In regards to spy uplinks? I'd love to see them be a piece of heavy-only equipment. It helps their point defense role out massively. they become vulnerable on the move, but strong on a fortified position.

Make it function like a cross between a drop uplink and an active scanner, where you'd functionally have 'infinite' of them but they wouldn't be up all the time. Toss out one it picks up anything within say 25m of it for say 30 seconds, with a 1minute cooldown and a limit of 1 active, after that 1 minute you can deploy another.

Everything sounds great with the range change you guys could make the scanner use a snap shot (so turning would have no effect) then alter the scanners long thin and some short wide. When you said passive scan removal did you mean passive scanner because it would probably be a good idea to get rid of it.

Cool idea

Go slow Rattati

Try the added profile to plates and extenders before anything else.


Also, please look into codebreakers, the SP value and the efficacy bonus.

This is my worst nightmare. As if I needed -more- of a reason not to want to run Gallente Logi as it is there are further nerfs being applied? Because we added team-shared vision on them? It's not like the Gal Logi is getting any benefit out of it other then the pure satisfaction that he scanned someone down, there isn't any WP benefit for it and (as has been stated) that isn't something that is likely to change.

The reason is to force the opposing team to run fully damped scouts, therefore having very low ehp.

Reducing the range on the active scanners would murder their use and everyone would just start spamming spy-links instead. 50% reduction is a sledgehammer when a scalpel is needed. We're talking 50m on most scanners (30m on the proximity scanner!!), that's beneath the -optimal range- of a rail-rifle and just outside the optimal of an Assault Rifle. At those ranges, you've either already seen them physically or they're already shooting at you.

This implies you are just scanning for yourself, not being 50 m on the opposite side of an objective and keeping it lit up, Furhtermore, if you want more range, us a flux, but there is a trade-off

Few other points:

All scouts have the capability to get under a Gal Logi's Focused scanners, let alone any of the others. Gal Assault with two complex profile dampeners (I have this exact fit) can get under most scans reliably. If you're being scanned, it's probably because you're not bothering to dampen at all.

Two damps is a hefty demand, esp when scouts have a built in benefit and are vying for the slayer role

Adding profile increase to extenders/plates is contradictory to reducing profile on some suits. Which problem are we trying to solve here?

Pick your poison, overtank and light up, use a recharger instead of a second extender, or use base stats and fully dampen

15m (22.5m) Passive Range has the exact same problem as 10m passive range and the exact same problem with reducing Active Scanner range. At that range, you're already being shot.

passive is through walls, since all modules are % based, scouts exceed lights and heavies faster by having the base higher

Reducing scan duration: Blah, the angles are already abyssmal and the current duration doesn't allow for a much better.

Angles, I believe should stay the same or wider actually. These narrow angles are difficult to use.

Or if you meant Visibility Duration: Why? Is 5 seconds (CreoDron Active Scanner) honestly too long?

5 seconds is a long time to know where everyone is, currently its way to high in the matches, especially with overlapping scans from 2 logis

Gal/Logi Cloak/Scout seriously needs an overhaul. It -cannot- be a one or the other scenario. Having situations that are so binary, where either a Scout can always have the capability to not be scanned or always will be scanned no matter what is terrible gameplay.

That's the baseline we established. And as I explained, can not be changed to falloff. Saying it again won't make it work.

Focused Scanner. 18 PG, 60 degree scan angle, 5 second visibility, and a 40 second cooldown are all the reasons I need to tell you why this isn't overpowered even at the team level and that's not even mentioning the binary situation above.

I believe it's far too powerful to share

Snapshot scanners are a terrible idea because it's useless information; it tells you where they were when Scout passive scans can tell you where they -are-. This change would annihilate their use as well.

Don't understand this.

The gist here is that it cannot be binary and there always has to be a level of uncertainty. It should -not- be a 100% 'you will be scanned' or 100% 'you defeated the scanner' situation and I think we need to think outside of the box on how to arrive at that solution. (((EDIT: Ignore this, lost train of thought mid-way through paragraph:The easiest solution to this is to exaggerate the numbers and make them more profound (0-100 range instead of 15 - 60).))) Team Variant Active Scanners with higher precision (60/55/50) separate of Squad Scanners which retain their current viability.

EWAR Ideas here seem to be swayed in the wrong direction, IMO. Every single suggestion here is a stealth buff to Scouts.

I have no idea what this means and it seems that I would probably disagree with it

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Easy to do
Remove all directional information about the enemy - Enemies can be pure circles without the arrow.

Could do
Commando should have better sig profile (-5) than Sentinel, Sentinel has better precision (+5) - skirmisher vs point defense
Assault should have better sig profile (-5) than Logi, Logi has better precision (+5)
Plot twist: Extenders and Plates add signature profile
Spy uplinks - std only heavies, adv only mediums+, pro scouts+, this is to be able to use "motion sensors" to set up a defense in PC
Reduce ultra range of Active Scanners by 50% - no reason for a fully skilled logi to see the whole battle field
Put all frames at same passive ranges at 15, otherwise amplifiers are just too good for scouts and useless for others
STD Active scanner only sees STD Deployables, and so forth, Proximity AV Mines - get much better if they can't be seen, same with uplinks.
Reduce Scan duration across the board
Hand in hand - Gallogi/Cloak and Stealth Scout changes - can be isolated
Focused Scanner should be set at share with Squad only

But they're not -going- to run fully dampened Scouts. They have no reason to when you apply changes like reduction to scan duration/scan range/etc. Think about it for a second... A Gal Logi with a Focused Scanner is what it takes to force a scout into prof damp mode; but the problem is that he can only do it for 5 seconds (or less, depending on these changes) and then he has to wait 40 seconds for the cool-down. Sure, there's an edge case for overlapping Gal Logi's but what does your data say about the spawn ratio of Duvolle Focused Active Scanners lately? I use them and I find them insanely difficult to deal with because I'm constantly having to flip through them, which means less time with a weapon in my hand to defend myself or my team.

And sure, two damps is a hefty demand but if Assaults suddenly can start beating Prototype Active Scanners on a Gal Logi with just -one- dampener, my prediction is that the Gal Logi is down and out in any competitive play. Assaults don't need lower profile to make them competitive slayers and you're likely not going to encourage people into the Assault-Slayer role by changing that when Scouts are inherently better at it as is.

As far as the Snapshot Scanners, from what I am to understand, it's scanning the enemy and then having their icon stay in place instead of following them like it does now. Which is bad because, as I explained, Passive Scans would -immediately- take priority because they would actively follow the target instead of revealing where he was 5 seconds (or less, based on what happens with thread) ago.

What I meant by that last sentence is that all of these changes (apart from the increased profile on plates/extenders) looks like a suggestion to nerf Active Scanners, which by default means that we have less tools to actively find problem Scouts. A stealth buff, if you will. If we can't change the scan mechanics then someone has to bite the bullet and it looks like it's the Gal Logi... and that expressly disappoints me.

Making the Focused scanner better needs to come with squad only. We knew bringing back shared team scans would shake up the meta, and we are trying to react to everyone being permascanned. Please be patient and try to work with us on a better experience. The main point is to reduce the difference between max damp and no damp, and allow players to customize their EWAR capabilities. I would love to run a single damp, and know I am avoiding 50% of lazy scans.

PC is just another story. Everyone is running max specialization and it always becomes binary. 1% advantage means everyone uses it, not just a few. That's just how hardcore competition is, in any game.

introducing a new bonus to Profile Dampeners: Scanned Down Duration -xx%, [...] It will also allow for profile dampeners to have a use even when their primary function fails, reducing the feeling that the modules are useless as soon as there are high level scanners being used.

CCP Rattati, I think rather that forcing us to either damp or scan by role, you should instead look at tanks.

Since precision enhancers take up high slots, and damps take low slots, in each role some races will be at a clear disadvantage with their choice of tank.
Armor Assaults will be at a disadvantage trying to hide, shield Logis will be at a disadvantage trying to scan, etc'.

But if you look at tanks...
Since you normalized the range of all suits to 15m, that means with scanning V I could get 21m of range without fitting range amps.
That means I have a higher incentive to fit precision enhancers than I did before, creating a use for an otherwise useless module for Gallente Assaults.
You could even move range amps to high slots, but I'm not sure what that would do to scouts and their meta.
If you incentivize it even further by making the EWAR bonuses race specific rather than role specific (Amarr -5 precision, Gallente +5m range, Caldari and Minmatar -5 profile), then that would be even better.


This would mean that Caldari and Minmatar Assaults would often damp, while Gallente and Amarr Assaults would often be scanning, creating a hunter/hunted cycle with EWAR without even having scouts or scanners involved.