Remember Tank514?

Every scrub like me feels the pain...

Remember Tank514?

LOL. You didn't get past the first paragraph before admitting you think you should be immune to an AV. Nice job. You should never EVER be impossible to take down by a single other player. Ever.

What "Tank 514" are you talking about?

1. 1.7 where they were 'OP' for about a month before the nerfs rolled in

2. That was pilots adapting to what CCP had given them but it was nothing like what the pilots had asked for

3. In comparision to AV the OP factor has for the majority of the time been in AV hands, Uprising 1.0 to 1.7 spanned the best part of a year if not more and that was when vehicles had more options and everything

Um how about some constructive criticism? People may care and listen to what you have to say.

Either this or make it so at least 2 people have to work together to take out a basic tank, 3/4 for a PRO tank when they are released

lets not forget that the enemy doesn't have to run infantry to try and take out a tank, they can call in their OWN tanks and then if they kill the tanker, get their assholes opened by OP AV

this is what only CoD scrubs want (or people with similar mindset)

if it requires more than a single person to fack up a tank (or use tank by yourself) you create artificial number imbalance. the team that can afford to waste more tanks on the field would simply have bigger advantage.

this is not rocket science. this is simple math, -1 guy devoted to taking objectives in a tank wrecking the field, -2 guys on the other taking care of him, oh look suddenly enemy team with tank has +1 advantage unless you pick up tank yourself. result AV = useless, go tank or go home. imbalance again and binary game mechanics, none of that belong to games in this century.

we already had that, we do not want that. if you want it, go play world of tanks and enjoy your arcade style tank gameplay.

but if tanks are AV and you can't hack a point in a tank then they can't bring the numerical advantage to bear

if a tank is only for AV what is the point of a tank if it cannot be used as force multiplier? just to cruise around, destroy some installations and do nothing the rest of the game?

Deny enemy mobility through destroying LAVs and Dropships

Add small turrets for AI, and the infantry AV battle becomes 2 v 2

actually we had tank 514 multiple times in dust history, first time it was in closed beta where those super fast sagaris tanks were driving around with 20k hitpoint, super accurate weapons which instaderped any suit on the field but we didnt had adequate AV to deal with it and the fun part is, AV was too weak because it was nerfed due to crying it was too effective against infantry

1. AV was adequate but no one wanted to skill in to it and that was always the case, no one wanted to go AV so vehicles were left to do what they wanted

does not really work out with limited turret elevation, even worse, the dropship will hover over you and destroy your tank with small rails and with your approach AV wont be able to deal with the dropship because AV will be pointless.

and LAV is simply to fast to keep up with turret turn speed.

That's the ADS working as intended

Use blasters against LAVs

shooting for 30 seconds at a standing still sagaris was in no way adequate.

beside that it would not stands till and was as fast as current LAVs

this is what only CoD scrubs want (or people with similar mindset)

if it requires more than a single person to fack up a tank (or use tank by yourself) you create artificial number imbalance. the team that can afford to waste more tanks on the field would simply have bigger advantage.

this is not rocket science. this is simple math, -1 guy devoted to taking objectives in a tank wrecking the field, -2 guys on the other taking care of him, oh look suddenly enemy team with tank has +1 advantage unless you pick up tank yourself. result AV = useless, go tank or go home. imbalance again and binary game mechanics, none of that belong to games in this century.

we already had that, we do not want that. if you want it, go play world of tanks and enjoy your arcade style tank gameplay.

It's pretty obvious to me that you have a problem understanding what you read. At a time where tankers were racking up 20 plus kills people came on the forum and begged ccp to nerf tanks. Even though if a tanker were to go 20+ or 30+ in killsthe tanker would not have made enough isk to cover 1 tank and if he died it would be a loss. Tanks were extremely expensive in there golden days now they are just coffins on wheels. If your team lets a tank get over 10 kills in a match its your teams fault its not that tanks are op. For tanks to make money they have to kill high vallue targets other tanks dropships because killing infantry does not pay the bills. You're flat out wrong to say that there is no balance there. 1-1 more like 20-1 if you blow up 4 tanks in a match with your tank you can make a profit tack on some installations and a few infantry then you've got a decient profit.

Well you're wrong. If it takes more then 2 guys to take down a tank that's balance. Again the tank can't hide behind cover and is a much bigger and easier to hit.

And your logic here is that the team that can afford to call in the most tanks has the advantage. Yeah I agree. Definatly. Although the same also applies to how much a player is spending on his/her suit. The team that can afford to waste the most on proto suits also has an advantage.

So your answer is that you think a 20:1 KDR for tankers is balanced.

"hey it is balance because I say so, without any arguments, because I dont need them"




it is not about isk spend, what about "binary gameplay" & "AV is left in dust" is hard to understand? having everyone required to be skilled into tanks to counter tanks is not balanced. deal with it.

Well again if cost is intended to be irrelevant why do people choose to spend tons of isk on proto suits instead of just using starter fits?

you are funneled into cost too much, I couldnt care less about isk. I have enough isk to run proto suits for my lifetime and even if I didnt, there are certain playstyles that allow me to stay alive all game without dying, again allowing me to run full proto forever.

what I do however care is what I skill into. SP is the most precious ressource in this game, it allows me to determine my own playstyles and run whatever I decide to skill into IF I WANT TO. I do not want to be forced to skill into something just to be able to enjoy the game because otherwise herp derp tank ruins my day and I have no other way to deal with it efficiently except for using a tank myself (or the other solution would be to run an AV squad and lose the game because we didnt had enough bodies on the field that can fight back). maybe I do not enjoy tanks at all? why should I be forced to use them? just because some CoD kids want to run 20/0 every game with them? no thanks. in no way having 2+ persons to deal with tanks as requirement is balanced or good for the game.

and to answer your question: people use proto stuff because it gives them sense of progression, improvement and achievements, otherwise you could just aswell play Bf, counter strike or unreal tournament.

AV was too weak because it was nerfed due to crying it was too effective against infantry

You do make a good point. Isk tends to be a resource most of us don't have to worry about these days. I myself have about 73 mil. It's been that way for a while now. I tend to gain as much isk as Iose. There isn't much else to spend it on.

And on a side note... tanks ruin your day boo ******* hoo. Why the hell should I care about that. That has nothing to do with balancing just you sucking. I can't remember the last time I was killed by a tank as an infantry. If you can't deal with tanks go play ambush at least you have that option.

So it wasn't fair that infantry was complaining that what was supposed to be an AV weapon was being used as a far-too overpowered AI weapon? Don't let your brain explode from trying to wrap your brain around that.

it was fair to complain and fix it but it wasnt fair that the AV capabities were cut down too.

What AV capabilities were cut down?

first, I never said they ruin my day but they will ruin everyones day if 2+ or tank is the requirement of taking down one.

second, people with alot of isk are a minority of this game. most of them are people from closed beta or from lag conquest or some no lifers that farmed it all day (in which case they deserve it imho). the average player I met ingame usually farms isk in pubs, then use some proto stuff in FW for a single match, they can in no way sustain going full proto forever.


it was fair to complain and fix it but it wasnt fair that the AV capabities were cut down too.

you havent used vehicles, did you ?

you should. A tank is a tank. A mercenary is a mercenary. Your view is so one-minded and skewed, just express your hate for tanks some other way. A single-repped madrugar should be able to withstand a constant swarmer



If you lose 5-6 suits, you are doing it wrong....

and besides, how fun is it to an ADS pilot who can get maybe 1-2 kills before a swarmer notices him, and he has to retreat? Don't forget the bloody redline railguns/railtanks that one-shot my python, 2 shot my incubus (as in, i get shot once, knocked around then by the time i stabilize and start thrusting upwards he has launched his second shot and i'm dead)