This is extremely short sighted.

When the only use a needle has in everyday DUST is if a player that goes down presses a button then patiently waits?

revive opportunities won't just be a "Small drop"

There will be literally no reason to run a needle on the average mercenary suit with these changes... Logically it will make no sense for anyone that isn't in direct communication or can only fit this one item...

After a while it will just be an item that no one fits.... It already is nearly there.


Adverse to if it was -1 death.... It would do nothing but add to the game and make needles a legitimate form of gameplay that benefits everyone that plays DUST. And has the added benefit that it actually makes sense.

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I prefer GÇ£Revive-MeGÇ¥ to be automatically ON all the time, but that the incapacitated player have a brief chance to turn off that blinking icon before GÇ£medicsGÇ¥ even see her as needing assistance.

I think denyrevive is terrible, from all standpoints. Why would a human being ever decline a revive? Also, teasing a logi by having him run over, put himself in danger and then refuse is disrespectful.

If you want to picked up, you ask for it.

I think denyrevive is terrible, from all standpoints. Why would a human being ever decline a revive? Also, teasing a logi by having him run over, put himself in danger and then refuse is disrespectful.

If every Dust player now has to hit a button to even get picked up or to even have the option to get picked up all of DUST will suffer.

Your Clone doesn't technically belong to you... It belongs to the team as a whole.

When your clone gets picked up off the floor, You didn't loose a clone... therefore your deaths should be -1.


When Mercenaries are no longer pressing a revive button there will be no point in ever fitting a Nanite Injector. Making The "Needle" Obsolete in the game of DUST.

This will hurt the Logi class, Teamwork, Immersion, tactics, gameplay... And clutch games that come down to clone counts(Skirm,Dom).


It screaaaams of it being a giant LAZY fix for an issue we have had since Beta..... Please.... Pleaseee..... Figure out another option.


This fix I fear will do more harm to the whole of the game to help an individual feel better about their K/D.

Its crazy.

If every Dust player now has to hit a button to even get picked up or to even have the option to get picked up all of DUST will suffer.

Your Clone doesn't technically belong to you... It belongs to the team as a whole.

When your clone gets picked up off the floor, You didn't loose a clone... therefore your deaths should be -1.


When Mercenaries are no longer pressing a revive button there will be no point in ever fitting a Nanite Injector. Making The "Needle" Obsolete in the game of DUST.

This will hurt the Logi class, Teamwork, Immersion, tactics, gameplay... And clutch games that come down to clone counts(Skirm,Dom).


It screaaaams of it being a giant LAZY fix for an issue we have had since Beta..... Please.... Pleaseee..... Figure out another option.


This fix I fear will do more harm to the whole of the game to help an individual feel better about their K/D.

Its crazy.

I love this change. Sure, there will be a small drop in the number of revive opportunities, but those who do request help will be fully committed to the process. In my opinion, this is an extremely fair resolution.

People that hate needles say a lot about their overall view of teamwork. 100% needles with a squad plus of your own peeps is OP.

I'll take a revive around a contested objective 100% of the time. Even if the enemy waits to shoot me after my revive, they aren't shooting my teammates that are doing work at the objective.

What about all the isk your logi class (not you personally) has xost me over the years just for 60 wp. If you guys would kill the threat first you would get another 50 wp .

^This.

The change will essentially "buff teamwork."

As fewer and fewer mercs call for revives due to a erroneous fascination with KDR/epeen
the merc who are focused on the win and even more so those who are actively in squads
will hold a larger mechanical advantage than they already do.

The net effect of this change is that a coordinated squad (and to a much lessor extent even a team
oriented solo player) will hold more effective value on the field than they do at present.

My advice is to squad quickly, squad often, and squad with folks who understand teamwork
and that includes the tactical value of being revived. Those who do not are likely to face
consistently harder matches in the days to come.

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If every Dust player now has to hit a button to even get picked up or to even have the option to get picked up all of DUST will suffer.

Your Clone doesn't technically belong to you... It belongs to the team as a whole.

When your clone gets picked up off the floor, You didn't loose a clone... therefore your deaths should be -1.


When Mercenaries are no longer pressing a revive button there will be no point in ever fitting a Nanite Injector. Making The "Needle" Obsolete in the game of DUST.

This will hurt the Logi class, Teamwork, Immersion, tactics, gameplay... And clutch games that come down to clone counts(Skirm,Dom).


It screaaaams of it being a giant LAZY fix for an issue we have had since Beta..... Please.... Pleaseee..... Figure out another option.


This fix I fear will do more harm to the whole of the game to help an individual feel better about their K/D.

Its crazy.

It's all about choice. You guys that are against it I don't understand. If I can clearly see that I died, and was too far behind enemy lines I'm not going to request assistance. Some guys will pick you up for their own warpoints knowing full well they have not secured a successful rez by killing the enemy in the area. Is that not the same thing as guys who covet their kd? There are some logi wh*re's in this game that will rep you with bs rep tools, rez you with sh!t needles, and will bring militia nanohives to a gun fight for the points and isk?! I don't want some amateur rezzing me and getting me isnta-killed multiple times?! I should be able to make that choice. If I equip a needle, and no request help cool. I die less trying to get there.

Same goes for vehicle locks. There should be an option to lock and unlock vehicles at will. Simple.

I am pro choice when it comes to this game. Things that force me to play a certain way is why I don't play other games. I shouldn't be forced to get picked up in sh!tty situations because some novice is running the medic starter fit?! I shouldn't be forced to deal with some academy graduate riding around in my tank because I can't kick him.

I don't know why logis with absolutely no intention of shooting anyone want to pick guys up anyway?! Something killed that guy, and there's a good chance he still around. That's why I run my needle on commandos and assaults. So I can eliminate the threat then protect my teammate once I rez him. I'm rocking 600-1100 ehp on those dropsuits. Not 400 or less?! If you're not gonna shoot don't rock needles!

I think denyrevive is terrible, from all standpoints. Why would a human being ever decline a revive? Also, teasing a logi by having him run over, put himself in danger and then refuse is disrespectful.

If you want to picked up, you ask for it.

I Have been a Logi for well over a year in this game. I usually pull crazy war points in any match I play, whether it's a squad or just solo running Logi and supporting who ever is in front of me.

One thing I have learned as running as purely support(Not a slayer) for well over a year of playing this class.

Logistics facilitate fun and memorable moments in DUST 514.

Whether it is that fire fight stalemate that one side progresses and slowly overcomes, Or the Nanite injector scramble... as logi's on opposite sides try and keep people picked up, repaired and ammoed up to break a gunfire stalemate between two sides.

The best times I have had playing DUST are when Support and Logi's actually work, it adds an element to this game that nothing else can or does... It creates memorable moments that i can recall a year later and bring up in conversations with friends who where there...

These needle changes that are purposed will do nothing but hurt my entire class that I am passionate about. This isn't about an elitists idea of not wanting a to be picked up, it's about the team and playing at all costs for the win. I have won at least 50+ Ambushes because of picking up everyone I can, keeping them repaired and nanohives down, I have received a many of Eve-mails from players appreciating the work and the fact that a well supported team can beat entire squads of "Elite" Corporations.

Most often i get 1-2 hours a day max that I can engage in recreation, as working and paying taxes become more of my responsibility, I only have a few hours to play in the best case scenario and often don't have time to get on DUST and spend 20mins-1hour+ looking for a squad that communicates with Mic's and are onboard to pushing a revive button and then waiting for me to get to them.

The mere idea that you can subject the entire player base(Who are mostly casual) to this giant nerf on needles and team gameplay for the sake of a broken mechanic that everyone has known about for almost 2 years? Seems surreal... Why would you screw everyone over for the sake of a few? Why not just let everyone benefit for an amazing game mechanic and the situations it will create, rather then learning to loathe and hate the nerf that they gave the item(For the umpteenth time) That never needed to happen.

Please think of the big picture and what each scenario actually adds to the game of DUST 514, Rattati.

We'd like to continue to encourage CCP to change the way deaths are recorded, so being revived does not count against players as a "death", since their clone was not terminated. We'd also like to continue to encourage CCP to implement additional WP for finishing off an incapacitated clone, and a change of the injector mechanic to an accept/reject mechanic so players can decide whether or not to accept a revive if they're under fire or being camped by a griefer.

These are all things on my personal list, at least, and several other CPMs support some or all of these concepts.

Too much wimpy Logi revived me and I died crap... Comando Needle is the way, you revive a guy right where he's been shot & you stand between the squishy noob that died and the guy shooting, giving him time to get up and run to safety...

This is the way of the Commandddoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... Yes this is a thing now... I'm making it a thing!

Remove K/D.

Replace with Isk Destroyed/Isk Lost.

Suddenly the entire meta of DUST changes.

Too much value is placed on K/D by tryhard corps and because of this the most valuable support roles and the people who are best at them will forever be relegated to crap roles.

Most tryhard corps require a minimum k/d.

I'll take 15 new people willing to learn over a buncha retards who stat pad to protect their e-peen any day.

KDR has no value in a combined arms TEAM game. But entirely too much value is assigned to it.

Remove K/D.

Replace with WP/D.

Suddenly the entire meta of DUST changes.

Too much value is placed on K/D by tryhard corps and because of this the most valuable support roles and the people who are best at them will forever be relegated to crap roles.

Most tryhard corps require a minimum k/d.

I'll take 15 new people willing to learn over a buncha retards who stat pad to protect their e-peen any day.

KDR has no value in a combined arms TEAM game. But entirely too much value is assigned to it.