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Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2723	Posted - 2014.09.26 02:42:00 - [151] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Derrith how old are you? When you learn the difference between subjective and objective, you can come back and actually give meaningful feedback. The Feedback section is a place to make the game better Lets excuse the blatant racist remarks and overall ego trip that is your thread, and try to look at your feedback. Game One: I really don't see a problem. Four players (if you include the gorgan pilot) dedicated their roles to making you useless. How is a 4:1 ratio or even a 3:1 unbalanced to ADS pilots; especially when those players where using a hard counter towards your vehicle. I am sorry you can't drop those 20 and 30 bombs anymore . Game Two: You went 16-0... Even the opposing team switched up to counter you... militia or not. CCP don't even waste your time on this trash. blatant racism? I'm latino myself, I can get away with saying that. And I'm also sorry, that I've blown you up more times in PC than you've had kills. Oh and hate to break to your heart, but I just came out of PC against Dust Brasil ringing for NAE, dropped 20-2, so thanks for your concern, but I'm not dead yet Confirming you're 12 1. IDGAF how many time you killed in PC, FW, or Pubs. It has noting to with my post or my feedback 2. IDGAF about your scores or your PC feats. The feedback section is here to make the game better and more enjoyable. Grow the **** up Hah, I wish I was twelve. You got any idea how awkward it is for a grown man to play with a slinky or toy fire truck? It's not a pretty sight. But oh god is it fun! The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 177	Posted - 2014.09.26 02:43:00 - [152] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Derrith how old are you? When you learn the difference between subjective and objective, you can come back and actually give meaningful feedback. The Feedback section is a place to make the game better Lets excuse the blatant racist remarks and overall ego trip that is your thread, and try to look at your feedback. Game One: I really don't see a problem. Four players (if you include the gorgan pilot) dedicated their roles to making you useless. How is a 4:1 ratio or even a 3:1 unbalanced to ADS pilots; especially when those players where using a hard counter towards your vehicle. I am sorry you can't drop those 20 and 30 bombs anymore . Game Two: You went 16-0... Even the opposing team switched up to counter you... militia or not. CCP don't even waste your time on this trash. blatant racism? I'm latino myself, I can get away with saying that. And I'm also sorry, that I've blown you up more times in PC than you've had kills. Oh and hate to break to your heart, but I just came out of PC against Dust Brasil ringing for NAE, dropped 20-2, so thanks for your concern, but I'm not dead yet Confirming you're 12 1. IDGAF how many time you killed in PC, FW, or Pubs. It has noting to with my post or my feedback 2. IDGAF about your scores or your PC feats. The feedback section is here to make the game better and more enjoyable. Grow the **** up Hey you went low 1st you called him a racist thats 1 of the oldest, lowest, dirtiest tricks in the book and i think al sharpton beat you to the punch.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 31	Posted - 2014.09.26 02:43:00 - [153] - Quote Butt hurt cpm lost all his districts gtfo
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2723	Posted - 2014.09.26 02:45:00 - [154] - Quote Action, Demandred, don't mind them, they're just lonely. They just needed to do a little trash talking like the old days. No big deal. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 3257	Posted - 2014.09.26 02:49:00 - [155] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Derrith how old are you? When you learn the difference between subjective and objective, you can come back and actually give meaningful feedback. The Feedback section is a place to make the game better Lets excuse the blatant racist remarks and overall ego trip that is your thread, and try to look at your feedback. Game One: I really don't see a problem. Four players (if you include the gorgan pilot) dedicated their roles to making you useless. How is a 4:1 ratio or even a 3:1 unbalanced to ADS pilots; especially when those players where using a hard counter towards your vehicle. I am sorry you can't drop those 20 and 30 bombs anymore . Game Two: You went 16-0... Even the opposing team switched up to counter you... militia or not. CCP don't even waste your time on this trash. blatant racism? I'm latino myself, I can get away with saying that. And I'm also sorry, that I've blown you up more times in PC than you've had kills. Oh and hate to break to your heart, but I just came out of PC against Dust Brasil ringing for NAE, dropped 20-2, so thanks for your concern, but I'm not dead yet Confirming you're 12 1. IDGAF how many time you killed in PC, FW, or Pubs. It has noting to with my post or my feedback 2. IDGAF about your scores or your PC feats. The feedback section is here to make the game better and more enjoyable. Grow the **** up Hey you went low 1st you called him a racist thats 1 of the oldest, lowest, dirtiest tricks in the book and i think al sharpton beat you to the punch. Hahahahahha...ha Escrow Removal and Acquisition- Our ERA has only just begun... Gym Bro/ Meat Head -- CrossFit enthusiast
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 3257	Posted - 2014.09.26 02:53:00 - [156] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Action, Demandred, don't mind them, they're just lonely. They just needed to do a little trash talking like the old days. No big deal. Come on Derrith, please explain to me how three players focusing on you, and thus making you useless is unbalanced. I am about to Hit my Shoulders and Abs, so you have all the time in the world to respond. How was game one unbalanced toward your ADS Escrow Removal and Acquisition- Our ERA has only just begun... Gym Bro/ Meat Head -- CrossFit enthusiast
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2723	Posted - 2014.09.26 02:54:00 - [157] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: Action, Demandred, don't mind them, they're just lonely. They just needed to do a little trash talking like the old days. No big deal. Come on Derrith, please explain to me how three players focusing on you, and thus making you useless is unbalanced. I am about to Hit my Shoulders and Abs, so you have all the time in the world to respond. How was game one unbalanced toward your ADS Ummmmm, direct me to where I said that was unbalanced. Please, I'd love to see that. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 177	Posted - 2014.09.26 03:14:00 - [158] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: Action, Demandred, don't mind them, they're just lonely. They just needed to do a little trash talking like the old days. No big deal. Come on Derrith, please explain to me how three players focusing on you, and thus making you useless is unbalanced. I am about to Hit my Shoulders and Abs, so you have all the time in the world to respond. How was game one unbalanced toward your ADS Ummmmm, direct me to where I said that was unbalanced. Please, I'd love to see that. Oh, one more thing. Seeing as you're such a beefhead, I need some good core workouts. Been trimming my love handles, got two inches off, need more oblique workouts. If ive ever seen anything more homo, why dont you just give him youre hot pickle already.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2724	Posted - 2014.09.26 03:31:00 - [159] - Quote So are you actually going to show me exactly where i said that all that AV was unbalanced Reggie? I don't have all night, so go ahead and show me where, and what page this was on. I'll look at it tomorrow, I'm going to bed. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 177	Posted - 2014.09.26 03:36:00 - [160] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: So are you actually going to show me exactly where i said that all that AV was unbalanced Reggie? I don't have all night, so go ahead and show me where, and what page this was on. I'll look at it tomorrow, I'm going to bed. Avs fine its dropships vs. vehicles thats broken now. Rattati should of never gotten rid of the rof bonus. Where the hells judge at ccp listens to him.

Minor Treat The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 305	Posted - 2014.09.26 04:05:00 - [161] - Quote Here is my background in Dust. 35million Lifetime skills points focused in on ADS (Python) maxed out, Proto Anti-Vehicle fits (Swarms, Proxy, Forges), Proto Assault (caldari and rail rifles), Proto Commando (gallente with AR and PLC), and ADV Scout (caldari). Also I have a lot of experiance with milita vehicles with plenty of kills with my 20G Railgun and Sica Blaster tanks. overall I feel I am pretty diverse in dust and have been playing for quite some time. My opinion: I feel that ADS is not "useless" but its in my experiance after losing tons of ADS in a few days, I feel that ADS is too weak for the current changes in Delta Patch. Here is my reasoning. 1) PRE-DELTA Anti-Vehicle Advantages that need to taken into account. AV players have several advantages that ADS pilots do not have such as the First movers advantage. We have all see plenty of evidence of rendering issues between infantry and airborne combat, which gives the AV an immediate advantage over the ADS. The AV player will always be able to fire of 1 volley and start his/her 2nd volley before the ADS pilot has identified his position due to rendering. They also have War points that ADS pilots do not get, which is a huge advantage as it give the squad tons of points to their orbitals. AV players are rewarded 75 points based on damage scaling which ADS does not get those kinds of points. Not only that the scaling on War points is vastly different... AV gets War Points based on Assists (50 WP), destruction, (150 WP), kills (per 50 WP), Damages scale (75 WP) and Intel (15 WP). While ADS only gets Assists (25 WP), Kills (per 50 WP), Vehicle Kill Assist (35 WP) and Intel (15 WP) Note: This is a scenario revolving around AV vs ADS (The AV player is not involved within Vehicles as he cannot use his AV equipment until he leaves his vehicle so Vehicle damage or destruction does not play into account in these numbers. AV players also have advantages of AI Installation support, its may seem silly but I have witness plenty of turning tides where an AI installation gets a few shots or damages a ADS a few times allowing the destruction of that vehicle. AV players also have advantages in the terrain, where players can use peek a boo tactics within buildings or bridges to hurt ADS players (again rendering and War points play additional advantages). ADS pilots cannot hide withing compounds as the walls do massive amounts of damage if they are so much as tap them, Though the ADS can gain altitude or retreat to red line the ADS has to deal with first movers advantage again to re-engage target he/she was firing at previously. Granted ADS can Lock down a Compound once within fire support range which enemies are rending and is in superior fire position but Tanks and even a well place Turret mounted LAV can do the exact same thing, so how can these vehicles used in tactical situations not be held equally accountable as the ADS? Finally AV players have a much larger target to fire upon that ADS pilots have, and this is because of how the ADS functions. A Single Infantry Unit is 1/9th the size of a Dropship, which with higher altitude (assume that player has rendering in) is even smaller from the ADS point of view. The AV's see a much larger target to spot plus the first movers advantage that AV players have over ADS pilot. 2) POST DELTA Anti-Vehicle Advantages - Note: all advantages Pre-Delta are still present Swarm buffs have allowed a stronger destructive game against ADS with increase Speed, acceleration and with the additions to nerfing the After Burner ( I think is a smart move given Swarms always were effective at nullifying and area denying ADS but not destroying, I always felt that Forge Guns and Railguns did very effective jobs destroying an ADS but swarms needed abit of buffing) The Lower ROF for Turrets (Missle's and Railgun's) for on Racial ADS have left drive by shooting to be substantially less effective than PRE-DELTA. So hit and run tactics for ADS is not an options as rendering prevents ADS pilots from see what needs to be shot leaving them to shoot blindly with a low ROF as they cannot splash damage a wide area to combat the first movers advantage. So essentially ADS cannot do Hit and Run tactics, nor can they stay stationary to allow rendering to rend in the AV players as they will lose to first movers advantage, Swarms buffs, and After Burner nerfing. (I completely disagree with ROF nerfing as I felt that it was not the true problem to ADS being so powerful PRE-DELTA. I felt that ADS was too powerful due to the bug which allow bonus python skills to stack. For me, Denying or Destroying Solo ADS pilots PRE-Delta was not a huge problem, but the additional side gunner getting the bonus for each pilots skill in the ADS allow for a devastating vehicle that was needing to be addressed. This was the wrong way to fix that issue.)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5230	Posted - 2014.09.26 04:09:00 - [162] - Quote ^ Looks like that Swarmer has every advantage over the ADS! Pre-Delta, you say!? Boggles the mind how ADS didn't drop like flies. Quite the opposite, in fact. But that can't be. AV had so many advantages. :: scratches head :: Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Minor Treat The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 305	Posted - 2014.09.26 04:12:00 - [163] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: That almost sounds like a Swarmer had advantage over an ADS! Pre-Delta, you say!? Boggles the mind how ADS didn't drop like flies. Quite the opposite, in fact. But that can't be. AV had so many advantages. :: scratches head :: granted these are advantages that needed to be taken into account during the nerf. Not advantages that make AV superior to ADS
Minor Treat The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 305	Posted - 2014.09.26 04:15:00 - [164] - Quote additionally I wanted to include that Data and Numbers are a great source of information and even a better tool for predicting future outcomes. Unfortunately, Data is not a perfect tool to predict future outcomes as it is based on real world events which have multiple variables but only give us the information to predict a perfect world outcome. For example I suspect Data collect around ADS pilots are slightly inaccurate due to the side gunners getting additional bonus for multiple pilots within a single drop ship. That the True Data revolving around a single pilot within a ADS is slightly above balance which would have been more deserving of a lighter touch on the ROF nerfing. If the side gunners bonus have been address (still need to test that) than those numbers and data collected around ADS would probably give ADS a more proper re-balancing than get a heavy nerf stick.
Demandred Moores Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 31	Posted - 2014.09.26 12:13:00 - [165] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: ^ Looks like that Swarmer has every advantage over the ADS! Pre-Delta, you say!? Boggles the mind how ADS didn't drop like flies. Quite the opposite, in fact. But that can't be. AV had so many advantages. :: scratches head :: He stated these were advantages not that it made av op pre-update. Now post-update these have become major issues. Reread it.
SoTa Senpai Ametat Security Amarr Empire 161	Posted - 2014.09.26 13:53:00 - [166] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: SoTa Senpai wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Derrith how old are you? When you learn the difference between subjective and objective, you can come back and actually give meaningful feedback. The Feedback section is a place to make the game better Lets excuse the blatant racist remarks and overall ego trip that is your thread, and try to look at your feedback. Game One: I really don't see a problem. Four players (if you include the gorgan pilot) dedicated their roles to making you useless. How is a 4:1 ratio or even a 3:1 unbalanced to ADS pilots; especially when those players where using a hard counter towards your vehicle. I am sorry you can't drop those 20 and 30 bombs anymore . Game Two: You went 16-0... Even the opposing team switched up to counter you... militia or not. CCP don't even waste your time on this trash. blatant racism? I'm latino myself, I can get away with saying that. And I'm also sorry, that I've blown you up more times in PC than you've had kills. Oh and hate to break to your heart, but I just came out of PC against Dust Brasil ringing for NAE, dropped 20-2, so thanks for your concern, but I'm not dead yet Could you at least attempt to reasonably respond to his post? He clearly writes out what his problem with your OP was, and you completely ignore it to derail everything into a troll bickering contest. Stay on point as he did and try to keep away from the flashy words like 'racism' And he's pretty much has you, this thread is pointless. Sota, let me explain a few things to you. 1) Feedback is the new war room. As far as I'm concerned, Reggie was just feeling lonely and needed someone to talk crap to. 2) I'm supposed to act professional while he isn't? Yeah, screw that, if he's gonna talk some crap, than I don't see why I shouldn't get a little fun out of it too. 3) Racism, again, I'm Latino. 4) This thread is pointless, you have me there. Well, you would've, if this thread started around page 3. Explain things to me? There's only one section in all of the forums that is safe from us trolls, a place of haven where people can discuss game and mechanics without fear of opinions being taken to personally insulting levels. Leave it be. Forums suck enough without you trying to infect every part of it with what's bad about it. And just because discussion came from your useless thread doesn't make it anymore useless, CCP only looks at the OP, you'll need a CPM if you want CCP to notice further.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3733	Posted - 2014.09.26 13:54:00 - [167] - Quote The problem with these "advantages", is that they're all inferior advantages to everything ADSes have in their favor, but Minor Treat didn't feel like listing all of those. ;) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2729	Posted - 2014.09.26 13:58:00 - [168] - Quote SoTa Senpai wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: SoTa Senpai wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Derrith how old are you? When you learn the difference between subjective and objective, you can come back and actually give meaningful feedback. The Feedback section is a place to make the game better Lets excuse the blatant racist remarks and overall ego trip that is your thread, and try to look at your feedback. Game One: I really don't see a problem. Four players (if you include the gorgan pilot) dedicated their roles to making you useless. How is a 4:1 ratio or even a 3:1 unbalanced to ADS pilots; especially when those players where using a hard counter towards your vehicle. I am sorry you can't drop those 20 and 30 bombs anymore . Game Two: You went 16-0... Even the opposing team switched up to counter you... militia or not. CCP don't even waste your time on this trash. blatant racism? I'm latino myself, I can get away with saying that. And I'm also sorry, that I've blown you up more times in PC than you've had kills. Oh and hate to break to your heart, but I just came out of PC against Dust Brasil ringing for NAE, dropped 20-2, so thanks for your concern, but I'm not dead yet Could you at least attempt to reasonably respond to his post? He clearly writes out what his problem with your OP was, and you completely ignore it to derail everything into a troll bickering contest. Stay on point as he did and try to keep away from the flashy words like 'racism' And he's pretty much has you, this thread is pointless. Sota, let me explain a few things to you. 1) Feedback is the new war room. As far as I'm concerned, Reggie was just feeling lonely and needed someone to talk crap to. 2) I'm supposed to act professional while he isn't? Yeah, screw that, if he's gonna talk some crap, than I don't see why I shouldn't get a little fun out of it too. 3) Racism, again, I'm Latino. 4) This thread is pointless, you have me there. Well, you would've, if this thread started around page 3. Explain things to me? There's only one section in all of the forums that is safe from us trolls, a place of haven where people can discuss game and mechanics without fear of opinions being taken to personally insulting levels. Leave it be. Forums suck enough without you trying to infect every part of it with what's bad about it. And just because discussion came from your useless thread doesn't make it anymore useless, CCP only looks at the OP, you'll need a CPM if you want CCP to notice further. I'm sorry I thought I actually made this thread with the intent of discussing game mechanics. After a few matches, these were my findings. I could discuss all the other matches where I flew ADS post delta. BTW, the I'm sorry was sarcasm. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3738	Posted - 2014.09.26 14:08:00 - [169] - Quote Hey guys, I just bumped a bug thread about the ADS that got sent to me by email, it's in the Technical Support forum, is there anyone who can test it out? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=169626 CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
SoTa Senpai Ametat Security Amarr Empire 161	Posted - 2014.09.26 14:10:00 - [170] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: After flying a few matches in Delta, I've returned with a decent speculation and data on the ADS, and what went horribly wrong with it. My first match I played on the twin towers map. I called her in about 1/4 of the way through the match, got six kills, then came three mexicans (they were in a Latino corp) with AV to camp on said towers. two of them were forges, bad ones at that, one was a swarmer. There was also a rammer after me, but he failed miserably. After they had set up camping on the towers I was completely useless. They managed to shoot me down once, but I, being the yolfswag guy I am, called in a second one, only to be forced back to the red by the rammer, whom I shot down. And even with being rendered completely useless because of over AV, I still got hate mail (score one for weakened pilots baby)! Anyway, second match I played infinitely more cautious. I even used my pilot suit (rail rifle and two range amps works wonders). dropped 16-0 despite being hounded by militia swarms wherever I turned, which is not to say we're still OP. The swarmers were poorly positioned, I also had buildings to hide behind, add to the fact that they were militia kind of helped, even though they were spaced no less than 20 meters from each other at one point. Anyway, my review: 1) I did not see any reduction to PG/CPU or price of small turrets, and I checked. 2) The python bonus, as I predicted, is complete and utter crap, the incubus can hold more tank and even fit a better AB than the python, and all I have to sacrifice for it is a little ROF (.18 ROF, to be exact). 3) nerfing the ROF on incubus by that much, also useless. and there was also a heat increase, only 7 shots were able to come out when I used it, and it overheated. 4) I will say that AB cooldown is not as bad as I predicted, it's still pretty bad though. 5) due to the increase of acceleration and speed of swarms, ducking behind a building is pretty useless, even with the homing nerf, I can probably get maybe two to hit the side of a building if I'm lucky. Anyway, that's the review. Let me point it out again since Regynum apparently didn't get through to you - This is posted in the wrong section of the forums.

Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2729	Posted - 2014.09.26 14:15:00 - [171] - Quote SoTa Senpai wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: After flying a few matches in Delta, I've returned with a decent speculation and data on the ADS, and what went horribly wrong with it. My first match I played on the twin towers map. I called her in about 1/4 of the way through the match, got six kills, then came three mexicans (they were in a Latino corp) with AV to camp on said towers. two of them were forges, bad ones at that, one was a swarmer. There was also a rammer after me, but he failed miserably. After they had set up camping on the towers I was completely useless. They managed to shoot me down once, but I, being the yolfswag guy I am, called in a second one, only to be forced back to the red by the rammer, whom I shot down. And even with being rendered completely useless because of over AV, I still got hate mail (score one for weakened pilots baby)! Anyway, second match I played infinitely more cautious. I even used my pilot suit (rail rifle and two range amps works wonders). dropped 16-0 despite being hounded by militia swarms wherever I turned, which is not to say we're still OP. The swarmers were poorly positioned, I also had buildings to hide behind, add to the fact that they were militia kind of helped, even though they were spaced no less than 20 meters from each other at one point. Anyway, my review: 1) I did not see any reduction to PG/CPU or price of small turrets, and I checked. 2) The python bonus, as I predicted, is complete and utter crap, the incubus can hold more tank and even fit a better AB than the python, and all I have to sacrifice for it is a little ROF (.18 ROF, to be exact). 3) nerfing the ROF on incubus by that much, also useless. and there was also a heat increase, only 7 shots were able to come out when I used it, and it overheated. 4) I will say that AB cooldown is not as bad as I predicted, it's still pretty bad though. 5) due to the increase of acceleration and speed of swarms, ducking behind a building is pretty useless, even with the homing nerf, I can probably get maybe two to hit the side of a building if I'm lucky. Anyway, that's the review. Let me point it out again since Regynum apparently didn't get through to you - This is posted in the wrong section of the forums. How so? Point to me exactly where discussing findings and research that I conducted is now in the wrong section of the forums. Exactly what makes this area the wrong place to put it. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Minor Treat The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 309	Posted - 2014.09.26 14:49:00 - [172] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: The problem with these "advantages", is that they're all inferior advantages to everything ADSes have in their favor, but Minor Treat didn't feel like listing all of those. ;) on the contrary I ran out of room on the post :p. Also All the advantages for the ADS is common knowledge to everyone as they are no gameplay mechanics thats unique to ADS advantages (Also that bug where pilots skills stack is an advantage ADS had but everyone knew it needed to be fixed and I included it in my list) . All the advantages the ADS has is similar to that of Tanks or well mounted LAV, with the exception that they fly. Everyone knows that they can escape battle zones by flying away, can suppress infantry and ground Vehicle Units, and transport friendlies from point A to Point B. Anti-Vehicle in the other hand have distinct advantages that are unique to ADS as it can only occurs to that of airborne vehicles. Rendering issues are not nearly as much of an issue for ground vehicles as it is for Airborne vehicles. Collision Damage is also a unique disadvantage to Airborne Vehicles. Everything I listed is specific issue revolving around ADS that needed to be taken into account during the nerf. Granted pre-Delta AV Swarms had difficult time destroying ADS but its was the Swarm alone that struggled not AV. Thats why the only AV that got buffed was the Swarm Launcher. So that means Pre Delta all the other options for AV were effective at destroying ADS but how does ADS get a nerfing while a Buffing to Swarms to balance out the game? Several AV players used Swarms as their primary AV but AV players with tons of experiance battle vehicle use various AV (Forge, Railgun, installations, ect), as a result it has become a one sided arguments without all the variables taken into account.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3744	Posted - 2014.09.26 15:06:00 - [173] - Quote Minor Treat, swarms needed a buff because they were ineffective. ADS needed a nerf because they were globally too effective. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Minor Treat The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 309	Posted - 2014.09.26 15:30:00 - [174] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Minor Treat, swarms needed a buff because they were ineffective. ADS needed a nerf because they were globally too effective. Swarms were ineffective I can agree with this. but ADS were only too effective because of the stacking bonus as I explained in the previous post. Its my theory that the data collect on ADS is inaccurate due to the skill stacking of sidegunners, not the pilots themselves.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3204	Posted - 2014.09.26 15:37:00 - [175] - Quote Minor Treat wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Minor Treat, swarms needed a buff because they were ineffective. ADS needed a nerf because they were globally too effective. Swarms were ineffective I can agree with this. but ADS were only too effective because of the stacking bonus as I explained in the previous post. Its my theory that the data collect on ADS is inaccurate due to the skill stacking of sidegunners, not the pilots themselves. When shooting down ADS I have found three-man ADS to be DEEPLY in the minority. You can count the bodies that fall out while the ADS crashes.
THEPIMP NAMED SLICKBACK THE BONERBOMBS 29	Posted - 2014.09.26 15:38:00 - [176] - Quote Went online today after seeing all the retards complain on the forums about the rof nerf grabbed my python got hit by swarms saw little improvement on swarms not longer able to outrun 1 volley isn't a problem more balanced now the ads are still usable no longer can one man army the lobby with the lower fire rate its seems the ads it finally balanced and all the butthurt retards complaining are the ones who spam ads or stack skills with proto xt missiles and get shot down a couple times a game Thank you CCP for finally balancing the ads there are no longer john rambo with a jetpack PROTO STOMPERS... AND ITS GONE! PROTO PAPER ADS... AND ITS GONE ROOF TOP CAMPERS DROP THE OB .....AND ITS GONE
Minor Treat The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 309	Posted - 2014.09.26 15:46:00 - [177] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Minor Treat wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Minor Treat, swarms needed a buff because they were ineffective. ADS needed a nerf because they were globally too effective. Swarms were ineffective I can agree with this. but ADS were only too effective because of the stacking bonus as I explained in the previous post. Its my theory that the data collect on ADS is inaccurate due to the skill stacking of sidegunners, not the pilots themselves. When shooting down ADS I have found three-man ADS to be DEEPLY in the minority. You can count the bodies that fall out while the ADS crashes. Its not a popular tactics but I have gone ten times more damage with a multiple piloted dropship than single pilots dropship. two manned dropship is actually slightly more common but regardless of how common it is, the damage output from sidegunners is tremedious which has an effect on the data collected.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2731	Posted - 2014.09.26 15:47:00 - [178] - Quote THEPIMP NAMED SLICKBACK wrote: Went online today after seeing all the retards complain on the forums about the rof nerf grabbed my python got hit by swarms saw little improvement on swarms not longer able to outrun 1 volley isn't a problem more balanced now the ads are still usable no longer can one man army the lobby with the lower fire rate its seems the ads it finally balanced and all the butthurt retards complaining are the ones who spam ads or stack skills with proto xt missiles and get shot down a couple times a game Thank you CCP for finally balancing the ads there are no longer john rambo with a jetpack Very few ADS pilots said our ROF didn't need nerfing, but let me ask you this question. The incubus currently can tank more than python, and has instant reps over python, which does not. The ROF as it is on the python gives us an interval of 1.08 per volley. The raw ROF on the incubus is currently 1.20. Is the ROF on the python worth it? The incubus has, as of right now: Better collision damage instant reps to armor more tank than python better fitting space The ROF was the only reason to run Python. Would you run it in exchange for all those? I do, but only because I'm too lazy to make an incubus fit. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
THEPIMP NAMED SLICKBACK THE BONERBOMBS 33	Posted - 2014.09.26 16:06:00 - [179] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: THEPIMP NAMED SLICKBACK wrote: Went online today after seeing all the retards complain on the forums about the rof nerf grabbed my python got hit by swarms saw little improvement on swarms not longer able to outrun 1 volley isn't a problem more balanced now the ads are still usable no longer can one man army the lobby with the lower fire rate its seems the ads it finally balanced and all the butthurt retards complaining are the ones who spam ads or stack skills with proto xt missiles and get shot down a couple times a game Thank you CCP for finally balancing the ads there are no longer john rambo with a jetpack Very few ADS pilots said our ROF didn't need nerfing, but let me ask you this question. The incubus currently can tank more than python, and has instant reps over python, which does not. The ROF as it is on the python gives us an interval of 1.08 per volley. The raw ROF on the incubus is currently 1.20. Is the ROF on the python worth it? The incubus has, as of right now: Better collision damage instant reps to armor more tank than python better fitting space The ROF was the only reason to run Python. Would you run it in exchange for all those? I do, but only because I'm too lazy to make an incubus fit. Incubus useless currently all av does amour damage get hit by proto minmandos receive almost 3k damage very slow got alot hp doesn+¿t help python easier to fly shoots a little faster and doesnt get a damage bonus when you aim aim at the side engines PROTO STOMPERS... AND ITS GONE! PROTO PAPER ADS... AND ITS GONE ROOF TOP CAMPERS DROP THE OB .....AND ITS GONE
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3211	Posted - 2014.09.26 16:28:00 - [180] - Quote Plasma cannon is bonused for shields.



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