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Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2694	Posted - 2014.09.24 17:27:00 - [1] - Quote After flying a few matches in Delta, I've returned with a decent speculation and data on the ADS, and what went horribly wrong with it. My first match I played on the twin towers map. I called her in about 1/4 of the way through the match, got six kills, then came three mexicans (they were in a Latino corp) with AV to camp on said towers. two of them were forges, bad ones at that, one was a swarmer. There was also a rammer after me, but he failed miserably. After they had set up camping on the towers I was completely useless. They managed to shoot me down once, but I, being the yolfswag guy I am, called in a second one, only to be forced back to the red by the rammer, whom I shot down. And even with being rendered completely useless because of over AV, I still got hate mail (score one for weakened pilots baby)! Anyway, second match I played infinitely more cautious. I even used my pilot suit (rail rifle and two range amps works wonders). dropped 16-0 despite being hounded by militia swarms wherever I turned, which is not to say we're still OP. The swarmers were poorly positioned, I also had buildings to hide behind, add to the fact that they were militia kind of helped, even though they were spaced no less than 20 meters from each other at one point. Anyway, my review: 1) I did not see any reduction to PG/CPU or price of small turrets, and I checked. 2) The python bonus, as I predicted, is complete and utter crap, the incubus can hold more tank and even fit a better AB than the python, and all I have to sacrifice for it is a little ROF (.18 ROF, to be exact). 3) nerfing the ROF on incubus by that much, also useless. and there was also a heat increase, only 7 shots were able to come out when I used it, and it overheated. 4) I will say that AB cooldown is not as bad as I predicted, it's still pretty bad though. 5) due to the increase of acceleration and speed of swarms, ducking behind a building is pretty useless, even with the homing nerf, I can probably get maybe two to hit the side of a building if I'm lucky. Anyway, that's the review. And like I, and the rest of the pilot community predicted, way overdone. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2695	Posted - 2014.09.24 17:50:00 - [2] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Heat increase? Dear God why? As far as only being able to get two swarms to kill themselves it's a nerf to give you a chance, not automatically make using buildings instantly successful. I'm glad that they are working to reduce the incoming fire. Your point about pythons and incubi being differently tanked is a bit misleading. Even though you can fit more HP on the Incubus, both ADS still require the same number of shots to terminate. In my case, that's three shots for both vehicles. I have found no exceptions to this rule. My mistake, as I had also forgotten to mention the insant reps. All I need do is duck behind a building for about 8 seconds, and I'm good to take on more punishment, especially seeing as the skill vehicle shield regeneration also applies to armor vehicles (yes they're much more useful on shield vehicles, but the armor type vehicles shields are good enough to tank one swarm shot). The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2695	Posted - 2014.09.24 18:22:00 - [3] - Quote Kaeru Nayiri wrote: Derrith can I have your input on something, please? I want to get this idea to gain in popularity: Scrubbing swarms. Let's say there was a way to make swarms lose tracking through a scrubbing motion or by making them bend beyond their ability to turn. How do you feel about the idea and how could we go about balancing it? I find it boring when I am forced to sit out for 45 seconds waiting for my hardners to come back before getting back into the fight, only the be instantly chased away again by the same swarmer that I cannot find. If instead I was able to scrub the missiles I would actually be doing something other then sitting and waiting to re-engage. You mean techniques to make swarms go off target? Perhaps, but I honestly don't know how you'd go about this, so I'm afraid I cannot any decent insight. I do enjoy the idea however, would give us more to do than duck behind a building and hope for the best. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2700	Posted - 2014.09.24 19:02:00 - [4] - Quote Kaeru Nayiri wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: You mean techniques to make swarms go off target? Perhaps, but I honestly don't know how you'd go about this, so I'm afraid I cannot any decent insight. I do enjoy the idea however, would give us more to do than duck behind a building and hope for the best. What if swarms were actually stronger but they could only turn X amount of degrees total (from launched position) before they could no longer turn and fly off straight? It would mean higher requirement from swarm launcher and give the DS pilot something to do other then slam the ceiling, or duck and wait. If it were just me, I would also add a warning beep for the DS pilot when the swarms are 100 meters away. (100 meters is just for argument's sake, I just mean a short distance, not launch distance. I specifically would NOT want the beep to occur at any lock range, but rather 3 seconds before imminent impact). I like the warning idea, but I'd rather just tank the swarm shots as they are now instead of having to do some weird yoda crap to avoid it. It's not that I don't like the idea, using agility techniques to shake off swarms is an excellent proposition, but currently swarms are painful, I don't like pain. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2700	Posted - 2014.09.24 19:08:00 - [5] - Quote Dust User wrote: Did you run into any CalSentinel forgers? If so how did that go? I imagine not well since you won't be able to fire fast enough to actually harm them. I may have, but I was too busy frantically ducking around corners trying to find those swarmers to notice. If I do, I'll tell you. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2701	Posted - 2014.09.24 19:29:00 - [6] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: But Derrith is a beast on the ground too. Should we nerf all the stuff he uses because you can't reproduce his results? That's a giant load of crap! I'm complete garbage on the ground. Oh and Kaeru and Resistance, I honestly wouldn't dignify Soraya with a response. Just ignore him, he has the bias against ADS that I had against swarmers (still kind of do, not as bad though). The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2702	Posted - 2014.09.25 00:35:00 - [7] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: After flying a few matches in Delta, I've returned with a decent speculation and data on the ADS, and what went horribly wrong with it. My first match I played on the twin towers map. I called her in about 1/4 of the way through the match, got six kills, then came three mexicans (they were in a Latino corp) with AV to camp on said towers. two of them were forges, bad ones at that, one was a swarmer. There was also a rammer after me, but he failed miserably. After they had set up camping on the towers I was completely useless. They managed to shoot me down once, but I, being the yolfswag guy I am, called in a second one, only to be forced back to the red by the rammer, whom I shot down. And even with being rendered completely useless because of over AV, I still got hate mail (score one for weakened pilots baby)! Anyway, second match I played infinitely more cautious. I even used my pilot suit (rail rifle and two range amps works wonders). dropped 16-0 despite being hounded by militia swarms wherever I turned, which is not to say we're still OP. The swarmers were poorly positioned, I also had buildings to hide behind, add to the fact that they were militia kind of helped, even though they were spaced no less than 20 meters from each other at one point. Anyway, my review: 1) I did not see any reduction to PG/CPU or price of small turrets, and I checked. 2) The python bonus, as I predicted, is complete and utter crap, the incubus can hold more tank and even fit a better AB than the python, and all I have to sacrifice for it is a little ROF (.18 ROF, to be exact). 3) nerfing the ROF on incubus by that much, also useless. and there was also a heat increase, only 7 shots were able to come out when I used it, and it overheated. 4) I will say that AB cooldown is not as bad as I predicted, it's still pretty bad though. 5) due to the increase of acceleration and speed of swarms, ducking behind a building is pretty useless, even with the homing nerf, I can probably get maybe two to hit the side of a building if I'm lucky. Anyway, that's the review. Excellent, thank you. I suggest you start a thread and we can sticky it for simple tweaks, like ROF, heat build up, to get some easy wins back for the ADS. We will check the missing PG/CPU reduction Ummmm, what should I name it? The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2706	Posted - 2014.09.25 04:58:00 - [8] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: If we continue with hotfixes I will agree that the ADS needs its nerf slightly reconsidered. However if we look at it from the point of view that we currently only have aerial transports and no aerial attack vehicles, current ADS' are in a good place. The Assault dropship was never meant to be the fighter or attack chopper that you pilots wanted, rather it is the transport bus with a little more speed, a little more offensive power to clear landing/extraction zones, in exchange for less tank and smaller passenger bay. The aircraft you awesome ADS pilots are looking for shouldn't have the capability to transport troops as well as lay down hell from above. It should be unable to take in passengers, be smaller, nimbler, and hit harder than the ADS as it is. But unfortunately, once again, I doubt DUST is getting any content expansions ever again, so it does seem the ADS is the closest you combat pilots will get to aerial dominance. Explain to me why it has the word assault in it then. on the ground, assaults are meant for slaying, killing stuff, that, if I remember correctly, is the selling point of the suit. Why, if it isn't meant for some form of killing, does it have the word assault in it? The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2708	Posted - 2014.09.25 12:56:00 - [9] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: If you managed 16/0 on your second match, sounds like you're still more than adequately powerful, given the extreme rarity I can get anywhere NEAR doing 16/0 on the ground. o_O Glad to hear you actually lost a dropship in a pub match. Hotfix working as intended. Derriths also the best ADS pilot in the game ATM.... While there's no substitute for skill, I don't see how the success of FOUR people dedicated to neutralizing him, regardless of any skill deficit, indicates any problem with ADS'. I can actually agree with you there, but here is the issue with that. One, two of them were forgers, new forgers, which resulted in a lot of missed shots. two, one was a swarmer, all it took was him and having the forge presence on the roof to debilitate me. three, the rammer wasn't all that good at ramming. four, I knew going in that fly zone was a suicide mission, so I avoided it like the plague. five, I didn't choose to have four people gunning for me at the same time. That was their choice. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2712	Posted - 2014.09.25 16:45:00 - [10] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: GVGMODE, why should ADSes be able to kill infantry if infantry can't kill ADSes? Why is the main goal of every class to generally kill other players, but you think people shouldn't be able to kill you? uhhhhhhhh...... you can. It is completely possible to kill us. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.

Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2713	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:20:00 - [11] - Quote A strange sixth sense I have tells me we've strayed away from being constructive in this thread... The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2714	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:32:00 - [12] - Quote Shotty you available right now? The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2714	Posted - 2014.09.25 19:45:00 - [13] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Espeon Bons wrote: Do you even ADS? Do you even AV? Yes I do actually. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2716	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:42:00 - [14] - Quote You know, it's great how you all have become such good friends with all your banter and playful kittens, but I just made a new thread, with results, so feel free to hop off this and take a look at it. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2716	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:00:00 - [15] - Quote ooooh my, such big strong, important peoples in my own thread. I think I should lay out some cookies and milk for my guests. Anyone want some cheetos too? The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2719	Posted - 2014.09.26 01:09:00 - [16] - Quote Gabriella Grey wrote: Nora Everett wrote: Sorry in poor English. How long is there the person who can play an active part in ADS? Mass SP and experience are necessary to become able to play an active part. The strong person does kill more than ADS in foot soldiers, is it not same as it? Hey Nora it seems that maxing out your turret, shield and armor optimizations are very important. Right now this seems to be the most important thing for pilots to survive while using an afterburner. I hope this answers your question. wrong, I'm afraid. Shield and armor OP are good if you get them at 3, armor is good at 4. But that is only if you're using the ADS, and not tank. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2721	Posted - 2014.09.26 02:17:00 - [17] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Derrith how old are you? When you learn the difference between subjective and objective, you can come back and actually give meaningful feedback. The Feedback section is a place to make the game better Lets excuse the blatant racist remarks and overall ego trip that is your thread, and try to look at your feedback. Game One: I really don't see a problem. Four players (if you include the gorgan pilot) dedicated their roles to making you useless. How is a 4:1 ratio or even a 3:1 unbalanced to ADS pilots; especially when those players where using a hard counter towards your vehicle. I am sorry you can't drop those 20 and 30 bombs anymore . Game Two: You went 16-0... Even the opposing team switched up to counter you... militia or not. CCP don't even waste your time on this trash. blatant racism? I'm latino myself, I can get away with saying that. And I'm also sorry, that I've blown you up more times in PC than you've had kills. Oh and hate to break to your heart, but I just came out of PC against Dust Brasil ringing for NAE, dropped 20-2, so thanks for your concern, but I'm not dead yet The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2722	Posted - 2014.09.26 02:37:00 - [18] - Quote SoTa Senpai wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Derrith how old are you? When you learn the difference between subjective and objective, you can come back and actually give meaningful feedback. The Feedback section is a place to make the game better Lets excuse the blatant racist remarks and overall ego trip that is your thread, and try to look at your feedback. Game One: I really don't see a problem. Four players (if you include the gorgan pilot) dedicated their roles to making you useless. How is a 4:1 ratio or even a 3:1 unbalanced to ADS pilots; especially when those players where using a hard counter towards your vehicle. I am sorry you can't drop those 20 and 30 bombs anymore . Game Two: You went 16-0... Even the opposing team switched up to counter you... militia or not. CCP don't even waste your time on this trash. blatant racism? I'm latino myself, I can get away with saying that. And I'm also sorry, that I've blown you up more times in PC than you've had kills. Oh and hate to break to your heart, but I just came out of PC against Dust Brasil ringing for NAE, dropped 20-2, so thanks for your concern, but I'm not dead yet Could you at least attempt to reasonably respond to his post? He clearly writes out what his problem with your OP was, and you completely ignore it to derail everything into a troll bickering contest. Stay on point as he did and try to keep away from the flashy words like 'racism' And he's pretty much has you, this thread is pointless. Sota, let me explain a few things to you. 1) Feedback is the new war room. As far as I'm concerned, Reggie was just feeling lonely and needed someone to talk crap to. 2) I'm supposed to act professional while he isn't? Yeah, screw that, if he's gonna talk some crap, than I don't see why I shouldn't get a little fun out of it too. 3) Racism, again, I'm Latino. 4) This thread is pointless, you have me there. Well, you would've, if this thread started around page 3. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2723	Posted - 2014.09.26 02:42:00 - [19] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Derrith how old are you? When you learn the difference between subjective and objective, you can come back and actually give meaningful feedback. The Feedback section is a place to make the game better Lets excuse the blatant racist remarks and overall ego trip that is your thread, and try to look at your feedback. Game One: I really don't see a problem. Four players (if you include the gorgan pilot) dedicated their roles to making you useless. How is a 4:1 ratio or even a 3:1 unbalanced to ADS pilots; especially when those players where using a hard counter towards your vehicle. I am sorry you can't drop those 20 and 30 bombs anymore . Game Two: You went 16-0... Even the opposing team switched up to counter you... militia or not. CCP don't even waste your time on this trash. blatant racism? I'm latino myself, I can get away with saying that. And I'm also sorry, that I've blown you up more times in PC than you've had kills. Oh and hate to break to your heart, but I just came out of PC against Dust Brasil ringing for NAE, dropped 20-2, so thanks for your concern, but I'm not dead yet Confirming you're 12 1. IDGAF how many time you killed in PC, FW, or Pubs. It has noting to with my post or my feedback 2. IDGAF about your scores or your PC feats. The feedback section is here to make the game better and more enjoyable. Grow the **** up Hah, I wish I was twelve. You got any idea how awkward it is for a grown man to play with a slinky or toy fire truck? It's not a pretty sight. But oh god is it fun! The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2723	Posted - 2014.09.26 02:45:00 - [20] - Quote Action, Demandred, don't mind them, they're just lonely. They just needed to do a little trash talking like the old days. No big deal. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.

Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2723	Posted - 2014.09.26 02:54:00 - [21] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: Action, Demandred, don't mind them, they're just lonely. They just needed to do a little trash talking like the old days. No big deal. Come on Derrith, please explain to me how three players focusing on you, and thus making you useless is unbalanced. I am about to Hit my Shoulders and Abs, so you have all the time in the world to respond. How was game one unbalanced toward your ADS Ummmmm, direct me to where I said that was unbalanced. Please, I'd love to see that. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2724	Posted - 2014.09.26 03:31:00 - [22] - Quote So are you actually going to show me exactly where i said that all that AV was unbalanced Reggie? I don't have all night, so go ahead and show me where, and what page this was on. I'll look at it tomorrow, I'm going to bed. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2729	Posted - 2014.09.26 13:58:00 - [23] - Quote SoTa Senpai wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: SoTa Senpai wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Derrith how old are you? When you learn the difference between subjective and objective, you can come back and actually give meaningful feedback. The Feedback section is a place to make the game better Lets excuse the blatant racist remarks and overall ego trip that is your thread, and try to look at your feedback. Game One: I really don't see a problem. Four players (if you include the gorgan pilot) dedicated their roles to making you useless. How is a 4:1 ratio or even a 3:1 unbalanced to ADS pilots; especially when those players where using a hard counter towards your vehicle. I am sorry you can't drop those 20 and 30 bombs anymore . Game Two: You went 16-0... Even the opposing team switched up to counter you... militia or not. CCP don't even waste your time on this trash. blatant racism? I'm latino myself, I can get away with saying that. And I'm also sorry, that I've blown you up more times in PC than you've had kills. Oh and hate to break to your heart, but I just came out of PC against Dust Brasil ringing for NAE, dropped 20-2, so thanks for your concern, but I'm not dead yet Could you at least attempt to reasonably respond to his post? He clearly writes out what his problem with your OP was, and you completely ignore it to derail everything into a troll bickering contest. Stay on point as he did and try to keep away from the flashy words like 'racism' And he's pretty much has you, this thread is pointless. Sota, let me explain a few things to you. 1) Feedback is the new war room. As far as I'm concerned, Reggie was just feeling lonely and needed someone to talk crap to. 2) I'm supposed to act professional while he isn't? Yeah, screw that, if he's gonna talk some crap, than I don't see why I shouldn't get a little fun out of it too. 3) Racism, again, I'm Latino. 4) This thread is pointless, you have me there. Well, you would've, if this thread started around page 3. Explain things to me? There's only one section in all of the forums that is safe from us trolls, a place of haven where people can discuss game and mechanics without fear of opinions being taken to personally insulting levels. Leave it be. Forums suck enough without you trying to infect every part of it with what's bad about it. And just because discussion came from your useless thread doesn't make it anymore useless, CCP only looks at the OP, you'll need a CPM if you want CCP to notice further. I'm sorry I thought I actually made this thread with the intent of discussing game mechanics. After a few matches, these were my findings. I could discuss all the other matches where I flew ADS post delta. BTW, the I'm sorry was sarcasm. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2729	Posted - 2014.09.26 14:15:00 - [24] - Quote SoTa Senpai wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: After flying a few matches in Delta, I've returned with a decent speculation and data on the ADS, and what went horribly wrong with it. My first match I played on the twin towers map. I called her in about 1/4 of the way through the match, got six kills, then came three mexicans (they were in a Latino corp) with AV to camp on said towers. two of them were forges, bad ones at that, one was a swarmer. There was also a rammer after me, but he failed miserably. After they had set up camping on the towers I was completely useless. They managed to shoot me down once, but I, being the yolfswag guy I am, called in a second one, only to be forced back to the red by the rammer, whom I shot down. And even with being rendered completely useless because of over AV, I still got hate mail (score one for weakened pilots baby)! Anyway, second match I played infinitely more cautious. I even used my pilot suit (rail rifle and two range amps works wonders). dropped 16-0 despite being hounded by militia swarms wherever I turned, which is not to say we're still OP. The swarmers were poorly positioned, I also had buildings to hide behind, add to the fact that they were militia kind of helped, even though they were spaced no less than 20 meters from each other at one point. Anyway, my review: 1) I did not see any reduction to PG/CPU or price of small turrets, and I checked. 2) The python bonus, as I predicted, is complete and utter crap, the incubus can hold more tank and even fit a better AB than the python, and all I have to sacrifice for it is a little ROF (.18 ROF, to be exact). 3) nerfing the ROF on incubus by that much, also useless. and there was also a heat increase, only 7 shots were able to come out when I used it, and it overheated. 4) I will say that AB cooldown is not as bad as I predicted, it's still pretty bad though. 5) due to the increase of acceleration and speed of swarms, ducking behind a building is pretty useless, even with the homing nerf, I can probably get maybe two to hit the side of a building if I'm lucky. Anyway, that's the review. Let me point it out again since Regynum apparently didn't get through to you - This is posted in the wrong section of the forums. How so? Point to me exactly where discussing findings and research that I conducted is now in the wrong section of the forums. Exactly what makes this area the wrong place to put it. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2731	Posted - 2014.09.26 15:47:00 - [25] - Quote THEPIMP NAMED SLICKBACK wrote: Went online today after seeing all the retards complain on the forums about the rof nerf grabbed my python got hit by swarms saw little improvement on swarms not longer able to outrun 1 volley isn't a problem more balanced now the ads are still usable no longer can one man army the lobby with the lower fire rate its seems the ads it finally balanced and all the butthurt retards complaining are the ones who spam ads or stack skills with proto xt missiles and get shot down a couple times a game Thank you CCP for finally balancing the ads there are no longer john rambo with a jetpack Very few ADS pilots said our ROF didn't need nerfing, but let me ask you this question. The incubus currently can tank more than python, and has instant reps over python, which does not. The ROF as it is on the python gives us an interval of 1.08 per volley. The raw ROF on the incubus is currently 1.20. Is the ROF on the python worth it? The incubus has, as of right now: Better collision damage instant reps to armor more tank than python better fitting space The ROF was the only reason to run Python. Would you run it in exchange for all those? I do, but only because I'm too lazy to make an incubus fit. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.