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Travis Stanush
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Posted - 2015.01.23 14:24:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:How the flying **** is this going to make the game any more competitive! The players with no skill and the lazy corps will still have no skill and they will still be lazy! Because instead of putting in hard work and training they begged for the standard to be lowered. Awsome.
Well....When I was a kid I wanted to be a doctor. Then I realized I was way to stupid to be a doctor. I was offered extra schooling and somone to privately train me up to the required skills and knowledge. I said...Naa. ...I'm just going to write Sooo many nasty letters to the government and to the schools saying they should lower their academic requirement.
That is your logic. Lower the bar...which will produce a poorer quality if players.
Awsome
look I understand your frustration I do.. BUT how long would it take if you created a corp from scratch to get a hold in PC?
NO cash from your main NO acquaintances / friends / enemies New everything How long would it take and how many people would you lose?
I know they are giving districts away but, do you think that's really enough to be considered IN PC?
Just because it took years for you to reach the position you are at does not make the system any less broken.
No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
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Travis Stanush
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Posted - 2015.01.23 14:42:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:Travis Stanush wrote:Roman837 wrote:How the flying **** is this going to make the game any more competitive! The players with no skill and the lazy corps will still have no skill and they will still be lazy! Because instead of putting in hard work and training they begged for the standard to be lowered. Awsome.
Well....When I was a kid I wanted to be a doctor. Then I realized I was way to stupid to be a doctor. I was offered extra schooling and somone to privately train me up to the required skills and knowledge. I said...Naa. ...I'm just going to write Sooo many nasty letters to the government and to the schools saying they should lower their academic requirement.
That is your logic. Lower the bar...which will produce a poorer quality if players.
Awsome look I understand your frustration I do.. BUT how long would it take if you created a corp from scratch to get a hold in PC? NO cash from your main NO acquaintances / friends / enemies New everything How long would it take and how many people would you lose? I know they are giving districts away but, do you think that's really enough to be considered IN PC? Just because it took years for you to reach the position you are at does not make the system any less broken. Wait, this is much different. You have a taxation system. Use it. If your corporation has at least 30 active players you would reach the necessary isk in 4-5 days. Up to now, it would be pretty hard, but this time I am ok with what Roman says, because no "new guy" should find himself comfortable in PC as much as a newly created toon wouldn't find himself comfortable in an endgame raid.
Look I am saying he has survivors bias bad.
He cannot discredit an entire group of people without understanding the sheer amount of frustration that comes with doing PC.
There ARE well established Corps who do not PC because there is no reason to.
When we started as Beta players we had the advantage of NOT fighting Mega Alliances.
When I was in Gunfall on Skarkon after the first few days of it opening up it was entirely possible for new corps to be useful as Zerglings during mass attacks.
Now? Nope too much of the player talent has been pooled in one area.
I have been around long enough to see players burn out on PC come back and get burned again.
Edit : You can either stay here and argue with nobodies like me or you can go to Features and Ideas and post your ideas.
No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
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Travis Stanush
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Posted - 2015.01.23 14:57:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:Getting burned out is something PC players know is going to happen. Everyone has experienced it. That is why you have corp mates, to pick up the slack when someone is not online.
The timers are just that. They are timers. If you want said districts, you go and get them. Wanting them changed to make it easier for you is not a solution.
But let me ask, with the timer changes are you saying your corps are going to participate in PC when it happens?
Mine IS and frankly speaking if it wasn't for the charity from established PC corps we would have been wiped out already.
I really would like a way for small groups to actually have a purpose other that being the charity cases of PC.
The way some of you are acting it seems you don't want any changes. If any of you would post actual ideas in the forums instead of making a private channel many of us would feel like you gave a ****.
No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
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Travis Stanush
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Posted - 2015.01.23 15:03:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:Rediculous. The people are going against current pc and pushing for thus new change. ..are Rediculous.
Here is what a going to happen. You are going to make us angry. You wouldn't like us when we're angry.
You are going to forge one of the most Powerfull coalition this game has ever seen. What ever changes happen. We will fight it. All the big players were call a truce. And dominate. Then when you are all gone. We will continue on as nothing has happened. Then...you will all cry on forums again. We will adapt. ..and the cycle continues.
We play this game how it should be played. Ruthlessly.
You really believe there is nothing wrong with the way PC is now?
Is there nothing you would do to improve it?
Please do forge you alliance just like DNS we all know how well that worked out last time right?
No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
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Travis Stanush
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Posted - 2015.01.23 15:16:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:This is as public as it gets.
You are even saying what experienced PC players have been saying all along. People will help you. It is about building relationships in PC. You'll not survive alone. Even the best 16 this game has to offer don't stand a chance. Yeah, they will win some games but they will lose ground if they have any.
If your team burned out on day 2 then why would you even want to get into PC? You guys really want this game dumbed down. It is becoming more clear now. You want it to be like every other cookie cutter shooter than you can dominate after playing 3-4 hours. Pathetic.
Please for the love of all that is good in this world please understand that any time you have to GIVE **** away for people to get a foot hold on PC that something is wrong.
PC sucks bigolenuts and you know what it would take to fix it lay it out in text format so we can see what it is you want.
Its hard to support someone if you don't know what to support.
No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
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Travis Stanush
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Posted - 2015.01.23 15:19:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:Travis Stanush wrote:Roman837 wrote:Rediculous. The people are going against current pc and pushing for thus new change. ..are Rediculous.
Here is what a going to happen. You are going to make us angry. You wouldn't like us when we're angry.
You are going to forge one of the most Powerfull coalition this game has ever seen. What ever changes happen. We will fight it. All the big players were call a truce. And dominate. Then when you are all gone. We will continue on as nothing has happened. Then...you will all cry on forums again. We will adapt. ..and the cycle continues.
We play this game how it should be played. Ruthlessly. You really believe there is nothing wrong with the way PC is now? Is there nothing you would do to improve it? Please do forge you alliance just like DNS we all know how well that worked out last time right? What would I change in PC. I'll tell you. I would make it tiered so that corps work their way up. 3 levels, each corp put in a level based on players SP and number of players in corp. As players got more SP and the corp got more players they would move a level up. If the corp did not want to move up they would be forced to release player(s) forcing them up or to other corporations. Lower level corps could attack the higher corps but not vice versa and they could never take a district. To prevent this from becoming a locking issue if any corp in the same level as the corp being attacked by the lower attack initiated an attack, it would over ride the lower corps attack. Pay the lower corp 3x the typical payout for a win and don't punish them for a loss. I can go on and on about what I would do.
thank you they actually posted something like this already.
It was something along the lines of the deeper you go into MH the more ISK you could make but, the more powerful the corps were. something like that...
No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
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Travis Stanush
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Posted - 2015.01.23 15:31:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:Travis Stanush wrote:bigolenuts wrote:Travis Stanush wrote:Roman837 wrote:Rediculous. The people are going against current pc and pushing for thus new change. ..are Rediculous.
Here is what a going to happen. You are going to make us angry. You wouldn't like us when we're angry.
You are going to forge one of the most Powerfull coalition this game has ever seen. What ever changes happen. We will fight it. All the big players were call a truce. And dominate. Then when you are all gone. We will continue on as nothing has happened. Then...you will all cry on forums again. We will adapt. ..and the cycle continues.
We play this game how it should be played. Ruthlessly. You really believe there is nothing wrong with the way PC is now? Is there nothing you would do to improve it? Please do forge you alliance just like DNS we all know how well that worked out last time right? What would I change in PC. I'll tell you. I would make it tiered so that corps work their way up. 3 levels, each corp put in a level based on players SP and number of players in corp. As players got more SP and the corp got more players they would move a level up. If the corp did not want to move up they would be forced to release player(s) forcing them up or to other corporations. Lower level corps could attack the higher corps but not vice versa and they could never take a district. To prevent this from becoming a locking issue if any corp in the same level as the corp being attacked by the lower attack initiated an attack, it would over ride the lower corps attack. Pay the lower corp 3x the typical payout for a win and don't punish them for a loss. I can go on and on about what I would do. thank you they actually posted something like this already. It was something along the lines of the deeper you go into MH the more ISK you could make but, the more powerful the corps were. something like that... I've not seen it. I just know there should be different levels of game play. New corps should not be having to fight NS or the likes to get in. New corps should be fighting new corps and the players there should be working on getting better and trying to reach the ultimate goal, the high end.
I remember seeing it in there somewhere... anyways TY I remember talking to you during the DNS war and you seemed to be a reasonable guy.
Please convince some of your guys to post there you have good ideas and we do NEED all the input we can get otherwise we will have another 1.7 disaster.
No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
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Travis Stanush
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Posted - 2015.01.23 15:52:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:bigolenuts wrote:True, it is just a game. Is that why you want it simplified? For your best interests? Maybe you guys should just keep playing pubs when you can. Join a PC ready corp and when you have time let the FC know you would like to participate. Excuse me, but how would a wider attack window simplify PC? how would fixed timers / server on each district simplify PC? It would simply change the way you play, but it would not dumb it down at all! It's not about simplify PC, it's about to make it a bit more fair for those who can't compete not because they just don't want to or because they are not capable of, but simply because they can't because of its mechanics. The mechanic you say is broken is not imo. It is just not easy for you. you guys want to raid when no one is looking. You're not looking for fights, you are looking for a handout. Sacrifices should be made to participate in the highest level of the game. It should not be simplified because someone can't get out of bed to play. If that same person doesn't think it is worth it, then let them stay in bed and play when they are able. Until then, said person should be happy they have pubs still.
you been here yet?
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Travis Stanush
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Posted - 2015.01.23 16:18:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:Just so you all don't think Bigolenuts and I egging each other on...He and I are usually bitter opponents in this game. We both scratched our way to the top level. We fought against each other many times.
For a span of 6 months. He was my enemy in game.
The changes being proposed will forge a super coalition against you.
To the moron saying look what happened to DNS. Haha hahahaha.
We self distracted ourselves. For fun. You did not beat us. Everyone came together to prove a point to CCP. To make them see us. They did. Then we did what this games all about. We bashed each others heads in with rocks. We went to war.
10 corps in this game. If wanted. Can control everything. We self govern. We balance the game as needed.
We don't need outsiders begging ccp to change this game. Roman shut up
you are just making yourself look like a douche Have you even looked at this yet?
Provide your "insider" opinions there or not you choose.
Either way it doesn't matter because it IS changing not you or your buddies can stop it now.
Go **** yourself San Diego
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Travis Stanush
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Posted - 2015.01.23 17:01:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:Travis Stanush wrote:Roman837 wrote:Just so you all don't think Bigolenuts and I egging each other on...He and I are usually bitter opponents in this game. We both scratched our way to the top level. We fought against each other many times.
For a span of 6 months. He was my enemy in game.
The changes being proposed will forge a super coalition against you.
To the moron saying look what happened to DNS. Haha hahahaha.
We self distracted ourselves. For fun. You did not beat us. Everyone came together to prove a point to CCP. To make them see us. They did. Then we did what this games all about. We bashed each others heads in with rocks. We went to war.
10 corps in this game. If wanted. Can control everything. We self govern. We balance the game as needed.
We don't need outsiders begging ccp to change this game. Roman shut up you are just making yourself look like a douche Have you even looked at this yet? Provide your "insider" opinions there or not you choose. Either way it doesn't matter because it IS changing not you or your buddies can stop it now. Go **** yourself San Diego Yes. I have been informed of that new post. And the meet in the middle changes. Much better. I even comment and made a suggestion to make it better. Don't ever tell me to shut up again. Remember these forums are where wars usually start. I'm the one who starts them
I saw and thank you the suggestion you made was a good one.
No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
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