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Thumb Green
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Posted - 2014.08.04 21:22:00 -
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I say this every time; I'm a fan of respecs but I also like having a challenge.
Soraya Xel wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Some of the skills we invested in are changing... some skills are changing more than others, but the point still stands. We invested in skills expecting them to do X, then CCP made them do Y and now CCP is asking us to live with the "choice" of picking Y... we didn't invest in Y, we invested in X damn it. This happens all the time in EVE. EVE players accept this. DUST players whine and cry about it. My personal opinion is DUST players need more backbone. ;)
So not only do EVE players accept getting screwed over by CCP, they also pay CCP monthly to do it. Sounds to me that Dust players aren't the ones that need more backbone.
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Thumb Green
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Posted - 2014.08.04 21:28:00 -
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Soulja Ghostface wrote:Respecs require some work client side, Which is not going to happen because legion ruined more peoples trust then just their players but also sony. Now that thats on CCPs record I doubt anybody else will support them after lying to sony. Dust may not ever get a client side fix (Respec) ever again.
Do you really think they would put SP client side? I give CCP sh!t all the time for their asinine decisions but come on man, not even they would be dumb enough to put that client side.
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Thumb Green
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Posted - 2014.08.04 21:34:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Thumb Green wrote:So not only do EVE players accept getting screwed over by CCP, they also pay CCP monthly to do it. Sounds to me that Dust players aren't the ones that need more backbone. The very nature of the SP system is designed around not having respecs. Which is why they're never offered in EVE, unless the skill in question is actually removed from the game. (Which happens extremely rarely.) Games have respecs because they have a cap on skill or talent points you can spend, so you occasionally need to redistribute them. But games with infinite SP like EVE and DUST it is intended for you to continue to play to unlock additional roles and abilities. This isn't World of Warcraft. I can't trade my Bachelor's Degree in Game and Simulation Programming for one in Computer Science just because I work in IT instead of game development. If I want a different degree, I have to go back to school. Similarly, your clone learns new things over time, it can't just change what it already learned into something else.
Honestly, I don't give a damn about any of that. All I want is for as many people as possible to be able to put up a challenge at any given time and if that means handing out respecs then by god hand out respecs.
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Thumb Green
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Posted - 2014.08.04 21:40:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:
The issue is that they either have to respec everyone, which a lot of people don't want, and also takes time, and is prone to issues happening, or they have to respec selectively on support tickets, which takes even more time, and makes devs have to stop working on other things to handle, or they have to create an actual respec option in the game, for ISK or AUR or whatever, which requires a client patch.
No matter what, respecs have some major cons to development time.
Takes time? All they have to do is click the mouse because it should already be automated and is only prone to issues if they fck something up, which this is CCP so I'll give you that one. And screw the people that don't want everyone to have respecs; they're just afraid of competition.
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Thumb Green
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Posted - 2014.08.05 16:45:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:As as has been mentioned its best to wait till more infomation about Delta is known.
I will say this however. There have numerous times in Eve where a ships slot layout, PG, CPU and even role has been changed, tweaked and balanced. Eve players didn't get a respec and they pay a subscription.
We're playing Dust not EVE, we don't give a fck about EVE players paying to be screwed over and have their time wasted, oh wait their time isn't wasted because they don't even have to play the game to gain SP. They just pay to have their SP wasted from time to time but that's only a minor inconvenience because all they have to do is queue up some skills and then go play something else or watch some porno.
Kevall Longstride wrote:Respecs shouldn't be the default posistion to take when presented with balance changes because it makes the choices you made in the skilling of your Merc meaningless.
You know what makes the choices I made in the skilling of my Merc meaningless? CCP constantly changing what people chose to skill into, into something else. I skilled into the heavy shortly before the HMG was fixed in 1.6 and I specifically skilled into the Amarr sentinel for the slot layout which is now going to the Gallente sentinel. A choice I made almost a year ago is now meaningless; not because of a respec but because CCP is changing what I chose into something I did not choose and what more specifically chose against. Interestingly enough I was skilling into the heavy to use the FG because I could see that 1.7 was going to make all the SP in my maxed out SL meaningless and the FG was going to be the only good AV for a while.
Don't tell us respecs makes our choices meaningless when CCP has already proven that they're meaningless to begin with time and time and time again
Kevall Longstride wrote:If as a result of any upcoming changes I feel a respec is warranted, I'll of course support it but if I think it's going to lead to another FOTM situation that might lead to yet another scramble calls for respecs 6 months down the road, then I be more reluctant to do so.
FOTM is going to happen whether there's a respec or not. There's a lot of people with enough SP that they're likely to be skilled into the next FOTM already, and then there's the people that save SP for the next FOTM, and then there's the people that grind for it in 2-4 weeks after it comes out.
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Thumb Green
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Posted - 2014.08.06 17:03:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:But Ripley! That SP will always be there in case you ever want to use the assault rifle again! I won't. Seriously. I will not ever use the assault rifle again for the rest of my characters life. I find it bland and it does not appeal to me after using the rail rifle and laser rifle. CCP could delete the SP out of the assault rifle; it would not even register as a loss to me. Do we understand each other? I. will. never. use. an. assault. rifle. again. ever.The question you should be asking me is, "What would you do with all of that SP you spent into assault rifles?" Please don't put words in my mouth. My answer would be: You used that SP. It has been used. SP is a one-time use currency. Want more? Go earn more. Not complain about how you spent what you had before.
You know as CPM your job is to relay our opinions to CCP not to tell us what to do and what to complain about.
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Thumb Green
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Posted - 2014.08.06 18:30:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Thumb Green wrote:You know as CPM your job is to relay our opinions to CCP not to tell us what to do and what to complain about. Indeed. Doesn't mean I'm not allowed to have and express opinions of my own.
You are correct it doesn't; what it does mean is you do it without the CPM tag. Because what you say with the CPM tag is supposed to reflect what we say, not what your opinion is. So use an alt if you want to express your opinion.
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Thumb Green
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Posted - 2014.08.06 18:56:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Thumb Green wrote:You are correct it doesn't; what it does mean is you do it without the CPM tag. Because what you say with the CPM tag is supposed to reflect what we say, not what your opinion is. So use an alt if you want to express your opinion. My alts also get a CPM tag. So I'm told. In this thread, I'm not speaking as a CPM, I'm speaking as a player. (Something I am likely to do a lot, since, you know, I play the game too.) I am also reading, and keeping some concept of the pulse of public opinion on the matter, which is the part that's useful for CPM stuff.
Well then tell CCP to remove the CPM tag from your alt if that's the case. Because when you speak on the forums with the CPM tag you are first and foremost a council member.
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Thumb Green
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Posted - 2014.08.06 19:25:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Well then tell CCP to remove the CPM tag from your alt if that's the case. Because when you speak on the forums with the CPM tag you are first and foremost a council member. I think you are being a bit overzealous. Soraya can post his/her opinions with a CPM tag, so long he/she is still being a player advocate when addressing CCP.
Excuse me for trying to take the CPM role seriously (foolish me, I know). We can't judge them based on when they are addressing CCP because most of that is shrouded in a NDA so we rarely get to witness what they actually advocate to CCP. So it's best that whenever they speak with the CPM tag that what they say reflects what that tag represents. Just as it would in the real world.
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Thumb Green
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Posted - 2014.08.06 20:04:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Also, this is an internet clone murder simulator council of psychopaths, not the Senate. Relax son, gotdayum.
That have an impact, however small it may be, on how this game and Legion are developed.
Ripley Riley wrote:but CPM is allowed to have opinions on things. They must still represent us; if you notice they are not putting forward ideas and opinions that align with yours then don't vote for them next time.
And I never said they couldn't have their own opinions; just that they shouldn't be posting them with the CPM tag. The only way we can determine if they are representing us is by what they say to us. This isn't about his ideas and opinions aligning with mine; this is about the CPM tag being used to put forward his opinion which was to tell us what we should be doing and complaining about.
To Byte Modal, you're an idiot. What he said was his own opinion not that of anyone else. He didn't put it forth as what the average opinion of the community was; he put it forth as his opinion with the CPM tag attached. And the only thing this has to do with a respec is the fact that he told us we shouldn't be complaining about not getting one.
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