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Kallas Hallytyr
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Posted - 2014.09.24 18:43:00 -
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There was no heat increase in the small railgun, but nerfing ROF means less show are fired in the same time: railgun turrets are heat build up over second, not per shot.
The Python is pretty bad, but still useable. The lower ROF basically makes the hit and run notion laughable.
The Incubus is utterly shafted. 7 shots before overheat is petty awful: I managed to kill a Madrugar because he was a terrible pilot, but dropships are now immune to dogfighting (because of the speed of the engagements and manoeuvring), HAVs are unconcerned provided they don't just sit perfectly still and make no attempts to evade; and LAVs have always been immune if the driver has a brain cell.
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Kallas Hallytyr
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Posted - 2014.09.24 19:44:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:If you managed 16/0 on your second match, sounds like you're still more than adequately powerful, given the extreme rarity I can get anywhere NEAR doing 16/0 on the ground. o_O
Glad to hear you actually lost a dropship in a pub match. Hotfix working as intended. ...this speaks more to your abilities, not ADS balance..
Definitely. Went 37/1 in the last week or so (can't remember when exactly) in a STD CalSent with STD HMG, but that apparently isn't OP, even though it cost 13k ISK. There is no substitute for skill (not SP; actual skill.)
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Kallas Hallytyr
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Posted - 2014.09.25 00:10:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Kallas Hallytyr wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:If you managed 16/0 on your second match, sounds like you're still more than adequately powerful, given the extreme rarity I can get anywhere NEAR doing 16/0 on the ground. o_O
Glad to hear you actually lost a dropship in a pub match. Hotfix working as intended. ...this speaks more to your abilities, not ADS balance.. Definitely. Went 37/1 in the last week or so (can't remember when exactly) in a STD CalSent with STD HMG, but that apparently isn't OP, even though it cost 13k ISK. There is no substitute for skill (not SP; actual skill.) Was it theoretically possible to kill the CalSent?
Indeed, exactly how it is theoretically possible to kill an ADS.
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Kallas Hallytyr
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Posted - 2014.09.25 01:19:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:Still strange Judge isn't around during this. Convenient timing. It'd be really nice if he was here. I usually don't agree with him, but he has a lot of logic to his arguments, and I think he would really raise the bar on the ADS side of the debate if he were around. Because a lot of the statements are anecdotal, which isn't useful. Judge is really great at testing and crunching the numbers. And having him around would really centralize the debate on the facts.
Ive put up loads of numbers on the small railgun... Though I dunno how useful that actually has been 
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Kallas Hallytyr
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Posted - 2014.09.25 02:17:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:Deathlord Diego wrote:are you sure it is only 7 rail shots? I have lvl 3 and I can get 7 off That's because the skill does almost nothing now.
Indeed, as Resistance says, the new ROF 'bonus' (charitable to call it a bonus for 2.48m SP)is terrible.
Railgun ROF is 92; or 1.53 shots per second; 8 shots and overheats in 5.2 seconds; 668 DPS
Incubus 5 ROF is 105.8; or 1.808 shots per second; 9 shots and overheats in 4.98 seconds; 781.9 DPS
That actually doesn't look that bad, but something is wrong with how its actually playing: were only getting 7 shots.
Fiddling with some numbers I think that the small railguns are firing correctly, but the Incubus skill is applying incorrectly. It appears that the Incubus skill is applying inversely: the fire interval is 0.65 (60++0.65=92.3, the correct ROF as per patch notes) and with a 15% increase to ROF it should be firing at 0.5525 which is 0.65+ù0.85=0.5525 but is actually firing at 0.7475 which is the result of 0.65+ù1.15=0.7475 which would actually be a decrease in ROF.
With 0.5525 (ROF 108.5) we'd have 1.808 shots per second; 9 shots in 4.98 seconds; 781.9 DPS, which would be decent
What we currently have is 0.7475 (ROF 80.3) or 1.34 shots per second; 7 shots in 5.2 seconds; 607.8 DPS.
TL;DR:
Incubus ROF is bugged and applying at a 1.15 ratio instead of a 0.85, meaning the Incubus's railgun is firing slower than the regular railgun
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Kallas Hallytyr
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Posted - 2014.09.25 03:12:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Kallas Hallytyr wrote:TL;DR:
Incubus ROF is bugged and applying at a 1.15 ratio instead of a 0.85, meaning the Incubus's railgun is firing slower than the regular railgun This sounds like a testable bug.
Indeed, I did! The whole reason I ran the calculations is because I pulled out a Gunnlogi which could fire 8 rounds from the railgun, but my Incubus could only fire 7. The numbers I posted are the only explanation I can think of, unless Rattati is right that some heat build-up has been introduced alongside the ROF somehow.
CCP Rattati wrote:None of these calculations were changed, only the values. It would be very surprising, i daresay, impossible for this behaviour to change from Charlie to Delta.
Well, I don't have the calculations like you do, but I would theorise that the ROF bonus is implemented as a multiplier to the base weapon? If that assumption is correct, then it being changed from x0.5 (Charlie) to x1.15 could have been an accidental misidentification of to what the bonus is being applied to.
Is the bonus applied to ROF or fire interval? Because that would be a big difference: ROF would warrant a x1.15 multiplier whereas it being applied to the fire interval would be a x0.85 multiplier.
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Kallas Hallytyr
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Posted - 2014.09.25 03:23:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:The bonus would have been changed from 1.1 to 1.03, that's it.
Oh ok. Then I have no idea 
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