I'm going to throw one final design that I have had evaluated. It is possible to penalize one class over the other. So we can do

if scout then worse plate penalty for example.

Another thing is that we are able to focus the penalty on strafing specifically.

So the idea would be to penalize forward movement less on "normal plates", but severely decrease strafe speed, and more on the scout than other classes. Reactives and ferros would not incur these hard penalties.

This would mean Amarr Sentinels become very unwieldy, bastions like they were supposed to be, but weak to being headshotted at range, and brick tanked scouts will always have speed less than equal ehp assaults.

Let the fireworks begin.

IDEA
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You created a secondary 60m scanning ring for vehicles, why not create more of them to reflect different radius of scanning power?

first ring: 5m
120% scanning precision

second ring:10m
100% scanning precision

third ring: 20m
80% scanning precision

I also want to repeat that I am against removing the directional indicator on the red dots on tacnet. The type of scout we want to have in the game (intel, stealth, low combat abilities, low tank) needs to know when to run from cover to cover. If peeking was possible, this would not be an issue. When he or she is running around with 250 EHP it isn't possible to survive even 1 person noticing him/her moving around.

Everyone,

post 1.9 there have been a lot of calls for EWAR changes and I am all for another spin, anything to shake up the meta.


Can't do
Passive Scan sharing with Squad removal is impossible without extensive refactoring work of the whole scan system
Same applies to precision falloff - this is even more complex

I'm going to throw one final design that I have had evaluated. It is possible to penalize one class over the other. So we can do

if scout then worse plate penalty for example.

Another thing is that we are able to focus the penalty on strafing specifically.

So the idea would be to penalize forward movement less on "normal plates", but severely decrease strafe speed, and more on the scout than other classes. Reactives and ferros would not incur these hard penalties.

This would mean Amarr Sentinels become very unwieldy, bastions like they were supposed to be, but weak to being headshotted at range, and brick tanked scouts will always have speed less than equal ehp assaults.

Let the fireworks begin.

I came up with an idea. One of the problems with scouts is that their ewar is so good, and it is always on. I made a post about how I disliked the idea of cloak fields reducing scan range as it cancels out your ewar skills and mods to have it active. THis means you're less likely to use them, and more likely to brick out instead of use things they get bonuses to. What if instead things went like this:

1. Take scout's base ewar range to 10, and increase their profile to 40db.
2. Add a multiplier to scanning range while cloaked, and add a minimum cloak duration (maybe 3 seconds).
3. (optional) Increase cloak dampening by 5% per level

This gives scouts 2 modes. Combat ready and relatively blind, and defenseless ewar mode. You can cloak up to gather information, but to engage an enemy you make yourself blind. A minimum cloak duration prevents quick activation so you can't just get quick pulses of intel, and it encourages use of better cloak fields for scouting. You can possibly scale ewar range bonus to equipment tier, or add different types of cloaks with different modifiers to duration, range, dampening, cooldown etc.

In short, scouts will be encouraged to use their scout cloak field bonus. They can provide intel and be stealthy (what scouts want) but only temporarily. Any scout that wants to be a stealthy brawler can try, but they won't have the massive ewar stats while doing it.

Certainly an interesting idea, and I am sure we could work on it to make it awesome however, what about us scouts that do not use a cloak? Are you forcing all scouts to be cloakers or is this to only apply when a cloak is fitted?

I dislike being forced to use a cloak, it should be a choice just like any piece of equipment is.

Certainly an interesting idea, and I am sure we could work on it to make it awesome however, what about us scouts that do not use a cloak? Are you forcing all scouts to be cloakers or is this to only apply when a cloak is fitted?

I dislike being forced to use a cloak, it should be a choice just like any piece of equipment is.

The plate sig penalty is aimed at scouts .

DO NOT GIVE EXTENDERS A PROFILE PENALTY

It will completely ruin the min scout. I already take half my HP from the fall damage from just JUMPING if I have no HP mods. This change would completely invalidate us. If you're gonna give plates a profile penalty, make it only the non variant plates (same as move speed), though, TBH, I think that doubling the penalties of HP mods on scout suits would be sufficient, if the nerfs that you have in place haven't been enough.

this is the reason I am so adamant about sidearms only scouts for a fix.

Keep taking gun game out of this game. GG. I'm sure skilled players will all appreciate this. FFS.

Or they could always do this:

Negates 18% fall damage per level. (Min scout level 5 would have 90% fall damage reduction.)

It has recently come to my attention that back in July, the last time Rattati made changes to EWAR that in this post: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168249&find=unread

He linked a google sheets page that had profile values.

The numbers for the Amarr Scout and Minmatar Scout when using 2 complex profile dampeners are incorrect.
The Amarr and Minmatar Scouts, according to that page, can overcome a lvl 5 Amarr Scout using 2 Complex Precision Enhancers simply by equipping an equal number of Complex Profile Dampeners.

This is false. The Amarr and Minmatar Scouts need 2 Complex Profile Dampeners and the Ishukone Cloak Field to overcome a lvl 5 Amarr Scout with 2 Complex Precision Enhancers


I am not sure if Rattati is still using this innacurate information to determine his ideas, but the many of these things heavily penalize Minmatar Scouts while penalizing Amarr and Caldari fairly well too. The Gallente Scout is least effected, yet that seems to be the target.

Reminder: Just because someone is an employed developer does not make their ideas sacrosanct.

Plot twist: Extenders and Plates add signature profile

Regarding scan falloff...