Heat increase? Dear God why?

As far as only being able to get two swarms to kill themselves it's a nerf to give you a chance, not automatically make using buildings instantly successful. I'm glad that they are working to reduce the incoming fire.

Your point about pythons and incubi being differently tanked is a bit misleading. Even though you can fit more HP on the Incubus, both ADS still require the same number of shots to terminate.

In my case, that's three shots for both vehicles. I have found no exceptions to this rule.

Derrith can I have your input on something, please?

I want to get this idea to gain in popularity: Scrubbing swarms. Let's say there was a way to make swarms lose tracking through a scrubbing motion or by making them bend beyond their ability to turn. How do you feel about the idea and how could we go about balancing it?

I find it boring when I am forced to sit out for 45 seconds waiting for my hardners to come back before getting back into the fight, only the be instantly chased away again by the same swarmer that I cannot find. If instead I was able to scrub the missiles I would actually be doing something other then sitting and waiting to re-engage.

The heat increase is because its heat build up per second and not per shot. That means small rails will overheat faster due to the slower rate of fire. Rattati has beeing warned about it but choosed to ignore. If i recall correctly some 1 advised him to lower the heat build it in exchange of the lower rate of fire so that the same amount of rounds could be fired.

You mean techniques to make swarms go off target? Perhaps, but I honestly don't know how you'd go about this, so I'm afraid I cannot any decent insight. I do enjoy the idea however, would give us more to do than duck behind a building and hope for the best.

What if swarms were actually stronger but they could only turn X amount of degrees total (from launched position) before they could no longer turn and fly off straight? It would mean higher requirement from swarm launcher and give the DS pilot something to do other then slam the ceiling, or duck and wait.

If it were just me, I would also add a warning beep for the DS pilot when the swarms are 100 meters away.
(100 meters is just for argument's sake, I just mean a short distance, not launch distance. I specifically would NOT want the beep to occur at any lock range, but rather 3 seconds before imminent impact).

Did you run into any CalSentinel forgers? If so how did that go? I imagine not well since you won't be able to fire fast enough to actually harm them.

I like the warning idea, but I'd rather just tank the swarm shots as they are now instead of having to do some weird yoda crap to avoid it.

It's not that I don't like the idea, using agility techniques to shake off swarms is an excellent proposition, but currently swarms are painful, I don't like pain.

If you managed 16/0 on your second match, sounds like you're still more than adequately powerful, given the extreme rarity I can get anywhere NEAR doing 16/0 on the ground. o_O

Glad to hear you actually lost a dropship in a pub match. Hotfix working as intended.

If you managed 16/0 on your second match, sounds like you're still more than adequately powerful, given the extreme rarity I can get anywhere NEAR doing 16/0 on the ground. o_O

Glad to hear you actually lost a dropship in a pub match. Hotfix working as intended.

But Derrith is a beast on the ground too. Should we nerf all the stuff he uses because you can't reproduce his results?

But Derrith is a beast on the ground too. Should we nerf all the stuff he uses because you can't reproduce his results?

...this speaks more to your abilities, not ADS balance..

Definitely. Went 37/1 in the last week or so (can't remember when exactly) in a STD CalSent with STD HMG, but that apparently isn't OP, even though it cost 13k ISK. There is no substitute for skill (not SP; actual skill.)

5) due to the increase of acceleration and speed of swarms, ducking behind a building is pretty useless, even with the homing nerf, I can probably get maybe two to hit the side of a building if I'm lucky.

After flying a few matches in Delta, I've returned with a decent speculation and data on the ADS, and what went horribly wrong with it.

My first match I played on the twin towers map. I called her in about 1/4 of the way through the match, got six kills, then came three mexicans (they were in a Latino corp) with AV to camp on said towers.

two of them were forges, bad ones at that, one was a swarmer. There was also a rammer after me, but he failed miserably.

After they had set up camping on the towers I was completely useless. They managed to shoot me down once, but I, being the yolfswag guy I am, called in a second one, only to be forced back to the red by the rammer, whom I shot down.


And even with being rendered completely useless because of over AV, I still got hate mail (score one for weakened pilots baby)!

Anyway, second match I played infinitely more cautious. I even used my pilot suit (rail rifle and two range amps works wonders). dropped 16-0 despite being hounded by militia swarms wherever I turned, which is not to say we're still OP.

The swarmers were poorly positioned, I also had buildings to hide behind, add to the fact that they were militia kind of helped, even though they were spaced no less than 20 meters from each other at one point.

Anyway, my review:

1) I did not see any reduction to PG/CPU or price of small turrets, and I checked.

2) The python bonus, as I predicted, is complete and utter crap, the incubus can hold more tank and even fit a better AB than the python, and all I have to sacrifice for it is a little ROF (.18 ROF, to be exact).

3) nerfing the ROF on incubus by that much, also useless. and there was also a heat increase, only 7 shots were able to come out when I used it, and it overheated.

4) I will say that AB cooldown is not as bad as I predicted, it's still pretty bad though.

5) due to the increase of acceleration and speed of swarms, ducking behind a building is pretty useless, even with the homing nerf, I can probably get maybe two to hit the side of a building if I'm lucky.

Anyway, that's the review.

Definitely. Went 37/1 in the last week or so (can't remember when exactly) in a STD CalSent with STD HMG, but that apparently isn't OP, even though it cost 13k ISK. There is no substitute for skill (not SP; actual skill.)

Was it theoretically possible to kill the CalSent?