So you are one of these biased AV people who have no understanding of what it is like to be a pilot then well then i say to you that people like you are the reason why this game is failing to bring in new players

The best advice I can give to vehicle users is to just respect out of them. In a game where infantry can go 60-0 everything is fine but a tanker goes 20-0 there's a serious problem. Let me stress that 20-0 for a tank is pretty rare.

The enforcer tank does not exist anymore notice this tank has lots of modules to manage tanks today are no where near this. Players who did not know how to counter tanks swore up and down that tanks are op and the wave of nerfs just kept coming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5FyD5Nolwo 25-0 with a crew member.

I'm not trying to throw anyone under the bus but balance right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REsKIZedfgE 60-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa9cGNqLomI 40-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrzz32kdKrg 51-2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrzz32kdKrg 44-1

Can we scrap our egos' for the better of the Dust community? I'm tired of watching people acting like they are absolute, perfect, and most intelligent. Thank you.

The first paragraph here is the key point. I used to commonly lose five or six 200k suits trying to kill a single ADS. And failing.

But the reality is costs can be tweaked later, so they're irrelevant for balance. The point is making the gameplay engaging and fun. And vehicles not dying isn't actually fun for anyone.

fortunately I don't care if I'm the most intelligent or correct.

I just call it as I see it.

and if anyone calls me perfect it's time to up the meds.

I'm posting this first before i actually reply.

In all bad, there is good. In all good, there is bad.
Basically i am saying, regardless of how foolish an idea is or sound, a few things in the idea is not a bad thing.

Please, professional at most; respectful at least. The conflict between AV vs Vehicles is becoming stupid and losing its true purpose: balance.

Can we scrap our egos' for the better of the Dust community? I'm tired of watching people acting like they are absolute, perfect, and most intelligent. Thank you.

.......................this game should be more like EVE. Do you agree with that?
In EVE there is no lobby shooter mechanic. You aren't throw into a group of random players in what feels like a closed confined area. It's not like you are thrown into a confined battle arena. Where noobs in rookie ships have to fight vets in battleships.

That's actually this games big flaw. There simply isn't enough room for different players with different play styles to have the freedom to enjoy what they like doing. Pubs don't allow for enough choice. We can't even choose the map.

Personally I just want my vehicles to have real purpose. They don't atm. I wouldn't care if i'm not killing infantry.
And that's the problem the only current way a vehicle can influence a team winning or losing a match is if they kill infantry.
And some infantry don't enjoy having to deal with vehicles. Thus we can all this tension in the community.

If this game were more like EVE...

I realize that calling people idiots and dumbasses is possibly a over reaction but when people come into this thread looking for a fight and not being open minded and do not even bother to comment on the rest of the ideas and recommendations and just insult and shot down any ideas and for some people (i wont name them) use these threads as just a way to argue with the exact same people and that is why the developers will not even bother looking at these threads because all they can expect is bickering and nothing constructive at all and i just get frustrated at people who have just come in looking to stir up a storm and not contribute any thing of worth to the topic. Not to mention i was not biased in the initial post and was not calling for a nerf to AV but a buff to vehicles so that they are of some worth a team and can contribute to attaining victory. So all of the people who just came onto this thread and maybe read the first paragraph then just started pointlessly arguing the same case that they have argued a thousand times before. Do you all not realize that this is pointless? that all you could achieve is winning a pointless argument! My proposals were just to make this game fun everyone and add a bit of depth to it. I really do not know why half the people who post here just want a completely one sided fight. There are actually so few people playing the game know i would struggle to get a pub match within 5 minutes. And my point here a huge amount of players have stopped playing the game because vehicles are just not fun. So all of you who post regularly on these forums who are not really arguing a point anymore at this point it feels like you are just doing it for the sake of. Because you have posted your opinions on many different threads in the past you have nothing left to argue so just stop so that these forums might actually be of some use to the developers.

My problem is the premise of your thread ignores the need for a balance point between "I am an unholy killing machine" and "these guys are actually rigged to rip my balls off, I should be cautious and smart."

Players would cry too much.

"Boo hoo they have 20+ Tanks and Logi Support"

"Boo hoo they attacked outside of my Timer"

"Boo hoo they ganked me in High Sec. Is nowhere safe?"

The best advice I can give to vehicle users is to just respect out of them. In a game where infantry can go 60-0 everything is fine but a tanker goes 20-0 there's a serious problem. Let me stress that 20-0 for a tank is pretty rare.

The enforcer tank does not exist anymore notice this tank has lots of modules to manage tanks today are no where near this. Players who did not know how to counter tanks swore up and down that tanks are op and the wave of nerfs just kept coming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5FyD5Nolwo 25-0 with a crew member.

I'm not trying to throw anyone under the bus but balance right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REsKIZedfgE 60-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa9cGNqLomI 40-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrzz32kdKrg 51-2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrzz32kdKrg 44-1

The problem is not that a tanker goes 30-0. No one is saying Duna has a 50-1 kdr therefore nerf tanks.

The problem is that almost all tankers can go 30-0. As a group vehicle users have the highest kdr by far aside from snipers.

This is why when tankers come here and cry they get no sympathy.

I am one of many vehicle pilots in this game who has kept their silence on this topic for a very long time now.

Fully understandable, i am still silent but i'm preparing for a topic post in about a week or so.

I have finally decided to speak up... my point is that it should not even be conceivable for a SOLE minmando to take down a ADS (with relative ease).

I agree here since a flyby will result in the first volley surely striking. After the increased damage resulting from the +2% damage per level, the possibility of earning damage points is now greater.

And now for tanks vs AV
...incredibly boring as far as modules and capabilities are concerned...

no vehicle diversity, one is capable of knowing the enemy's build just by the hp's (Python 2555 is the most used python build i've seen). ACTIVE modules break this rule nevertheless

They were planning to have a much more EVE like modules and ideas that were amazing and would add huge variety of possible fittings...

they will have to run from AV which should not be the case.

we all agree being able to challenge a tank face to face is absurd. Abusing the environment should be the "right step forward"

Tanks in this game do not bring the fear factor that they should... in dust the mentality for seeing a Ion cannon Madrugar is "okay where is the closest supply depot so i can break out the the swarms and take this guy down completely on my own"

psychology is the main factor. Being able to challenge a vehicle face to face doesn't seem correct however it gives the challenger a sense of power, so it will continue and/or get worse (id est: Chases you all match in a jeep till one dies, his allies get dragged into the fray and then the feeling of "OP" or "Unfair" is the result.) .

the Madrugar needs a () buff because they are just a farce and secondly this should not be the reaction people should have...

i agree. Rather than nerfing the shield vehicles (As nerfing the shield vehicles will offset the plasma cannon or flux, resulting in a chain nerf of AV potential) give armor vehicles a slight buff in ahp, ahp/s, or shield recharge delay.

the form of skirmish should be brought back where there is a attacking and defending and only one MCC trying to get across the battlefield without dying and the attacking team has to shut down the null cannons to allow the MCC to survive.

new game mode idea... Go into details please?

But this was not only a better game mode but also gave vehicles a purpose in the game where a group of tanks could bombard a Null cannon and eventually destroy it .

destroy, rebuild, change damage types.... These kind of sound good for interactive gameplay

Recommendations
add a couple of (vehicle) orientated maps.
DEFINITELY needed. A hybrid map would be the epitome of map design.

- Increase the ability for tanks to withstand constant bombardment from average AV.
face to face fearless = average i believe.

- Remodel the game modes to make vehicles viable
large maps/multi level maps

- Reintroduce weapon variations for both small and large turrets
- Reintroduce Marauder HAVs, Logi DS and LAV
- Reintroduce the variety off modules that used to be in the game and add some new ones.
- New vehicle orientated maps with wide open expanses and no buildings where vehicle transport is needed to achieve (easier) victory
- ... safely deploy vehicles and remove the chance of an DS tapping a RDV and killing it.
- Replace the supply depots so that there is in every game a reachable supply depot for tanks.


...in a game yesterday where the enemy team just sat on top of a building with AV and just stayed there for the entire game and never even tried to take the objective...

Trust me, i know... I made a purpose built dropship to keep them distracted so my team/squad has an easier capture and defend time.

This game has more potential then all other FPS games on the market and if the connection with EVE is utilized properly it could be un-matched in the gaming world.

yes. Definitely. Hope is what keeps me dust'in

LOL. You didn't get past the first paragraph before admitting you think you should be immune to an AV. Nice job. You should never EVER be impossible to take down by a single other player. Ever.

And a completely ignorant cpm who thinks they know everything, but in reality knows next to nothing because they spend all day on the forums instead of playing.

Backing my point up here, I just looked and Soraya has 0 kills or wp for the month of January....

Alright let's bump the swarm launcher cost up to 200k since they should be able to solo a Python. (Remember Pythons are STD so STD Swarms will be 200k. While we're at it we should also make Pythons invisible. See how fast the 1=1 argument deteriorates?

Cost. Is. Revelevent.
Size. Is Relevant.
Indeed what is the point in a currency if cost is irrelevant? Have a go at thinking about that for a second will you.

And balance my friend is what makes games boring. Should I expect to be able to kill a titan in a frigate in EVE? No. No matter how much I shoot at it. I wouldn't even take on a battleship.
The titan not only costs a few million times what a frigate costs, but is also several million times the mass.

If someone who thinks a top end HAV shouldn't be able to tank a militia swarm launcher, started playing EVE, they would probably start whining that they can't kill all the battleships in their rookie ship. That's the analogy here.

i.e. you

Backing my point up here, I just looked and Soraya has 0 kills or wp for the month of January....