What about when they rework the layout of suits? Is that something we were supposed to know was coming with our crystal balls? How is it selfish to be annoyed by them editing values altering the viability that you bought into?

And I never said they couldn't have their own opinions; just that they shouldn't be posting them with the CPM tag. The only way we can determine if they are representing us is by what they say to us.

Now explain where this whole Eve not getting respecs because CCP is against it thing makes players selfish for wanting a redo when **** gets changed and CCP arbitrarily wastes their time. I get it, CCP is a douchey company didn't take long after seeing what happened to dust over time to know that. Explain though why this somehow makes it okay if Eve gets shafted the same way?

Key word would be arbitrary here. This is a game, why do people pride the New Eden community on being ****** exactly? Explain why this is an accomplishment? Its a virtual world that doesn't mean anything. Just because people give their lives away to Eve will never change the fact that it is still just a game.

As to your first point:

If we want to take the game specific complaint route. Protostomping is selfish, why don't we discourage that too?

2nd point:

The world as a whole doesn't care about what adversity you underwent in your fictional world. But, objectively from a game design perspective, this isn't a popular concept, hence as I point out the fact that Eve has always been irrelevant to the gaming world except for nerds to watch the super nerds chimp out in their space mmo and laugh at them for being so delusional and putting so much effort into nothing. People aren't wowed that one guy will rip off a corporation for what others would pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for. They are wowed that Eve players would value it at hundreds of thousands of dollars. Punishing players for playing your game by changing the rules arbitrarily doesn't make it a good game. That makes it the opposite of a good game. Eve like I said, has survived by simply being a space MMO in a market where space MMOs don't exist. This is changing though as people have gotten sick of the cookie cutter fantasy MMO games and more exploration of mechanics and themes are coming with better technology. Hence why CCP is finally scrambling after a decade of milking Eve to branch out.

3rd point:

This is literally said by everyone who has ever played a mmo and is not a unique experience that only Eve brings. You just experienced it through Eve.

As to the second point:
I hadn't heard of Earth and Beyond I'll have to look it up but if I had to guess EA was probably being ****. Because although I am ragging on CCP EA by far takes the shittiest business practices for a game company to have award and has been blowing competitors out of the water since the sims 1. So it won't suprise me if EA failed at that. Though I do agree the do whatever concept is a huge appeal they aren't the only game doing this and they weren't back then either. They aren't the only ones who have done this although they are for a space mmo. There's been a lot of MMO's out there and i'd say for one, Voyage Century was like that as well except it was a piracy naval game as opposed to space.

I don't know what you mean by their economic model, but if its related to microtransactions started in the late 90s. If its subscription likewise, and hybrids likewise. If you could let me know what is special about Eves economic model though I'm all ears.

Also as to it being a topic of social science and economics, so is WoW and most MMOs. again it comes back to my third point, these things weren't unique to Eve, you just experienced them through Eve. Take it from someone that's been playing and has played many MMOs over the past 12 years.

I stayed away from Eve for the reasons Ive been lambasting it. Arbitrary bullshit like punishing me for them changing things around. This isn't even remotely standard for MMOs. Most if not all devs have the sense to reimburse their player base with a respec except CCP. I play Dust because it was free. I don't believe in the whole early access pre order **** and I never pay for a game unless I am happy with its development. This game was never a finished product in my eyes and likewise I wipe my brow that I stuck to my guns and didn't believe them. Its the same reason I stay away from kickstarter **** too. If they will make something good they need to do it up front, sadly too many companies and individuals including CCP take it for granted and cut and run after taking essentially cloud funding. It's not illegal but I don't think it should be supported. Just like its not illegal to scam people in Eve, still doesn't mean I'm going to walk into a scam.

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Everyone is forgetting that if legion does become more than a prototype, they may change the entire skill tree anyway so they would have to give a respec regardless becuase the skills may not even exist in the same form.

Pretty sure that is it. I do remember someone saying that they like the idea of respecs costing a fraction of SP (so that you lose some if you choose to do one) but I don't know where that is. Perhaps later in that thread?