DUST Search - [CPM1] Respecs?

Ripley Riley wrote:

Soraya Xel wrote:

I have publicly stated in the past, more than once, that I think respecs are horrible horrible things that should never ever happen ever ever. Skill points are always increasing, and it's easy to get new roles as your skill points expand. Respecs, in my opinion, just encourage Fit-Of-The-Month speccing. And contrary to popular belief, it will not kill you to use a standard or advanced suit for a while.

That being said, if you want one, you guys need to make a centralized and clear demand for it, not a spamfest that just gets removed, locked, or banned. Feedback/Requests would be the best place for such a thing.

The big thing is that respecs are very hard to do optionally, and are generally coupled with major releases. (My personal guess: If skill points transfer to Legion, you'll get to spend them again, for instance.) A lot of people actually find respecs very irritating, because they have to reset everything so they can play again. Optional respecs are very time consuming because they have to be done through the ticket system.

Thank you Soraya. The FotM argument doesn't particularly move me since the players most interested in FoTM fits usually bank 1m+ SP before every major drop anyway. Repec or not, their goal is achieved... but I digress.

How are we not presenting a centralized demand for this in General Discussion? Around hotfix time dozens of players post threads, the same few people (usually veterans with 40+mil SP) oppose them, while newer players request respecs. CCP ignores these requests and most CPM seem to clam up. The most I have EVER heard in recent history about respecs from a CPM was IWS saying to ask again around Delta.

Plus, you and I both know that Feedback and Ideas does not have the traffic that General Discussion does.

You are probably right, by the way, when/if Legion launches we will get an SP refund of some form... but that's potentially years away. We MIGHT have an alpha in 2015, but that's being conservative. We the players have quite a while left in Dust 514 and I want to spend that time with our SP invested wisely.

You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.


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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1007	Posted - 2014.08.04 16:38:00 - [1] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Dear CPM1, Hotfix Charlie is shaping up to make assaults not suck quite so badly, scouts are being tweaked, and word has it logi/sentinels are on the agenda for Delta. Dozens of minor and major changes are taking place all over Dust 514. **, I mean, we are about to have nova knives capable of destroying HAV's for chrissakes. Don't you think it is about time we sent a message to CCP that we need a respec? You are our advocates. You have CCP's ear. I'm asking politely and I'm open to hear your arguments against it... though I have heard many MANY arguments against it and none of them have convinced me yet. Sincerely, Ripley P.S. Judge Rhadamanthus, please sign my titty. IWS said , wait until after Delta and then see and there is no room for Judge to sign your * , I guess you didn't see that long line outside waiting to do the same , he won't have any room . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.**
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1007	Posted - 2014.08.04 16:48:00 - [2] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: mostly because even after the heavy nerf goes live I don't want to have to re-distribute all those points? I'm happy with my choices and don't want to have to go redo everything. Now if CCP offers an opt-out of respec, I care a lot less. but I don't want to spend an hour trying to remember what I had where. Are you kidding me ??? You would rather kill the fun of most in the community and those who have been waiting for this for some time , something that is needed to spice up this game and make it exciting again and you don't want the " trouble " of redistributing your SP's again ? I've herd this before from others and I just can't understand it . The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few . Write that $h!t down and get ready because those who would like one will not give up and we will make it happen once and for all , then after that you can crush all memories of a refund because we won't need one . You people can come up with computations and massive spreadsheets to prove your points , only to not see that point added in-game but you would stifle this game for the bulk of the community , you know ... those under 30 million SP's , just because you don't want to redistribute your skill points . Nothing says " selfish and self-centered " more , all of those in the community .. see this and ramp up your efforts after Delta and we will become victorious !!!!! Then we will see the table's turn and knock some of these privy people off of their pedestal . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1009	Posted - 2014.08.04 19:08:00 - [3] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: Seriously? Y'all want respecs after every Hotfix. I don't want one after every hotfix. I just want a respec after CCP Rattati has finished his dropsuit overhaul. You have to admit that he has effected some very tangible buff/nerfs to certain dropsuits. I'm not debating if those changes are good or bad; that's a topic for another thread. I'm saying that the changes he has made have altered how players use certain dropsuits. This, in other MMO's, typically warrants a respec of some kind. You know I prob wouldn't want one if we had a full infantry on at 1.8 but that didn't happen , just drop suits and that's another thing that I don't get for those who are just asking for drop suits ... we already did that , that's like vehicles having another refund after the large turret , damage mod and repairer changes . It's not about after changes but the fact that once major overhaul's are done that totally change what and why a person picked a certain role for instance is done , something should be done to help smooth the transition . Changing tactic's and performance is needed . This game is just in need of better bonuses , bonuses that doesn't exclude any race in all roles . Every suit should have something to give as far as performance values . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1010	Posted - 2014.08.04 21:55:00 - [4] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I have publicly stated in the past, more than once, that I think respecs are horrible horrible things that should never ever happen ever ever. Skill points are always increasing, and it's easy to get new roles as your skill points expand. Respecs, in my opinion, just encourage Fit-Of-The-Month speccing. And contrary to popular belief, it will not kill you to use a standard or advanced suit for a while. That being said, if you want one, you guys need to make a centralized and clear demand for it, not a spamfest that just gets removed, locked, or banned. Feedback/Requests would be the best place for such a thing. The big thing is that respecs are very hard to do optionally, and are generally coupled with major releases. (My personal guess: If skill points transfer to Legion, you'll get to spend them again, for instance.) A lot of people actually find respecs very irritating, because they have to reset everything so they can play again. Optional respecs are very time consuming because they have to be done through the ticket system. Thank you Soraya. The FotM argument doesn't particularly move me since the players most interested in FoTM fits usually bank 1m+ SP before every major drop anyway. Repec or not, their goal is achieved... but I digress. How are we not presenting a centralized demand for this in General Discussion? Around hotfix time dozens of players post threads, the same few people (usually veterans with 40+mil SP) oppose them, while newer players request respecs. CCP ignores these requests and most CPM seem to clam up. The most I have EVER heard in recent history about respecs from a CPM was IWS saying to ask again around Delta. Plus, you and I both know that Feedback and Ideas does not have the traffic that General Discussion does. You are probably right, by the way, when/if Legion launches we will get an SP refund of some form... but that's potentially years away. We MIGHT have an alpha in 2015, but that's being conservative. We the players have quite a while left in Dust 514 and I want to spend that time with our SP invested wisely. Where's that bandwagon and where do I get on at ..??.. I'm not ashamed to admit it . It's about time people start to speak up and talk about this instead of having the same people talk about this and for so long , you would think this would have been done .. just to shut the community up , but if it's happening after Delta .. I would gladly take that and shut the hell up afterwards . I don't want to wait until the end though where that really would not matter because the servers will be going down . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1010	Posted - 2014.08.04 22:10:00 - [5] - Quote Beastlina wrote: buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: i think a respec is needed for people who got their suits/roles/fits **** up, but i hate how they just spec into fotm. personally, i have no need of a respec, as i have proto amarr sentinel (best one next patch, probably fotm), cal scout (great for running solo, plus damp bonus is even better), and my sp's into cores, biotics, and shield/armor. however, some people have suits or weapons that got made much worse by patches, and deserve at least a partial respec The flip side to this FOTM thing is that I think for a lot of people it's not getting into fotm suits it's getting out of their crappy ones that were ruined, changed, out suddenly outclassed at the same role but by a different suit. At least for me that's the case. I would use the sp from one full proto suit and just dump it into my core skills and electronics and add the other into commando. So yea i agree with the partial if it's on dropsuits but that would still allow for the fotm switches which sucks. I don't 100% agree with that aurum sales argument because a new player getting a respec with like 1m-5m sp is still gonna need a lot more sp and if he was intending to buy any boosters he still would if he had the intentions to continue the game in the first place. For higher sp players it would probably affect boosters sales, but then again they would be needing a whole bunch of new suits too and aurum sales for dropsuits would probably go up. I don't know if that would compensate really but just saying there are 2 sides to the coin and it wouldn't be a total loss for CCP. Most of the time it's the same people who go FOTM and then tell the community about the advantages of doing so , they have SP pools of unallocated SP's and they are already maxed out in so many area's so they can just sit back and accumulate . It's senseless to talk about how refunds bank FOTM because that's a farce in itself . I don't have a bank and I have to make every point count , where you have those who are sitting on a bank and they will be quick to tell you , " Why don't you just grind like the rest of us ??? " .. while they sit on a passive booster saying so , your not grinding ... the person with 50 or 60 million SP's are not grinding , hence the quick response as to tell you what you should do and STFU while doing so . That's Bull$h!t . This game is leaving , lets have and make it fun while were trying to balance out some of the kinks before it get's transplanted and I'm not one of those asking for the floodgates to be open , I'm just wanting to have the best experience before something that's taken away , that I had plans for but now that means nothing anymore . I would like to have fun with my 27 million like I have 30 or 35 million because of the chance to distribute where needed . Making the most of what I have and that's only right for a game that talks about customization while making multiple changes and stripping the choices away through role killing bonuses . Time to stop throwing things at a board in hopes that it sticks , these things should be well thought out as to not cripple any race and so .. every race has something to bring to the table but it's not that overwhelming than the rest as to have representation during the battlefield experience . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.**
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1012	Posted - 2014.08.05 00:09:00 - [6] - Quote BlazeXYZ wrote: WTF happened a year ago ? Legion , and that was their " guilt trip " . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.