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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2014.08.04 16:33:00 -
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Dear CPM1,
Hotfix Charlie is shaping up to make assaults not suck quite so badly, scouts are being tweaked, and word has it logi/sentinels are on the agenda for Delta. Dozens of minor and major changes are taking place all over Dust 514. ****, I mean, we are about to have nova knives capable of destroying HAV's for chrissakes. Don't you think it is about time we sent a message to CCP that we need a respec? You are our advocates. You have CCP's ear.
I'm asking politely and I'm open to hear your arguments against it... though I have heard many MANY arguments against it and none of them have convinced me yet.
Sincerely, Ripley
P.S. Judge Rhadamanthus, please sign my titty.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1750
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Posted - 2014.08.04 16:37:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Dear CPM1,
Hotfix Charlie is shaping up to make assaults not suck quite so badly, scouts are being tweaked, and word has it logi/sentinels are on the agenda for Delta. Dozens of minor and major changes are taking place all over Dust 514. ****, I mean, we are about to have nova knives capable of destroying HAV's for chrissakes. Don't you think it is about time we sent a message to CCP that we need a respec? You are our advocates. You have CCP's ear.
I'm asking politely and I'm open to hear your arguments against it... though I have heard many MANY arguments against it and none of them have convinced me yet.
Sincerely, Ripley
P.S. Judge Rhadamanthus, please sign my titty.
mostly because even after the heavy nerf goes live I don't want to have to re-distribute all those points? I'm happy with my choices and don't want to have to go redo everything.
Now if CCP offers an opt-out of respec, I care a lot less. but I don't want to spend an hour trying to remember what I had where. |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kyoudai Furinkazan
1007
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Posted - 2014.08.04 16:38:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Dear CPM1,
Hotfix Charlie is shaping up to make assaults not suck quite so badly, scouts are being tweaked, and word has it logi/sentinels are on the agenda for Delta. Dozens of minor and major changes are taking place all over Dust 514. ****, I mean, we are about to have nova knives capable of destroying HAV's for chrissakes. Don't you think it is about time we sent a message to CCP that we need a respec? You are our advocates. You have CCP's ear.
I'm asking politely and I'm open to hear your arguments against it... though I have heard many MANY arguments against it and none of them have convinced me yet.
Sincerely, Ripley
P.S. Judge Rhadamanthus, please sign my titty. IWS said , wait until after Delta and then see and there is no room for Judge to sign your ***** , I guess you didn't see that long line outside waiting to do the same , he won't have any room .
You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kyoudai Furinkazan
1007
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Posted - 2014.08.04 16:48:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:
mostly because even after the heavy nerf goes live I don't want to have to re-distribute all those points? I'm happy with my choices and don't want to have to go redo everything.
Now if CCP offers an opt-out of respec, I care a lot less. but I don't want to spend an hour trying to remember what I had where.
Are you kidding me ???
You would rather kill the fun of most in the community and those who have been waiting for this for some time , something that is needed to spice up this game and make it exciting again and you don't want the " trouble " of redistributing your SP's again ?
I've herd this before from others and I just can't understand it .
The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few .
Write that $h!t down and get ready because those who would like one will not give up and we will make it happen once and for all , then after that you can crush all memories of a refund because we won't need one .
You people can come up with computations and massive spreadsheets to prove your points , only to not see that point added in-game but you would stifle this game for the bulk of the community , you know ... those under 30 million SP's , just because you don't want to redistribute your skill points .
Nothing says " selfish and self-centered " more , all of those in the community .. see this and ramp up your efforts after Delta and we will become victorious !!!!!
Then we will see the table's turn and knock some of these privy people off of their pedestal .
You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2410
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Posted - 2014.08.04 16:52:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Mostly because even after the heavy nerf goes live I don't want to have to re-distribute all those points? I'm happy with my choices and don't want to have to go redo everything.
Now if CCP offers an opt-out of respec, I care a lot less. but I don't want to spend an hour trying to remember what I had where.
I've heard this complaint before, and it has some merit to it. It wouldn't take you longer than 15 minutes to redistribute your SP if you were given a respec, but I get it, your time is valuable. You answered your own question with this one: have the respec be voluntary. You must submit a support ticket to request one. This would keep CCP from having to run the respec script on people who haven't been online in months anyway.
Saves you time. Saves CCP time. It's a good idea.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Yankie Doodle
WRONG-TURN
4
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Posted - 2014.08.04 17:30:00 -
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"NO MORE RESPECS" EVA!!!!!
They are NOT needed....... if u have 50,000,000+ sp.
I have 4 proto suits. 5 proto guns. Maxed core skills.
All set for any nerf/buff.
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Zindorak
1.U.P
244
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Posted - 2014.08.04 17:37:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Dear CPM1,
Hotfix Charlie is shaping up to make assaults not suck quite so badly, scouts are being tweaked, and word has it logi/sentinels are on the agenda for Delta. Dozens of minor and major changes are taking place all over Dust 514. ****, I mean, we are about to have nova knives capable of destroying HAV's for chrissakes. Don't you think it is about time we sent a message to CCP that we need a respec? You are our advocates. You have CCP's ear.
I'm asking politely and I'm open to hear your arguments against it... though I have heard many MANY arguments against it and none of them have convinced me yet.
Sincerely, Ripley
P.S. Judge Rhadamanthus, please sign my titty. Wut
Master of the Scrambler Pistol. Carthum Assault ScP <3
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
3834
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Posted - 2014.08.04 17:50:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Dear CPM1,
Hotfix Charlie is shaping up to make assaults not suck quite so badly, scouts are being tweaked, and word has it logi/sentinels are on the agenda for Delta. Dozens of minor and major changes are taking place all over Dust 514. ****, I mean, we are about to have nova knives capable of destroying HAV's for chrissakes. Don't you think it is about time we sent a message to CCP that we need a respec? You are our advocates. You have CCP's ear.
I'm asking politely and I'm open to hear your arguments against it... though I have heard many MANY arguments against it and none of them have convinced me yet.
Sincerely, Ripley
P.S. Judge Rhadamanthus, please sign my titty. You filthy swine!
New shield module!
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ThePlayerkyle13
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
125
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Posted - 2014.08.04 17:55:00 -
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Yankie Doodle wrote:"NO MORE RESPECS" EVA!!!!!
They are NOT needed....... if u have 50,000,000+ sp.
I have 4 proto suits. 5 proto guns. Maxed core skills.
All set for any nerf/buff.
It's not about you tho, it about the community.
I've heard plenty of similar complaints and excuses, majority of them are just ones self-esteem and not thinking about others in the community.
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Dreis Shadowweaver
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.08.04 18:06:00 -
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I'm in favour of a respec. Take for instance, the Caldari scout; many people speced into it solely for it's precision bonus, but in charlie, the the precision bonus is copy-pasted to the Amarr scout, therefore meaning that all the grind these players did was pointless, as they are left with a suit with bonuses that they don't want. It's not their fault. They deserve a respec if their suits are changing to something that they never wanted, right? Not all of us have 30 million sp to blow.
Note: I just used the Calscout as an example, there are other suits that also deserve a respec. Almost all of us are affected by the changes, so we deserve a respec.
Well, I once meleed an R.E.. That's all you need to know about me...
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2415
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Posted - 2014.08.04 18:17:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:Wut wut in the butt butt
Please keep this thread constructive.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2415
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Posted - 2014.08.04 18:17:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:You filthy swine! At least pull my hair if you are going to call me names.
Please keep this thread constructive and on-target. I am attempting to invoke a reasonable discussion surrounding respecs vs. the community vs. CPM1.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2415
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Posted - 2014.08.04 18:19:00 -
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Yankie Doodle wrote:They are NOT needed....... if u have 50,000,000+ sp.
So for you a respecs is a non-issue. Like I posted earlier, the optimal way to issue a respec would be voluntarily. You must open a support ticket to "opt in" to the respec. If you are happy with your skills then no need to open a ticket.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Apocalyptic Destroyer
RestlessSpirits
52
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Posted - 2014.08.04 18:20:00 -
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Seriously ? Y'all want respecs after every Hotfix.
~R1P
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2415
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Posted - 2014.08.04 18:26:00 -
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Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote:Seriously? Y'all want respecs after every Hotfix.
I don't want one after every hotfix. I just want a respec after CCP Rattati has finished his dropsuit overhaul. You have to admit that he has effected some very tangible buff/nerfs to certain dropsuits. I'm not debating if those changes are good or bad; that's a topic for another thread. I'm saying that the changes he has made have altered how players use certain dropsuits. This, in other MMO's, typically warrants a respec of some kind.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kyoudai Furinkazan
1009
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Posted - 2014.08.04 19:08:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote:Seriously? Y'all want respecs after every Hotfix. I don't want one after every hotfix. I just want a respec after CCP Rattati has finished his dropsuit overhaul. You have to admit that he has effected some very tangible buff/nerfs to certain dropsuits. I'm not debating if those changes are good or bad; that's a topic for another thread. I'm saying that the changes he has made have altered how players use certain dropsuits. This, in other MMO's, typically warrants a respec of some kind. You know I prob wouldn't want one if we had a full infantry on at 1.8 but that didn't happen , just drop suits and that's another thing that I don't get for those who are just asking for drop suits ... we already did that , that's like vehicles having another refund after the large turret , damage mod and repairer changes .
It's not about after changes but the fact that once major overhaul's are done that totally change what and why a person picked a certain role for instance is done , something should be done to help smooth the transition .
Changing tactic's and performance is needed .
This game is just in need of better bonuses , bonuses that doesn't exclude any race in all roles .
Every suit should have something to give as far as performance values .
You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
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Beastlina
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2014.08.04 19:10:00 -
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So far I've only seen that peeps with a high amount of sp don't want respecs while people with around 10m-25m do. There is not really a reason to disagree with a respec other than you don't want other players to spec into something that might give you trouble or annoy you. It's lazy and selfish.
I started this game over a year ago and went into min logi as my sniping suit, then into caldari logi suit for it's 5 high slots for damage mods, and now i find caldari commando is made for sniping so i have wasted sp in 2 full proto suits which blows because i don't logi at all so they are literally a 100% waste of sp. You can say "too bad, you messed up so earn some more sp" but really what is it to you? I was a noob back then and to be honest i didn't do my research. It is my fault but i have also been absent when earlier respecs were given that YOU vets have received. I am still waiting for a sincere non lazy excuse as to why respecs should be given other than "you don't need one because i don't need one". |
Onesimus Tarsus
I-am-a-Corporation
2418
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Posted - 2014.08.04 19:12:00 -
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Big red button in the MQ that respecs your character on demand every time.
Because it just doesn't matter, and no one should care what anyone else does with their SP, ever.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r).
Beh!
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2421
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Posted - 2014.08.04 19:28:00 -
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Beastlina wrote:So far I've only seen that peeps with a high amount of sp don't want respecs while people with around 10m-25m do. There is not really a reason to disagree with a respec other than you don't want other players to spec into something that might give you trouble or annoy you. It's lazy and selfish.
"You don't need one because I don't need one".
This is the most often repeated anti-respec talking point. It's pretty selfish honestly, but that's New Eden for you. Veterans are not going to do new players any favors. We cannot appeal to them, but we can appeal to CPM1 since they were elected to be our advocates.
I sincerely hope I will see at least two of the CPM1 elect in this thread weighing in. I want to know their opinions on the subject and if they are representing our interests.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Vapor Forseti
Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance
831
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Posted - 2014.08.04 19:30:00 -
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Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote:Seriously ? Y'all want respecs after every Hotfix. It's been over a year since we got a full respec. There should be an annual respec for those who want one IMO.
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS Top Men.
2451
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Posted - 2014.08.04 19:34:00 -
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Respecs require some work client side, Which is not going to happen because legion ruined more peoples trust then just their players but also sony. Now that thats on CCPs record I doubt anybody else will support them after lying to sony. Dust may not ever get a client side fix (Respec) ever again.
Put these items in legion as they will add diversity to vehicles as they did before!
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2421
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Posted - 2014.08.04 19:36:00 -
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Soulja Ghostface wrote:Respecs require some work client side, Which is not going to happen because legion ruined more peoples trust then just their players but also sony. Now that thats on CCPs record I doubt anybody else will support them after lying to sony. Dust may not ever get a client side fix (Respec) ever again.
I'm fairly certain that SP accrual is stored server side. Letting that kind of data be stored client side could allow players to modify it... and we both know how that would turn out.
CCP would have to run a script one each player's account that requested a respec. This script would unallocate all of their SP server side. Upon their next login they would synchronize with the server and bingo: 100% unallocated SP.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
2988
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Posted - 2014.08.04 19:40:00 -
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I have publicly stated in the past, more than once, that I think respecs are horrible horrible things that should never ever happen ever ever. Skill points are always increasing, and it's easy to get new roles as your skill points expand. Respecs, in my opinion, just encourage Fit-Of-The-Month speccing. And contrary to popular belief, it will not kill you to use a standard or advanced suit for a while.
That being said, if you want one, you guys need to make a centralized and clear demand for it, not a spamfest that just gets removed, locked, or banned. Feedback/Requests would be the best place for such a thing.
The big thing is that respecs are very hard to do optionally, and are generally coupled with major releases. (My personal guess: If skill points transfer to Legion, you'll get to spend them again, for instance.) A lot of people actually find respecs very irritating, because they have to reset everything so they can play again. Optional respecs are very time consuming because they have to be done through the ticket system.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2421
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Posted - 2014.08.04 19:52:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:I have publicly stated in the past, more than once, that I think respecs are horrible horrible things that should never ever happen ever ever. Skill points are always increasing, and it's easy to get new roles as your skill points expand. Respecs, in my opinion, just encourage Fit-Of-The-Month speccing. And contrary to popular belief, it will not kill you to use a standard or advanced suit for a while.
That being said, if you want one, you guys need to make a centralized and clear demand for it, not a spamfest that just gets removed, locked, or banned. Feedback/Requests would be the best place for such a thing.
The big thing is that respecs are very hard to do optionally, and are generally coupled with major releases. (My personal guess: If skill points transfer to Legion, you'll get to spend them again, for instance.) A lot of people actually find respecs very irritating, because they have to reset everything so they can play again. Optional respecs are very time consuming because they have to be done through the ticket system.
Thank you Soraya. The FotM argument doesn't particularly move me since the players most interested in FoTM fits usually bank 1m+ SP before every major drop anyway. Repec or not, their goal is achieved... but I digress.
How are we not presenting a centralized demand for this in General Discussion? Around hotfix time dozens of players post threads, the same few people (usually veterans with 40+mil SP) oppose them, while newer players request respecs. CCP ignores these requests and most CPM seem to clam up. The most I have EVER heard in recent history about respecs from a CPM was IWS saying to ask again around Delta.
Plus, you and I both know that Feedback and Ideas does not have the traffic that General Discussion does.
You are probably right, by the way, when/if Legion launches we will get an SP refund of some form... but that's potentially years away. We MIGHT have an alpha in 2015, but that's being conservative. We the players have quite a while left in Dust 514 and I want to spend that time with our SP invested wisely.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1754
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Posted - 2014.08.04 20:19:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Are you kidding me ???
You would rather kill the fun of most in the community and those who have been waiting for this for some time , something that is needed to spice up this game and make it exciting again and you don't want the " trouble " of redistributing your SP's again ?
I've herd this before from others and I just can't understand it .
The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few .
Write that $h!t down and get ready because those who would like one will not give up and we will make it happen once and for all , then after that you can crush all memories of a refund because we won't need one .
You people can come up with computations and massive spreadsheets to prove your points , only to not see that point added in-game but you would stifle this game for the bulk of the community , you know ... those under 30 million SP's , just because you don't want to redistribute your skill points .
Nothing says " selfish and self-centered " more , all of those in the community .. see this and ramp up your efforts after Delta and we will become victorious !!!!!
Then we will see the table's turn and knock some of these privy people off of their pedestal .
That's right sweet baby, squeeze those tears out for the vials... yessss, thank you. My quota for Goonwaffe has been met for the month. |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
2992
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Posted - 2014.08.04 20:39:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Plus, you and I both know that Feedback and Ideas does not have the traffic that General Discussion does.
Sure, but in General Discussion, Logibro will o_o at you and lock your thread because it doesn't belong there.
Quote:We the players have quite a while left in Dust 514 and I want to spend that time with our SP invested wisely.
My personal opinion is that you already invested it. Whether you invested it well or badly, you're kinda past that point once you've spent it.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2422
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Posted - 2014.08.04 20:46:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Sure, but in General Discussion, Logibro will o_o at you and lock your thread because it doesn't belong there.
... true.
Soraya Xel wrote:My personal opinion is that you already invested it. Whether you invested it well or badly, you're kinda past that point once you've spent it.
Some of the skills we invested in are changing... some skills are changing more than others, but the point still stands. We invested in skills expecting them to do X, then CCP made them do Y and now CCP is asking us to live with the "choice" of picking Y... we didn't invest in Y, we invested in X damn it.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Eruditus 920
Prodigy Ops
303
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Posted - 2014.08.04 20:48:00 -
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I have posted my opinion on this subject before and I guess I will again here:
Though CCP will never come out and state this, they will not give a SP refund because it would discourage Aurum/Booster sales.
I understand the game is dying, no need to point out the obvious for the 1000th time.
The majority are taking the view on this issue from a personal perspective. Understandable but short sighted.
CCP is providing you a free form of entertainment. However, they require revenue streams to offset expenses.
Gamers are still buying Aurum.
If as a result of a hotfix someone wants to skill into something new, well, that's good for business from CCP's POV and rightfully so.
If a respec is given, fewer impatients will want to buy Aurum/Boosters to get SP. They will now have all the SP they need for what they want. No need for SP boosters.
It is that simple IMO. It's a business. Why so few seem to understand that escapes me. CCP owes you nothing.
P.S. I am not defending them in any way. But this is the way the world works.
If you ever have a question about something and don't know the answer why...the answer is MONEY.
Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
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Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
2420
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Posted - 2014.08.04 20:49:00 -
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...I'm not sure the Swarm Launcher deserves my precious SP anymore...
Dust Loyalist
Greedy Bastards
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Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
2420
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Posted - 2014.08.04 20:52:00 -
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The Swarm Launcher is more like an ineffective flyswatter. Who needs that?!
Dust Loyalist
Greedy Bastards
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