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Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2409	Posted - 2014.08.04 16:33:00 - [1] - Quote Dear CPM1, Hotfix Charlie is shaping up to make assaults not suck quite so badly, scouts are being tweaked, and word has it logi/sentinels are on the agenda for Delta. Dozens of minor and major changes are taking place all over Dust 514. ****, I mean, we are about to have nova knives capable of destroying HAV's for chrissakes. Don't you think it is about time we sent a message to CCP that we need a respec? You are our advocates. You have CCP's ear. I'm asking politely and I'm open to hear your arguments against it... though I have heard many MANY arguments against it and none of them have convinced me yet. Sincerely, Ripley P.S. Judge Rhadamanthus, please sign my titty. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1750	Posted - 2014.08.04 16:37:00 - [2] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Dear CPM1, Hotfix Charlie is shaping up to make assaults not suck quite so badly, scouts are being tweaked, and word has it logi/sentinels are on the agenda for Delta. Dozens of minor and major changes are taking place all over Dust 514. ****, I mean, we are about to have nova knives capable of destroying HAV's for chrissakes. Don't you think it is about time we sent a message to CCP that we need a respec? You are our advocates. You have CCP's ear. I'm asking politely and I'm open to hear your arguments against it... though I have heard many MANY arguments against it and none of them have convinced me yet. Sincerely, Ripley P.S. Judge Rhadamanthus, please sign my titty. mostly because even after the heavy nerf goes live I don't want to have to re-distribute all those points? I'm happy with my choices and don't want to have to go redo everything. Now if CCP offers an opt-out of respec, I care a lot less. but I don't want to spend an hour trying to remember what I had where.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1007	Posted - 2014.08.04 16:38:00 - [3] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Dear CPM1, Hotfix Charlie is shaping up to make assaults not suck quite so badly, scouts are being tweaked, and word has it logi/sentinels are on the agenda for Delta. Dozens of minor and major changes are taking place all over Dust 514. **, I mean, we are about to have nova knives capable of destroying HAV's for chrissakes. Don't you think it is about time we sent a message to CCP that we need a respec? You are our advocates. You have CCP's ear. I'm asking politely and I'm open to hear your arguments against it... though I have heard many MANY arguments against it and none of them have convinced me yet. Sincerely, Ripley P.S. Judge Rhadamanthus, please sign my titty. IWS said , wait until after Delta and then see and there is no room for Judge to sign your * , I guess you didn't see that long line outside waiting to do the same , he won't have any room . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.**
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1007	Posted - 2014.08.04 16:48:00 - [4] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: mostly because even after the heavy nerf goes live I don't want to have to re-distribute all those points? I'm happy with my choices and don't want to have to go redo everything. Now if CCP offers an opt-out of respec, I care a lot less. but I don't want to spend an hour trying to remember what I had where. Are you kidding me ??? You would rather kill the fun of most in the community and those who have been waiting for this for some time , something that is needed to spice up this game and make it exciting again and you don't want the " trouble " of redistributing your SP's again ? I've herd this before from others and I just can't understand it . The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few . Write that $h!t down and get ready because those who would like one will not give up and we will make it happen once and for all , then after that you can crush all memories of a refund because we won't need one . You people can come up with computations and massive spreadsheets to prove your points , only to not see that point added in-game but you would stifle this game for the bulk of the community , you know ... those under 30 million SP's , just because you don't want to redistribute your skill points . Nothing says " selfish and self-centered " more , all of those in the community .. see this and ramp up your efforts after Delta and we will become victorious !!!!! Then we will see the table's turn and knock some of these privy people off of their pedestal . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2410	Posted - 2014.08.04 16:52:00 - [5] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Mostly because even after the heavy nerf goes live I don't want to have to re-distribute all those points? I'm happy with my choices and don't want to have to go redo everything. Now if CCP offers an opt-out of respec, I care a lot less. but I don't want to spend an hour trying to remember what I had where. I've heard this complaint before, and it has some merit to it. It wouldn't take you longer than 15 minutes to redistribute your SP if you were given a respec, but I get it, your time is valuable. You answered your own question with this one: have the respec be voluntary. You must submit a support ticket to request one. This would keep CCP from having to run the respec script on people who haven't been online in months anyway. Saves you time. Saves CCP time. It's a good idea. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Yankie Doodle WRONG-TURN 4	Posted - 2014.08.04 17:30:00 - [6] - Quote "NO MORE RESPECS" EVA!!!!! They are NOT needed....... if u have 50,000,000+ sp. I have 4 proto suits. 5 proto guns. Maxed core skills. All set for any nerf/buff.
Zindorak 1.U.P 244	Posted - 2014.08.04 17:37:00 - [7] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Dear CPM1, Hotfix Charlie is shaping up to make assaults not suck quite so badly, scouts are being tweaked, and word has it logi/sentinels are on the agenda for Delta. Dozens of minor and major changes are taking place all over Dust 514. ****, I mean, we are about to have nova knives capable of destroying HAV's for chrissakes. Don't you think it is about time we sent a message to CCP that we need a respec? You are our advocates. You have CCP's ear. I'm asking politely and I'm open to hear your arguments against it... though I have heard many MANY arguments against it and none of them have convinced me yet. Sincerely, Ripley P.S. Judge Rhadamanthus, please sign my titty. Wut Master of the Scrambler Pistol. Carthum Assault ScP <3
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3834	Posted - 2014.08.04 17:50:00 - [8] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Dear CPM1, Hotfix Charlie is shaping up to make assaults not suck quite so badly, scouts are being tweaked, and word has it logi/sentinels are on the agenda for Delta. Dozens of minor and major changes are taking place all over Dust 514. ****, I mean, we are about to have nova knives capable of destroying HAV's for chrissakes. Don't you think it is about time we sent a message to CCP that we need a respec? You are our advocates. You have CCP's ear. I'm asking politely and I'm open to hear your arguments against it... though I have heard many MANY arguments against it and none of them have convinced me yet. Sincerely, Ripley P.S. Judge Rhadamanthus, please sign my titty. You filthy swine! New shield module!
ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 125	Posted - 2014.08.04 17:55:00 - [9] - Quote Yankie Doodle wrote: "NO MORE RESPECS" EVA!!!!! They are NOT needed....... if u have 50,000,000+ sp. I have 4 proto suits. 5 proto guns. Maxed core skills. All set for any nerf/buff. It's not about you tho, it about the community. I've heard plenty of similar complaints and excuses, majority of them are just ones self-esteem and not thinking about others in the community. This is the reason the Game done f**ked up...
Dreis Shadowweaver D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 10	Posted - 2014.08.04 18:06:00 - [10] - Quote I'm in favour of a respec. Take for instance, the Caldari scout; many people speced into it solely for it's precision bonus, but in charlie, the the precision bonus is copy-pasted to the Amarr scout, therefore meaning that all the grind these players did was pointless, as they are left with a suit with bonuses that they don't want. It's not their fault. They deserve a respec if their suits are changing to something that they never wanted, right? Not all of us have 30 million sp to blow. Note: I just used the Calscout as an example, there are other suits that also deserve a respec. Almost all of us are affected by the changes, so we deserve a respec. Well, I once meleed an R.E.. That's all you need to know about me...

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2415	Posted - 2014.08.04 18:17:00 - [11] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Wut wut in the butt butt Please keep this thread constructive. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2415	Posted - 2014.08.04 18:17:00 - [12] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: You filthy swine! At least pull my hair if you are going to call me names. Please keep this thread constructive and on-target. I am attempting to invoke a reasonable discussion surrounding respecs vs. the community vs. CPM1. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2415	Posted - 2014.08.04 18:19:00 - [13] - Quote Yankie Doodle wrote: They are NOT needed....... if u have 50,000,000+ sp. So for you a respecs is a non-issue. Like I posted earlier, the optimal way to issue a respec would be voluntarily. You must open a support ticket to "opt in" to the respec. If you are happy with your skills then no need to open a ticket. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Apocalyptic Destroyer RestlessSpirits 52	Posted - 2014.08.04 18:20:00 - [14] - Quote Seriously ? Y'all want respecs after every Hotfix. ~R1P
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2415	Posted - 2014.08.04 18:26:00 - [15] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: Seriously? Y'all want respecs after every Hotfix. I don't want one after every hotfix. I just want a respec after CCP Rattati has finished his dropsuit overhaul. You have to admit that he has effected some very tangible buff/nerfs to certain dropsuits. I'm not debating if those changes are good or bad; that's a topic for another thread. I'm saying that the changes he has made have altered how players use certain dropsuits. This, in other MMO's, typically warrants a respec of some kind. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1009	Posted - 2014.08.04 19:08:00 - [16] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: Seriously? Y'all want respecs after every Hotfix. I don't want one after every hotfix. I just want a respec after CCP Rattati has finished his dropsuit overhaul. You have to admit that he has effected some very tangible buff/nerfs to certain dropsuits. I'm not debating if those changes are good or bad; that's a topic for another thread. I'm saying that the changes he has made have altered how players use certain dropsuits. This, in other MMO's, typically warrants a respec of some kind. You know I prob wouldn't want one if we had a full infantry on at 1.8 but that didn't happen , just drop suits and that's another thing that I don't get for those who are just asking for drop suits ... we already did that , that's like vehicles having another refund after the large turret , damage mod and repairer changes . It's not about after changes but the fact that once major overhaul's are done that totally change what and why a person picked a certain role for instance is done , something should be done to help smooth the transition . Changing tactic's and performance is needed . This game is just in need of better bonuses , bonuses that doesn't exclude any race in all roles . Every suit should have something to give as far as performance values . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Beastlina Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 44	Posted - 2014.08.04 19:10:00 - [17] - Quote So far I've only seen that peeps with a high amount of sp don't want respecs while people with around 10m-25m do. There is not really a reason to disagree with a respec other than you don't want other players to spec into something that might give you trouble or annoy you. It's lazy and selfish. I started this game over a year ago and went into min logi as my sniping suit, then into caldari logi suit for it's 5 high slots for damage mods, and now i find caldari commando is made for sniping so i have wasted sp in 2 full proto suits which blows because i don't logi at all so they are literally a 100% waste of sp. You can say "too bad, you messed up so earn some more sp" but really what is it to you? I was a noob back then and to be honest i didn't do my research. It is my fault but i have also been absent when earlier respecs were given that YOU vets have received. I am still waiting for a sincere non lazy excuse as to why respecs should be given other than "you don't need one because i don't need one".
Onesimus Tarsus I-am-a-Corporation 2418	Posted - 2014.08.04 19:12:00 - [18] - Quote Big red button in the MQ that respecs your character on demand every time. Because it just doesn't matter, and no one should care what anyone else does with their SP, ever. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r). Beh!
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2421	Posted - 2014.08.04 19:28:00 - [19] - Quote Beastlina wrote: So far I've only seen that peeps with a high amount of sp don't want respecs while people with around 10m-25m do. There is not really a reason to disagree with a respec other than you don't want other players to spec into something that might give you trouble or annoy you. It's lazy and selfish. "You don't need one because I don't need one". This is the most often repeated anti-respec talking point. It's pretty selfish honestly, but that's New Eden for you. Veterans are not going to do new players any favors. We cannot appeal to them, but we can appeal to CPM1 since they were elected to be our advocates. I sincerely hope I will see at least two of the CPM1 elect in this thread weighing in. I want to know their opinions on the subject and if they are representing our interests. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Vapor Forseti Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 831	Posted - 2014.08.04 19:30:00 - [20] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: Seriously ? Y'all want respecs after every Hotfix. It's been over a year since we got a full respec. There should be an annual respec for those who want one IMO. *PHOTON GEAR* a¦ÑGîúa¦Ñ

Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Top Men. 2451	Posted - 2014.08.04 19:34:00 - [21] - Quote Respecs require some work client side, Which is not going to happen because legion ruined more peoples trust then just their players but also sony. Now that thats on CCPs record I doubt anybody else will support them after lying to sony. Dust may not ever get a client side fix (Respec) ever again. *Put these items in legion as they will add diversity to vehicles as they did before!*
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2421	Posted - 2014.08.04 19:36:00 - [22] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Respecs require some work client side, Which is not going to happen because legion ruined more peoples trust then just their players but also sony. Now that thats on CCPs record I doubt anybody else will support them after lying to sony. Dust may not ever get a client side fix (Respec) ever again. I'm fairly certain that SP accrual is stored server side. Letting that kind of data be stored client side could allow players to modify it... and we both know how that would turn out. CCP would have to run a script one each player's account that requested a respec. This script would unallocate all of their SP server side. Upon their next login they would synchronize with the server and bingo: 100% unallocated SP. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2988	Posted - 2014.08.04 19:40:00 - [23] - Quote I have publicly stated in the past, more than once, that I think respecs are horrible horrible things that should never ever happen ever ever. Skill points are always increasing, and it's easy to get new roles as your skill points expand. Respecs, in my opinion, just encourage Fit-Of-The-Month speccing. And contrary to popular belief, it will not kill you to use a standard or advanced suit for a while. That being said, if you want one, you guys need to make a centralized and clear demand for it, not a spamfest that just gets removed, locked, or banned. Feedback/Requests would be the best place for such a thing. The big thing is that respecs are very hard to do optionally, and are generally coupled with major releases. (My personal guess: If skill points transfer to Legion, you'll get to spend them again, for instance.) A lot of people actually find respecs very irritating, because they have to reset everything so they can play again. Optional respecs are very time consuming because they have to be done through the ticket system. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2421	Posted - 2014.08.04 19:52:00 - [24] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I have publicly stated in the past, more than once, that I think respecs are horrible horrible things that should never ever happen ever ever. Skill points are always increasing, and it's easy to get new roles as your skill points expand. Respecs, in my opinion, just encourage Fit-Of-The-Month speccing. And contrary to popular belief, it will not kill you to use a standard or advanced suit for a while. That being said, if you want one, you guys need to make a centralized and clear demand for it, not a spamfest that just gets removed, locked, or banned. Feedback/Requests would be the best place for such a thing. The big thing is that respecs are very hard to do optionally, and are generally coupled with major releases. (My personal guess: If skill points transfer to Legion, you'll get to spend them again, for instance.) A lot of people actually find respecs very irritating, because they have to reset everything so they can play again. Optional respecs are very time consuming because they have to be done through the ticket system. Thank you Soraya. The FotM argument doesn't particularly move me since the players most interested in FoTM fits usually bank 1m+ SP before every major drop anyway. Repec or not, their goal is achieved... but I digress. How are we not presenting a centralized demand for this in General Discussion? Around hotfix time dozens of players post threads, the same few people (usually veterans with 40+mil SP) oppose them, while newer players request respecs. CCP ignores these requests and most CPM seem to clam up. The most I have EVER heard in recent history about respecs from a CPM was IWS saying to ask again around Delta. Plus, you and I both know that Feedback and Ideas does not have the traffic that General Discussion does. You are probably right, by the way, when/if Legion launches we will get an SP refund of some form... but that's potentially years away. We MIGHT have an alpha in 2015, but that's being conservative. We the players have quite a while left in Dust 514 and I want to spend that time with our SP invested wisely. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1754	Posted - 2014.08.04 20:19:00 - [25] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Are you kidding me ??? You would rather kill the fun of most in the community and those who have been waiting for this for some time , something that is needed to spice up this game and make it exciting again and you don't want the " trouble " of redistributing your SP's again ? I've herd this before from others and I just can't understand it . The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few . Write that $h!t down and get ready because those who would like one will not give up and we will make it happen once and for all , then after that you can crush all memories of a refund because we won't need one . You people can come up with computations and massive spreadsheets to prove your points , only to not see that point added in-game but you would stifle this game for the bulk of the community , you know ... those under 30 million SP's , just because you don't want to redistribute your skill points . Nothing says " selfish and self-centered " more , all of those in the community .. see this and ramp up your efforts after Delta and we will become victorious !!!!! Then we will see the table's turn and knock some of these privy people off of their pedestal . That's right sweet baby, squeeze those tears out for the vials... yessss, thank you. My quota for Goonwaffe has been met for the month.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2992	Posted - 2014.08.04 20:39:00 - [26] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Plus, you and I both know that Feedback and Ideas does not have the traffic that General Discussion does. Sure, but in General Discussion, Logibro will o_o at you and lock your thread because it doesn't belong there. Quote: We the players have quite a while left in Dust 514 and I want to spend that time with our SP invested wisely. My personal opinion is that you already invested it. Whether you invested it well or badly, you're kinda past that point once you've spent it. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2422	Posted - 2014.08.04 20:46:00 - [27] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Sure, but in General Discussion, Logibro will o_o at you and lock your thread because it doesn't belong there. ... true. Soraya Xel wrote: My personal opinion is that you already invested it. Whether you invested it well or badly, you're kinda past that point once you've spent it. Some of the skills we invested in are changing... some skills are changing more than others, but the point still stands. We invested in skills expecting them to do X, then CCP made them do Y and now CCP is asking us to live with the "choice" of picking Y... we didn't invest in Y, we invested in X damn it. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 303	Posted - 2014.08.04 20:48:00 - [28] - Quote I have posted my opinion on this subject before and I guess I will again here: Though CCP will never come out and state this, they will not give a SP refund because it would discourage Aurum/Booster sales. I understand the game is dying, no need to point out the obvious for the 1000th time. The majority are taking the view on this issue from a personal perspective. Understandable but short sighted. CCP is providing you a free form of entertainment. However, they require revenue streams to offset expenses. Gamers are still buying Aurum. If as a result of a hotfix someone wants to skill into something new, well, that's good for business from CCP's POV and rightfully so. If a respec is given, fewer impatients will want to buy Aurum/Boosters to get SP. They will now have all the SP they need for what they want. No need for SP boosters. It is that simple IMO. It's a business. Why so few seem to understand that escapes me. CCP owes you nothing. P.S. I am not defending them in any way. But this is the way the world works. If you ever have a question about something and don't know the answer why...the answer is MONEY. Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 2420	Posted - 2014.08.04 20:49:00 - [29] - Quote ...I'm not sure the Swarm Launcher deserves my precious SP anymore... Dust Loyalist *Greedy Bastards*
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 2420	Posted - 2014.08.04 20:52:00 - [30] - Quote The Swarm Launcher is more like an ineffective flyswatter. Who needs that?! Dust Loyalist *Greedy Bastards*

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2422	Posted - 2014.08.04 20:54:00 - [31] - Quote Anarchide wrote: ...I'm not sure the Swarm Launcher deserves my precious SP anymore... It is getting some balancing in Charlie I hear. I'm waiting to get excited until after I have a chance to use it a bit. Eruditus 920 wrote: Though CCP will never come out and state this, they will not give a SP refund because it would discourage Aurum/Booster sales. You might be right about this. I would love to hear CCP's counterargument to this point. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2992	Posted - 2014.08.04 21:04:00 - [32] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Some of the skills we invested in are changing... some skills are changing more than others, but the point still stands. We invested in skills expecting them to do X, then CCP made them do Y and now CCP is asking us to live with the "choice" of picking Y... we didn't invest in Y, we invested in X damn it. This happens all the time in EVE. EVE players accept this. DUST players whine and cry about it. My personal opinion is DUST players need more backbone. ;) Eruditus 920 wrote: Though CCP will never come out and state this, they will not give a SP refund because it would discourage Aurum/Booster sales. My solution: CCP should sell skill respecs. They're completely unnecessary, but for those that insist, they can be available, and also help pay to keep the game running. Of course, any sort of skill respec token would require a client patch and such. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Mr Hakyou 36	Posted - 2014.08.04 21:07:00 - [33] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Some of the skills we invested in are changing... some skills are changing more than others, but the point still stands. We invested in skills expecting them to do X, then CCP made them do Y and now CCP is asking us to live with the "choice" of picking Y... we didn't invest in Y, we invested in X damn it. This happens all the time in EVE. EVE players accept this. DUST players whine and cry about it. My personal opinion is DUST players need more backbone. ;) Eruditus 920 wrote: Though CCP will never come out and state this, they will not give a SP refund because it would discourage Aurum/Booster sales. My solution: CCP should sell skill respecs. They're completely unnecessary, but for those that insist, they can be available, and also help pay to keep the game running. Of course, any sort of skill respec token would require a client patch and such. You're gonna fit right in at CCP.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 819	Posted - 2014.08.04 21:10:00 - [34] - Quote Respecs kill booster sales. Things are changed so much that if they gave out respecs every time it would take twice as long to get anything done as the staff is busy handing out respecs. Constant respecs would make people even more likely to run FOTM stuff only expecting to get their SP back. This would make balancing impossible. Above I have listed a few of the reasons that come to mind when people start asking for respecs. I can not say if any or all of these cross CCPs mind but at the end of the day I can think of many more reasons to be VERY conservative with respecs than to give them out in many situations.
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2638	Posted - 2014.08.04 21:11:00 - [35] - Quote I just wanted to say that I am following this thread and have read every post so far. I'm interested in the opinions of both sides. i'm keen to hear your views on this as the pros and cons change after each hotfix, making it an issue that should be revisited when raised. Also I have my sharpie at the ready.... Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Vapor Forseti Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 833	Posted - 2014.08.04 21:12:00 - [36] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Some of the skills we invested in are changing... some skills are changing more than others, but the point still stands. We invested in skills expecting them to do X, then CCP made them do Y and now CCP is asking us to live with the "choice" of picking Y... we didn't invest in Y, we invested in X damn it. This happens all the time in EVE. EVE players accept this. DUST players whine and cry about it. My personal opinion is DUST players need more backbone. ;) Eruditus 920 wrote: Though CCP will never come out and state this, they will not give a SP refund because it would discourage Aurum/Booster sales. My solution: CCP should sell skill respecs. They're completely unnecessary, but for those that insist, they can be available, and also help pay to keep the game running. Of course, any sort of skill respec token would require a client patch and such. Respecs for certain skill trees in exchange for a generous amount of aurum seems like it could possibly work out. *PHOTON GEAR* a¦ÑGîúa¦Ñ
buzzzzzzz killllllllll Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 662	Posted - 2014.08.04 21:14:00 - [37] - Quote i think a respec is needed for people who got their suits/roles/fits ****** up, but i hate how they just spec into fotm. personally, i have no need of a respec, as i have proto amarr sentinel (best one next patch, probably fotm), cal scout (great for running solo, plus damp bonus is even better), and my sp's into cores, biotics, and shield/armor. however, some people have suits or weapons that got made much worse by patches, and deserve at least a partial respec
Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 1200	Posted - 2014.08.04 21:22:00 - [38] - Quote I say this every time; I'm a fan of respecs but I also like having a challenge. Soraya Xel wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Some of the skills we invested in are changing... some skills are changing more than others, but the point still stands. We invested in skills expecting them to do X, then CCP made them do Y and now CCP is asking us to live with the "choice" of picking Y... we didn't invest in Y, we invested in X damn it. This happens all the time in EVE. EVE players accept this. DUST players whine and cry about it. My personal opinion is DUST players need more backbone. ;) So not only do EVE players accept getting screwed over by CCP, they also pay CCP monthly to do it. Sounds to me that Dust players aren't the ones that need more backbone. Kill Scotty
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2993	Posted - 2014.08.04 21:28:00 - [39] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: So not only do EVE players accept getting screwed over by CCP, they also pay CCP monthly to do it. Sounds to me that Dust players aren't the ones that need more backbone. The very nature of the SP system is designed around not having respecs. Which is why they're never offered in EVE, unless the skill in question is actually removed from the game. (Which happens extremely rarely.) Games have respecs because they have a cap on skill or talent points you can spend, so you occasionally need to redistribute them. But games with infinite SP like EVE and DUST it is intended for you to continue to play to unlock additional roles and abilities. This isn't World of Warcraft. I can't trade my Bachelor's Degree in Game and Simulation Programming for one in Computer Science just because I work in IT instead of game development. If I want a different degree, I have to go back to school. Similarly, your clone learns new things over time, it can't just change what it already learned into something else. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 216	Posted - 2014.08.04 21:28:00 - [40] - Quote Yankie Doodle wrote: "NO MORE RESPECS" EVA!!!!! They are NOT needed....... if u have 50,000,000+ sp. I have 4 proto suits. 5 proto guns. Maxed core skills. All set for any nerf/buff. Ok what about the rest of the community that has under 50 mil sp. My tears come out of my dick so have fun with that cup of 'em.

Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 1200	Posted - 2014.08.04 21:28:00 - [41] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Respecs require some work client side, Which is not going to happen because legion ruined more peoples trust then just their players but also sony. Now that thats on CCPs record I doubt anybody else will support them after lying to sony. Dust may not ever get a client side fix (Respec) ever again. Do you really think they would put SP client side? I give CCP sh!t all the time for their asinine decisions but come on man, not even they would be dumb enough to put that client side. Kill Scotty
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2995	Posted - 2014.08.04 21:30:00 - [42] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: Respecs require some work client side, Which is not going to happen because legion ruined more peoples trust then just their players but also sony. Now that thats on CCPs record I doubt anybody else will support them after lying to sony. Dust may not ever get a client side fix (Respec) ever again. Do you really think they would put SP client side? I give CCP sh!t all the time for their asinine decisions but come on man, not even they would be dumb enough to put that client side. The issue is that they either have to respec everyone, which a lot of people don't want, and also takes time, and is prone to issues happening, or they have to respec selectively on support tickets, which takes even more time, and makes devs have to stop working on other things to handle, or they have to create an actual respec option in the game, for ISK or AUR or whatever, which requires a client patch. No matter what, respecs have some major cons to development time. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 1200	Posted - 2014.08.04 21:34:00 - [43] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Thumb Green wrote: So not only do EVE players accept getting screwed over by CCP, they also pay CCP monthly to do it. Sounds to me that Dust players aren't the ones that need more backbone. The very nature of the SP system is designed around not having respecs. Which is why they're never offered in EVE, unless the skill in question is actually removed from the game. (Which happens extremely rarely.) Games have respecs because they have a cap on skill or talent points you can spend, so you occasionally need to redistribute them. But games with infinite SP like EVE and DUST it is intended for you to continue to play to unlock additional roles and abilities. This isn't World of Warcraft. I can't trade my Bachelor's Degree in Game and Simulation Programming for one in Computer Science just because I work in IT instead of game development. If I want a different degree, I have to go back to school. Similarly, your clone learns new things over time, it can't just change what it already learned into something else. Honestly, I don't give a damn about any of that. All I want is for as many people as possible to be able to put up a challenge at any given time and if that means handing out respecs then by god hand out respecs. Kill Scotty
Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 1200	Posted - 2014.08.04 21:40:00 - [44] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: The issue is that they either have to respec everyone, which a lot of people don't want, and also takes time, and is prone to issues happening, or they have to respec selectively on support tickets, which takes even more time, and makes devs have to stop working on other things to handle, or they have to create an actual respec option in the game, for ISK or AUR or whatever, which requires a client patch. No matter what, respecs have some major cons to development time. Takes time? All they have to do is click the mouse because it should already be automated and is only prone to issues if they fck something up, which this is CCP so I'll give you that one. And screw the people that don't want everyone to have respecs; they're just afraid of competition. Kill Scotty
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 1131	Posted - 2014.08.04 21:48:00 - [45] - Quote I just want my points into weapons back. We have had respecs in all other categories (aside from dropsuit upgrades), so why not weapons. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Beastlina Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 47	Posted - 2014.08.04 21:51:00 - [46] - Quote buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: i think a respec is needed for people who got their suits/roles/fits ****** up, but i hate how they just spec into fotm. personally, i have no need of a respec, as i have proto amarr sentinel (best one next patch, probably fotm), cal scout (great for running solo, plus damp bonus is even better), and my sp's into cores, biotics, and shield/armor. however, some people have suits or weapons that got made much worse by patches, and deserve at least a partial respec The flip side to this FOTM thing is that I think for a lot of people it's not getting into fotm suits it's getting out of their crappy ones that were ruined, changed, out suddenly outclassed at the same role but by a different suit. At least for me that's the case. I would use the sp from one full proto suit and just dump it into my core skills and electronics and add the other into commando. So yea i agree with the partial if it's on dropsuits but that would still allow for the fotm switches which sucks. I don't 100% agree with that aurum sales argument because a new player getting a respec with like 1m-5m sp is still gonna need a lot more sp and if he was intending to buy any boosters he still would if he had the intentions to continue the game in the first place. For higher sp players it would probably affect boosters sales, but then again they would be needing a whole bunch of new suits too and aurum sales for dropsuits would probably go up. I don't know if that would compensate really but just saying there are 2 sides to the coin and it wouldn't be a total loss for CCP.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1010	Posted - 2014.08.04 21:55:00 - [47] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I have publicly stated in the past, more than once, that I think respecs are horrible horrible things that should never ever happen ever ever. Skill points are always increasing, and it's easy to get new roles as your skill points expand. Respecs, in my opinion, just encourage Fit-Of-The-Month speccing. And contrary to popular belief, it will not kill you to use a standard or advanced suit for a while. That being said, if you want one, you guys need to make a centralized and clear demand for it, not a spamfest that just gets removed, locked, or banned. Feedback/Requests would be the best place for such a thing. The big thing is that respecs are very hard to do optionally, and are generally coupled with major releases. (My personal guess: If skill points transfer to Legion, you'll get to spend them again, for instance.) A lot of people actually find respecs very irritating, because they have to reset everything so they can play again. Optional respecs are very time consuming because they have to be done through the ticket system. Thank you Soraya. The FotM argument doesn't particularly move me since the players most interested in FoTM fits usually bank 1m+ SP before every major drop anyway. Repec or not, their goal is achieved... but I digress. How are we not presenting a centralized demand for this in General Discussion? Around hotfix time dozens of players post threads, the same few people (usually veterans with 40+mil SP) oppose them, while newer players request respecs. CCP ignores these requests and most CPM seem to clam up. The most I have EVER heard in recent history about respecs from a CPM was IWS saying to ask again around Delta. Plus, you and I both know that Feedback and Ideas does not have the traffic that General Discussion does. You are probably right, by the way, when/if Legion launches we will get an SP refund of some form... but that's potentially years away. We MIGHT have an alpha in 2015, but that's being conservative. We the players have quite a while left in Dust 514 and I want to spend that time with our SP invested wisely. Where's that bandwagon and where do I get on at ..??.. I'm not ashamed to admit it . It's about time people start to speak up and talk about this instead of having the same people talk about this and for so long , you would think this would have been done .. just to shut the community up , but if it's happening after Delta .. I would gladly take that and shut the hell up afterwards . I don't want to wait until the end though where that really would not matter because the servers will be going down . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2996	Posted - 2014.08.04 21:59:00 - [48] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Takes time? All they have to do is click the mouse because it should already be automated and is only prone to issues if they fck something up, which this is CCP so I'll give you that one. And screw the people that don't want everyone to have respecs; they're just afraid of competition. "Should" and "is" are two different things. ;) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1010	Posted - 2014.08.04 22:10:00 - [49] - Quote Beastlina wrote: buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: i think a respec is needed for people who got their suits/roles/fits **** up, but i hate how they just spec into fotm. personally, i have no need of a respec, as i have proto amarr sentinel (best one next patch, probably fotm), cal scout (great for running solo, plus damp bonus is even better), and my sp's into cores, biotics, and shield/armor. however, some people have suits or weapons that got made much worse by patches, and deserve at least a partial respec The flip side to this FOTM thing is that I think for a lot of people it's not getting into fotm suits it's getting out of their crappy ones that were ruined, changed, out suddenly outclassed at the same role but by a different suit. At least for me that's the case. I would use the sp from one full proto suit and just dump it into my core skills and electronics and add the other into commando. So yea i agree with the partial if it's on dropsuits but that would still allow for the fotm switches which sucks. I don't 100% agree with that aurum sales argument because a new player getting a respec with like 1m-5m sp is still gonna need a lot more sp and if he was intending to buy any boosters he still would if he had the intentions to continue the game in the first place. For higher sp players it would probably affect boosters sales, but then again they would be needing a whole bunch of new suits too and aurum sales for dropsuits would probably go up. I don't know if that would compensate really but just saying there are 2 sides to the coin and it wouldn't be a total loss for CCP. Most of the time it's the same people who go FOTM and then tell the community about the advantages of doing so , they have SP pools of unallocated SP's and they are already maxed out in so many area's so they can just sit back and accumulate . It's senseless to talk about how refunds bank FOTM because that's a farce in itself . I don't have a bank and I have to make every point count , where you have those who are sitting on a bank and they will be quick to tell you , " Why don't you just grind like the rest of us ??? " .. while they sit on a passive booster saying so , your not grinding ... the person with 50 or 60 million SP's are not grinding , hence the quick response as to tell you what you should do and STFU while doing so . That's Bull$h!t . This game is leaving , lets have and make it fun while were trying to balance out some of the kinks before it get's transplanted and I'm not one of those asking for the floodgates to be open , I'm just wanting to have the best experience before something that's taken away , that I had plans for but now that means nothing anymore . I would like to have fun with my 27 million like I have 30 or 35 million because of the chance to distribute where needed . Making the most of what I have and that's only right for a game that talks about customization while making multiple changes and stripping the choices away through role killing bonuses . Time to stop throwing things at a board in hopes that it sticks , these things should be well thought out as to not cripple any race and so .. every race has something to bring to the table but it's not that overwhelming than the rest as to have representation during the battlefield experience . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.**
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1278	Posted - 2014.08.04 22:24:00 - [50] - Quote You're not getting a respec. Protip: Next time you hear about a hotfix, start saving SP. That way you'll have them saved up rather than QQing about a respec that won't happen.

BlazeXYZ xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 85	Posted - 2014.08.04 22:42:00 - [51] - Quote Respec after delta that's all we want. Dust then will be a final product and then it's logical to give a final respec. Why did they give of us a full respec a year ago when we're still fixing the game now for a final product. WTF happened a year ago. The Blazing Intellect Machine
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries 674	Posted - 2014.08.04 23:35:00 - [52] - Quote Gone since May and come back and things are still the same lol. I'm just glad I specced into all different classes of suits from multiple scout suits, with amarr assault and sentinel and logi. Although I am pissed it looks like my gallente scout suit is taking a nerf. Why am I still here yet?
BlazeXYZ xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 86	Posted - 2014.08.04 23:42:00 - [53] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: Gone since May and come back and things are still the same lol. I'm just glad I specced into all different classes of suits from multiple scout suits, with amarr assault and sentinel and logi. Although I am pissed it looks like my gallente scout suit is taking a nerf. I beginning to think that they never actually intended to fix this game a year ago . I just hate the fact they gave us a respec at a time like that. That's so freakin random. The Blazing Intellect Machine
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries 675	Posted - 2014.08.04 23:56:00 - [54] - Quote BlazeXYZ wrote: LEHON Xeon wrote: Gone since May and come back and things are still the same lol. I'm just glad I specced into all different classes of suits from multiple scout suits, with amarr assault and sentinel and logi. Although I am pissed it looks like my gallente scout suit is taking a nerf. I beginning to think that they never actually intended to fix this game a year ago . I just hate the fact they gave us a respec at a time like that. That's so freakin random. It's CCP; you can't expect any beneficial actions or thought patterns. Something I learned long ago. Why am I still here yet?
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1012	Posted - 2014.08.05 00:09:00 - [55] - Quote BlazeXYZ wrote: WTF happened a year ago ? Legion , and that was their " guilt trip " . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
ROMULUS H3X research lab 137	Posted - 2014.08.05 00:35:00 - [56] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: mostly because even after the heavy nerf goes live I don't want to have to re-distribute all those points? I'm happy with my choices and don't want to have to go redo everything. Now if CCP offers an opt-out of respec, I care a lot less. but I don't want to spend an hour trying to remember what I had where. Are you kidding me ??? You would rather kill the fun of most in the community and those who have been waiting for this for some time , something that is needed to spice up this game and make it exciting again and you don't want the " trouble " of redistributing your SP's again ? I've herd this before from others and I just can't understand it . The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few . Write that $h!t down and get ready because those who would like one will not give up and we will make it happen once and for all , then after that you can crush all memories of a refund because we won't need one . You people can come up with computations and massive spreadsheets to prove your points , only to not see that point added in-game but you would stifle this game for the bulk of the community , you know ... those under 30 million SP's , just because you don't want to redistribute your skill points . Nothing says " selfish and self-centered " more , all of those in the community .. see this and ramp up your efforts after Delta and we will become victorious !!!!! Then we will see the table's turn and knock some of these privy people off of their pedestal . I love this and your attitude. Let's get this respec on the road, don't turn back. FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS--NUFF SED YOU SHALL NOT CATCH ME FOR I AM THE GINGERBREAD FATMAN -Romulus H3X
Dingleburt Bangledack 242	Posted - 2014.08.05 03:38:00 - [57] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: My solution: CCP should sell skill respecs. They're completely unnecessary, but for those that insist, they can be available, and also help pay to keep the game running. Of course, any sort of skill respec token would require a client patch and such. There was a thread back in the day that had the suggestion for a new kind of "booster". It was a booster that wouldn't give you additional SP but instead would slowly drain out SP from a skill of your choice and add it back into your unallocated pool. I can't remember who suggested it but I do remember that a few devs at the time had a sound interest in the idea. I'm neither for nor against respecs but that booster idea still seems like a decent compromise, I guess. Then again... Client Side...
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5657	Posted - 2014.08.05 04:35:00 - [58] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Dear CPM1, Hotfix Charlie is shaping up to make assaults not suck quite so badly, scouts are being tweaked, and word has it logi/sentinels are on the agenda for Delta. Dozens of minor and major changes are taking place all over Dust 514. **, I mean, we are about to have nova knives capable of destroying HAV's for chrissakes. Don't you think it is about time we sent a message to CCP that we need a respec? You are our advocates. You have CCP's ear. I'm asking politely and I'm open to hear your arguments against it... though I have heard many MANY arguments against it and none of them have convinced me yet. Sincerely, Ripley P.S. Judge Rhadamanthus, please sign my titty. I dont EVEN NEED A RESPEC, but every time i get one this game has some new air to it, me being able to use different stuff! So im up for this, not to mention Gal scout is way too easy mode and im bored of it. Might go Cal/Min scout and Cal assault if a respec would be at hand. (im REALLY into CAldari tech lately for some reason) Even a Cal Heavy would be an option.... The best Damage mod** is a HEADSHOT....
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3084	Posted - 2014.08.05 05:11:00 - [59] - Quote I don't understand the logic behind the "FOTM anti-respec" argument. Everyone still playing is skilled into some form of FOTM. If a player is not a Scout, then he or she is a Heavy. If a player is not skilled into CRs, then he or she is most likely skilled into RRs and ScRs. As for sidearms, it's almost a staple for everyone to have at least Operations 1 in SMGs, as that is all that's required to be efficient. As I see it, there can not be a worse FOTM epidemic than what we have now. A respec wouldn't do any more damage to this already dying game. Yes, some people are against having to reallocate their skill points, but I have to ask one thing: are they that damned lazy? Although I have no need for a respec, I am not against having one. I've accumulated enough SP to skill into everything I've wanted and having to redistribute those points will do me no harm. One final respec would neither benefit nor hurt those who have invested at least a year into this game. If anything, a respec would only help those who have invested less time as it would enable them to properly flush out their skills. Any player with less than 15 mil SP would have the chance to better optimize his or her skill tree, and because the game does a **** poor job of properly guiding new players in the ways of specialization, this could be their chance to make something decent out of their toons. I say, "Yay," to respecs.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 194	Posted - 2014.08.05 05:13:00 - [60] - Quote I hope you realize that CPM1 has no real power. Same with CPM0. Their job is essentially information gathering. I'll see you guys on Legion when the Steambox is released

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2445	Posted - 2014.08.05 12:18:00 - [61] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: The very nature of the SP system is designed around not having respecs. Which is why they're never offered in EVE, unless the skill in question is actually removed from the game. (Which happens extremely rarely.) Games have respecs because they have a cap on skill or talent points you can spend, so you occasionally need to redistribute them. But games with infinite SP like EVE and DUST it is intended for you to continue to play to unlock additional roles and abilities. From a game design standpoint, I see what you are saying, and in Eve Online's case you are 100% correct. Let's please not forget that Eve Online's balance is in a much better state that Dust 514; Eve Online can boast racial ship, weapon, and module symmetry and a fully-featured tutorial. Let us also not forget that, up until recently, new players' starting fits all had the assault rifle instead of their racial rifles. Can you imagine how many players dumped hundreds of thousands of SP into the assault rifle thinking it was the preferred weapon to use with an Amarr medium dropsuit? Your argument would be 100% valid if Dust 514 more balanced and actually taught new players the proper way to fit their dropsuits, but it does not. It allows new players to make poor choices early on without first teaching them the correct way of doing things. TL;DR - If Dust 514 had a tutorial explaining what modules, weapons, and equipment pair well with each race then if new players ignorantly spend their SP it is their own fault. Soraya Xel wrote: I can't trade my Bachelor's Degree in Game and Simulation Programming for one in Computer Science just because I work in IT instead of game development. If I want a different degree, I have to go back to school. Similarly, your clone learns new things over time, it can't just change what it already learned into something else. Soraya... please... we have micro-wormholes that transport us to the battlefield, guns that magnetically throw plasma, cloaking technology, clouds of nanomachines that repair our armor, and the ability to move our consciousnesses to a new body upon death... are you really going to make a lore-based argument now? KING CHECKMATE wrote: I dont EVEN NEED A RESPEC, but every time I get one this game has some new air to it, me being able to use different stuff! I second this sentiment. CCP Logibro or CCP Rattati, if you are reading this thread, a respec in the near future will lure players back into Dust and each one of them has the potential to buy AUR. In addition, existing players who never left will be pleased some of their old friends are returning and suddenly the game is made less stale for them. It will please a large percentage of your playerbase. LT SHANKS wrote: I say, "Yay," to respecs. Yet another player who wants a respec. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Assault Swarm Launcher Caldari State 236	Posted - 2014.08.05 13:12:00 - [62] - Quote Anarchide wrote: ...I'm not sure the Swarm Launcher deserves my precious SP anymore... Don't leave me. "Chances are I'm going to kill you or replace you with something new..." -CCP Logibro
BlazeXYZ xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 93	Posted - 2014.08.05 13:49:00 - [63] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: I second this sentiment. CCP Logibro or CCP Rattati, if you are reading this thread, a respec in the near future will lure players back into Dust and each one of them has the potential to buy AUR. In addition, existing players who never left will be pleased some of their old friends are returning and suddenly the game is made less stale for them. It will please a large percentage of your playerbase. They better consider one since this game changed constantly. Can someone please tell me why they gave a full respec a year ago when we're fixing the game now for a final product? What they should of done was give a partial respec a year ago and a full respec after delta. Who agrees? The Blazing Intellect Machine
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2999	Posted - 2014.08.05 13:54:00 - [64] - Quote BlazeXYZ wrote: They better consider one since this game changed constantly. Can someone please tell me why they gave a full respec a year ago when we're fixing the game now for a final product? What they should of done was give a partial respec a year ago and a full respec after delta. Who agrees? This argument is mostly why I thought giving people respecs before was a bad idea too. It gives people the mindset they should get them. o_o CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
BlazeXYZ xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 93	Posted - 2014.08.05 14:25:00 - [65] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: BlazeXYZ wrote: They better consider one since this game changed constantly. Can someone please tell me why they gave a full respec a year ago when we're fixing the game now for a final product? What they should of done was give a partial respec a year ago and a full respec after delta. Who agrees? This argument is mostly why I thought giving people respecs before was a bad idea too. It gives people the mindset they should get them. o_o LOL. Who said i wanted a respec before. A respec at a time where half the problems of this game wasn't fixed and yet it was a great idea to give full respec a time like that. The Blazing Intellect Machine
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 443	Posted - 2014.08.05 14:26:00 - [66] - Quote Here we go again, the memories of 1.8 Players should get a respec. Reasons: Back when I joined at the cusp of Uprising, I could not get a Respec. I had 500k SP, and I was getting slaughtered. No tutorial to help me.Then, I specced in the Assault Rifle, because the Scrambler seemed strange, and while everyone was slaying in it, I had no idea of the skill system, that I could just spec into something. I used the Assault Rilfe throughout play, and watched it be eclipsed again and again. Then the Combat Rifle came out, and I learned about racial parity, and suits. I don't want points in the Assault Rifle. I want only my Combat Rifle and my Mass Driver, Flaylock, and Submachine Gun. Dust 514 is about being the soldier YOU want to be. The reasons we didn't get a respec in 1.8 boggles me. You are adding suits, people want to play their suit a certain way. Why the hell would a scout need points in HMGs? Why would a Minmatar Logi want points into Cardiac Regulators if they use to run scouts? "Players should branch out" Players should do whatever they want. You do not have the right to tell me that I should keep my sp because "I might need it." I want to use my sp at that moment, and it has been a year. There are mistakes, there have been changes. FOTM is a lie, made up because everyone hates getting stomped. If people were stomping you in the Minmatar Scout, would you call it OP, or would you say they're just good players? Oh no but the second you see an Amarr Scout, everyone thinks it's FOTM. Well of course it is, it is taking the bonus of the Cal Scout. That is not FOTM when people go into a suit that they have always wanted. That is bs to claim otherwise, and i will be damned if people are against a Respec after Delta, because you cannot blame a player for making mistakes when the game screwed up. You can change things, but something as radical as bonuses? Respec. You want to change Heavies, respec. People specced in the Gallente Sentnel because it had more Lows than the Amarr so they could Armor stack. Is it there fault CCP screwed up and gave the Gallente (Armor-Reppers), more Lows than Armor stackers?! If you're going to screw people over, then you sure as hell better teach them first. e +1 for a Respec, and I don't care if I get banned, I will get one, and so will everyone who wants one. I miss the old GAM crew :( RESPEC PLEASE After Delta CEO of GODS AMONG MEN Clone Wars forever #Starwars: Battlefront
BlazeXYZ xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 93	Posted - 2014.08.05 14:31:00 - [67] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: Here we go again, the memories of 1.8 Players should get a respec. Reasons: Back when I joined at the cusp of Uprising, I could not get a Respec. I had 500k SP, and I was getting slaughtered. No tutorial to help me.Then, I specced in the Assault Rifle, because the Scrambler seemed strange, and while everyone was slaying in it, I had no idea of the skill system, that I could just spec into something. I used the Assault Rilfe throughout play, and watched it be eclipsed again and again. Then the Combat Rifle came out, and I learned about racial parity, and suits. I don't want points in the Assault Rifle. I want only my Combat Rifle and my Mass Driver, Flaylock, and Submachine Gun. Dust 514 is about being the soldier YOU want to be. The reasons we didn't get a respec in 1.8 boggles me. You are adding suits, people want to play their suit a certain way. Why the hell would a scout need points in HMGs? Why would a Minmatar Logi want points into Cardiac Regulators if they use to run scouts? "Players should branch out" Players should do whatever they want. You do not have the right to tell me that I should keep my sp because "I might need it." I want to use my sp at that moment, and it has been a year. There are mistakes, there have been changes. FOTM is a lie, made up because everyone hates getting stomped. If people were stomping you in the Minmatar Scout, would you call it OP, or would you say they're just good players? Oh no but the second you see an Amarr Scout, everyone thinks it's FOTM. Well of course it is, it is taking the bonus of the Cal Scout. That is not FOTM when people go into a suit that they have always wanted. That is bs to claim otherwise, and i will be damned if people are against a Respec after Delta, because you cannot blame a player for making mistakes when the game screwed up. You can change things, but something as radical as bonuses? Respec. You want to change Heavies, respec. People specced in the Gallente Sentnel because it had more Lows than the Amarr so they could Armor stack. Is it there fault CCP screwed up and gave the Gallente (Armor-Reppers), more Lows than Armor stackers?! If you're going to screw people over, then you sure as hell better teach them first. e +1 for a Respec, and I don't care if I get banned, I will get one, and so will everyone who wants one. Well said +1 The Blazing Intellect Machine
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 443	Posted - 2014.08.05 14:37:00 - [68] - Quote I just get so angry about this. A whole year? Vets saying that you don't need one? Dude, I didn't know to put points into my cores as a new player? I specced into every weapon because I came from Ghost Recon: Future Soldier and COD, and I saw Assault Rifle. I said, "Hmmm, pick the gun I know, or the one with the weird name..." I went AR. I didn't meet anyone willing to "train me" until 3 months after playing. Even then, I didn't meet a person who properly warned me on what to skill into until 10 months ago (Ghostt Shadow). By that point, i'd squandered over 7 million SP, and I refuse to let it be locked in things I do not want. This game is about choice, we had over 50 pages of support for a full Infantry Respec in 1.8. They said no. They'll probably say no to this and lock this thread. So be it, I'll make another. I'll wait till Delta, just tell me it's coming. Tell me we need to go through all the suits first before giving a Respec. I'll flipping wait. But saying no because of sales for boosters is GREEDY and CCP that better not be the reason why I'm sitting here arguing for a respec. If it's not possible, TELL us. Enough of this hiding in the dark. If that's the case then why are there even forums? I miss the old GAM crew :( RESPEC PLEASE After Delta CEO of GODS AMONG MEN Clone Wars forever #Starwars: Battlefront
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.08.05 14:38:00 - [69] - Quote everyone mentioning "FOTM" and "EVE" is a scrub with zero credibility. you are wrong, you are a scrub and you need to grow up, deal with it. 1. eve SP is fully passive, you can play something else for one month, come back and get a new toy without annoying grind all day long. 2. if you are really desperate you can buy a new different character at the character bazar in eve 3. in dust skilling up into FOTM with good amounts of SP takes one or two weeks with average playing time, skilling up into a whole new playstyle takes months. everyone that wants that so called FOTM already has it or can get it really fast but correcting overhauls which affect your playstyle take ages and not only that but it also invalidates your past grind and achievements which you worked very hard for.
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 443	Posted - 2014.08.05 14:42:00 - [70] - Quote ESPECIALLY when players who do play are penalized for capping out? Like really? I can get 6000 war points in a match, but capped out I get 1000 SP. WTF?! I miss the old GAM crew :( RESPEC PLEASE After Delta CEO of GODS AMONG MEN Clone Wars forever #Starwars: Battlefront

Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 1533	Posted - 2014.08.05 15:19:00 - [71] - Quote As as has been mentioned its best to wait till more infomation about Delta is known. I will say this however. There have numerous times in Eve where a ships slot layout, PG, CPU and even role has been changed, tweaked and balanced. Eve players didn't get a respec and they pay a subscription. For me there are only two circumstances that respecs and partial respecs might be considered as possibly required. When an entire branch of the skill tree has had to be changed such as when the LLAV's had to be removed. Or when racial parity in a weapon or suit class is going to be achieved, for example if the other races sniper rifles should make an appearance. Respecs shouldn't be the default posistion to take when presented with balance changes because it makes the choices you made in the skilling of your Merc meaningless. If as a result of any upcoming changes I feel a respec is warranted, I'll of course support it but if I think it's going to lead to another FOTM situation that might lead to yet another scramble calls for respecs 6 months down the road, then I be more reluctant to do so. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University
FIRST TESTDUMMY Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 180	Posted - 2014.08.05 15:21:00 - [72] - Quote Due to not knowing what certain skills, modules, and equipment do and also how certain weapons perform, my skill points were thrown everywhere. Playing months without any direction and finally getting something that works for me only to have CCP change everything about it is downright idiotic. Vets have played through enough versions of the game to know what skills are a priority when building their characters. They've had their respecs. They've had time to accumulate skill points to where they can skill into anything without regret. What about those who came late and made a lot of useless skill investments? I'm sorry, but I don't have the 40+ mil SP to fall back on like so many do. No, I haven't played long enough to be the type of player who is specialized into three different roles. I don't even have what's necessary to be specialized into one role because of the way my SP is thinly spread out. When vets made mistakes, it was okay because they were on even grounds with each other. If I, along with a lot of late comers, make a mistake, the gap between high SP characters and low SP characters just widens more. While the Pros are fine tuning their proficiency and ammo skills, I'm set back a good amount because I put SP into myofibril stimulants.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2445	Posted - 2014.08.05 16:02:00 - [73] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: For me there are only two circumstances that respecs and partial respecs might be considered as possibly required. When an entire branch of the skill tree has had to be changed such as when the LLAV's had to be removed. Or when racial parity in a weapon or suit class is going to be achieved, for example if the other races sniper rifles should make an appearance. If as a result of any upcoming changes I feel a respec is warranted, I'll of course support it but if I think it's going to lead to another FOTM situation that might lead to yet another scramble calls for respecs 6 months down the road, then I be more reluctant to do so. Kevall, I'm glad to hear your opinions on this. Do you personally agree that Dust 514's NPE was able to educate a new player on the pros and cons of different modules, weapons, and dropsuits on launch? Were there militia weapon variants for players to try all modules, weapons, and dropsuits on launch? The answer to the second question is obviously "No". The first is more subjective, but I feel most players would say "No". How can you say Kevall Longstride wrote: because it makes the choices you made in the skilling of your Merc meaningless. when our choices didn't mean much to begin with? I have known several new players who made the mistake of skilling into things that made sense according to the starter fittings (e.g. shield skills because the Amarr MEDIC fit has two shield extenders for some stupid reason). Now they want to stick with the Amarr dropsuits, but they have invested a lot of their SP into shield skills. That's just one example, of course. And the FotM argument doesn't fly. FotM people are going to fit FotM regardless of if they get a respec or not. Those type of people often save 1mil+ SP before every update so they can ride the gravy train until the next update. Respecs are not going to change their behavior one way or another so they are irrelevant to this argument. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 1205	Posted - 2014.08.05 16:45:00 - [74] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: As as has been mentioned its best to wait till more infomation about Delta is known. I will say this however. There have numerous times in Eve where a ships slot layout, PG, CPU and even role has been changed, tweaked and balanced. Eve players didn't get a respec and they pay a subscription. We're playing Dust not EVE, we don't give a fck about EVE players paying to be screwed over and have their time wasted, oh wait their time isn't wasted because they don't even have to play the game to gain SP. They just pay to have their SP wasted from time to time but that's only a minor inconvenience because all they have to do is queue up some skills and then go play something else or watch some porno. Kevall Longstride wrote: Respecs shouldn't be the default posistion to take when presented with balance changes because it makes the choices you made in the skilling of your Merc meaningless. You know what makes the choices I made in the skilling of my Merc meaningless? CCP constantly changing what people chose to skill into, into something else. I skilled into the heavy shortly before the HMG was fixed in 1.6 and I specifically skilled into the Amarr sentinel for the slot layout which is now going to the Gallente sentinel. A choice I made almost a year ago is now meaningless; not because of a respec but because CCP is changing what I chose into something I did not choose and what more specifically chose against. Interestingly enough I was skilling into the heavy to use the FG because I could see that 1.7 was going to make all the SP in my maxed out SL meaningless and the FG was going to be the only good AV for a while. Don't tell us respecs makes our choices meaningless when CCP has already proven that they're meaningless to begin with time and time and time again Kevall Longstride wrote: If as a result of any upcoming changes I feel a respec is warranted, I'll of course support it but if I think it's going to lead to another FOTM situation that might lead to yet another scramble calls for respecs 6 months down the road, then I be more reluctant to do so. FOTM is going to happen whether there's a respec or not. There's a lot of people with enough SP that they're likely to be skilled into the next FOTM already, and then there's the people that save SP for the next FOTM, and then there's the people that grind for it in 2-4 weeks after it comes out. Kill Scotty
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 448	Posted - 2014.08.05 17:11:00 - [75] - Quote My point still stands. It's been over a year since the last legitimate respec( 1.8 DOES NOT count) for infantry. Many players have joined, and it is the fault of the game for not aiding us with our SP. You keep saying that a respec would negate the choices we mercs made, but you are refusing to give us a choice in how we spend our SP yet again. We didn't make an informed choice. I really don't care about EVE players. I mean, yes, I respect them and all but that is a totally different game and furthermore, EVE players are always gaining nice, consistent SP. With Dust, if you play too much, you are not rewarded for it because of the insane grind. And, bringing out this card again, The community would very much appreciate a Respec. If not the community, at least a customer who has stuck with this company past fan-fest, past the Forge Gun bug where it would ghost-shot, past the glitches of falling through the map, past the nanite-injector bug, past thick and thin. I ask for a Respec after Delta. Just like we were saying in 1.8, if you give us a Respec, we won't ask for a another. State that this is the last time you are giving one, and that you are not obligated to give another. If you are going to make us beta-testers for Legion, then can you at least keep us happy? Make your changes, but after Delta, if nothing is going to be tweaked bonus wise, Respec FULLY for infantry. I miss the old GAM crew :( RESPEC PLEASE After Delta CEO of GODS AMONG MEN Clone Wars forever #Starwars: Battlefront
BlazeXYZ xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 94	Posted - 2014.08.05 18:11:00 - [76] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: If as a result of any upcoming changes I feel a respec is warranted, I'll of course support it but if I think it's going to lead to another FOTM situation that might lead to yet another scramble calls for respecs 6 months down the road, then I be more reluctant to do so. So you're saying there will be still an FOTM after delta. I hope not. I wish after delta everything would be balanced and there wil be no such thing as an FOTM. It's CCP responsibility to remove FOTM and bring diversity into the battlefield. The Blazing Intellect Machine
Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 308	Posted - 2014.08.05 19:41:00 - [77] - Quote I am not a vet. I started playing March 1, 2014. And I play solo. I have never squaded up, and I am the CEO of a 1 man Corp. I have never been given advice on how to play or where to put my SP other than reading the stickies on this forum. My point? I am happy with my SP allocation. If I could do it over I would make the same exact choices without a single exception. I am sure there are other players out there who were smart, realized from looking at the skill tree how much of a grind it would be and how important each SP choice would be. So shouldn't I be rewarded for my wise decisions? Don't those wise decisions give me an advantage over those that didn't educate themselves first with the same resources that were available to me? Why should I lose that advantage? Everyone had access to the same resources I did and most had access to squad mates, their corp, a friend, etc. I had none of that help and yet I was able to allocate wisely. Part of being successful at DUST is being smart with your SP allocation. NO TO RESPECS. Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 85	Posted - 2014.08.05 20:38:00 - [78] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: As as has been mentioned its best to wait till more infomation about Delta is known. I will say this however. There have numerous times in Eve where a ships slot layout, PG, CPU and even role has been changed, tweaked and balanced. Eve players didn't get a respec and they pay a subscription. For me there are only two circumstances that respecs and partial respecs might be considered as possibly required. When an entire branch of the skill tree has had to be changed such as when the LLAV's had to be removed. Or when racial parity in a weapon or suit class is going to be achieved, for example if the other races sniper rifles should make an appearance. Respecs shouldn't be the default posistion to take when presented with balance changes because it makes the choices you made in the skilling of your Merc meaningless. If as a result of any upcoming changes I feel a respec is warranted, I'll of course support it but if I think it's going to lead to another FOTM situation that might lead to yet another scramble calls for respecs 6 months down the road, then I be more reluctant to do so. On that note I have to mention pistol parity. I invested well over 3 million SP in the Scrambler Pistol when it was the only pistol in early uprising. When do we get a sidearm tree repec?
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2457	Posted - 2014.08.06 12:49:00 - [79] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: On that note I have to mention pistol parity. I invested well over 3 million SP in the Scrambler Pistol when it was the only pistol in early uprising. When do we get a sidearm tree repec? Sidearms are currently up for review in Delta. Hopefully we will see militia versions of the newer sidearms in Delta too. Maybe after Delta we can expect some form of SP refund. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming 1245	Posted - 2014.08.06 13:01:00 - [80] - Quote I have mixed feelings. On the one hand I believe in skilling into the suit you enjoy rather than what is the best fit. I also remember vividly the shift in player balance after the last respec and the partials that pre-dated it. Suddenly going from heavy logi and assault numbers to a sway in heavy and light frames. Plus saying it adds diversity is obviously a lie as everyone gravitated to the Cal and Gal scout based on the numbers. That said I do want the numbers to return to a more pre 1.8 state.. "The air smells damp and oppressive, like a wet nun" "Why am I talking to a lightbulb? Illuminate me"

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2457	Posted - 2014.08.06 13:23:00 - [81] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Suddenly going from heavy logi and assault numbers to a sway in heavy and light frames. Plus saying it adds diversity is obviously a lie as everyone gravitated to the Cal and Gal scout based on the numbers. This is something we will have to address pre-respec: balance. If balancing has not been performed to every dropsuit then when a respec hits most players are going to gravitate towards whatever suits can boast the best stats. Charlie is balancing scouts and assaults. I believe I read that Delta is slated to balance logistics and sentinels. Armor and shield tanking modules have been balanced in Alpha and Bravo and I have confidence that CCP Rattati and Logibro would make further adjustments to them if they were over/under-performing. Light weapon balance is the best it has been... pretty much ever. Sidearms are being reviewed in Charlie. Perhaps after the balancing passes we will be ready for a respec. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2457	Posted - 2014.08.06 13:26:00 - [82] - Quote Double post, derp derp herpity derp. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
BlazeXYZ xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 94	Posted - 2014.08.06 13:39:00 - [83] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Suddenly going from heavy logi and assault numbers to a sway in heavy and light frames. Plus saying it adds diversity is obviously a lie as everyone gravitated to the Cal and Gal scout based on the numbers. This is something we will have to address pre-respec: balance. If balancing has not been performed to every dropsuit then when a respec hits most players are going to gravitate towards whatever suits can boast the best stats. Charlie is balancing scouts and assaults. I believe I read that Delta is slated to balance logistics and sentinels. Armor and shield tanking modules have been balanced in Alpha and Bravo and I have confidence that CCP Rattati and Logibro would make further adjustments to them if they were over/under-performing. Light weapon balance is the best it has been... pretty much ever. Sidearms are being reviewed in Charlie. Perhaps after the balancing passes we will be ready for a respec. +1 This is what I really want to happen and this makes sense. The Blazing Intellect Machine
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11514	Posted - 2014.08.06 13:50:00 - [84] - Quote About respecs Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Alena Ventrallis S0VER31GN 1531	Posted - 2014.08.06 15:14:00 - [85] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Thumb Green wrote: So not only do EVE players accept getting screwed over by CCP, they also pay CCP monthly to do it. Sounds to me that Dust players aren't the ones that need more backbone. The very nature of the SP system is designed around not having respecs. Which is why they're never offered in EVE, unless the skill in question is actually removed from the game. (Which happens extremely rarely.) Games have respecs because they have a cap on skill or talent points you can spend, so you occasionally need to redistribute them. But games with infinite SP like EVE and DUST it is intended for you to continue to play to unlock additional roles and abilities. This isn't World of Warcraft. I can't trade my Bachelor's Degree in Game and Simulation Programming for one in Computer Science just because I work in IT instead of game development. If I want a different degree, I have to go back to school. Similarly, your clone learns new things over time, it can't just change what it already learned into something else. Eve also has an all passive system, and far lower skill multipliers. For instance, electronics in dust is a 5x skill, and in eve its a 1x skill. Eve people don't complain because you can retrain far faster. Rattati has spoken. CalScout hitbox is fine. You're gun game is broken.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 248	Posted - 2014.08.06 15:21:00 - [86] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Dear CPM1, Hotfix Charlie is shaping up to make assaults not suck quite so badly, scouts are being tweaked, and word has it logi/sentinels are on the agenda for Delta. Dozens of minor and major changes are taking place all over Dust 514. ****, I mean, we are about to have nova knives capable of destroying HAV's for chrissakes. Don't you think it is about time we sent a message to CCP that we need a respec? You are our advocates. You have CCP's ear. I'm asking politely and I'm open to hear your arguments against it... though I have heard many MANY arguments against it and none of them have convinced me yet. Sincerely, Ripley P.S. Judge Rhadamanthus, please sign my titty. scouts.. no real change.. Caldari is still FOTM with gallente being up to par vs caldari now while amarr and more so minmatar are left to rot although a ccp did mention about looking at the ehp of min scouts only think that is happening to logi is Homogenization.. standard 1 light wep 1 nade slot 2 equip slots.. advanced 1 light 1 nade 3 equip slots.. proto 1 light 1 nade 4 equip slots... they are removing the side arm from amarr logi (slayer logi meta old FOTM) and changing slot layouts more.. so amarr/gal start at like 1/3 while cal/min at 3/1 and it expands from there. sentinel nerf is less cpu and pg(delta) and more heat on HMG(hmg is charlie iirc) Logibro in training. Weapon Damage Profiles Quick List
Chunky Munkey 5108	Posted - 2014.08.06 15:43:00 - [87] - Quote These changes don't warrant a respec. A dead game does. Destiny won't kill Dust. CCP already did that.
Taurion Bruni D3ATH CARD 253	Posted - 2014.08.06 15:50:00 - [88] - Quote Yankie Doodle wrote: "NO MORE RESPECS" EVA!!!!! They are NOT needed....... if u have 50,000,000+ sp. I have 4 proto suits. 5 proto guns. Maxed core skills. All set for any nerf/buff. Agreed I dont want the FOTM followers to swap into the next op build. then we will have 90% of the community running the same fit again.. Python Pilot // Minmatar Assault
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2487	Posted - 2014.08.06 15:55:00 - [89] - Quote Taurion Bruni wrote: I don't want the FOTM followers to swap into the next op build. then we will have 90% of the community running the same fit again.. Do you really believe that respecs cause FotM behavior? No, imbalance causes that. CCP Rattati and Logibro are doing a pretty thorough job of balancing things right now. Once near balance is achieved the FotM behavior will be less and less noticeable. Also, FotM seekers bank millions of SP pre-update to dump on what they perceive to be the next best fitting. That will happen if repecs happen or not. TL;DR - FotM is irrelevant to the respec argument. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3008	Posted - 2014.08.06 16:00:00 - [90] - Quote Why can't you save up some SP for your new spec as well then? CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2488	Posted - 2014.08.06 16:13:00 - [91] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Why can't you save up some SP for your new spec as well then? I do save up SP pre-patch. I have about half a million saved for Charlie actually. Story time... The first few weeks I played Dust 514 I ran starter fits, as new players should. What weapon was fitted to EVERY frontline starter fit until here recently? The assault rifle. What did I spend my SP on, not even aware that CCP would be releasing a Caldari racial rifle? The assault rifle. The Amarr scrambler rifle seemed interesting, but there was no militia version for me to experiment with. Soraya Xel wrote: But Ripley! That SP will always be there in case you ever want to use the assault rifle again! I won't. Seriously. I will not ever use the assault rifle again for the rest of my characters life. I find it bland and it does not appeal to me after using the rail rifle and laser rifle. CCP could delete the SP out of the assault rifle; it would not even register as a loss to me. Do we understand each other? I. will. never. use. an. assault. rifle. again. ever. The question you should be asking me is, "What would you do with all of that SP you spent into assault rifles?" He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 86	Posted - 2014.08.06 16:22:00 - [92] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Topher Mellen wrote: On that note I have to mention pistol parity. I invested well over 3 million SP in the Scrambler Pistol when it was the only pistol in early uprising. When do we get a sidearm tree repec? Sidearms are currently up for review in Delta. Hopefully we will see militia versions of the newer sidearms in Delta too. Maybe after Delta we can expect some form of SP refund. Thanks for the info m8, I had no idea. Cheers, Topher
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3008	Posted - 2014.08.06 16:54:00 - [93] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: But Ripley! That SP will always be there in case you ever want to use the assault rifle again! I won't. Seriously. I will not ever use the assault rifle again for the rest of my characters life. I find it bland and it does not appeal to me after using the rail rifle and laser rifle. CCP could delete the SP out of the assault rifle; it would not even register as a loss to me. Do we understand each other? I. will. never. use. an. assault. rifle. again. ever. The question you should be asking me is, "What would you do with all of that SP you spent into assault rifles?" Please don't put words in my mouth. My answer would be: You used that SP. It has been used. SP is a one-time use currency. Want more? Go earn more. Not complain about how you spent what you had before. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 87	Posted - 2014.08.06 17:00:00 - [94] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Please don't put words in my mouth. My answer would be: You used that SP. It has been used. SP is a one-time use currency. Want more? Go earn more. Not complain about how you spent what you had before. My question would be, how do you, *personally, feel about Kevall Longstride's comments on this thread yesterday? Kevall Longstride wrote:* For me there are only two circumstances that respecs and partial respecs might be considered as possibly required. When an entire branch of the skill tree has had to be changed such as when the LLAV's had to be removed. Or when racial parity in a weapon or suit class is going to be achieved, for example if the other races sniper rifles should make an appearance. ... If as a result of any upcoming changes I feel a respec is warranted, I'll of course support it but if I think it's going to lead to another FOTM situation that might lead to yet another scramble calls for respecs 6 months down the road, then I be more reluctant to do so. I don't like respecs either, but the dropsuit respec with 1.8 was entirely necessary. Thank you in advance for your response. Cheers, Topher
Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 1213	Posted - 2014.08.06 17:03:00 - [95] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: But Ripley! That SP will always be there in case you ever want to use the assault rifle again! I won't. Seriously. I will not ever use the assault rifle again for the rest of my characters life. I find it bland and it does not appeal to me after using the rail rifle and laser rifle. CCP could delete the SP out of the assault rifle; it would not even register as a loss to me. Do we understand each other? I. will. never. use. an. assault. rifle. again. ever. The question you should be asking me is, "What would you do with all of that SP you spent into assault rifles?" Please don't put words in my mouth. My answer would be: You used that SP. It has been used. SP is a one-time use currency. Want more? Go earn more. Not complain about how you spent what you had before. You know as CPM your job is to relay our opinions to CCP not to tell us what to do and what to complain about. Kill Scotty
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 87	Posted - 2014.08.06 17:07:00 - [96] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: [quote=Soraya Xel]You know as CPM your job is to relay our opinions to CCP not to tell us what to do and what to complain about. I admit, Xel's comments did sound arrogant, condescending, and a little 'did-not-read-thread', but let Xel formally respond to what I asked before you pull out your flamethrower.
danie braz Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 58	Posted - 2014.08.06 17:19:00 - [97] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Dear CPM1, Hotfix Charlie is shaping up to make assaults not suck quite so badly, scouts are being tweaked, and word has it logi/sentinels are on the agenda for Delta. Dozens of minor and major changes are taking place all over Dust 514. ****, I mean, we are about to have nova knives capable of destroying HAV's for chrissakes. Don't you think it is about time we sent a message to CCP that we need a respec? You are our advocates. You have CCP's ear. I'm asking politely and I'm open to hear your arguments against it... though I have heard many MANY arguments against it and none of them have convinced me yet. Sincerely, Ripley P.S. Judge Rhadamanthus, please sign my titty. Because they do respecs one player at a time and even if had the full team it would take far too many man hours. If they do it now the sidearm and vehicle ppl will ask for respecs when those are revised. If anything I would propose paid respecs. Much rather do that than buy those boosters. Even thought now i have 80k aur I need to burn. Fluoride uranium carbon potassium bismuth technetium helium sulfur germanium thulium Molybdenum neon yttrium
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 87	Posted - 2014.08.06 17:32:00 - [98] - Quote danie braz wrote: If anything I would propose paid respecs. Much rather do that than buy those boosters. Even thought now i have 80k aur I need to burn. Congratulations on being rich. Too bad I don't care at all. Paid respecs are simply a way to squeeze money out of a free game. There shouldn't be any respecs what-so-ever save for when major changes to the game happen. (Despite what the new monetization director says)
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2488	Posted - 2014.08.06 17:34:00 - [99] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Please don't put words in my mouth. My answer would be: You used that SP. It has been used. SP is a one-time use currency. Want more? Go earn more. Not complain about how you spent what you had before. I used it without CCP providing me an adequate NPE. I used it based on CCP's poor decision to fit assault rifles to every frontline starter fit. I used it without knowing the remaining racial weapons were being released in the next few months. Would you have preferred that I only spend SP on Dropsuit Upgrades until I was certain CCP added every weapon and a militia version? We are getting off topic here... CCP's inability to educate new players is worthy of its own thread. In Charlie and Delta we are going to see most every dropsuit have it's PG/CPU tweaked in some way. Many are having slot layouts changed. Some will be losing equipment slots, some will be gaining. Some dropsuit skill bonuses are being balanced. The sidearm balancing is also slated for Delta. I'm saying all this to point out that the way players will be using dropsuits is going to be changing. Couple that, with the changes we have seen in Alpha and Bravo and most players are requesting a respec. danie braz wrote: Because they do respecs one player at a time and even if had the full team it would take far too many man hours. Actually, it is done with a script. I know some players are not interested in having their SP unallocated so for them I propose a voluntary respec option. If you want a respec then open a ticket with a specific subject line. danie braz wrote: If anything I would propose paid respecs. Much rather do that than buy those boosters. Even thought now i have 80k aur I need to burn. Paid respecs would be fine so long as we create a cooldown between respecs. Someone should not be allowed to respec every 60 - 90 days, but 180+ sounds more fair. Hell, even inact an "SP tax": you pay for a respec but suffer a 10% total SP loss. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2972	Posted - 2014.08.06 17:45:00 - [100] - Quote Now that I just got my 4th assault proto you nerds think you should get a respec to change my assaults into fotm? Oh hail nah. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro

Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 90	Posted - 2014.08.06 17:46:00 - [101] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: danie braz wrote: Because they do respecs one player at a time and even if had the full team it would take far too many man hours. Actually, it is done with a script. I know some players are not interested in having their SP unallocated so for them I propose a voluntary respec option. If you want a respec then open a ticket with a specific subject line. danie braz wrote: If anything I would propose paid respecs. Much rather do that than buy those boosters. Even thought now i have 80k aur I need to burn. Paid respecs would be fine so long as we create a cooldown between respecs. Someone should not be allowed to respec every 60 - 90 days, but 180+ sounds more fair. Hell, even inact an "SP tax": you pay for a respec but suffer a 10% total SP loss. Good ideas m8. I would actually be alright with respecs implemented in this way. What I am afraid of with monetized respecs is that a few people (see isk farming/EVE timecodes/WoW gold farming) will respec every other day, while the rest of us are playing a game with consequences.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2972	Posted - 2014.08.06 17:48:00 - [102] - Quote Vapor Forseti wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: Seriously ? Y'all want respecs after every Hotfix. It's been over a year since we got a full respec. There should be an annual respec for those who want one IMO. How dare you I don't want my assaults to be fotm Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 90	Posted - 2014.08.06 17:48:00 - [103] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Now that I just got my 4th assault proto you nerds think you should get a respec to change my assaults into fotm? Oh hail nah. You're free to spec into fit of the month. You have my blessing. Just remember respecs don't come every month.
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 90	Posted - 2014.08.06 17:49:00 - [104] - Quote Vapor Forseti wrote: It's been over a year since we got a full respec. There should be an annual respec for those who want one IMO. That is a seriously terrible idea dude. edit: bad markup
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2972	Posted - 2014.08.06 17:50:00 - [105] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Now that I just got my 4th assault proto you nerds think you should get a respec to change my assaults into fotm? Oh hail nah. You're free to spec into fit of the month. You have my blessing. Just remember respecs don't come every month. Nah I've been assault all this time even when it sucked.. What I'm saying is you guys will turn it into fotm just cuz it's getting a needed buff and their fotm is being nerfed.. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2972	Posted - 2014.08.06 17:52:00 - [106] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: [quote=Vapor Forseti]It's been over a year since we got a full respec. There should be an annual respec for those who want one IMO. That is a seriously terrible idea dude. Actually Vapor is a girl but I'll take credit for her idea Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2489	Posted - 2014.08.06 17:55:00 - [107] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: I just got my 4th assault proto. Gotdayum ... congrats He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 90	Posted - 2014.08.06 17:56:00 - [108] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Topher Mellen wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Now that I just got my 4th assault proto you nerds think you should get a respec to change my assaults into fotm? Oh hail nah. You're free to spec into fit of the month. You have my blessing. Just remember respecs don't come every month. Nah I've been assault all this time even when it sucked.. What I'm saying is you guys will turn it into fotm just cuz it's getting a needed buff and their fotm is being nerfed.. Woah, woah, woah dude. I've only ever played the Gallente Assault. I literally have no other skill points in any other dropsuit. I'm right there with you with the underpowered/anti-fotm business. I completely disagree with the idea of giving a respec to the dropsuit command tree. The dropsuits are finished. Pick which one you like. What I am arguing here is simply for a respec for the sidearm tree. Literally nothing else.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2972	Posted - 2014.08.06 17:58:00 - [109] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: I just got my 4th assault proto. Gotdayum ... congrats I know.. They all suck, but amarr is fun to dink around with.. Stay away from minmatar it's terrible. I don't mean lore wise I mean the fitting is yeah it's something.. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 312	Posted - 2014.08.06 18:00:00 - [110] - Quote I don't think respecs are going to be likely for the same reason protostomping will not stop. Beta players are assholes. Not all, but most seem to be. They do not care that, of those that didn't flat out quit, many of the newer players without stupid amounts of SP get wrecked through months of investments by these sudden changes per patch that completely change your choices. It's never been about living with choices or FOTM, that's just the excuse. It's always been about feeling good by seniority, because since you have been around longer you should be able to punish new players with your handicap. Or at least, that's the logic. It's like that one kid who would gloat every time he won in a video game, card game, board game that he knew more about and whine like a little *** when the playing field became more level. That is the major appeal of this game and is also the reason its had a ** poor player retention past beta. Most the new guys that say, "Well I did okay," dodged the nerfhammers by pure chance. You don't hear a lot from the new guys that got slapped with the nerfhammers because they quit playing along with the other couple hundred thousand to a million that picked this game up, found out what it was about, and dropped it.

Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2973	Posted - 2014.08.06 18:01:00 - [111] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Topher Mellen wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Now that I just got my 4th assault proto you nerds think you should get a respec to change my assaults into fotm? Oh hail nah. You're free to spec into fit of the month. You have my blessing. Just remember respecs don't come every month. Nah I've been assault all this time even when it sucked.. What I'm saying is you guys will turn it into fotm just cuz it's getting a needed buff and their fotm is being nerfed.. Woah, woah, woah dude. I've only ever played the Gallente Assault. I literally have no other skill points in any other dropsuit. I'm right there with you with the underpowered/anti-fotm business. I completely disagree with the idea of giving a respec to the dropsuit command tree. The dropsuits are finished. Pick which one you like. What I am arguing here is simply for a respec for the sidearm tree. Literally nothing else. What about primary too? I have all rifles pro 5 and it's safe to say I have some I don't use haha.. But yeah I'm fine with just secondary or all weapons is fine but dropsuits is where I draw the line. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2490	Posted - 2014.08.06 18:02:00 - [112] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: I know.. They all suck, but amarr is fun to dink around with.. Stay away from minmatar it's terrible. I don't mean lore wise I mean the fitting is yeah it's something.. Noted. What's terrible about it exactly? The assault bonus for them looks appropriate for their weapon list. I've been rolling Caldari assault since launch day and I have enjoyed it a lot. I think our reload speed bonus is subpar, but it's a shitton better than Gallente assault (which I hear is bugged and/or next to useless with their weapon list). He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 90	Posted - 2014.08.06 18:03:00 - [113] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: I don't think respecs are going to be likely for the same reason protostomping will not happen. Beta players are assholes. Not all, but most seem to be. They do not care that, of those that didn't flat out quit, many of the newer players without stupid amounts of SP get wrecked through months of investments by these sudden changes per patch that completely change your choices. It's never been about living with choices or FOTM, that's just the excuse. It's always been about feeling like since you have been around longer you should be able to punish new players with your handicap. That is the major appeal of this game and is also the reason its had a **** poor player retention past beta. Most the new guys that say, "Well I did okay," dodged the nerfhammers by pure chance. You don't hear a lot from the new guys that got slapped with the nerfhammers because they quit playing along with the other couple hundred thousand to a million that picked this game up found out what it was about and dropped it. I have all of my points for my light weapon invested in the Assault Rifle, Plasma Cannon, and the Shotgun. I don't complain one bit.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2490	Posted - 2014.08.06 18:03:00 - [114] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Beta players are assholes. Not all, but most seem to be. They do not care that, of those that didn't flat out quit, many of the newer players without stupid amounts of SP get wrecked through months of investments by these sudden changes per patch that completely change your choices. It's never been about living with choices or FOTM, that's just the excuse. It's always been about feeling like since you have been around longer you should be able to punish new players with your handicap. I wish I had the characters to make this my sig... truer words have never been on this forum than the above. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 312	Posted - 2014.08.06 18:07:00 - [115] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: I don't think respecs are going to be likely for the same reason protostomping will not happen. Beta players are assholes. Not all, but most seem to be. They do not care that, of those that didn't flat out quit, many of the newer players without stupid amounts of SP get wrecked through months of investments by these sudden changes per patch that completely change your choices. It's never been about living with choices or FOTM, that's just the excuse. It's always been about feeling like since you have been around longer you should be able to punish new players with your handicap. That is the major appeal of this game and is also the reason its had a ** poor player retention past beta. Most the new guys that say, "Well I did okay," dodged the nerfhammers by pure chance.** You don't hear a lot from the new guys that got slapped with the nerfhammers because they quit playing along with the other couple hundred thousand to a million that picked this game up found out what it was about and dropped it. I have all of my points for my light weapon invested in the Assault Rifle, Plasma Cannon, and the Shotgun. I don't complain one bit. Highlighted the response from your type that I already knew was coming, lol.
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 90	Posted - 2014.08.06 18:08:00 - [116] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Topher Mellen wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: I don't think respecs are going to be likely for the same reason protostomping will not happen. Beta players are assholes. Not all, but most seem to be. They do not care that, of those that didn't flat out quit, many of the newer players without stupid amounts of SP get wrecked through months of investments by these sudden changes per patch that completely change your choices. It's never been about living with choices or FOTM, that's just the excuse. It's always been about feeling like since you have been around longer you should be able to punish new players with your handicap. That is the major appeal of this game and is also the reason its had a ** poor player retention past beta. Most the new guys that say, "Well I did okay," dodged the nerfhammers by pure chance.** You don't hear a lot from the new guys that got slapped with the nerfhammers because they quit playing along with the other couple hundred thousand to a million that picked this game up found out what it was about and dropped it. I have all of my points for my light weapon invested in the Assault Rifle, Plasma Cannon, and the Shotgun. I don't complain one bit. Highlighted the response from your type that I already knew was coming, lol. You call my primary weapon being the Assault Rifle dodging the nerf hammer? When did you start playing exactly?
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3008	Posted - 2014.08.06 18:15:00 - [117] - Quote Ripley, regarding Kevall's comments, I don't believe racial parity has any bearing on need for respecs. Racial gear differences rarely matter much more than lore. And new stuff is added to online games all the time. Thumb Green wrote: You know as CPM your job is to relay our opinions to CCP not to tell us what to do and what to complain about. Indeed. Doesn't mean I'm not allowed to have and express opinions of my own. By participating in this thread, personally, I'm both fostering a continued discussion and monitoring opinion and feedback. If I didn't care about people's opinions, I'd have ignored the thread and let it die like thousands of other respec threads before it. Topher Mellen wrote: Congratulations on being rich. Too bad I don't care at all. Paid respecs are simply a way to squeeze money out of a free game. There shouldn't be any respecs what-so-ever save for when major changes to the game happen. (Despite what the new monetization director says) Free games need to get paid for. Generally by selling stuff completely unnecessary. Like respecs. It's not a bad idea. Ripley Riley wrote: Actually, it is done with a script. I know some players are not interested in having their SP unallocated so for them I propose a voluntary respec option. If you want a respec then open a ticket with a specific subject line. You vastly overestimate the ease of this process. Also, note the various screwups of such scripts in the past, especially revolving around SP events. It's quite the hassle, and prone to errors. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 312	Posted - 2014.08.06 18:18:00 - [118] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Topher Mellen wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: I don't think respecs are going to be likely for the same reason protostomping will not happen. Beta players are assholes. Not all, but most seem to be. They do not care that, of those that didn't flat out quit, many of the newer players without stupid amounts of SP get wrecked through months of investments by these sudden changes per patch that completely change your choices. It's never been about living with choices or FOTM, that's just the excuse. It's always been about feeling like since you have been around longer you should be able to punish new players with your handicap. That is the major appeal of this game and is also the reason its had a ** poor player retention past beta. Most the new guys that say, "Well I did okay," dodged the nerfhammers by pure chance.** You don't hear a lot from the new guys that got slapped with the nerfhammers because they quit playing along with the other couple hundred thousand to a million that picked this game up found out what it was about and dropped it. I have all of my points for my light weapon invested in the Assault Rifle, Plasma Cannon, and the Shotgun. I don't complain one bit. Highlighted the response from your type that I already knew was coming, lol. You call my primary weapon being the Assault Rifle dodging the nerf hammer? When did you start playing exactly? Uprising to 1.6- AR was good Uprising 1.7- 0sp investment Tanks were king Uprising 1.8- Shotgun is good I define dodging the nerfhammer as always being viable. We aren't even going to address the fact that I'm guessing you are Gallente and haven't undergone the dropsuit rollercoaster that shield based minmitar and Caldari have gone through since uprising. AR and Scramblers had shield affinity. Armor got buffed and shields got nerfed. Gallente is still good even now and hotfix charlie will improve them while Caldari is getting nerfed again in the heavy class, because Caldari heavies were so OP...... Like I said read what I highlighted.
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 90	Posted - 2014.08.06 18:23:00 - [119] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Uprising to 1.6- AR was good Uprising 1.7- 0sp investment Tanks were king. Anything else about 1.7 was completely overshadowed by the fact that all you needed was Tank control to win. Uprising 1.8- Shotgun is good I define dodging the nerfhammer as always being viable. We haven't even addressed the fact that I'm guessing you are Gallente and haven't undergone the dropsuit rollercoaster that shield based minmitar and Caldari have gone through since uprising. AR and Scramblers had shield affinity. Armor got buffed and shields got nerfed. Gallente is still good even now and hotfix charlie will improve them while Caldari is getting nerfed again in the heavy class, because Caldari heavies were so OP...... Like I said read what I highlighted. A shotgun on a Gallente Assault is not dodging the nerf hammer... I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I'll tell you one thing though. Just by looking at my kdr I can tell you that even though I've been playing since early Uprising, I'm not making any victims of the newer players.
Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 1213	Posted - 2014.08.06 18:30:00 - [120] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Thumb Green wrote: You know as CPM your job is to relay our opinions to CCP not to tell us what to do and what to complain about. Indeed. Doesn't mean I'm not allowed to have and express opinions of my own. You are correct it doesn't; what it does mean is you do it without the CPM tag. Because what you say with the CPM tag is supposed to reflect what we say, not what your opinion is. So use an alt if you want to express your opinion. Kill Scotty

TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 314	Posted - 2014.08.06 18:31:00 - [121] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Uprising to 1.6- AR was good Uprising 1.7- 0sp investment Tanks were king. Anything else about 1.7 was completely overshadowed by the fact that all you needed was Tank control to win. Uprising 1.8- Shotgun is good I define dodging the nerfhammer as always being viable. We haven't even addressed the fact that I'm guessing you are Gallente and haven't undergone the dropsuit rollercoaster that shield based minmitar and Caldari have gone through since uprising. AR and Scramblers had shield affinity. Armor got buffed and shields got nerfed. Gallente is still good even now and hotfix charlie will improve them while Caldari is getting nerfed again in the heavy class, because Caldari heavies were so OP...... Like I said read what I highlighted. A shotgun on a Gallente Assault is not dodging the nerf hammer... I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I'll tell you one thing though. Just by looking at my kdr I can tell you that even though I've been playing since early Uprising, I'm not making any victims of the newer players. Equip shotgun to a militia gallente or any other racial light frame... profit... You thinking you were nerfed and you being actually nerfed aren't the same. You having a bad kd/r also doesn't mean you were nerfed. That can also mean that you are bad. If you are new to this game and you try to climb one suit to proto ASAP you got bad advice. The guys doshing out that advice were not fighting players with 50mil sp when they were starting. You won't be able to fund it and You are too new and too late to spec specifically into one type of suit anyways. You are just going to get railroaded every match by the proto stompers who are specced in everything and can simply counter you. You will probably get railroaded anyways but that's what this game is about now. You are better off getting basic gear to be flexible at this point and learning to hard counter and outsmart them. Brick tanks giving you problems, even a MLT forge will sort that out, they can't move out of the way. Speed tanks giving you guff, invest a small amount of SP into heavy machine guns and spam a minmitar militia heavy with a machine gun.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3008	Posted - 2014.08.06 18:34:00 - [122] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: You are correct it doesn't; what it does mean is you do it without the CPM tag. Because what you say with the CPM tag is supposed to reflect what we say, not what your opinion is. So use an alt if you want to express your opinion. My alts also get a CPM tag. So I'm told. In this thread, I'm not speaking as a CPM, I'm speaking as a player. (Something I am likely to do a lot, since, you know, I play the game too.) I am also reading, and keeping some concept of the pulse of public opinion on the matter, which is the part that's useful for CPM stuff. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 91	Posted - 2014.08.06 18:40:00 - [123] - Quote Thank you for the fast response Soraya Xel. You absolutely do have your own opinion and you do have every right to express it. You're a player not just a council member. I would also like to apologize for Ripley in that he used the quote mark up inappropriately, leading to possible confusion by later readers. Now onto my concerns. You wrote a response to this: Topher Mellen wrote: Congratulations on being rich. Too bad I don't care at all. Paid respecs are simply a way to squeeze money out of a free game. There shouldn't be any respecs what-so-ever save for when major changes to the game happen. (Despite what the new monetization director says) After this conversation had occurred: Ripley Riley wrote: Paid respecs would be fine so long as we create a cooldown between respecs. Someone should not be allowed to respec every 60 - 90 days, but 180+ sounds more fair. Hell, even inact an "SP tax": you pay for a respec but suffer a 10% total SP loss. Topher Mellen wrote: Good ideas m8. I would actually be alright with respecs implemented in this way. What I am afraid of with monetized respecs is that a few people (see isk farming/EVE timecodes/WoW gold farming) will respec every other day, while the rest of us are playing a game with consequences. How do you feel about a time-limited respec option? Finally there's this: Soraya Xel wrote: Ripley, regarding Kevall's comments, I don't believe racial parity has any bearing on need for respecs. Racial gear differences rarely matter much more than lore. And new stuff is added to online games all the time. This is where I disagree. Why should I be stuck with a Gallente Assault Rifle if I'm a Caldari Assault that started in Uprising 1.0? You only need to look at the game design differences to understand why a player should receive the gun they would have speced into anyway. Why should I be stuck with a Caldari sniper rifle on my Minmatar Commando should the Minmatar sniper rifle be released? I suppose I fundamentally disagree with you on this point.
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 91	Posted - 2014.08.06 18:52:00 - [124] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Topher Mellen wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Uprising to 1.6- AR was good Uprising 1.7- 0sp investment Tanks were king. Anything else about 1.7 was completely overshadowed by the fact that all you needed was Tank control to win. Uprising 1.8- Shotgun is good I define dodging the nerfhammer as always being viable. We haven't even addressed the fact that I'm guessing you are Gallente and haven't undergone the dropsuit rollercoaster that shield based minmitar and Caldari have gone through since uprising. AR and Scramblers had shield affinity. Armor got buffed and shields got nerfed. Gallente is still good even now and hotfix charlie will improve them while Caldari is getting nerfed again in the heavy class, because Caldari heavies were so OP...... Like I said read what I highlighted. A shotgun on a Gallente Assault is not dodging the nerf hammer... I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I'll tell you one thing though. Just by looking at my kdr I can tell you that even though I've been playing since early Uprising, I'm not making any victims of the newer players. Equip shotgun to a militia gallente or any other racial light frame... profit... You thinking you were nerfed and you being actually nerfed aren't the same. You having a bad kd/r also doesn't mean you were nerfed. That can also mean that you are bad. If you are new to this game and you try to climb one suit to proto ASAP you got bad advice. The guys doshing out that advice were not fighting players with 50mil sp when they were starting. You won't be able to fund it and You are too new and too late to spec specifically into one type of suit anyways. You are just going to get railroaded every match by the proto stompers who are specced in everything and can simply counter you. You will probably get railroaded anyways but that's what this game is about now. You are better off getting basic gear to be flexible at this point and learning to hard counter and outsmart them. Brick tanks giving you problems, even a MLT forge will sort that out, they can't move out of the way. Speed tanks giving you guff, invest a small amount of SP into heavy machine guns and spam a minmitar militia heavy with a machine gun. P.S. I use all rifles and AR has its place, which is close up. The LR and RR aren't going to do **** if you are any good at aiming in CQC. The CR will win against your armor focused suit for sure but that's the draw back. I don't whine that I can't beat ScRs when they pretty much insta gib my shields. AR is still amazing at mowing down Caldari and Minmitar it's just more popular to armor tank since it's easier and therefor makes the AR seem inferior. Then how about you equip a militia combat rifle to any militia medium frame? Seriously, dude, just decide to say I'm bad at the game because "you can tell". I like my role, too bad it doesn't play like it should, and guess what. I didn't bring that up on these forums until you assumed I was a Combat Rifle Caldari Scout. Go find a cause rebel.
Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 1213	Posted - 2014.08.06 18:56:00 - [125] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Thumb Green wrote: You are correct it doesn't; what it does mean is you do it without the CPM tag. Because what you say with the CPM tag is supposed to reflect what we say, not what your opinion is. So use an alt if you want to express your opinion. My alts also get a CPM tag. So I'm told. In this thread, I'm not speaking as a CPM, I'm speaking as a player. (Something I am likely to do a lot, since, you know, I play the game too.) I am also reading, and keeping some concept of the pulse of public opinion on the matter, which is the part that's useful for CPM stuff. Well then tell CCP to remove the CPM tag from your alt if that's the case. Because when you speak on the forums with the CPM tag you are first and foremost a council member. Kill Scotty
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 315	Posted - 2014.08.06 19:05:00 - [126] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Topher Mellen wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Uprising to 1.6- AR was good Uprising 1.7- 0sp investment Tanks were king. Anything else about 1.7 was completely overshadowed by the fact that all you needed was Tank control to win. Uprising 1.8- Shotgun is good I define dodging the nerfhammer as always being viable. We haven't even addressed the fact that I'm guessing you are Gallente and haven't undergone the dropsuit rollercoaster that shield based minmitar and Caldari have gone through since uprising. AR and Scramblers had shield affinity. Armor got buffed and shields got nerfed. Gallente is still good even now and hotfix charlie will improve them while Caldari is getting nerfed again in the heavy class, because Caldari heavies were so OP...... Like I said read what I highlighted. A shotgun on a Gallente Assault is not dodging the nerf hammer... I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I'll tell you one thing though. Just by looking at my kdr I can tell you that even though I've been playing since early Uprising, I'm not making any victims of the newer players. Equip shotgun to a militia gallente or any other racial light frame... profit... You thinking you were nerfed and you being actually nerfed aren't the same. You having a bad kd/r also doesn't mean you were nerfed. That can also mean that you are bad. If you are new to this game and you try to climb one suit to proto ASAP you got bad advice. The guys doshing out that advice were not fighting players with 50mil sp when they were starting. You won't be able to fund it and You are too new and too late to spec specifically into one type of suit anyways. You are just going to get railroaded every match by the proto stompers who are specced in everything and can simply counter you. You will probably get railroaded anyways but that's what this game is about now. You are better off getting basic gear to be flexible at this point and learning to hard counter and outsmart them. Brick tanks giving you problems, even a MLT forge will sort that out, they can't move out of the way. Speed tanks giving you guff, invest a small amount of SP into heavy machine guns and spam a minmitar militia heavy with a machine gun. P.S. I use all rifles and AR has its place, which is close up. The LR and RR aren't going to do ** if you are any good at aiming in CQC. The CR will win against your armor focused suit for sure but that's the draw back. I don't whine that I can't beat ScRs when they pretty much insta gib my shields. AR is still amazing at mowing down Caldari and Minmitar it's just more popular to armor tank since it's easier and therefor makes the AR seem inferior. Then how about you equip a militia combat rifle to any militia medium frame? Seriously, dude, just decide to say I'm bad at the game because "you can tell". I like my role, too bad it doesn't play like it should, and guess what. I didn't bring that up on these forums until you assumed I was a Combat Rifle Caldari Scout. Go find a cause rebel. I said you could be bad because you implied you had a low kd/r. Gallente has never been a bad choice since uprising, that was my point. I never liked Gallente because I prefer shield tanking. That said armor tanking hasn't gone through the same **, and again the reason you and other Gallente rpers think the AR is so bad is because armor tanking is more popular which AR is less efficient against. Assault scramblers aren't popular either for the same reason but you don't hear people screaming its UP. I said you dodged the nerfhammer because you have dodged the nerfhammer, you just think you are worse off as you haven't explored other builds. You have no idea what you are talking about. For instance, how good do you think a 600 shield and 450 armor fatty is going to be with no passive rep? Well that's coming down the pipe for Caldari. You whined that a shotgun was bad on a gallente assault. You shouldn't be putting shotguns on any suit but a light frame. Don't complain about me questioning if you're a scrub if you talk about doing scrub things as being imbalanced.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2492	Posted - 2014.08.06 19:07:00 - [127] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Well then tell CCP to remove the CPM tag from your alt if that's the case. Because when you speak on the forums with the CPM tag you are first and foremost a council member. I think you are being a bit overzealous. Soraya can post his/her opinions with a CPM tag, so long he/she is still being a player advocate when addressing CCP. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 289	Posted - 2014.08.06 19:08:00 - [128] - Quote Oh sure, make it even quicker for Gen Tso's, NF, and all those bastards to switch directly over to Amarr Scout with max scan precision and range. Plus any other jackass who wants to be FOTM. No. Dust servers will be a ghost town on 09/09/14 Destiny kicks ass... Like Halo knocked up Mass Effect and gave birth
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2492	Posted - 2014.08.06 19:12:00 - [129] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: Oh sure, make it even quicker for Gen Tso's, NF, and all those bastards to switch directly over to Amarr Scout with max scan precision and range. Plus any other jackass who wants to be FOTM. The people who are interested in FotM fittings have already banked SP prior to the update, I can almost guarantee it. That will happen if we are given a respec or not. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 91	Posted - 2014.08.06 19:17:00 - [130] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: OP FOTM wrote: Oh sure, make it even quicker for Gen Tso's, NF, and all those bastards to switch directly over to Amarr Scout with max scan precision and range. Plus any other jackass who wants to be FOTM. The people who are interested in FotM fittings have already banked SP prior to the update, I can almost guarantee it. That will happen if we are given a respec or not. ^ This

Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 1213	Posted - 2014.08.06 19:25:00 - [131] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Well then tell CCP to remove the CPM tag from your alt if that's the case. Because when you speak on the forums with the CPM tag you are first and foremost a council member. I think you are being a bit overzealous. Soraya can post his/her opinions with a CPM tag, so long he/she is still being a player advocate when addressing CCP. Excuse me for trying to take the CPM role seriously (foolish me, I know). We can't judge them based on when they are addressing CCP because most of that is shrouded in a NDA so we rarely get to witness what they actually advocate to CCP. So it's best that whenever they speak with the CPM tag that what they say reflects what that tag represents. Just as it would in the real world. Kill Scotty
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2493	Posted - 2014.08.06 19:34:00 - [132] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Excuse me for trying to take the CPM role seriously (foolish me, I know). We can't judge them based on when they are addressing CCP because most of that is shrouded in a NDA so we rarely get to witness what they actually advocate to CCP. So it's best that whenever they speak with the CPM tag that what they say reflects what that tag represents. Just as it would in the real world. Last post I am going to make on this subject, as we are getting WAY off topic, but CPM is allowed to have opinions on things. They must still represent us; if you notice they are not putting forward ideas and opinions that align with yours then don't vote for them next time. Also, this is an internet clone murder simulator council of psychopaths, not the Senate. Relax son, gotdayum. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 91	Posted - 2014.08.06 19:34:00 - [133] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: the reason you and other Gallente rpers think the AR is so bad is because armor tanking is more popular which AR is less efficient against. I don't role play at all, and the assault rifle is bad because of its kick, range, and damage. Also known as, every stat that a gun has. TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: You have no idea what you are talking about. What the hell is your problem? For real. TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Gallente has never been a bad choice since uprising, that was my point. Tell me the exact build you started playing this game. TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Don't complain about me questioning if you're a scrub if you talk about doing scrub things as being imbalanced. Seriously how far can that stick go up your bungholio? TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: You whined that a shotgun was bad on a gallente assault. You shouldn't be putting shotguns on any suit but a light frame. That was my point. What are you twelve? I already said we should just agree to disagree. Leave it at that kid.
byte modal 107	Posted - 2014.08.06 19:43:00 - [134] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Thumb Green wrote: You know as CPM your job is to relay our opinions to CCP not to tell us what to do and what to complain about. Indeed. Doesn't mean I'm not allowed to have and express opinions of my own. You are correct it doesn't; what it does mean is you do it without the CPM tag. Because what you say with the CPM tag is supposed to reflect what we say, not what your opinion is. So use an alt if you want to express your opinion. Yeah, CPM!~ You're suppose to say what we want. By we, I mean me. Vote NO on prop. 323: No respec---for the plight of the Yellow-Bellied Sneetches. In all seriousness though, part of the point of electing CPM is to hopefully allow those that are willing to see past their own prejudices, assumptions, and biases to consider opposing views contrary to their own. Are you so short-sighted to not just assume (assuming would be ignorant), but to demand that CPM or an individual of CPM parrot only your voice? So then what of those that have a different opinion to yours? I say nope. No respecs. By your reasoning, CPM should only represent then me and those who agree with me. Meh. Whether I agree with an opinion of any number of CPM members or not; whether they work to promote my opinion on matters over another's or the other way around; or whether or not I am happy with the final CCP-based decision to do whatever they see fit to resolve any number of random tantrums flailing around the interwebz, it's irrelevant. I'll put my trust in them having the foresight to look past the mud that we're all slinging down here, to consider views opposite their own, and to promote the betterment of the community and game. Seriously. The Yellow-Bellied Sneetches. They're dying because of you. Right now, thousands of tiny lil baby Yellow-Bellied Sneetches all soft and fuzzy from their newborn furriness are suffering, alone, and cold. They're tummies distended from lack of nourishment, while buzzards circle above. Shh... did you hear that? The kawing? The ripping of Sneetchy flesh being torn from recently fallen Sneetches, devoured and swallowed by the rioting scavengers? Oh, the Sneetchanity! (that's Hindenburg, not FOX) The smell.... omg the smell! thousands of baby Sneetches flopping about like a kill tank full of farm-raised salmon being electrocuted just before spawning. Look out upon the sea of red and yellow blood-drenched fuzziness, with matted and muddied feathers showing the path of lost tears; but their tears are dry now, dehydrated and exhausted given to collapse and acceptance of their fate. Some have even resorted to cannibalization of those weaker. The shame. The pity. The sorrow. All they need is your love? A simple donation of 0.25 ISK per day is all that I ask. That's less than the cost of a cup of Quafe. ...for the chidlren. The Yellow-Bellied Sneetchy children. Clearly I'm not taking this seriously enough to care. Well. Except for the Sneetches. Oh. and no respecs. But I still love someone here. pinches ur chubby lil cheekie-weekies - le meow. wtfFrench? =^.^= k. back to work now. Irony: Post #35
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 316	Posted - 2014.08.06 19:46:00 - [135] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: Makingshitup.jpg. What are you smoking? It has the least amount of kick of all the rifles aside from the Laser rifle... it has the lowest range as it was supposed to be the CQC rifle. It has the highest damage per shot of an automatic variant aside from the assault scrambler which is on par damage wise with a massive dispersion when hip fired to boot. It has lower RPM but it also has a larger magazine then the Combat Rifle and a different damage profile. The gun is fine as it is you just are trying to use it in roles it wasn't intended for if you think it's UP. I'm done arguing though, you're just going to keep throwing bullshit out for me to refute and then backpedal and redirect as you keep doing.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8978	Posted - 2014.08.06 19:47:00 - [136] - Quote I'm still of the opinion that there should only be a respec offered under the following conditions: 1. One free (one time only) respect offered after graduating from the academy as a new player and after you have been given all of the tools to best understand what each skill book does and which suits benefit from which. A Legion version of Eve Online's ISIS (Interbus Ship Identification System) does this job perfectly. No need for respecs if everything is explained to you on day one. 2. Whenever CCP removes skill books or restructures part or all of the skill tree affected. Only the SP invested in those parts affected should be refunded. 3. Whenever CCP introduces racial parity later on down the line like they did with the Scouts and Heavies. However, this is best avoided by introducing all of the racial variants of everything at once on day one. Beyond that, asking for respecs just because you want to try something different is just being selfish. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 317	Posted - 2014.08.06 19:49:00 - [137] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I'm still of the opinion that there should only be a respec offered under the following conditions: 1. One free (one time only) respect offered after graduating from the academy as a new player and after you have been given all of the tools to best understand what each skill book does and which suits benefit from which. A Legion version of Eve Online's ISIS (Interbus Ship Identification System) does this job perfectly. No need for respecs if everything is explained to you on day one. 2. Whenever CCP removes skill books or restructures part or all of the skill tree affected. Only the SP invested in those parts affected should be refunded. 3. Whenever CCP introduces racial parity later on down the line like they did with the Scouts and Heavies. However, this is best avoided by introducing all of the racial variants of everything at once on day one. Beyond that, asking for respecs just because you want to try something different is just being selfish. What about when they rework the layout of suits? Is that something we were supposed to know was coming with our crystal balls? How is it selfish to be annoyed by them editing values altering the viability that you bought into?
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 91	Posted - 2014.08.06 19:51:00 - [138] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Topher Mellen wrote: Makingshitup.jpg. What are you smoking? It has the least amount of kick of all the rifles aside from the Laser rifle... it has the lowest range as it was supposed to be the CQC rifle. It has the highest damage per shot of an automatic variant aside from the assault scrambler which is on par damage wise with a massive dispersion when hip fired to boot. It has lower RPM but it also has a larger magazine then the Combat Rifle and a different damage profile. The gun is fine as it is you just are trying to use it in roles it wasn't intended for if you think it's UP. I'm done arguing though, you're just going to keep throwing bullshit out for me to refute and then backpedal and redirect as you keep doing. ...k. have fun squirt
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 317	Posted - 2014.08.06 19:54:00 - [139] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Topher Mellen wrote: Makingshitup.jpg. What are you smoking? It has the least amount of kick of all the rifles aside from the Laser rifle... it has the lowest range as it was supposed to be the CQC rifle. It has the highest damage per shot of an automatic variant aside from the assault scrambler which is on par damage wise with a massive dispersion when hip fired to boot. It has lower RPM but it also has a larger magazine then the Combat Rifle and a different damage profile. The gun is fine as it is you just are trying to use it in roles it wasn't intended for if you think it's UP. I'm done arguing though, you're just going to keep throwing bullshit out for me to refute and then backpedal and redirect as you keep doing. ...k. have fun squirt Yeah I thought as much, ran out of bullshit.
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 91	Posted - 2014.08.06 19:55:00 - [140] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Topher Mellen wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Topher Mellen wrote: Makingshitup.jpg. What are you smoking? It has the least amount of kick of all the rifles aside from the Laser rifle... it has the lowest range as it was supposed to be the CQC rifle. It has the highest damage per shot of an automatic variant aside from the assault scrambler which is on par damage wise with a massive dispersion when hip fired to boot. It has lower RPM but it also has a larger magazine then the Combat Rifle and a different damage profile. The gun is fine as it is you just are trying to use it in roles it wasn't intended for if you think it's UP. I'm done arguing though, you're just going to keep throwing bullshit out for me to refute and then backpedal and redirect as you keep doing. ...k. have fun squirt Yeah I thought as much, ran out of bullshit. Answer my first question. What build did you start playing this game? Instead of only slinging mud.

TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 317	Posted - 2014.08.06 19:56:00 - [141] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Topher Mellen wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Topher Mellen wrote: Makingshitup.jpg. What are you smoking? It has the least amount of kick of all the rifles aside from the Laser rifle... it has the lowest range as it was supposed to be the CQC rifle. It has the highest damage per shot of an automatic variant aside from the assault scrambler which is on par damage wise with a massive dispersion when hip fired to boot. It has lower RPM but it also has a larger magazine then the Combat Rifle and a different damage profile. The gun is fine as it is you just are trying to use it in roles it wasn't intended for if you think it's UP. I'm done arguing though, you're just going to keep throwing bullshit out for me to refute and then backpedal and redirect as you keep doing. ...k. have fun squirt Yeah I thought as much, ran out of bullshit. Answer my first question. What build did you start playing this game? Instead of only slinging mud. 1.1. Now explain where you feel you needed to know when I said after uprising gallente has been fine? Assuming you are probably going to be like YEAH ***** I WAS IN BETA! It still doesn't refute any of the facts I laid out or excuse any of your bullshit. And as for mudslinging you said you had a bad kd/r not me. I only said you having a bad kd/r doesn't only mean you must be UP. It can also mean you're bad. I refute the notion that Gallente has been UP since uprising began. I explained thoroughly why while you tried to attack my age and make claims that I refuted like the AR being bad. Mudslinging is what you have been failing at.
Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 1213	Posted - 2014.08.06 20:04:00 - [142] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Also, this is an internet clone murder simulator council of psychopaths, not the Senate. Relax son, gotdayum. That have an impact, however small it may be, on how this game and Legion are developed. Ripley Riley wrote: but CPM is allowed to have opinions on things. They must still represent us; if you notice they are not putting forward ideas and opinions that align with yours then don't vote for them next time. And I never said they couldn't have their own opinions; just that they shouldn't be posting them with the CPM tag. The only way we can determine if they are representing us is by what they say to us. This isn't about his ideas and opinions aligning with mine; this is about the CPM tag being used to put forward his opinion which was to tell us what we should be doing and complaining about. To Byte Modal, you're an idiot. What he said was his own opinion not that of anyone else. He didn't put it forth as what the average opinion of the community was; he put it forth as his opinion with the CPM tag attached. And the only thing this has to do with a respec is the fact that he told us we shouldn't be complaining about not getting one. Kill Scotty
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8978	Posted - 2014.08.06 20:16:00 - [143] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I'm still of the opinion that there should only be a respec offered under the following conditions: 1. One free (one time only) respect offered after graduating from the academy as a new player and after you have been given all of the tools to best understand what each skill book does and which suits benefit from which. A Legion version of Eve Online's ISIS (Interbus Ship Identification System) does this job perfectly. No need for respecs if everything is explained to you on day one. 2. Whenever CCP removes skill books or restructures part or all of the skill tree affected. Only the SP invested in those parts affected should be refunded. 3. Whenever CCP introduces racial parity later on down the line like they did with the Scouts and Heavies. However, this is best avoided by introducing all of the racial variants of everything at once on day one. Beyond that, asking for respecs just because you want to try something different is just being selfish. What about when they rework the layout of suits? Is that something we were supposed to know was coming with our crystal balls? How is it selfish to be annoyed by them editing values altering the viability that you bought into? People asked that same question in Eve Online. Whole ships have had their slot layouts and bonuses completely changed over the course of the previous 11 years that Eve has been around. So far, no respecs were ever handed out since 2003. At least besides that one respec that was given during the launch of the game. Below is a list of changes made to the ships when Kronos launched this year. So far, hardly anyone asked for a respec and everyone quickly adapted within the week after release without any respecs handed out. http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-kronos This wasn't the first such change either. Again, ships were overhauled over the course of 11 years. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 319	Posted - 2014.08.06 20:20:00 - [144] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I'm still of the opinion that there should only be a respec offered under the following conditions: 1. One free (one time only) respect offered after graduating from the academy as a new player and after you have been given all of the tools to best understand what each skill book does and which suits benefit from which. A Legion version of Eve Online's ISIS (Interbus Ship Identification System) does this job perfectly. No need for respecs if everything is explained to you on day one. 2. Whenever CCP removes skill books or restructures part or all of the skill tree affected. Only the SP invested in those parts affected should be refunded. 3. Whenever CCP introduces racial parity later on down the line like they did with the Scouts and Heavies. However, this is best avoided by introducing all of the racial variants of everything at once on day one. Beyond that, asking for respecs just because you want to try something different is just being selfish. What about when they rework the layout of suits? Is that something we were supposed to know was coming with our crystal balls? How is it selfish to be annoyed by them editing values altering the viability that you bought into? People asked that same question in Eve Online. Whole ships have had their slot layouts and bonuses completely changed over the course of the previous 11 years that Eve has been around. So far, no respecs were ever handed out since 2003. At least besides that one respec that was given during the launch of the game. Below is a list of changes made to the ships when Kronos launched this year. So far, hardly anyone asked for a respec and everyone quickly adapted within the week after release without any respecs handed out. http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-kronos This wasn't the first such change either. Again, ships were overhauled over the course of 11 years. Now explain where this whole Eve not getting respecs because CCP is against it thing makes players selfish for wanting a redo when ** gets changed and CCP arbitrarily wastes their time. I get it, CCP is a douchey company didn't take long after seeing what happened to dust over time to know that. Explain though why this somehow makes it okay if Eve gets shafted the same way? Key word would be arbitrary here. This is a game, why do people pride the New Eden community on being ** exactly? Explain why this is an accomplishment? Its a virtual world that doesn't mean anything. Just because people give their lives away to Eve will never change the fact that it is still just a game. It's a thing to do that CCP has as you address always done that there is no real reason to do when they could of let people respec. But they must live with their consequences! It's a *** game, made for having fun, what consequences does a game really have that isn't ultimately solved by the consumer saying no eat a ** and choosing another company. The only reason CCP has survived so long is because no other company has decided to make a space mmo but there are several down the pipeline coming that will render Eve irrelevant, hence CCPs scramble to put out all these add-on games. Eve has never been WoW. I don't think it can survive on loyalty alone in a field of zero competition. Especially if they aren't priding themselves on being assholes like CCP does and Blizzard did not.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8978	Posted - 2014.08.06 20:23:00 - [145] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: but CPM is allowed to have opinions on things. They must still represent us; if you notice they are not putting forward ideas and opinions that align with yours then don't vote for them next time. And I never said they couldn't have their own opinions; just that they shouldn't be posting them with the CPM tag. The only way we can determine if they are representing us is by what they say to us. I am willing to let the CPM state their own opinions under the CPM tag. I voted for some of them after all. Just remember that when CCP speaks on behalf of us, they are speaking on behalf of those who voted them in which will include folks who have different opinions than you. Also, I would rather see a CPM member post on a his/her main rather than an alt because 1) I don't want to be bothered with having to memorize which alt belongs to who and 2) it attracts a good conversation when the opinion is posted under the tag. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8978	Posted - 2014.08.06 20:34:00 - [146] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I'm still of the opinion that there should only be a respec offered under the following conditions: 1. One free (one time only) respect offered after graduating from the academy as a new player and after you have been given all of the tools to best understand what each skill book does and which suits benefit from which. A Legion version of Eve Online's ISIS (Interbus Ship Identification System) does this job perfectly. No need for respecs if everything is explained to you on day one. 2. Whenever CCP removes skill books or restructures part or all of the skill tree affected. Only the SP invested in those parts affected should be refunded. 3. Whenever CCP introduces racial parity later on down the line like they did with the Scouts and Heavies. However, this is best avoided by introducing all of the racial variants of everything at once on day one. Beyond that, asking for respecs just because you want to try something different is just being selfish. What about when they rework the layout of suits? Is that something we were supposed to know was coming with our crystal balls? How is it selfish to be annoyed by them editing values altering the viability that you bought into? People asked that same question in Eve Online. Whole ships have had their slot layouts and bonuses completely changed over the course of the previous 11 years that Eve has been around. So far, no respecs were ever handed out since 2003. At least besides that one respec that was given during the launch of the game. Below is a list of changes made to the ships when Kronos launched this year. So far, hardly anyone asked for a respec and everyone quickly adapted within the week after release without any respecs handed out. http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-kronos This wasn't the first such change either. Again, ships were overhauled over the course of 11 years. Now explain where this whole Eve not getting respecs because CCP is against it thing makes players selfish for wanting a redo when ** gets changed and CCP arbitrarily wastes their time. I get it, CCP is a douchey company didn't take long after seeing what happened to dust over time to know that. Explain though why this somehow makes it okay if Eve gets shafted the same way? Key word would be arbitrary here. This is a game, why do people pride the New Eden community on being **** exactly? Explain why this is an accomplishment? Its a virtual world that doesn't mean anything. Just because people give their lives away to Eve will never change the fact that it is still just a game. Your first point: Because respecs encourage FoTM chasing. FoTM chasers are selfish by nature. Your second point: Because in Eve Online, we have been conditioned to never rely on respecs. We have been given all of the tools needed to adapt to any change CCP throws at us. If Legion were to get those same tools, then respecs will become unnecessary. Your final point: Many of us like Eve with a passion because of how we affected it during its development with the help of the CSM. But it's not just that. Eve also gave us the sense of camaraderie with the community especially since many players who are worlds apart gather together in person during Fanfest, EveVages, etc. We like to know each other in person in addition to in-game. Many of the CCP Devs even use to start off as Eve subscribers before they got hired because of their skills in programming. We know it's just a game. We just choose to treat is more than that. If you don't like that, the door is that way. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
byte modal 107	Posted - 2014.08.06 20:34:00 - [147] - Quote lol? Yeah, that's sorta the point. It was his opinion. If you can't rise above it to recognize the difference between having an opinion and actively weighing the pros and cons of other's opinions, suggestions, rants, what have you, then that's your deficiency. If you disagree with him, or really if he fails to keep his opinions and biases separate from what he pushes to CCP without a good point/counter-point mind set, then he will have then failed. I will stand corrected. You (and I in that case) can vote him out next go round. Checks and balances and such. In the meantime, he shouldn't have to edit himself because forum loudmouths are too narrow to realize one can have and respect two opposing thoughts at the same time. I thought my post was tongue-in-cheek enough to warrant better than "idiot." Sigh. Oh well. As has been previously suggested: relax. - me. <3<3<3 Irony: Post #35
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2974	Posted - 2014.08.06 20:42:00 - [148] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: I know.. They all suck, but amarr is fun to dink around with.. Stay away from minmatar it's terrible. I don't mean lore wise I mean the fitting is yeah it's something.. Noted. What's terrible about it exactly? The assault bonus for them looks appropriate for their weapon list. I've been rolling Caldari assault since launch day and I have enjoyed it a lot. I think our reload speed bonus is subpar, but it's a shitton better than Gallente assault (which I hear is bugged and/or next to useless with their weapon list). The bonus is great but you're basically a scout without the scout bonuses. Unless they changed it? When it comes to speed it's the best, but for assaulting I would categorize it as a scout style assault. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 319	Posted - 2014.08.06 20:46:00 - [149] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Your first point: Because respecs encourage FoTM chasing. FoTM chasers are selfish by nature. Your second point: Because in Eve Online, we have been conditioned to never rely on respecs. We have been given all of the tools needed to adapt to any change CCP throws at us. If Legion were to get those same tools, then respecs will become unnecessary. Your final point: Many of us like Eve with a passion because of how we affected it during its development with the help of the CSM. But it's not just that. Eve also gave us the sense of camaraderie with the community especially since many players who are worlds apart gather together in person during Fanfest, EveVages, etc. We like to know each other in person in addition to in-game. Many of the CCP Devs even use to start off as Eve subscribers before they got hired because of their skills in programming. We know it's just a game. We just choose to treat is more than that. If you don't like that, the door is that way. Here just putting this copy paste since you quoted after I edited after more thought: Now explain where this whole Eve not getting respecs because CCP is against it thing makes players selfish for wanting a redo when ** gets changed and CCP arbitrarily wastes their time. I get it, CCP is a douchey company didn't take long after seeing what happened to dust over time to know that. Explain though why this somehow makes it okay if Eve gets shafted the same way? Key word would be arbitrary here. This is a game, why do people pride the New Eden community on being ** exactly? Explain why this is an accomplishment? Its a virtual world that doesn't mean anything. Just because people give their lives away to Eve will never change the fact that it is still just a game. It's a thing to do that CCP has as you address always done that there is no real reason to do when they could of let people respec. But they must live with their consequences! It's a *** game, made for having fun, what consequences does a game really have that isn't ultimately solved by the consumer saying no eat a ** and choosing another company. The only reason CCP has survived so long is because no other company has decided to make a space mmo but there are several down the pipeline coming that will render Eve irrelevant, hence CCPs scramble to put out all these add-on games like Valkyrie and Dust er... Legion. Eve has never been WoW. I don't think it can survive on loyalty alone from a field of zero competition. Especially if they aren't priding themselves on being assholes like CCP does and Blizzard did not. People still play Everquest 1 and Ultima Online, I don't have their budgets of course but I'm pretty sure the people that still run servers aren't making much, if the servers are even paying for themselves... Eve will go the same way especially when they are trying to turn players off of New Eden with arbitrary rules designed to frustrate. As to your first point: If we want to take the game specific complaint route. Protostomping is selfish, why don't we discourage that too? 2nd point: The world as a whole doesn't care about what adversity you underwent in your fictional world. But, objectively from a game design perspective, this isn't a popular concept, hence as I point out the fact that Eve has always been irrelevant to the gaming world except for nerds to watch the super nerds chimp out in their space mmo and laugh at them for being so delusional and putting so much effort into nothing. People aren't wowed that one guy will rip off a corporation for what others would pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for. They are wowed that Eve players would value it at hundreds of thousands of dollars. Punishing players for playing your game by changing the rules arbitrarily doesn't make it a good game. That makes it the opposite of a good game. Eve like I said, has survived by simply being a space MMO in a market where space MMOs don't exist. This is changing though as people have gotten sick of the cookie cutter fantasy MMO games and more exploration of mechanics are coming with better technology. Hence why CCP is finally scrambling after a decade of milking Eve to branch out. 3rd point: This is literally said by everyone who has ever played a mmo and is not a unique experience that only Eve brings. You just experienced it through Eve.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2974	Posted - 2014.08.06 20:47:00 - [150] - Quote Okay my honest opinion.. Yes we should get a respec.. Yes I will go right back into my assaults.. Also because legion should be coming out soon(tm). This benefits new players more than us old cranky vets so I guess I'd be fine with one. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro

TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 319	Posted - 2014.08.06 20:48:00 - [151] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: I know.. They all suck, but amarr is fun to dink around with.. Stay away from minmatar it's terrible. I don't mean lore wise I mean the fitting is yeah it's something.. Noted. What's terrible about it exactly? The assault bonus for them looks appropriate for their weapon list. I've been rolling Caldari assault since launch day and I have enjoyed it a lot. I think our reload speed bonus is subpar, but it's a shitton better than Gallente assault (which I hear is bugged and/or next to useless with their weapon list). The bonus is great but you're basically a scout without the scout bonuses. Unless they changed it? When it comes to speed it's the best, but for assaulting I would categorize it as a scout style assault. It's always been that way, its why I left the minmitar line up. Because it was the most influenced by speed tanking which became pretty meh when AA was fixed and hit detection was improved.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8979	Posted - 2014.08.06 21:11:00 - [152] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: As to your first point: If we want to take the game specific complaint route. Protostomping is selfish, why don't we discourage that too? 2nd point: The world as a whole doesn't care about what adversity you underwent in your fictional world. But, objectively from a game design perspective, this isn't a popular concept, hence as I point out the fact that Eve has always been irrelevant to the gaming world except for nerds to watch the super nerds chimp out in their space mmo and laugh at them for being so delusional and putting so much effort into nothing. People aren't wowed that one guy will rip off a corporation for what others would pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for. They are wowed that Eve players would value it at hundreds of thousands of dollars. Punishing players for playing your game by changing the rules arbitrarily doesn't make it a good game. That makes it the opposite of a good game. Eve like I said, has survived by simply being a space MMO in a market where space MMOs don't exist. This is changing though as people have gotten sick of the cookie cutter fantasy MMO games and more exploration of mechanics and themes are coming with better technology. Hence why CCP is finally scrambling after a decade of milking Eve to branch out. 3rd point: This is literally said by everyone who has ever played a mmo and is not a unique experience that only Eve brings. You just experienced it through Eve. First Point: Fair Point. Second Point: Not true at all. If you have ever been an Eve player before for at least a year, you will see that Eve Online didn't survive because it was a space MMO. EA's Earth & Beyond was around back when CCP's Eve came out. Almost everyone predicted Eve Online will crumble under the weight of EA's might. Several years later, EA announced the closure of the Earth & Beyond servers and ultimately the game itself. Keep in mind that at the time, CCP started off with its office being something like an apartment while EA had a whole headquarters. I'm still trying to wrap my head around what happened. But that's not why Eve survived. Eve survived because of it is the only game in which you can do otherwise-illegal **** and still get away with it because technically you "didn't break any rules". There is also the fact that Eve Online has introduced an MMO economic model that is so self-sustainable and successful that Guild Wars 2 borrowed part of its model in an attempt to emulate that success. Also, if you go to college and study economics or social science, you may have seen some students bring up Eve Online as part of their essays or topics. This is because many colleges and universities look at Eve Online as a social and economic experiment. Final Point: I guess you're right about that. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 91	Posted - 2014.08.06 21:13:00 - [153] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: 1.1. Now explain where you feel you needed to know when I said after uprising gallente has been fine? Assuming you are probably going to be like YEAH ***** I WAS IN BETA! It still doesn't refute any of the facts I laid out or excuse any of your bullshit. And as for mudslinging you said you had a bad kd/r not me. I only said you having a bad kd/r doesn't only mean you must be UP. It can also mean you're bad. I refute the notion that Gallente has been UP since uprising began. I explained thoroughly why while you tried to attack my age and make claims that I refuted like the AR being bad. Mudslinging is what you have been failing at. This whole gallente thing sprang from you claiming that you had been nerfed and you didn't mind. You hadn't been nerfed. Not like some of the other play styles like speed tanking and shield tanking. Brick tanking has been the most solid strategy across all of uprising. Okay, so you were around for the release of the other rifles. Check this
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 319	Posted - 2014.08.06 21:23:00 - [154] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: As to your first point: If we want to take the game specific complaint route. Protostomping is selfish, why don't we discourage that too? 2nd point: The world as a whole doesn't care about what adversity you underwent in your fictional world. But, objectively from a game design perspective, this isn't a popular concept, hence as I point out the fact that Eve has always been irrelevant to the gaming world except for nerds to watch the super nerds chimp out in their space mmo and laugh at them for being so delusional and putting so much effort into nothing. People aren't wowed that one guy will rip off a corporation for what others would pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for. They are wowed that Eve players would value it at hundreds of thousands of dollars. Punishing players for playing your game by changing the rules arbitrarily doesn't make it a good game. That makes it the opposite of a good game. Eve like I said, has survived by simply being a space MMO in a market where space MMOs don't exist. This is changing though as people have gotten sick of the cookie cutter fantasy MMO games and more exploration of mechanics and themes are coming with better technology. Hence why CCP is finally scrambling after a decade of milking Eve to branch out. 3rd point: This is literally said by everyone who has ever played a mmo and is not a unique experience that only Eve brings. You just experienced it through Eve. First Point: Fair Point. Second Point: Not true at all. If you have ever been an Eve player before for at least a year, you will see that Eve Online didn't survive because it was a space MMO. EA's Earth & Beyond was around back when CCP's Eve came out. Almost everyone predicted Eve Online will crumble under the weight of EA's might. Several years later, EA announced the closure of the Earth & Beyond servers and ultimately the game itself. Keep in mind that at the time, CCP started off with its office being something like an apartment while EA had a whole headquarters. I'm still trying to wrap my head around what happened. But that's not why Eve survived. Eve survived because of it is the only game in which you can do otherwise-illegal ** and still get away with it because technically you "didn't break any rules". There is also the fact that Eve Online has introduced an MMO economic model that is so self-sustainable and successful that Guild Wars 2 borrowed part of its model in an attempt to emulate that success. Also, if you go to college and study economics or social science, you may have seen some students bring up Eve Online as part of their essays or topics. This is because many colleges and universities look at Eve Online as a social and economic experiment. Final Point: I guess you're right about that. As to the second point: I hadn't heard of Earth and Beyond I'll have to look it up but if I had to guess EA was probably being . Because although I am ragging on CCP EA by far takes the shittiest business practices for a game company to have award and has been blowing competitors out of the water since the sims 1. So it won't suprise me if EA failed at that. Though I do agree the do whatever concept is a huge appeal they aren't the only game doing this and they weren't back then either. They aren't the only ones who have done this although they are for a space mmo. There's been a lot of MMO's out there and i'd say for one, Voyage Century was like that as well except it was a piracy naval game as opposed to space. I don't know what you mean by their economic model, but if its related to microtransactions started in the late 90s. If its subscription likewise, and hybrids likewise. If you could let me know what is special about Eves economic model though I'm all ears. Also as to it being a topic of social science and economics, so is WoW and most MMOs. again it comes back to my third point, these things weren't unique to Eve, you just experienced them through Eve. Take it from someone that's been playing and has played many MMOs over the past 12 years. I stayed away from Eve for the reasons Ive been lambasting it. Arbitrary bullshit like punishing me for them changing things around. I play Dust because it was free. I don't believe in the whole early access pre order and I never pay for a game unless I am happy with its development. This game was never a finished product in my eyes and likewise I wipe my brow that I stuck to my guns and didn't believe them. Its the same reason I stay away from kickstarter ** too. If they will make something good they need to do it up front, sadly too many companies and individuals including CCP take it for granted and cut and run after taking essentially cloud funding. It's not illegal but I don't think it should be supported. Just like its not illegal to scam people in Eve, still doesn't mean I'm going to walk into a scam.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 319	Posted - 2014.08.06 21:28:00 - [155] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: 1.1. Now explain where you feel you needed to know when I said after uprising gallente has been fine? Assuming you are probably going to be like YEAH ***** I WAS IN BETA! It still doesn't refute any of the facts I laid out or excuse any of your bullshit. And as for mudslinging you said you had a bad kd/r not me. I only said you having a bad kd/r doesn't only mean you must be UP. It can also mean you're bad. I refute the notion that Gallente has been UP since uprising began. I explained thoroughly why while you tried to attack my age and make claims that I refuted like the AR being bad. Mudslinging is what you have been failing at. This whole gallente thing sprang from you claiming that you had been nerfed and you didn't mind. You hadn't been nerfed. Not like some of the other play styles like speed tanking and shield tanking. Brick tanking has been the most solid strategy across all of uprising. Okay, so you were around for the release of the other rifles. Check this They were bad in 1.7 I did mention that early on, but I believed that was irrelevant as everything infantry was overshadowed by tank supremacy then. They fixed it in 1.8.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1897	Posted - 2014.08.06 21:28:00 - [156] - Quote HAHAHA!!!! You're playing a game that is just about dead and will probably last another year and you want a respec? HAHAHAHAHALOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! Pathetic fools... I am Dust Free, found fun in gaming again, Destiny, hell yes, Planetside2? Makes dust look like what it is, crap.
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 91	Posted - 2014.08.06 21:31:00 - [157] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Topher Mellen wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: 1.1. Now explain where you feel you needed to know when I said after uprising gallente has been fine? Assuming you are probably going to be like YEAH ***** I WAS IN BETA! It still doesn't refute any of the facts I laid out or excuse any of your bullshit. And as for mudslinging you said you had a bad kd/r not me. I only said you having a bad kd/r doesn't only mean you must be UP. It can also mean you're bad. I refute the notion that Gallente has been UP since uprising began. I explained thoroughly why while you tried to attack my age and make claims that I refuted like the AR being bad. Mudslinging is what you have been failing at. This whole gallente thing sprang from you claiming that you had been nerfed and you didn't mind. You hadn't been nerfed. Not like some of the other play styles like speed tanking and shield tanking. Brick tanking has been the most solid strategy across all of uprising. Okay, so you were around for the release of the other rifles. Check this They were bad in 1.7 I did mention that early on, but I believed that was irrelevant as everything infantry was overshadowed by tank supremacy then. They fixed it in 1.8. It's not like I got in a tank. I played infantry, it's what I like. <-- being civil now My point is that people picked up the Burst AR for a long range assault rifle and then the combat rifle came out. Shouldn't the guy in the Minmatar Assault Suit get the Combat Rifle he would have used if the game were finished?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12648	Posted - 2014.08.06 21:32:00 - [158] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: HAHAHA!!!! You're playing a game that is just about dead and will probably last another year and you want a respec? HAHAHAHAHALOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! Pathetic fools... Dude I don't think you get it.....a game isn't dead until the last players sign off or the servers go down..... while Dust certainly isn't thriving or meeting its original goals in any way shape or form..... its certainly not dead... I mean even Demon's Souls was active until this time last year, and even with low player counts it still had a cult player base of loyal fans. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 91	Posted - 2014.08.06 21:35:00 - [159] - Quote True Adamance wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: HAHAHA!!!! You're playing a game that is just about dead and will probably last another year and you want a respec? HAHAHAHAHALOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! Pathetic fools... Dude I don't think you get it.....a game isn't dead until the last players sign off or the servers go down..... while Dust certainly isn't thriving or meeting its original goals in any way shape or form..... its certainly not dead... I mean even Demon's Souls was active until this time last year, and even with low player counts it still had a cult player base of loyal fans. ^This
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 319	Posted - 2014.08.06 21:38:00 - [160] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Topher Mellen wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: 1.1. Now explain where you feel you needed to know when I said after uprising gallente has been fine? Assuming you are probably going to be like YEAH ***** I WAS IN BETA! It still doesn't refute any of the facts I laid out or excuse any of your bullshit. And as for mudslinging you said you had a bad kd/r not me. I only said you having a bad kd/r doesn't only mean you must be UP. It can also mean you're bad. I refute the notion that Gallente has been UP since uprising began. I explained thoroughly why while you tried to attack my age and make claims that I refuted like the AR being bad. Mudslinging is what you have been failing at. This whole gallente thing sprang from you claiming that you had been nerfed and you didn't mind. You hadn't been nerfed. Not like some of the other play styles like speed tanking and shield tanking. Brick tanking has been the most solid strategy across all of uprising. Okay, so you were around for the release of the other rifles. Check this They were bad in 1.7 I did mention that early on, but I believed that was irrelevant as everything infantry was overshadowed by tank supremacy then. They fixed it in 1.8. It's not like I got in a tank. I played infantry, it's what I like. <-- being civil now My point is that people picked up the Burst AR for a long range assault rifle and then the combat rifle came out. Shouldn't the guy in the Minmatar Assault Suit get the Combat Rifle he would have used if the game were finished? That was intentionally done with every variant. The Burst AR isn't supposed to be as good as the combat rifle and the assault isn't supposed to be as good as the AR. Just like the TAC AR isn't supposed to be as good as the scrambler rifle and the assault scrambler isn't supposed to be as good as the standard AR. The Assault CR appears to be better at times then the AR because of the difference in damage profiles combined with the popularity of armor tanking over shield tanking. The AR is more optimal for shredding shields which in a meta game where shield tanking is unpopular makes the gun look UP. That's all I'm saying. And I don't disagree that the frontline suits should be race specific now if that's what you mean... I figured they weren't because Rattatai didn't want to or couldn't edit that without a client side update or something.

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16134	Posted - 2014.08.06 21:41:00 - [161] - Quote I bet if Legion where to have an election majority of the voters would have been eve players who would rampage at the mere idea of respecs existing... CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 91	Posted - 2014.08.06 21:49:00 - [162] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I bet if Legion where to have an election majority of the voters would have been eve players who would rampage at the mere idea of respecs existing... No offense, but they would have been just as mad at a game being 'released' in an beta state. Congrats on the seat by the way. You made my list in the vote.
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4473	Posted - 2014.08.06 21:56:00 - [163] - Quote Do you mean a respec as in full refund of ALL skill points? Or do you just mean partial refunds of certain parts of the skill tree? Please don't confuse the two. A respec is NEVER partial, so asking for a respec is asking for ALL skill points to be refunded. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3010	Posted - 2014.08.06 22:05:00 - [164] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Because when you speak on the forums with the CPM tag you are first and foremost a council member. This is not true. Plenty of posts CPM members have made in the past have nothing to do with the CPM. If my corp declares war on another, and I announce it on the forums, am I speaking as a CPM member? Or am I speaking as a member of my corp? Thumb Green wrote: And I never said they couldn't have their own opinions; just that they shouldn't be posting them with the CPM tag. We literally can only post with the CPM tag. It's not a checkbox. So either we're allowed to have personal opinions or we're not. I don't think they really want CPM members doing alt posting, especially since alt posting is technically a bannable offense in some areas of the forums. Thumb Green wrote: Excuse me for trying to take the CPM role seriously (foolish me, I know). We can't judge them based on when they are addressing CCP because most of that is shrouded in a NDA so we rarely get to witness what they actually advocate to CCP. So it's best that whenever they speak with the CPM tag that what they say reflects what that tag represents. Just as it would in the real world. As a trivia answer: In terms of respec, the big question for me, is whether or not support for it reaches a certain threshold. The last respec offered was done because the respec feedback thread went into like... triple digit pages. There's always demands for respecs like.... every single patch. People should not get respecs every single patch. So the question is when there's an exceptional demand for respecs. So, such, I am watching the thread. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 726	Posted - 2014.08.06 22:05:00 - [165] - Quote Eh, I'm all for a Respec. Does it even matter anymore? The game is dying, SP WON'T transfer to Legion. People are getting bored, let them start over. Personally, I don't need a respec I made three characters before this one to know where to put my points. Only thing I would do with a respec would be to spec out of the RR. "Your forefathers fought alongside the Empire, it is your choice to follow them or not." Captain Dante to "Forever".
Kyr Kitar Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 32	Posted - 2014.08.06 22:22:00 - [166] - Quote I'd like to give a fresh point of view from a player who has only been playing six months, and not even at an intense level. I do not spend AUR but I might have if I had more time to play (I see nothing wrong with spending money on hobbies.. if I was into fishing or hunting I'd have to buy gear as well, gaming is just a hobby like any other). I have 2 characters and their SP total is about 13.5million I think. For me, a respec is pretty useless. I might have level 3 in a certain weapon that I don't often use but that boils down to a few hundred thousand SP maybe. I've had someone teach me the game, literally, so I don't have much in terms of wasted SP. I have a few RL friends who I told to download DUST and even if they never played they could gather some SP so when the time is there to play we can at least have a little fun. A few of them ventured into DUST themselves once or twice and all of them said, and this was my initial idea as well, that this game is absolutely horrible for newer players. It leans waaaay too much onto EVE Lore where the developers might think any new players come from EVE and thus already know the whole race-lore and which race prefers what kind of thing and what they use weapon wise. As a new player who never played EVE all of this means absolutely nothing. You get a little lore at the start which turns out to be COMPLETELY POINTLESS when you think about it. Really, if it said amarr were bananas and caldari apples it wouldn't make any difference for the following stuff which is, picking your first suit/fitting and shooting things in academy. The fact you now get the racial weapons makes the lore thing a little more on-topic but that's it really. I realise this has nothing to do with a respec but it holds some links to the whole "I am new and don't know what to do in DUST". The explanations regarding what to actually do with fittings and where to find options are very limited and very unhelpful. It would be wise to have a larger tutorial of some sort. Now, if you don't know what you are doing and you stumble across the skill-tree you are likely to spend your points in random things, probably dropsuits because you'd think that is the first thing you should get. We all know you might as well run a militia fit or maybe a basic suit with militia weapons/modules and get some shield/armor or core upgrades first, but others might spec into a suit and then proceed to die all the time because of low survivability. If you spend your first million on things like this, or even 1.5million, before you realise what happens I can see where getting a respec might actually help you have more fun. Personally I've distributed fairly well and wouldn't benefit from it. Those who have extreme amounts wouldn't benefit either, but the inbetweeners, those who play long enough to play regularly now but had to learn by themselves before someone helped them out would definitely start having a little more fun. The arguments I read about making a choice and having to live with it are redundant. I am only playing 6 months so far (I started a week or two before the dropsuit command respec I think) and already I've seen so many changes to this game. Small patches that rocket a certain class or suit to powerful specs are such gamechangers, I fail to see why you'd have to live with your choices. I've played a few other MMOs and in every single one of those there was a respec option. When the games were new they were costly or not so often but as the games were around longer the respecs becamse either cheaper or more easily accessable. Mainly because 1) more people started to play and thus a bigger playerpool that got competitive, 2) the game changed so much (ring a bell?) that respecs were in order or 3) people could play how they want at any given time as long as they felt they should spend money or ingame currency on it. Sometimes a respec would not be all that costly but as you did more of them it would get more and more expensive, to prevent people changing their skills at will. My conclusion is, it would benefit this game and it's rather small community as a whole if there was some form of respec. I can't really argue about a respec for all talents or just certain aspects, I don't think it matters all that much. Looking at the dropsuit changes and slot layouts I'd say that alone would warrant a dropsuit command respec once again. Looking at the weaponry changes that might warrant a weaponry respec. Dropsuit Upgrades has seen less of a change I believe so you could possibly ignore that - but that is probably where there are some points spent people would rather drop into other talents. A full respec would be the best option. Now, my suggestion is - a respec button, somewhere in the skill tree, available at any given time for anyone. It should be something that costs ISK and it should be a rather large sum (for newer players, not a large sum for longtime vets - I realise some people have insane amounts of ISK. Making it super expensive would only mean the extremely rich could respec) and it should get increasingly expensive to discourage swapping talents every other day. If newer players would realise that it gets more expensive every time they would automatically think longer about which ones to invest into and probably try to think of a suit that is in line with how they want to play the game rather than just getting random stuff spread out over the skill trees. All in all, I am in favour of a respec even though for me personally it holds little value.
Kyr Kitar Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 32	Posted - 2014.08.06 22:31:00 - [167] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Because when you speak on the forums with the CPM tag you are first and foremost a council member. This is not true. Plenty of posts CPM members have made in the past have nothing to do with the CPM. If my corp declares war on another, and I announce it on the forums, am I speaking as a CPM member? Or am I speaking as a member of my corp? Thumb Green wrote: And I never said they couldn't have their own opinions; just that they shouldn't be posting them with the CPM tag. We literally can only post with the CPM tag. It's not a checkbox. So either we're allowed to have personal opinions or we're not. I don't think they really want CPM members doing alt posting, especially since alt posting is technically a bannable offense in some areas of the forums. Thumb Green wrote: Excuse me for trying to take the CPM role seriously (foolish me, I know). We can't judge them based on when they are addressing CCP because most of that is shrouded in a NDA so we rarely get to witness what they actually advocate to CCP. So it's best that whenever they speak with the CPM tag that what they say reflects what that tag represents. Just as it would in the real world. As a trivia answer: In terms of respec, the big question for me, is whether or not support for it reaches a certain threshold. The last respec offered was done because the respec feedback thread went into like... triple digit pages. There's always demands for respecs like.... every single patch. People should not get respecs every single patch. So the question is when there's an exceptional demand for respecs. So, such, I am watching the thread. Uhm, I don't know you. I know you recently got elected in this whole CPM thing. I have never seen, or at least don't remeber, any previous posts of you. To me, you are part of this CPM Board. Whatever you post seems to have more merit or more importance and definitely more weight PURELY because of the CPM tag. From the moment you got that tag you received authority and responsibility. Everything you say comes with the CPM tag included. You should realise you can't post in the same way like you used to. I don't know what type of job or position you have IRL but it's the same thing. You can't be a leader of a group or have more responsibility and act the exact same as those below you. This causes some sort of friction or annoyance somewhere and in the end only hurts you and your position. Basic leadership knowledge really...
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16135	Posted - 2014.08.06 22:38:00 - [168] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: Eh, I'm all for a Respec. Does it even matter anymore? The game is dying, SP WON'T transfer to Legion. People are getting bored, let them start over. Personally, I don't need a respec I made three characters before this one to know where to put my points. Only thing I would do with a respec would be to spec out of the RR. If I could post an ASCII art of captain picard facepalming I would. But I can't so I wont. 1 It matters still 2 Game is not dying its been doing the opposite lately. 3 SP will transfer to legion. 4 The option to start over is always available its called a new character. 5 Don't speak on behalf of things you don't need with such authoritative manner. 6. Don't make authoritative positional claims with such tactful lack to that authority 6 Then don't make a statement of needing such thing. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 91	Posted - 2014.08.06 22:38:00 - [169] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Do you mean a respec as in full refund of ALL skill points? Or do you just mean partial refunds of certain parts of the skill tree? Please don't confuse the two. A respec is NEVER partial, so asking for a respec is asking for ALL skill points to be refunded. I'm here supporting a partial respec. For those things that have received racial parity, or basically a pistol and rifle respec. (Not the dropsuits, we already got that respec)
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8979	Posted - 2014.08.06 22:38:00 - [170] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: As to the second point: I hadn't heard of Earth and Beyond I'll have to look it up but if I had to guess EA was probably being **. Because although I am ragging on CCP EA by far takes the shittiest business practices for a game company to have award and has been blowing competitors out of the water since the sims 1. So it won't suprise me if EA failed at that. Though I do agree the do whatever concept is a huge appeal they aren't the only game doing this and they weren't back then either. They aren't the only ones who have done this although they are for a space mmo. There's been a lot of MMO's out there and i'd say for one, Voyage Century was like that as well except it was a piracy naval game as opposed to space. I have never heard of Voyage Century so I can't say anything about that. Quote: I don't know what you mean by their economic model, but if its related to microtransactions started in the late 90s. If its subscription likewise, and hybrids likewise. If you could let me know what is special about Eves economic model though I'm all ears. You misunderstood me. Not that kind of model. I'm talking about full-blown player-run economy. CCP does have a PLEX system in place that allows Eve players to extend their subscriptions with ISK while allowing players to sell PLEX for ISK, but that's only part of what I'm talking about. The economic model I'm mainly referring to is the secondary market which also has an extremely complex and vast industry system where players harvest resources, use resources to manufacture goods, and then sell those goods to other players which eventually get destroyed in pvp confrontations. It has its own cycle. I don't know how it is in WoW because I never played the game, but Eve Online did get the award for best mmo economy of 2012 and that's just two years ago which is still somewhat recent when you look at Eve's age. I have heard that WoW has its own auction house and craft system, but I'm also told that WoW separates the servers from each other so any wealth you have in one server won't translate well in other servers. Eve Online on the other hand has everything in one server and so any impact on one region economically will effect other regions both directly and indirectly. I know this about Eve because I'm an experienced marketeer and I have skills in industry. Quote: Also as to it being a topic of social science and economics, so is WoW and most MMOs. again it comes back to my third point, these things weren't unique to Eve, you just experienced them through Eve. Take it from someone that's been playing and has played many MMOs over the past 12 years. Perhaps, but I wouldn't bring up WoW in the Eve forums if I were you. Eve players kind of look at WoW like it's the breeding ground of idiots. Case in point: http://themittani.com/features/alod-go-back-wow Quote: I stayed away from Eve for the reasons Ive been lambasting it. Arbitrary bullshit like punishing me for them changing things around. This isn't even remotely standard for MMOs. Most if not all devs have the sense to reimburse their player base with a respec except CCP. I play Dust because it was free. I don't believe in the whole early access pre order and I never pay for a game unless I am happy with its development. This game was never a finished product in my eyes and likewise I wipe my brow that I stuck to my guns and didn't believe them. Its the same reason I stay away from kickstarter ** too. If they will make something good they need to do it up front, sadly too many companies and individuals including CCP take it for granted and cut and run after taking essentially cloud funding. It's not illegal but I don't think it should be supported. Just like its not illegal to scam people in Eve, still doesn't mean I'm going to walk into a scam. Then that's your opinion and your choice. You and I just have to agree to disagree. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16135	Posted - 2014.08.06 22:39:00 - [171] - Quote Kyr Kitar wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Because when you speak on the forums with the CPM tag you are first and foremost a council member. This is not true. Plenty of posts CPM members have made in the past have nothing to do with the CPM. If my corp declares war on another, and I announce it on the forums, am I speaking as a CPM member? Or am I speaking as a member of my corp? Thumb Green wrote: And I never said they couldn't have their own opinions; just that they shouldn't be posting them with the CPM tag. We literally can only post with the CPM tag. It's not a checkbox. So either we're allowed to have personal opinions or we're not. I don't think they really want CPM members doing alt posting, especially since alt posting is technically a bannable offense in some areas of the forums. Thumb Green wrote: Excuse me for trying to take the CPM role seriously (foolish me, I know). We can't judge them based on when they are addressing CCP because most of that is shrouded in a NDA so we rarely get to witness what they actually advocate to CCP. So it's best that whenever they speak with the CPM tag that what they say reflects what that tag represents. Just as it would in the real world. As a trivia answer: In terms of respec, the big question for me, is whether or not support for it reaches a certain threshold. The last respec offered was done because the respec feedback thread went into like... triple digit pages. There's always demands for respecs like.... every single patch. People should not get respecs every single patch. So the question is when there's an exceptional demand for respecs. So, such, I am watching the thread. Uhm, I don't know you. I know you recently got elected in this whole CPM thing. I have never seen, or at least don't remeber, any previous posts of you. To me, you are part of this CPM Board. Whatever you post seems to have more merit or more importance and definitely more weight PURELY because of the CPM tag. From the moment you got that tag you received authority and responsibility. Everything you say comes with the CPM tag included. You should realise you can't post in the same way like you used to. I don't know what type of job or position you have IRL but it's the same thing. You can't be a leader of a group or have more responsibility and act the exact same as those below you. This causes some sort of friction or annoyance somewhere and in the end only hurts you and your position. Basic leadership knowledge really... http://dustsearch.com/search/author/Soraya_Xel/page/100 not a prolific than my posting but significant enough. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
Kyr Kitar Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 32	Posted - 2014.08.06 23:40:00 - [172] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: http://dustsearch.com/search/author/Soraya_Xel/page/100 not a prolific than my posting but significant enough. I believe you misunderstood. I might have worded it wrong. I did not mean that this person has said nothing wise or of importance just because I did not see it, I meant I am fairly new to these forums so all I know is that this CPM tag fits to that name. This goes for any new member, they only see the CPM tag, regardless of the posting history of the person with the tag. And if I see that tag I expect a certain level of professionalism and would be confused if a person with a CPM tag started slinging dung and badmouthing other players just because their corps might not like each other. If the person with the tag occasionally did that before the tag was in place that shouldn't matter. But once the tag is there, you are a representative and personal feelings and posts should be carefully considered or possibly avoided altogether.
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 93	Posted - 2014.08.06 23:44:00 - [173] - Quote Ugh, this is about a weapon skill tree skill point refund (happy?) not the roll of the CPM, can you take that to another thread. The rest of us are actually getting their attention for a game related issue.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 319	Posted - 2014.08.07 01:37:00 - [174] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I have never heard of Voyage Century so I can't say anything about that. You misunderstood me. Not that kind of model. I'm talking about full-blown player-run economy. CCP does have a PLEX system in place that allows Eve players to extend their subscriptions with ISK while allowing players to sell PLEX for ISK, but that's only part of what I'm talking about. The economic model I'm mainly referring to is the secondary market which also has an extremely complex and vast industry system where players harvest resources, use resources to manufacture goods, and then sell those goods to other players which eventually get destroyed in pvp confrontations. It has its own cycle. I don't know how it is in WoW because I never played the game, but Eve Online did get the award for best mmo economy of 2012 and that's just two years ago which is still somewhat recent when you look at Eve's age. I have heard that WoW has its own auction house and craft system, but I'm also told that WoW separates the servers from each other so any wealth you have in one server won't translate well in other servers. Eve Online on the other hand has everything in one server and so any impact on one region economically will effect other regions both directly and indirectly. I know this about Eve because I'm an experienced marketeer and I have skills in industry. Voyage Century is just a Naval MMO set in the 17th Century. It has the time old trading between ports thing to earn coin and what not along with all the dungeon delving and high seas combat shtick. It has a hybrid of land and sea battles along with interesting mechanics like boarding actions on enemy ships. It also has a Infamy/Fame system where basically pirates and soldiers and everyone in between can kill each other on the open seas. It also has the whole if you want a better ship you have to find someone that can make said materials thing going on and dungeon delving and what not along with classes. You can customize your ships with cannons and ballistae and what not. It's okay like I said. As to the Economic thing, there are a lot of mmos that have it to where only the best gear is player crafted. I know Mabinogi is like that and it would take about 2 years of playing for about 10 hours a day 7 days a week to become a master blacksmith or master tailor etc. A lot of games have global markets as well. Eve is certainly famous for the fact that Stock brokers and likewise forbes have a boner for the market system but in todays age the Space mmo is more unique then anything else. This is why I say that the Space mmo aspect is what it has going for it. Because plenty of other games including some with mega servers have copied a lot of the same market and open pvp concepts. Hell even Runescape now and has for like 6 years now had a "Grand Exchange" that links all items and tracks their pricing trends while players can list their prices etc. and of course its had since 2001 the whole Wild thing where players can kill each other at will.
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 94	Posted - 2014.08.07 13:06:00 - [175] - Quote Okay, back on the actual subject: I still want a skill point refund on the light weapon and sidearms skill trees, because they're all sorts of screwed up. If we're getting a pistol rework in delta, I definitely want it in that patch if not in charlie.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2528	Posted - 2014.08.07 13:17:00 - [176] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: I still want a skill point refund on the light weapon and sidearms skill trees, because they're all sorts of screwed up. If we're getting a pistol rework in delta, I definitely want it in that patch if not in charlie. I think this is the bare minimum acceptable SP refund. Delta is slated to have some sidearm balancing. Hopefully the entire Weaponry tree will receive a refund. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 95	Posted - 2014.08.07 13:24:00 - [177] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Topher Mellen wrote: I still want a skill point refund on the light weapon and sidearms skill trees, because they're all sorts of screwed up. If we're getting a pistol rework in delta, I definitely want it in that patch if not in charlie. I think this is the bare minimum acceptable SP refund. Delta is slated to have some sidearm balancing. Hopefully the entire Weaponry tree will receive a refund. I disagree with you on that Ripley. I only want a refund for the rifles and pistols because they have reached racial parity and have not as of yet been refunded. I don't think we need a remote explosive or a grenade skill point refund, in the same way we don't need a heavy weapons refund.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2528	Posted - 2014.08.07 13:27:00 - [178] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: I disagree with you on that Ripley. I only want a refund for the rifles and pistols because they have reached racial parity and have not as of yet been refunded. I don't think we need a remote explosive or a grenade skill point refund, in the same way we don't need a heavy weapons refund. Fair points. And I don't believe we have reached racial parity with light weapons or sidearms. We still lack three racial melee weapons, the other sniper rifles, etc. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 95	Posted - 2014.08.07 13:30:00 - [179] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Topher Mellen wrote: I disagree with you on that Ripley. I only want a refund for the rifles and pistols because they have reached racial parity and have not as of yet been refunded. I don't think we need a remote explosive or a grenade skill point refund, in the same way we don't need a heavy weapons refund. Fair points. And I don't believe we have reached racial parity with light weapons or sidearms. We still lack three racial melee weapons, the other sniper rifles, etc. We have reached racial parity on the rifles (assault rifle, scrambler rifle, combat rifle, rail rifle) and the pistols (ion pistol, scrambler pistol, flaylock pistol, bolt pistol) though. Those skill points should be refunded and then allow players who want to play with rifles/pistols to make their final selection.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 262	Posted - 2014.08.07 14:52:00 - [180] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Dear CPM1, Hotfix Charlie is shaping up to make assaults not suck quite so badly, scouts are being tweaked, and word has it logi/sentinels are on the agenda for Delta. Dozens of minor and major changes are taking place all over Dust 514. **, I mean, we are about to have nova knives capable of destroying HAV's for chrissakes. Don't you think it is about time we sent a message to CCP that we need a respec? You are our advocates. You have CCP's ear. I'm asking politely and I'm open to hear your arguments against it... though I have heard many MANY arguments against it and none of them have convinced me yet. Sincerely, Ripley P.S. Judge Rhadamanthus, please sign my titty. you mean logi/commando for delta as charlie is sents/assaults/scouts.. as for nova knives destroying vehicles yes thats a possability but only 50% of the damage potential.. ie 1400 dmg on minja fully charged would be 700 on a vehicle. > LogiBro in Training**

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 264	Posted - 2014.08.07 14:53:00 - [181] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Eh, I'm all for a Respec. Does it even matter anymore? The game is dying, SP WON'T transfer to Legion. People are getting bored, let them start over. Personally, I don't need a respec I made three characters before this one to know where to put my points. Only thing I would do with a respec would be to spec out of the RR. If I could post an ASCII art of captain picard facepalming I would. But I can't so I wont. 1 It matters still 2 Game is not dying its been doing the opposite lately. 3 SP will likely transfer to Legion. 4 The option to start over is always available its called a new character. 5 Don't speak on behalf of things you don't need with such authoritative manner. 6. Don't make authoritative positional claims with such tactful lack to that authority 6 Then don't make a statement of needing such thing. #3 SP AND assets will transfer to legion just not isk iirc. > LogiBro in Training
danie braz Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 58	Posted - 2014.08.07 15:37:00 - [182] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: danie braz wrote: If anything I would propose paid respecs. Much rather do that than buy those boosters. Even thought now i have 80k aur I need to burn. Congratulations on being rich. Too bad I don't care at all. Paid respecs are simply a way to squeeze money out of a free game. There shouldn't be any respecs what-so-ever save for when major changes to the game happen. (Despite what the new monetization director says) People have the option to do whatever with their money. Its one way to give people an option for a respec. Options are good. God bless America bro. Fluoride uranium carbon potassium bismuth technetium helium sulfur germanium thulium Molybdenum neon yttrium
danie braz Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 58	Posted - 2014.08.07 15:40:00 - [183] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: danie braz wrote: If anything I would propose paid respecs. Much rather do that than buy those boosters. Even thought now i have 80k aur I need to burn. Paid respecs would be fine so long as we create a cooldown between respecs. Someone should not be allowed to respec every 60 - 90 days, but 180+ sounds more fair. Hell, even inact an "SP tax": you pay for a respec but suffer a 10% total SP loss. They mentioned the sp penalty for Legion. You return a skill you get the SP back over a period of time with a possible penalty. Fluoride uranium carbon potassium bismuth technetium helium sulfur germanium thulium Molybdenum neon yttrium
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2534	Posted - 2014.08.07 15:45:00 - [184] - Quote danie braz wrote: They mentioned the sp penalty for Legion. You return a skill you get the SP back over a period of time with a possible penalty. A CCP dev has said that? Do you have a link? He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 96	Posted - 2014.08.07 20:27:00 - [185] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: danie braz wrote: They mentioned the sp penalty for Legion. You return a skill you get the SP back over a period of time with a possible penalty. A CCP dev has said that? Do you have a link? If that is really how paid respecs will work in the end I would be all for it. It's being able to spend $100 and switching classes/roles every other day that I have a problem with.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14663	Posted - 2014.08.07 20:51:00 - [186] - Quote LMAO at people defending no respecs as if DUST is a relevant game in the gaming industry Ten Year Plan -
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Top Men. 2462	Posted - 2014.08.07 20:54:00 - [187] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: LMAO at people defending no respecs as if DUST is a relevant game in the gaming industry Didn't you make a video saying you were going to leave dust. Begone ye pretender *Put these items in legion as they will add diversity to vehicles as they did before!*
iliel 0uter.Heaven 84	Posted - 2014.08.07 21:03:00 - [188] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: danie braz wrote: They mentioned the sp penalty for Legion. You return a skill you get the SP back over a period of time with a possible penalty. A CCP dev has said that? Do you have a link? If that is really how paid respecs will work in the end I would be all for it. It's being able to spend $100 and switching classes/roles every other day that I have a problem with. Not going to have to pay. Here's the link: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2158808#post2158808
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 96	Posted - 2014.08.07 21:12:00 - [189] - Quote iliel wrote: Not going to have to pay. Here's the link: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2158808#post2158808 All I see is this: Quote: We will offer a Respec Option (which does not exist in DUST 514). More information will come down the line as the projectGÇÖs development progresses.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14663	Posted - 2014.08.07 21:16:00 - [190] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: LMAO at people defending no respecs as if DUST is a relevant game in the gaming industry Didn't you make a video saying you were going to leave dust. Begone ye pretender The game is uninstalled, I'm just here to aggravate you and amuse myself. Ten Year Plan -

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8984	Posted - 2014.08.07 23:51:00 - [191] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: /Snip/ Valid points indeed. Although the population of an MMO or FPS is something I never cared for to be honest. I grew up with the understanding that just because a game is popular it doesn't mean I should play it. I usually aim for the games that are not well known. Games that are judged by their own merits rather than how hyped up they are (though the hype with Dust was poorly timed) are what I go for. I now play games like Shantae by Wayforward*, and others. I guess that's just how I am. That's why you'll never see me play games like WoW or CoD other games like them. Popularity seems to have a negative impact on the product over time. It's like watching Justin Bieber become a famous singer only to see his behavior go for the worst and his songs becoming more and more bland while another singer who's not even real is gaining ground because of how she is. It's like watching that scene from Amadeus. Oh I'm sorry. I strayed off topic for a moment. But anyways I think you get my point. Although I do like to see what I like get famous, but there is always that hint of fear of what that popularity will do to what you like. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
iliel 0uter.Heaven 85	Posted - 2014.08.07 23:54:00 - [192] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: iliel wrote: Not going to have to pay. Here's the link: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2158808#post2158808 All I see is this: Quote: We will offer a Respec Option (which does not exist in DUST 514). More information will come down the line as the projectGÇÖs development progresses. Pretty sure that is it. I do remember someone saying that they like the idea of respecs costing a fraction of SP (so that you lose some if you choose to do one) but I don't know where that is. Perhaps later in that thread?
Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 400	Posted - 2014.08.07 23:55:00 - [193] - Quote Everyone is forgetting that if legion does become more than a prototype, they may change the entire skill tree anyway so they would have to give a respec regardless becuase the skills may not even exist in the same form.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8984	Posted - 2014.08.08 00:13:00 - [194] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Everyone is forgetting that if legion does become more than a prototype, they may change the entire skill tree anyway so they would have to give a respec regardless becuase the skills may not even exist in the same form. Assuming we get our SP transferred over without a problem. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8984	Posted - 2014.08.08 00:17:00 - [195] - Quote iliel wrote: Topher Mellen wrote: iliel wrote: Not going to have to pay. Here's the link: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2158808#post2158808 All I see is this: Quote: We will offer a Respec Option (which does not exist in DUST 514). More information will come down the line as the projectGÇÖs development progresses. Pretty sure that is it. I do remember someone saying that they like the idea of respecs costing a fraction of SP (so that you lose some if you choose to do one) but I don't know where that is. Perhaps later in that thread? If you look at the very last post of that thread by CCP Z you will see that he mentioned about changes to the progression system after looking over the feedback. So I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you when it comes to expecting any built-in respec system. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 456	Posted - 2014.08.08 03:24:00 - [196] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Topher Mellen wrote: I still want a skill point refund on the light weapon and sidearms skill trees, because they're all sorts of screwed up. If we're getting a pistol rework in delta, I definitely want it in that patch if not in charlie. I think this is the bare minimum acceptable SP refund. Delta is slated to have some sidearm balancing. Hopefully the entire Weaponry tree will receive a refund. I disagree with you on that Ripley. I only want a refund for the rifles and pistols because they have reached racial parity and have not as of yet been refunded. I don't think we need a remote explosive or a grenade skill point refund, in the same way we don't need a heavy weapons refund. Incorrect. A scout that was a heavy has a literal NO need for sp in those guns. Full respec. People saying that they made the right choice: Whoopdy flipping do. Sadly, not all of us are as perfect as you. Sadly, I didn't have any friends to teach me, sadly...well enough of being sad. This not a matter of wanting to "Try" something new. Those of us wanting a respec KNOW what we want, but our SP is locked in things that we regret. I use my Assault Rifle proficiency 4 now out of pity, I feel mad that I have a weapon with that much SP into it, and it's just sitting there. A Full respec is needed. Once again, why would a person gone logi need cardiac regulators? Dust is about choice. Stop bringing EVE into this discussion, it holds no merit. It literally is the same thing as someone saying Dice did something into Battlefield, so they are doing it in Star Wars: Battlefront? Totally two separate games. The FOTM chasers already have SP saved up, sorry to make your fears come to light. The ones who haven't saved are those who, like me, actually need every point we can get to continue to be competitive. I don't want my Rail Rifle, Assault, Scrambler, Forge, Ion Pistol, Magsec, Bolt Pistol, Sniper Rifle, etc. I Know what I'd like. This living by your choices when I didn't even know what choices to make is literally like yelling at a baby for chewing on a toy when they don't know any better. Hell, I didn't even know of the forums until last September. Wanna know why?? No tutorial. No teacher. RESPEC after Hotfx Delta when everything is sorted out I miss the old GAM crew :( RESPEC PLEASE After Delta CEO of GODS AMONG MEN Clone Wars forever #Starwars: Battlefront


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