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Vodar 540
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Posted - 2015.01.12 16:54:00 -
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I am one of many vehicle pilots in this game who has kept their silence on this topic for a very long time now. I have finally decided to speak up because I have just gotten sick of the situation where I am in a incubus/Python and am suddenly hit by a volley of swarms and when I try to use my shield booster another volley hits and cancels my shield boosters effect and from that point on I am as good as dead. This is a complete joke. How should a fully specked ADS pilot with close to 9 million sp into vehicles and using a ADS that costs close to 300k isk should even have to worry by being taken down by a sole dancing minmando that would have maybe 2mill sp at max put into AV (including suit) and that fit would cost at most 170k isk, maybe more, i am not sure. So my point, in this instance, is that it should not even be conceivable for a sole minmando to take down a ADS.
And now for tanks vs AV.
Now tanks are not in anywhere near the same state as drop ships are but are none the less severely under powered and, as is the way for all vehicles, incredibly boring as far as modules and capabilities are concerned. I was looking at what was planned for vehicles in March 2014 and i was blown away by what they were planning for the Force recon drop ship and Marauder tanks. They were planning to have a much more EVE like modules and ideas that were amazing and would add huge variety of possible fittings. Returning to the topic at hand whilst tanks have relatively good survivability they will have to run from AV which should not be the case, it should be vice versa but, it is not. I can go an entire day and not lose my XT Gunnlogi but if, I was in a Madrugar I could easily be brought down by pretty mundane AV. Tanks in this game do not bring the fear factor that they should. For instance if i were to see a tank in Battlefield or Planetside i would think "oh crap i need to run and take cover" but in dust the mentality for seeing a Ion cannon Madrugar is "okay where is the closest supply depot so i can break out the the swarms and take this guy down completely on my own". For starters, the Madrugar needs a huge buff because they are just a farce and secondly this should not be the reaction people should have. People who use AV should be the ones scared of a tank not the other way around. Not only this but Vehicles serve no purpose on the battlefield anymore and the original form of skirmish should be brought back where there is a attacking and defending and only one MCC trying to get across the battlefield without dying and the attacking team has to shut down the null cannons to allow the MCC to survive. But this was not only a better game mode but also gave vehicles a purpose in the game where a group of tanks could bombard a Null cannon and eventually destroy it .
Recommendations
What i would recommend is to not necessarily nerf AV but to buff vehicles so that they could have more of a presence on the Battlefield and add a couple of tank orientated maps. Because on a lot of maps vehicles can not get anywhere the action.[list]
- Increase the ability for tanks to withstand constant bombardment from average AV (siege modules etc.)
- Remodel the game modes to make vehicles viable
- Reintroduce weapon variations for both small and large turrets
- Reintroduce Marauder HAVs, Logi DS and LAV
- Add the Force recon DS with a pre-fitted cloak
- Reintroduce the variety off modules that used to be in the game and add some new ones.
- New vehicle orientated maps with wide open expanses and no buildings where vehicle transport is needed to achieve victory
- Remove the RDV and replace it with a type of vehicle up link at the back of bases to safely deploy vehicles and remove the chance of an DS tapping a RDV and killing it.
- Replace the supply depots so that there is in every game a reachable supply depot for tanks.
I hope that this has not been a complete waste of time and that the devs actually may realize that the vast majority of people on these forums are seeking to make this a more main stream mediocre game that when new players play this game they see a game that is trying to be like Battlefield except much slower and more boring. And this is happening because these people want to keep the game the same and keep their bullshit tactics that make the game boring. I was in a game yesterday where the enemy team just sat on top of a building with AV and just stayed there for the entire game and never even tried to take the objective. This is the main reason why a lot of new players are turning away from the game because they have more polished games like Battlefield and other more popular well known games on the market. This game would attract certain types of players who would like the EVE style of game style if the vehicle fittings, it would bring a whole new group of players and a lot of old ones. This would also bring a unique game to the market and would attract and KEEP new players because this game has a lot of new players that would hear of the game and try it out and then would be disappointed when they see that there is more vehicle customization in Battlefield and Planetside. As far as I am aware the EVE online community has greatly expanded over the past few few years because of it is a unique game that has not been seen before that offers a wide variety of ways to play the game. But in Dust there could be three tankers that would be using the same Gunnlogi fitting with maybe a different turret at most. This game has more potential then all other FPS games on the market and if the connection with EVE is utilized properly it could be un-matched in the gaming world. It just needs more content and a wider variety of ways for vehicles in particular to be used. All the devs need to do is not always listen to the community and should try to get the rest of the community involved in these discussions.To get the full picture.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:11:00 -
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LOL. You didn't get past the first paragraph before admitting you think you should be immune to an AV. Nice job. You should never EVER be impossible to take down by a single other player. Ever.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:16:00 -
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This post makes me want to cry. Not because it's probably going to give me cancer, but because I already promised not to troll Pilots until tomorrow.
Why couldn't you have posted it then? 
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Vodar 540
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:17:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:LOL. You didn't get past the first paragraph before admitting you think you should be immune to an AV. Nice job. You should never EVER be impossible to take down by a single other player. Ever.
I do not think i should be immune to good AV but to average AV yes because im in a tank that would cost 3 times the amount and i would have far more sp invested so yes i should be immune to a a bunch of crap swarms or AV or at least i should be able to withstand it for far longer than i can now because at the moment i have to run to survive from all but the worst AV. |
Vodar 540
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:20:00 -
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Atiim wrote:This post makes me want to cry. Not because it's probably going to give me cancer, but because I already promised not to troll Pilots until tomorrow. Why couldn't you have posted it then?
So you are one of these biased AV people who have no understanding of what it is like to be a pilot then well then i say to you that people like you are the reason why this game is failing to bring in new players |
Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:21:00 -
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Cost is irrelevant to balance, Vodar.
Game is 16v16. That means the game is balanced if 16 people equal 16 people.
Why do you think you're worth more than the AV player? (Hint: You're not, and you're wrong.)
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Vodar 540
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:26:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Cost is irrelevant to balance, Vodar.
Game is 16v16. That means the game is balanced if 16 people equal 16 people.
Why do you think you're worth more than the AV player? (Hint: You're not, and you're wrong.)
Cost is irrelevant? what is the point of having a currency in the game then i would recommend you just leave this thread because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about and are hell bent on keeping this game from getting anywhere. And my tank does cost more than AV |
Stupid Blueberry
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:27:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:LOL. You didn't get past the first paragraph before admitting you think you should be immune to an AV. Nice job. You should never EVER be impossible to take down by a single other player. Ever.
Alright let's bump the swarm launcher cost up to 200k since they should be able to solo a Python. (Remember Pythons are STD so STD Swarms will be 200k. While we're at it we should also make Pythons invisible. See how fast the 1=1 argument deteriorates?
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Haajakin Kalen.
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Stupid Blueberry
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:28:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Cost is irrelevant to balance, Vodar.
Game is 16v16. That means the game is balanced if 16 people equal 16 people.
Why do you think you're worth more than the AV player? (Hint: You're not, and you're wrong.)
Such a gracious and just CPM.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Haajakin Kalen.
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:31:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:LOL. You didn't get past the first paragraph before admitting you think you should be immune to an AV. Nice job. You should never EVER be impossible to take down by a single other player. Ever.
Wrong, wrong and dead wrong. Stop with the vehicles should be the same as infantry arguement. One AVer is easy mode and thus spammed to death when buffed.
VEHICLEPHOBIA!
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:32:00 -
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Vodar 540 wrote:Cost is irrelevant? what is the point of having a currency in the game then i would recommend you just leave this thread because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about and are hell bent on keeping this game from getting anywhere. And my tank does cost more than AV
I clearly know a lot more than you. For instance, you're crying that you might have to run away to survive. Whereas AV doesn't have that option. Vehicles outright kill infantry, and they don't have the opportunity to escape. Furthermore, vehicle users can bail from their vehicles and survive, continuing to deny opponents from actually killing them. Vehicles are STILL overpowered today, even with some nerfs to bring them back into line a bit.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:34:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:LOL. You didn't get past the first paragraph before admitting you think you should be immune to an AV. Nice job. You should never EVER be impossible to take down by a single other player. Ever.
Boy is it gonna get bad when they next tier is released and all these people like the OP will have what they want but they will have to spend the SP's to get it , those who haven't will complain that it's too much , most still wont be satisfied but they vets will be content if they just play it out and see how the situation is , AV will complain and ask for a buff if their not experienced ... calling vehicles OP but not understanding the dynamic , you can't make everyone happy and all the DS pilots who complain are scrubs ( sorry but true ) I fly around in a militia with no investment and if I get shot down it's understood but it barely almost never happens , crash more then I get shot down and that's because I had over 15 mil before my first respec and I did a vehicle respec as well just to see and I gained a lot from that experience .
I remember when pilots use to shoot at 50% increase and stack pilots on top of that and lead the board in most matches , couldn't swarm them because of the high ROF and just spamming rounds with gunners left them mostly free roam , even from forgers .
That was just where they wanted it and hence the constant complaints from pilots when HAV / LAV users say nothing but they have to deal with far more anti-vehicle efforts then air vehicles .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Stupid Blueberry
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:37:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Vodar 540 wrote:Cost is irrelevant? what is the point of having a currency in the game then i would recommend you just leave this thread because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about and are hell bent on keeping this game from getting anywhere. And my tank does cost more than AV I clearly know a lot more than you. For instance, you're crying that you might have to run away to survive. Whereas AV doesn't have that option. Vehicles outright kill infantry, and they don't have the opportunity to escape. Furthermore, vehicle users can bail from their vehicles and survive, continuing to deny opponents from actually killing them. Vehicles are STILL overpowered today, even with some nerfs to bring them back into line a bit.
Wow you really are ******* ********. Infantry can't escape? Ever heard of a roof or a door or a wall, truck, railing? Yeah, tankers can bail from their tank in their dinky little mlt frontline fit. Dropship pilots bail and get smacked by the ship. You're wrong, and you're being an ass on top of it. First time I lost all respect for a CPM. Ever.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Haajakin Kalen.
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Toobar Zoobar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:38:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Cost is irrelevant to balance, Vodar.
Game is 16v16. That means the game is balanced if 16 people equal 16 people.
Why do you think you're worth more than the AV player? (Hint: You're not, and you're wrong.)
Cost. Is. Revelevent.
Size. Is Relevant.
Indeed what is the point in a currency if cost is irrelevant? Have a go at thinking about that for a second will you.
And balance my friend is what makes games boring. Should I expect to be able to kill a titan in a frigate in EVE? No. No matter how much I shoot at it. I wouldn't even take on a battleship.
The titan not only costs a few million times what a frigate costs, but is also several million times the mass.
If someone who thinks a top end HAV shouldn't be able to tank a militia swarm launcher, started playing EVE, they would probably start whining that they can't kill all the battleships in their rookie ship. That's the analogy here.
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Vodar 540
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:38:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Vodar 540 wrote:Cost is irrelevant? what is the point of having a currency in the game then i would recommend you just leave this thread because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about and are hell bent on keeping this game from getting anywhere. And my tank does cost more than AV I clearly know a lot more than you. For instance, you're crying that you might have to run away to survive. Whereas AV doesn't have that option. Vehicles outright kill infantry, and they don't have the opportunity to escape. Furthermore, vehicle users can bail from their vehicles and survive, continuing to deny opponents from actually killing them. Vehicles are STILL overpowered today, even with some nerfs to bring them back into line a bit.
Are you completely incompetent there is no turret left in this game that can hit infantry and infantry can take cover vehicles can not. As for you knowing more than me because you have clearly not tried out tanks whereas i have tried both AV and tanks and in my experience it is much easier to take down a vehicle with AV |
Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:42:00 -
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Thread is adorable. A coalescent of all of the worst arguments vehicle users use to justify being overpowered. <3
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Stupid Blueberry
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:44:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Thread is adorable. A coalescent of all of the worst arguments vehicle users use to justify being overpowered. <3
And a completely ignorant cpm who think's they know everything, but in reality knows next to nothing because they spend all day on the forums instead of playing.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Haajakin Kalen.
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Vodar 540
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:46:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Thread is adorable. A coalescent of all of the worst arguments vehicle users use to justify being overpowered. <3
LOL you can not even come up with a solid argument to state your point. Vehicles are not overpowered and you can not prove otherwise |
Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:47:00 -
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Um... we have to limit how many vehicles can be on the field at one time because of how overpowered they are. o_o
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Toobar Zoobar
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:47:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Thread is adorable. A coalescent of all of the worst arguments vehicle users use to justify being overpowered. <3
A CPM should at least try to be somewhat moderately impartial and respectful of others. And not to be too bias.
I see you don't care much for that.
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:48:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Vodar 540 wrote:Cost is irrelevant? what is the point of having a currency in the game then i would recommend you just leave this thread because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about and are hell bent on keeping this game from getting anywhere. And my tank does cost more than AV I clearly know a lot more than you. For instance, you're crying that you might have to run away to survive. Whereas AV doesn't have that option. Vehicles outright kill infantry, and they don't have the opportunity to escape. Furthermore, vehicle users can bail from their vehicles and survive, continuing to deny opponents from actually killing them. Vehicles are STILL overpowered today, even with some nerfs to bring them back into line a bit.
They can hop out and kill you and hop back in and drive off but vehicles are in no means overpowering like you said and those mechanics IMO shouldn't be changed and should be looked at as hap hazard and part of the duty of the AVer in looking out for themselves .
This game is becoming so vanilla and simple and plain , people complain about EQ spam and now players like myself who play solo can't help their team against stacked and q-sync teams who just have to sync pubs just because it's THAT serious .
- Hey , let's go and wreck a pub against a bunch of random players and I hope that their fresh out the academy .... that will show them , make sure that you guys go PRO or go home ... better yet , give them a break and run APEX .. that way we can break their wallet as well as their sprit .
Let's not get into the habit of policing everything so as to take all skill / instinct out of the game .
Most of the people that complain do noting about anything and just wanna sit back on a couch and use their " I-win " and act like that's skill .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Breakin Stuff
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:48:00 -
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This is the most moronic proposal and justification for vehicle balance I have ever seen.
Congratulations.
No, you do not get to be a God upon the battlefield striking dead all who displease you whilst being immune to retaliation.
THIS thread exemplifies a question asked earlier of why there is so much hatred for vehicle users, and why my response was that hatred for vehicles has nothing to do with battlefield performance and everything to do with these forums.
EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
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Stupid Blueberry
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:49:00 -
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We have to limit how many vehicles are on the field so people don't make LAV roadbloacks. If the opposing team is all vehicles and you're playing dom and skirm, you win. It's like you don't even play or something.
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LUGMOS
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:49:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Thread is adorable. A coalescent of all of the worst arguments vehicle users use to justify being overpowered. <3
Alright, this got out of hand fast (surprised it was encited by a CPM O.o)
So let me just say this:
People need to look at their conduct before posting ANYTHING, especially in a stance where people look up to you.
Kinda disappointing that nobody read the rest and just blew hot air out of their ass...
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:50:00 -
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Toobar Zoobar wrote:A CPM should at least try to be somewhat moderately impartial and respectful of others. And not to be too bias.
I see you don't care much for that.
I am shooting down bias and being moderately impartial. :) The OP is outrageously biased and incredibly far off base.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Vodar 540
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:51:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Um... we have to limit how many vehicles can be on the field at one time because of how overpowered they are. o_o
Wow that is actually all you can come up with? They have limited the number off vehicles that can be deployed because it would be overpowered if the tanks were powerfull enough. Which they are not. |
Stupid Blueberry
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:51:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Toobar Zoobar wrote:A CPM should at least try to be somewhat moderately impartial and respectful of others. And not to be too bias.
I see you don't care much for that. I am shooting down bias and being moderately impartial. :) The OP is outrageously biased and incredibly far off base.
Pot calling the kettle black.
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Haajakin Kalen.
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shaman oga
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:51:00 -
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I just want to say, first create (or reintroduce) enjoybale vehicles, then balance AV on those vehicles.
AV must come after vehicles, because without vehicles, AV would be useless.
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:51:00 -
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Vodar 540 wrote: it should not even be conceivable for a sole minmando to take down a ADS.
"Can I please be immune to my counter?"
There was a time when the ADS could literally hover above and ignore a proto swarmer. It wasn't a good time for anyone other than pilots. If you sit and take 3 volleys then wait around long enough for him to reload and volley more, then you've no grounds for complaint. It is not difficult to get out of a swarmer's range. |
Toobar Zoobar
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Posted - 2015.01.12 17:52:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Thread is adorable. A coalescent of all of the worst arguments vehicle users use to justify being overpowered. <3 Alright, this got out of hand fast (surprised it was encited by a CPM O.o) So let me just say this: People need to look at their conduct before posting ANYTHING, especially in a stance where people look up to you. Kinda disappointing that nobody read the rest and just blew hot air out of their ass...
Agreed
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