DUST Search - Review for ADS post delta

SoTa Senpai wrote:

Derrith Erador wrote:

ReGnYuM wrote:

Derrith how old are you?

When you learn the difference between subjective and objective, you can come back and actually give meaningful feedback. The Feedback section is a place to make the game better

Lets excuse the blatant racist remarks and overall ego trip that is your thread, and try to look at your feedback.

Game One:

I really don't see a problem. Four players (if you include the gorgan pilot) dedicated their roles to making you useless. How is a 4:1 ratio or even a 3:1 unbalanced to ADS pilots; especially when those players where using a hard counter towards your vehicle. I am sorry you can't drop those 20 and 30 bombs anymore Sad

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Game Two:

You went 16-0... Even the opposing team switched up to counter you... militia or not.

CCP don't even waste your time on this trash.

blatant racism? I'm latino myself, I can get away with saying that.

And I'm also sorry, that I've blown you up more times in PC than you've had kills.

Oh and hate to break to your heart, but I just came out of PC against Dust Brasil ringing for NAE, dropped 20-2, so thanks for your concern, but I'm not dead yet

Could you at least attempt to reasonably respond to his post? He clearly writes out what his problem with your OP was, and you completely ignore it to derail everything into a troll bickering contest. Stay on point as he did and try to keep away from the flashy words like 'racism'

And he's pretty much has you, this thread is pointless.

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Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 28	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:00:00 - [121] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Vulpes, what you're shrugging off as "navigation mishaps" is the primary limitation of swarms. Around a city socket, you can assume half of all swarms will miss. And swarms should be the best AV weapon, theoretically, since they completely sacrifice anti-infantry capability, unlike the forge. Again I kill people in my swarm suit all the time you do not sacrifice much anti infantry. You just sound like another whiner.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 28	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:01:00 - [122] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Demandred Moores wrote: I killed most everything with swarms and av Nades pre update. Again your personal skull is not a bases for balancing hard numbers. Thankfully, the game was balanced for Hotfix Delta based on hard numbers and statistics, not my personal skill. :) Then why do you keep using them in your argument when all things point to the Nerf and buff breaking ads?
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3714	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:06:00 - [123] - Quote We're both discussing our personal opinions, really. The fact that the ADS was statistically OP isn't really debatable. It's a fact. But we don't have statistics yet for Delta, so there's no facts to be had yet. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 695	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:08:00 - [124] - Quote Where is the rest of the CPM? I only see this nimrod who is mad because he's not very good at the game.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3716	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:11:00 - [125] - Quote Cross and IWS have both been posting actively on the forums today. Judge is unfortunately unavailable right now, which sucks. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 28	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:13:00 - [126] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: We're both discussing our personal opinions, really. The fact that the ADS was statistically OP isn't really debatable. It's a fact. But we don't have statistics yet for Delta, so there's no facts to be had yet. I did agree with that earlier, it was op. But It Is The Worst Thing IN THE Game Now Based On Sp Spent vs. Effectiveness and this unique aspect of the game is why many people even still play. Not all by any means but you can see what I'm getting at. I Shouldn't be capable of going 30-3 in a bpo and lose every ads I call in while killing four to ten. I lost more money than before the price was reduced and could hardly break even on kd flying. I was paid to fly in pc ive done it for a while.
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 697	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:13:00 - [127] - Quote I've seen some posts but nothing in here regarding ADS. I am not a pilot but I am an avid forge gunner who likes a challenge. These ADS changes have turned AV into EZmode.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 28	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:16:00 - [128] - Quote Dust User wrote: Where is the rest of the CPM? I only see this nimrod who is mad because he's not very good at the game. Ty, he obviously needs to go play destiny.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3175	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:28:00 - [129] - Quote Test 1, ADS TTK complete: Findings posted at this thread: Wisdom, B**ches
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3717	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:30:00 - [130] - Quote Demandred Moores wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: We're both discussing our personal opinions, really. The fact that the ADS was statistically OP isn't really debatable. It's a fact. But we don't have statistics yet for Delta, so there's no facts to be had yet. I did agree with that earlier, it was op. But It Is The Worst Thing IN THE Game Now Based On Sp Spent vs. Effectiveness and this unique aspect of the game is why many people even still play. Not all by any means but you can see what I'm getting at. I Shouldn't be capable of going 30-3 in a bpo and lose every ads I call in while killing four to ten. I lost more money than before the price was reduced and could hardly break even on kd flying. I was paid to fly in pc ive done it for a while. Effectiveness for the ISK cost is actually something CCP can determine with the aforementioned statistics. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2911	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:36:00 - [131] - Quote Direct CPM response in this thread was requested, I quote my reply from another thread on this subject. Cross Atu wrote: My views are in process as I am currently observing ongoing testing here. Based on numbers prior to Delta changes were warranted, whether the Delta changes were too much or too little will be ascertained via testing and in game data gathering and adjustments will be advocated for and made as warranted. Cheers, Cross Cheers, Cross See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2716	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:42:00 - [132] - Quote You know, it's great how you all have become such good friends with all your banter and playful kittens, but I just made a new thread, with results, so feel free to hop off this and take a look at it. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4199	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:51:00 - [133] - Quote Testing the delta numbers will demonstrate the veracity of the various assertions here. I don't pretend to have much of a sample size of playtime on Delta yet, but I am listening to both sides and Derrith has my ear, as well as anyone who wishes to get a hold of me. Knowing the bloated KDR of the ADS prior to Delta I'm confident a nerf was in order for the ADS in some way (module and/or turret and/or hull), I also know swarms were almost useless as solo AV compared to a forge or rail tank or especially rail incubus as I could demonstrably avoid swarms very easily unless they were putting multiple swarmers in one place and firing in unison the first time. Anything else and I would just AB away and/or avoid the area. Espy's sarcastic tone aside (really brah, you might be taken seriously if you drop the attitude) his assertion that all the changes may have been overkill, which will mean a couple of small tweaks to make ADS a bit better assuming swarms are in a good place. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2716	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:00:00 - [134] - Quote ooooh my, such big strong, important peoples in my own thread. I think I should lay out some cookies and milk for my guests. Anyone want some cheetos too? The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 176	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:04:00 - [135] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: We're both discussing our personal opinions, really. The fact that the ADS was statistically OP isn't really debatable. It's a fact. But we don't have statistics yet for Delta, so there's no facts to be had yet. Dont say it was op,nothings absolute. In some scenarios it may be op but in others like small maps its nowhere near op. Just look at some of the small maps, redline installations reach you no matter where youre at, so some maps are unplayabe in an ads.
medomai grey WarRavens Capital Punishment. 986	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:06:00 - [136] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: ooooh my, such big strong, important peoples in my own thread. I think I should lay out some cookies and milk for my guests. Anyone want some cheetos too? o/ What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3717	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:19:00 - [137] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: We're both discussing our personal opinions, really. The fact that the ADS was statistically OP isn't really debatable. It's a fact. But we don't have statistics yet for Delta, so there's no facts to be had yet. Dont say it was op,nothings absolute. In some scenarios it may be op but in others like small maps its nowhere near op. Just look at some of the small maps, redline installations reach you no matter where youre at, so some maps are unplayabe in an ads. It was factually OP. It really isn't a debatable thing. The statistics are staggering, and CCP Rattati lays it down here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2371528#post2371528 and here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2361400#post2361400 I wish the actual numbers were public, but the fact that they aren't does not make them less true. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 176	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:30:00 - [138] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: We're both discussing our personal opinions, really. The fact that the ADS was statistically OP isn't really debatable. It's a fact. But we don't have statistics yet for Delta, so there's no facts to be had yet. Dont say it was op,nothings absolute. In some scenarios it may be op but in others like small maps its nowhere near op. Just look at some of the small maps, redline installations reach you no matter where youre at, so some maps are unplayabe in an ads. It was factually OP. It really isn't a debatable thing. The statistics are staggering, and CCP Rattati lays it down here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2371528#post2371528 and here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2361400#post2361400 I wish the actual numbers were public, but the fact that they aren't does not make them less true. Dropships take 3 forge hits to down so just get a buddy and only 1 of you has to get 2 shots on him. Swarms i admit are underpowered bit i dont think theyll ever be op to dropships, because they come at you the same way everytime so you get used to it. Now with the rof nerf dropship battles are nonexistent dropship/tank battles are nonexistent. I can still kill infantry just fine but man you guys when you balance you do not see the big picture because you dont play the role. So balance it only around infantry whatever.
Gabriella Grey THE HANDS OF DEATH 162	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:32:00 - [139] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Demandred Moores wrote: I killed most everything with swarms and av Nades pre update. Again your personal skull is not a bases for balancing hard numbers. Thankfully, the game was balanced for Hotfix Delta based on hard numbers and statistics, not my personal skill. :) Maybe if you join a thread and go against what the community you are oblivious to the issue. *Always Grey Skies* Leader of the Alpaca Commandos
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 31	Posted - 2014.09.25 23:38:00 - [140] - Quote Gabriella Grey wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Demandred Moores wrote: I killed most everything with swarms and av Nades pre update. Again your personal skull is not a bases for balancing hard numbers. Thankfully, the game was balanced for Hotfix Delta based on hard numbers and statistics, not my personal skill. :) Maybe if you join a thread and go against what the community you are oblivious to the issue. You mean the few who whine here as apposed to the majority that shut up and play the game? Smh

Gabriella Grey THE HANDS OF DEATH 162	Posted - 2014.09.26 00:15:00 - [141] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Kaeru Nayiri wrote: Derrith can I have your input on something, please? I want to get this idea to gain in popularity: Scrubbing swarms. Let's say there was a way to make swarms lose tracking through a scrubbing motion or by making them bend beyond their ability to turn. How do you feel about the idea and how could we go about balancing it? I find it boring when I am forced to sit out for 45 seconds waiting for my hardners to come back before getting back into the fight, only the be instantly chased away again by the same swarmer that I cannot find. If instead I was able to scrub the missiles I would actually be doing something other then sitting and waiting to re-engage. You mean techniques to make swarms go off target? Perhaps, but I honestly don't know how you'd go about this, so I'm afraid I cannot any decent insight. I do enjoy the idea however, would give us more to do than duck behind a building and hope for the best. If the swarms math is done correctly there should be an degree of angle to turn the dropship where the swarms can pass or you can pass them by, depending on which way you choose. It should be anywhere from 0-¦ - 90-¦ degree angles. 90-¦ is an "T" shape, the top or lower half of the letter can represent the angle depending if you are trying to make the swarm missiles pass you or you are trying to pass them. The issue is the degree angle has to factor in according to the swarms speed, but swarms are still not affected by its turning radius for tracking. *Always Grey Skies* Leader of the Alpaca Commandos
Nora Everett LORD-BRITISH Couedic Lancer And Shields 2	Posted - 2014.09.26 00:37:00 - [142] - Quote Sorry in poor English. How long is there the person who can play an active part in ADS? Mass SP and experience are necessary to become able to play an active part. The strong person does kill more than ADS in foot soldiers, is it not same as it?
Ronan Elsword Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 296	Posted - 2014.09.26 01:01:00 - [143] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Espeon Bons wrote: It's beyond annoying to skill into something, dedicate time, effort and ISK into becoming decent in the craft to have it become complete garbage from one day to the other. Only an idiot would ever go lvl 5 in caldari/gallente assault dropships because the skill is a joke. 15% rof @ lvl 5 that's about as useless as dropsuit command 5. But what am I ranting about? Flying ADS takes no skill. Aiming and flying is EASY. It takes alot of skill to lock on and shoot swarms that THE GAME AIMS AND TRACKS FOR YOU. Keep up the good work. :) the "numbers" will really be good when "they" turn to 0. Yes, I understand that pain. I had Proficiency 4 in Swarm Launchers, along with Rapid Reload 4 and such. They've been literally unable to kill anything in the game since 1.7. It's really nice CCP has made them worthwhile again. What are you on? I don't use swarms often, but when I do I don't have issues killing anything. Especially if I have another player using a swarm the right way (Not standing in the open running towards a tank or jumping on a mountain waving at the dropship) it works wonders. *Ode to the days before AA Hipfire was better than ads*
Gabriella Grey THE HANDS OF DEATH 162	Posted - 2014.09.26 01:06:00 - [144] - Quote Nora Everett wrote: Sorry in poor English. How long is there the person who can play an active part in ADS? Mass SP and experience are necessary to become able to play an active part. The strong person does kill more than ADS in foot soldiers, is it not same as it? Hey Nora it seems that maxing out your turret, shield and armor optimizations are very important. Right now this seems to be the most important thing for pilots to survive while using an afterburner. I hope this answers your question. *Always Grey Skies* Leader of the Alpaca Commandos
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2719	Posted - 2014.09.26 01:09:00 - [145] - Quote Gabriella Grey wrote: Nora Everett wrote: Sorry in poor English. How long is there the person who can play an active part in ADS? Mass SP and experience are necessary to become able to play an active part. The strong person does kill more than ADS in foot soldiers, is it not same as it? Hey Nora it seems that maxing out your turret, shield and armor optimizations are very important. Right now this seems to be the most important thing for pilots to survive while using an afterburner. I hope this answers your question. wrong, I'm afraid. Shield and armor OP are good if you get them at 3, armor is good at 4. But that is only if you're using the ADS, and not tank. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 3257	Posted - 2014.09.26 02:09:00 - [146] - Quote Derrith how old are you? When you learn the difference between subjective and objective, you can come back and actually give meaningful feedback. The Feedback section is a place to make the game better Lets excuse the blatant racist remarks and overall ego trip that is your thread, and try to look at your feedback. Game One: I really don't see a problem. Four players (if you include the gorgan pilot) dedicated their roles to making you useless. How is a 4:1 ratio or even a 3:1 unbalanced to ADS pilots; especially when those players where using a hard counter towards your vehicle. I am sorry you can't drop those 20 and 30 bombs anymore . Game Two: You went 16-0... Even the opposing team switched up to counter you... militia or not. CCP don't even waste your time on this trash. Escrow Removal and Acquisition- Our ERA has only just begun... Gym Bro/ Meat Head -- CrossFit enthusiast
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2721	Posted - 2014.09.26 02:17:00 - [147] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Derrith how old are you? When you learn the difference between subjective and objective, you can come back and actually give meaningful feedback. The Feedback section is a place to make the game better Lets excuse the blatant racist remarks and overall ego trip that is your thread, and try to look at your feedback. Game One: I really don't see a problem. Four players (if you include the gorgan pilot) dedicated their roles to making you useless. How is a 4:1 ratio or even a 3:1 unbalanced to ADS pilots; especially when those players where using a hard counter towards your vehicle. I am sorry you can't drop those 20 and 30 bombs anymore . Game Two: You went 16-0... Even the opposing team switched up to counter you... militia or not. CCP don't even waste your time on this trash. blatant racism? I'm latino myself, I can get away with saying that. And I'm also sorry, that I've blown you up more times in PC than you've had kills. Oh and hate to break to your heart, but I just came out of PC against Dust Brasil ringing for NAE, dropped 20-2, so thanks for your concern, but I'm not dead yet The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
SoTa Senpai Ametat Security Amarr Empire 160	Posted - 2014.09.26 02:30:00 - [148] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Derrith how old are you? When you learn the difference between subjective and objective, you can come back and actually give meaningful feedback. The Feedback section is a place to make the game better Lets excuse the blatant racist remarks and overall ego trip that is your thread, and try to look at your feedback. Game One: I really don't see a problem. Four players (if you include the gorgan pilot) dedicated their roles to making you useless. How is a 4:1 ratio or even a 3:1 unbalanced to ADS pilots; especially when those players where using a hard counter towards your vehicle. I am sorry you can't drop those 20 and 30 bombs anymore . Game Two: You went 16-0... Even the opposing team switched up to counter you... militia or not. CCP don't even waste your time on this trash. blatant racism? I'm latino myself, I can get away with saying that. And I'm also sorry, that I've blown you up more times in PC than you've had kills. Oh and hate to break to your heart, but I just came out of PC against Dust Brasil ringing for NAE, dropped 20-2, so thanks for your concern, but I'm not dead yet Could you at least attempt to reasonably respond to his post? He clearly writes out what his problem with your OP was, and you completely ignore it to derail everything into a troll bickering contest. Stay on point as he did and try to keep away from the flashy words like 'racism' And he's pretty much has you, this thread is pointless.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2722	Posted - 2014.09.26 02:37:00 - [149] - Quote SoTa Senpai wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Derrith how old are you? When you learn the difference between subjective and objective, you can come back and actually give meaningful feedback. The Feedback section is a place to make the game better Lets excuse the blatant racist remarks and overall ego trip that is your thread, and try to look at your feedback. Game One: I really don't see a problem. Four players (if you include the gorgan pilot) dedicated their roles to making you useless. How is a 4:1 ratio or even a 3:1 unbalanced to ADS pilots; especially when those players where using a hard counter towards your vehicle. I am sorry you can't drop those 20 and 30 bombs anymore . Game Two: You went 16-0... Even the opposing team switched up to counter you... militia or not. CCP don't even waste your time on this trash. blatant racism? I'm latino myself, I can get away with saying that. And I'm also sorry, that I've blown you up more times in PC than you've had kills. Oh and hate to break to your heart, but I just came out of PC against Dust Brasil ringing for NAE, dropped 20-2, so thanks for your concern, but I'm not dead yet Could you at least attempt to reasonably respond to his post? He clearly writes out what his problem with your OP was, and you completely ignore it to derail everything into a troll bickering contest. Stay on point as he did and try to keep away from the flashy words like 'racism' And he's pretty much has you, this thread is pointless. Sota, let me explain a few things to you. 1) Feedback is the new war room. As far as I'm concerned, Reggie was just feeling lonely and needed someone to talk crap to. 2) I'm supposed to act professional while he isn't? Yeah, screw that, if he's gonna talk some crap, than I don't see why I shouldn't get a little fun out of it too. 3) Racism, again, I'm Latino. 4) This thread is pointless, you have me there. Well, you would've, if this thread started around page 3. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 3257	Posted - 2014.09.26 02:39:00 - [150] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Derrith how old are you? When you learn the difference between subjective and objective, you can come back and actually give meaningful feedback. The Feedback section is a place to make the game better Lets excuse the blatant racist remarks and overall ego trip that is your thread, and try to look at your feedback. Game One: I really don't see a problem. Four players (if you include the gorgan pilot) dedicated their roles to making you useless. How is a 4:1 ratio or even a 3:1 unbalanced to ADS pilots; especially when those players where using a hard counter towards your vehicle. I am sorry you can't drop those 20 and 30 bombs anymore . Game Two: You went 16-0... Even the opposing team switched up to counter you... militia or not. CCP don't even waste your time on this trash. blatant racism? I'm latino myself, I can get away with saying that. And I'm also sorry, that I've blown you up more times in PC than you've had kills. Oh and hate to break to your heart, but I just came out of PC against Dust Brasil ringing for NAE, dropped 20-2, so thanks for your concern, but I'm not dead yet Confirming you're 12 1. IDGAF how many time you killed in PC, FW, or Pubs. It has noting to with my post or my feedback 2. IDGAF about your scores or your PC feats. The feedback section is here to make the game better and more enjoyable. Grow the **** up Escrow Removal and Acquisition- Our ERA has only just begun... Gym Bro/ Meat Head -- CrossFit enthusiast



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