I've been playing all day today, I've seen scans deployed in 4 matches total (2 of which were by my squad upon request for same). My squad has been using revives with the same efficacy as ever during these matches as well and beyond that I have somewhere in the mid teens when it comes to "blue dots revived".

The Logi need some real love, they needed ti before this change, and they need it after.
Same story with the injector, the major elements of the situation haven't been impacted by this single alteration.



For those keeping score at home I actually agree with this statement.

There are likely better options and more elegant ways to address the situation, there are also far more significant aspects of support, logistics, injectors, revives etc to address than the "request" sub issue.

Any chance we can focus on the big stuff first and revisit this later if it seems necessary once the long standing persistent issues are resolved? I am all for discussion but this honestly seems like more of a distraction than a discussion.
If we revert these changes, and yet still have the many bugs linked to revives they won't be in a solid state.
Maybe I'm alone in this but that seems like a rather high price to pay for the trivial time involved in a single extra push of a button.

The best Logi's in the game get 3-6k+ war points and kill maybe 2 people.... Better ones sit at 0/0 with 5200+ war points. Those players win matches. Period.

No player that plays this game knows 100% where the enemy is, Or if they are coming around a corner while your engaging your nanite injector... It doesn't matter how good you are at this game. The mere fact that this is such a huge issue for nearly every player that has something negative to say about nanite injectors should prove more then enough that it is the way Neede mechanics have worked in this game... Not the action of being picked up.

The scenario's where your have Newbies running around and picking team mates up to gain war points and level up is done in many FPS's... Planetside 2 for example... New players are encouraged to go medic and support their team as they start to learn the game and gain XP. They run around and pick people up and repair them... This adds to the entire game, Makes huge epic fire fights... Creates lasting friendships and acquaintances and truly added to the feeling that the Battlefield... Is a battlefield.

Battlefield franchise does the same thing with picking up team mates. -1 death.. Adds to the entire game... Creates avenues new players can contribute without being one of the best slayers, days or even months into the title..

-1 death adds to games. with countless examples and working ones right now... Allowing you to revive all your team mates all the time., Adds to the entire match and game... In DUST it goes one step further... It makes Sense with the story of the game.



"Amateur's rezzing" you, would be generally a benefit for all parties. Instead "Screw everyone rezzing me" Which only will ever benefit a small group of players at the expense of the overall gameplay.

Oh the REASONS for the thing are valid. The idiocy of how most revives happen is truly some straight up special education crap right there.

Arguing KDR as having value other than for ego stroking is the long and short of my problem here.

As fun as it was to make people scream, needlef*cking needed to get dumped. Off to find the next broken mechanics to bring to CCP's attention.

Getting the game fixed one mad pubbie at a time.

Holy shitte! Logi Bros haven't even listed any of the actual problems here. They just want free reign to war point farm, and that's why no one is listening?! You sound like tankers, pilots, and snipers right now?!

"Gimme back my crutch because as f-ed up as it was mechanically I benefited so screw everyone else"

No complaints from you lot about the broken mechanics of the needle as Cross Atu, and so many others have pointed out?! Ya know, the ghost needle, the rolling body that can't be revived, or the slow revival mechanic that allows you to be on the revive objective far too long! Nope! Just let me run wild in ambush with other mercs k/d.

I have yet to actually play 1.9 as it is currently downloading, and I've been in the field for a week. I'm sure with time mercs will adjust to the way this new mechanic works, and start requesting pickups more often. Especially if they're in expensive suits! Before we condemn this new option to not be insta-killed by the combined efforts of bad amateur team mates and the red team. Can we let the devs fix the rest of the needle issues, and see if that will help?

Once the real issues, which none of you mentioned, are gone mercs will probably be willing to let you rez them. Also, this is now a two merc observation now. The downed merc knows what kind of situation he was in when he went down. Calling for help in a full blown death trap will probably just get another merc killed trying to get him up. Consider that as well logis.

Now you and the downed merc can both quickly assess the situation. Respect his observation of the situation. If he hits the "get me bro" button that's exactly what he is doing for you! As for me I am not a merc that cares much about k/d so just for you logibros I will be button mashing with the best of em, and carrying 80-100% needles on my proto commando and assault!

We will sort it out guys. This is a good thing overall give it time. o7

why not remove the "score penalty" and add a refuse revive button. much better solution.

What happens when you get needled before you tap that reject button

If every Dust player now has to hit a button to even get picked up or to even have the option to get picked up all of DUST will suffer.

Your Clone doesn't technically belong to you... It belongs to the team as a whole.

When your clone gets picked up off the floor, You didn't loose a clone... therefore your deaths should be -1.


When Mercenaries are no longer pressing a revive button there will be no point in ever fitting a Nanite Injector. Making The "Needle" Obsolete in the game of DUST.

This will hurt the Logi class, Teamwork, Immersion, tactics, gameplay... And clutch games that come down to clone counts(Skirm,Dom).


It screaaaams of it being a giant LAZY fix for an issue we have had since Beta..... Please.... Pleaseee..... Figure out another option.


This fix I fear will do more harm to the whole of the game to help an individual feel better about their K/D.

Its crazy.

R.I.P. needles, I have had 0 chances to revive anyone yet. Welcome to Scans 514.

Its your fault CCP, we offered better fixes that would add to this game, but instead your funneling logis away from medic roles and forcing us into slayer roles.

needle change already effected the game negativly.. alot more matches are lost due to being cloned out cause noobs dont press X soon as they drop.

I definitely would prefer an accept/reject revive button, as I've said many times.

Though this is better than doing nothing. The way nanite injectors previously worked is arguably a form of abusive gameplay, because it allowed other players to effectively take control of your character.

I'm not fond of the vehicle locking feature at all, and I do make that clear to CCP when possible. At least, the extent that it makes it hard for me to allow passengers to come with me without wasting precious deployment time.

Players absolutely need to be able to decide whether or not they can be picked up though.