoy all aspects of this game as much as you self proclaimed "elite" do.
And btw, your personal wallet well exceeds the combined wallet of 20 average players.
Your corp wallet may be smaller than my corp wallet currently, but Older corps have much, much more, due to a system CCP deemed abused and broken.
I left this game for 2 months due to hand injuries sustauned in a motorcycle accident. Before I left, I never heard of your corp, when I returned, I saw you everywhere (and was impressed).
Things change, man.
Adapt and overcome.

So....should ccp reset eve? Who cares how hard the players who currently play have worked to get that far....let's accommodate the other people.