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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2014.08.05 12:18:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:The very nature of the SP system is designed around not having respecs. Which is why they're never offered in EVE, unless the skill in question is actually removed from the game. (Which happens extremely rarely.)
Games have respecs because they have a cap on skill or talent points you can spend, so you occasionally need to redistribute them. But games with infinite SP like EVE and DUST it is intended for you to continue to play to unlock additional roles and abilities.
From a game design standpoint, I see what you are saying, and in Eve Online's case you are 100% correct. Let's please not forget that Eve Online's balance is in a much better state that Dust 514; Eve Online can boast racial ship, weapon, and module symmetry and a fully-featured tutorial.
Let us also not forget that, up until recently, new players' starting fits all had the assault rifle instead of their racial rifles. Can you imagine how many players dumped hundreds of thousands of SP into the assault rifle thinking it was the preferred weapon to use with an Amarr medium dropsuit?
Your argument would be 100% valid if Dust 514 more balanced and actually taught new players the proper way to fit their dropsuits, but it does not. It allows new players to make poor choices early on without first teaching them the correct way of doing things.
TL;DR - If Dust 514 had a tutorial explaining what modules, weapons, and equipment pair well with each race then if new players ignorantly spend their SP it is their own fault.
Soraya Xel wrote:I can't trade my Bachelor's Degree in Game and Simulation Programming for one in Computer Science just because I work in IT instead of game development. If I want a different degree, I have to go back to school. Similarly, your clone learns new things over time, it can't just change what it already learned into something else.
Soraya... please... we have micro-wormholes that transport us to the battlefield, guns that magnetically throw plasma, cloaking technology, clouds of nanomachines that repair our armor, and the ability to move our consciousnesses to a new body upon death... are you really going to make a lore-based argument now?
KING CHECKMATE wrote:I dont EVEN NEED A RESPEC, but every time I get one this game has some new air to it, me being able to use different stuff!
I second this sentiment. CCP Logibro or CCP Rattati, if you are reading this thread, a respec in the near future will lure players back into Dust and each one of them has the potential to buy AUR. In addition, existing players who never left will be pleased some of their old friends are returning and suddenly the game is made less stale for them. It will please a large percentage of your playerbase.
LT SHANKS wrote:I say, "Yay," to respecs.
Yet another player who wants a respec.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Assault Swarm Launcher
Caldari State
236
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Posted - 2014.08.05 13:12:00 -
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Anarchide wrote:...I'm not sure the Swarm Launcher deserves my precious SP anymore... Don't leave me.
"Chances are I'm going to kill you or replace you with something new..."
-CCP Logibro
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BlazeXYZ
xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.08.05 13:49:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote: I second this sentiment. CCP Logibro or CCP Rattati, if you are reading this thread, a respec in the near future will lure players back into Dust and each one of them has the potential to buy AUR. In addition, existing players who never left will be pleased some of their old friends are returning and suddenly the game is made less stale for them. It will please a large percentage of your playerbase.
They better consider one since this game changed constantly. Can someone please tell me why they gave a full respec a year ago when we're fixing the game now for a final product? What they should of done was give a partial respec a year ago and a full respec after delta. Who agrees?
The Blazing Intellect Machine
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
2999
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Posted - 2014.08.05 13:54:00 -
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BlazeXYZ wrote:They better consider one since this game changed constantly. Can someone please tell me why they gave a full respec a year ago when we're fixing the game now for a final product? What they should of done was give a partial respec a year ago and a full respec after delta. Who agrees?
This argument is mostly why I thought giving people respecs before was a bad idea too. It gives people the mindset they should get them. o_o
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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BlazeXYZ
xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.08.05 14:25:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:BlazeXYZ wrote:They better consider one since this game changed constantly. Can someone please tell me why they gave a full respec a year ago when we're fixing the game now for a final product? What they should of done was give a partial respec a year ago and a full respec after delta. Who agrees? This argument is mostly why I thought giving people respecs before was a bad idea too. It gives people the mindset they should get them. o_o
LOL. Who said i wanted a respec before. A respec at a time where half the problems of this game wasn't fixed and yet it was a great idea to give full respec a time like that.
The Blazing Intellect Machine
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501st Headstrong
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
443
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Posted - 2014.08.05 14:26:00 -
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Here we go again, the memories of 1.8
Players should get a respec. Reasons: Back when I joined at the cusp of Uprising, I could not get a Respec. I had 500k SP, and I was getting slaughtered. No tutorial to help me.Then, I specced in the Assault Rifle, because the Scrambler seemed strange, and while everyone was slaying in it, I had no idea of the skill system, that I could just spec into something. I used the Assault Rilfe throughout play, and watched it be eclipsed again and again.
Then the Combat Rifle came out, and I learned about racial parity, and suits. I don't want points in the Assault Rifle. I want only my Combat Rifle and my Mass Driver, Flaylock, and Submachine Gun. Dust 514 is about being the soldier YOU want to be. The reasons we didn't get a respec in 1.8 boggles me. You are adding suits, people want to play their suit a certain way. Why the hell would a scout need points in HMGs?
Why would a Minmatar Logi want points into Cardiac Regulators if they use to run scouts? "Players should branch out" Players should do whatever they want. You do not have the right to tell me that I should keep my sp because "I might need it." I want to use my sp at that moment, and it has been a year. There are mistakes, there have been changes. FOTM is a lie, made up because everyone hates getting stomped. If people were stomping you in the Minmatar Scout, would you call it OP, or would you say they're just good players? Oh no but the second you see an Amarr Scout, everyone thinks it's FOTM. Well of course it is, it is taking the bonus of the Cal Scout. That is not FOTM when people go into a suit that they have always wanted. That is bs to claim otherwise, and i will be damned if people are against a Respec after Delta, because you cannot blame a player for making mistakes when the game screwed up. You can change things, but something as radical as bonuses? Respec. You want to change Heavies, respec. People specced in the Gallente Sentnel because it had more Lows than the Amarr so they could Armor stack. Is it there fault CCP screwed up and gave the Gallente (Armor-Reppers), more Lows than Armor stackers?! If you're going to screw people over, then you sure as hell better teach them first. e+1 for a Respec, and I don't care if I get banned, I will get one, and so will everyone who wants one.
I miss the old GAM crew :(
RESPEC PLEASE After Delta
CEO of GODS AMONG MEN
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BlazeXYZ
xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.08.05 14:31:00 -
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501st Headstrong wrote:Here we go again, the memories of 1.8 Players should get a respec. Reasons: Back when I joined at the cusp of Uprising, I could not get a Respec. I had 500k SP, and I was getting slaughtered. No tutorial to help me.Then, I specced in the Assault Rifle, because the Scrambler seemed strange, and while everyone was slaying in it, I had no idea of the skill system, that I could just spec into something. I used the Assault Rilfe throughout play, and watched it be eclipsed again and again. Then the Combat Rifle came out, and I learned about racial parity, and suits. I don't want points in the Assault Rifle. I want only my Combat Rifle and my Mass Driver, Flaylock, and Submachine Gun. Dust 514 is about being the soldier YOU want to be. The reasons we didn't get a respec in 1.8 boggles me. You are adding suits, people want to play their suit a certain way. Why the hell would a scout need points in HMGs? Why would a Minmatar Logi want points into Cardiac Regulators if they use to run scouts? "Players should branch out" Players should do whatever they want. You do not have the right to tell me that I should keep my sp because "I might need it." I want to use my sp at that moment, and it has been a year. There are mistakes, there have been changes. FOTM is a lie, made up because everyone hates getting stomped. If people were stomping you in the Minmatar Scout, would you call it OP, or would you say they're just good players? Oh no but the second you see an Amarr Scout, everyone thinks it's FOTM. Well of course it is, it is taking the bonus of the Cal Scout. That is not FOTM when people go into a suit that they have always wanted. That is bs to claim otherwise, and i will be damned if people are against a Respec after Delta, because you cannot blame a player for making mistakes when the game screwed up. You can change things, but something as radical as bonuses? Respec. You want to change Heavies, respec. People specced in the Gallente Sentnel because it had more Lows than the Amarr so they could Armor stack. Is it there fault CCP screwed up and gave the Gallente (Armor-Reppers), more Lows than Armor stackers?! If you're going to screw people over, then you sure as hell better teach them first. e +1 for a Respec, and I don't care if I get banned, I will get one, and so will everyone who wants one.
Well said +1
The Blazing Intellect Machine
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501st Headstrong
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
443
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Posted - 2014.08.05 14:37:00 -
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I just get so angry about this. A whole year? Vets saying that you don't need one? Dude, I didn't know to put points into my cores as a new player? I specced into every weapon because I came from Ghost Recon: Future Soldier and COD, and I saw Assault Rifle. I said, "Hmmm, pick the gun I know, or the one with the weird name..." I went AR. I didn't meet anyone willing to "train me" until 3 months after playing. Even then, I didn't meet a person who properly warned me on what to skill into until 10 months ago (Ghostt Shadow). By that point, i'd squandered over 7 million SP, and I refuse to let it be locked in things I do not want.
This game is about choice, we had over 50 pages of support for a full Infantry Respec in 1.8. They said no. They'll probably say no to this and lock this thread. So be it, I'll make another. I'll wait till Delta, just tell me it's coming. Tell me we need to go through all the suits first before giving a Respec. I'll flipping wait. But saying no because of sales for boosters is GREEDY and CCP that better not be the reason why I'm sitting here arguing for a respec. If it's not possible, TELL us. Enough of this hiding in the dark. If that's the case then why are there even forums?
I miss the old GAM crew :(
RESPEC PLEASE After Delta
CEO of GODS AMONG MEN
Clone Wars forever #Starwars: Battlefront
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Cpt McReady
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.08.05 14:38:00 -
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everyone mentioning "FOTM" and "EVE" is a scrub with zero credibility. you are wrong, you are a scrub and you need to grow up, deal with it.
1. eve SP is fully passive, you can play something else for one month, come back and get a new toy without annoying grind all day long. 2. if you are really desperate you can buy a new different character at the character bazar in eve 3. in dust skilling up into FOTM with good amounts of SP takes one or two weeks with average playing time, skilling up into a whole new playstyle takes months. everyone that wants that so called FOTM already has it or can get it really fast but correcting overhauls which affect your playstyle take ages and not only that but it also invalidates your past grind and achievements which you worked very hard for. |
501st Headstrong
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
443
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Posted - 2014.08.05 14:42:00 -
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ESPECIALLY when players who do play are penalized for capping out? Like really? I can get 6000 war points in a match, but capped out I get 1000 SP. WTF?!
I miss the old GAM crew :(
RESPEC PLEASE After Delta
CEO of GODS AMONG MEN
Clone Wars forever #Starwars: Battlefront
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University Ivy League
1533
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Posted - 2014.08.05 15:19:00 -
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As as has been mentioned its best to wait till more infomation about Delta is known.
I will say this however. There have numerous times in Eve where a ships slot layout, PG, CPU and even role has been changed, tweaked and balanced. Eve players didn't get a respec and they pay a subscription.
For me there are only two circumstances that respecs and partial respecs might be considered as possibly required. When an entire branch of the skill tree has had to be changed such as when the LLAV's had to be removed. Or when racial parity in a weapon or suit class is going to be achieved, for example if the other races sniper rifles should make an appearance.
Respecs shouldn't be the default posistion to take when presented with balance changes because it makes the choices you made in the skilling of your Merc meaningless.
If as a result of any upcoming changes I feel a respec is warranted, I'll of course support it but if I think it's going to lead to another FOTM situation that might lead to yet another scramble calls for respecs 6 months down the road, then I be more reluctant to do so.
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FIRST TESTDUMMY
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
180
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Posted - 2014.08.05 15:21:00 -
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Due to not knowing what certain skills, modules, and equipment do and also how certain weapons perform, my skill points were thrown everywhere. Playing months without any direction and finally getting something that works for me only to have CCP change everything about it is downright idiotic. Vets have played through enough versions of the game to know what skills are a priority when building their characters. They've had their respecs. They've had time to accumulate skill points to where they can skill into anything without regret.
What about those who came late and made a lot of useless skill investments? I'm sorry, but I don't have the 40+ mil SP to fall back on like so many do. No, I haven't played long enough to be the type of player who is specialized into three different roles. I don't even have what's necessary to be specialized into one role because of the way my SP is thinly spread out.
When vets made mistakes, it was okay because they were on even grounds with each other. If I, along with a lot of late comers, make a mistake, the gap between high SP characters and low SP characters just widens more. While the Pros are fine tuning their proficiency and ammo skills, I'm set back a good amount because I put SP into myofibril stimulants.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2445
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Posted - 2014.08.05 16:02:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:For me there are only two circumstances that respecs and partial respecs might be considered as possibly required. When an entire branch of the skill tree has had to be changed such as when the LLAV's had to be removed. Or when racial parity in a weapon or suit class is going to be achieved, for example if the other races sniper rifles should make an appearance.
If as a result of any upcoming changes I feel a respec is warranted, I'll of course support it but if I think it's going to lead to another FOTM situation that might lead to yet another scramble calls for respecs 6 months down the road, then I be more reluctant to do so.
Kevall, I'm glad to hear your opinions on this.
Do you personally agree that Dust 514's NPE was able to educate a new player on the pros and cons of different modules, weapons, and dropsuits on launch? Were there militia weapon variants for players to try all modules, weapons, and dropsuits on launch?
The answer to the second question is obviously "No". The first is more subjective, but I feel most players would say "No".
How can you say Kevall Longstride wrote:because it makes the choices you made in the skilling of your Merc meaningless. when our choices didn't mean much to begin with? I have known several new players who made the mistake of skilling into things that made sense according to the starter fittings (e.g. shield skills because the Amarr MEDIC fit has two shield extenders for some stupid reason). Now they want to stick with the Amarr dropsuits, but they have invested a lot of their SP into shield skills. That's just one example, of course.
And the FotM argument doesn't fly. FotM people are going to fit FotM regardless of if they get a respec or not. Those type of people often save 1mil+ SP before every update so they can ride the gravy train until the next update. Respecs are not going to change their behavior one way or another so they are irrelevant to this argument.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
1205
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Posted - 2014.08.05 16:45:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:As as has been mentioned its best to wait till more infomation about Delta is known.
I will say this however. There have numerous times in Eve where a ships slot layout, PG, CPU and even role has been changed, tweaked and balanced. Eve players didn't get a respec and they pay a subscription. We're playing Dust not EVE, we don't give a fck about EVE players paying to be screwed over and have their time wasted, oh wait their time isn't wasted because they don't even have to play the game to gain SP. They just pay to have their SP wasted from time to time but that's only a minor inconvenience because all they have to do is queue up some skills and then go play something else or watch some porno.
Kevall Longstride wrote:Respecs shouldn't be the default posistion to take when presented with balance changes because it makes the choices you made in the skilling of your Merc meaningless. You know what makes the choices I made in the skilling of my Merc meaningless? CCP constantly changing what people chose to skill into, into something else. I skilled into the heavy shortly before the HMG was fixed in 1.6 and I specifically skilled into the Amarr sentinel for the slot layout which is now going to the Gallente sentinel. A choice I made almost a year ago is now meaningless; not because of a respec but because CCP is changing what I chose into something I did not choose and what more specifically chose against. Interestingly enough I was skilling into the heavy to use the FG because I could see that 1.7 was going to make all the SP in my maxed out SL meaningless and the FG was going to be the only good AV for a while.
Don't tell us respecs makes our choices meaningless when CCP has already proven that they're meaningless to begin with time and time and time again
Kevall Longstride wrote:If as a result of any upcoming changes I feel a respec is warranted, I'll of course support it but if I think it's going to lead to another FOTM situation that might lead to yet another scramble calls for respecs 6 months down the road, then I be more reluctant to do so.
FOTM is going to happen whether there's a respec or not. There's a lot of people with enough SP that they're likely to be skilled into the next FOTM already, and then there's the people that save SP for the next FOTM, and then there's the people that grind for it in 2-4 weeks after it comes out.
Kill Scotty
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501st Headstrong
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
448
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Posted - 2014.08.05 17:11:00 -
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My point still stands. It's been over a year since the last legitimate respec( 1.8 DOES NOT count) for infantry. Many players have joined, and it is the fault of the game for not aiding us with our SP. You keep saying that a respec would negate the choices we mercs made, but you are refusing to give us a choice in how we spend our SP yet again. We didn't make an informed choice.
I really don't care about EVE players. I mean, yes, I respect them and all but that is a totally different game and furthermore, EVE players are always gaining nice, consistent SP. With Dust, if you play too much, you are not rewarded for it because of the insane grind.
And, bringing out this card again, The community would very much appreciate a Respec. If not the community, at least a customer who has stuck with this company past fan-fest, past the Forge Gun bug where it would ghost-shot, past the glitches of falling through the map, past the nanite-injector bug, past thick and thin. I ask for a Respec after Delta. Just like we were saying in 1.8, if you give us a Respec, we won't ask for a another. State that this is the last time you are giving one, and that you are not obligated to give another. If you are going to make us beta-testers for Legion, then can you at least keep us happy? Make your changes, but after Delta, if nothing is going to be tweaked bonus wise, Respec FULLY for infantry.
I miss the old GAM crew :(
RESPEC PLEASE After Delta
CEO of GODS AMONG MEN
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BlazeXYZ
xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
94
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Posted - 2014.08.05 18:11:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:
If as a result of any upcoming changes I feel a respec is warranted, I'll of course support it but if I think it's going to lead to another FOTM situation that might lead to yet another scramble calls for respecs 6 months down the road, then I be more reluctant to do so.
So you're saying there will be still an FOTM after delta. I hope not. I wish after delta everything would be balanced and there wil be no such thing as an FOTM. It's CCP responsibility to remove FOTM and bring diversity into the battlefield.
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Eruditus 920
Prodigy Ops
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Posted - 2014.08.05 19:41:00 -
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I am not a vet. I started playing March 1, 2014.
And I play solo. I have never squaded up, and I am the CEO of a 1 man Corp.
I have never been given advice on how to play or where to put my SP other than reading the stickies on this forum.
My point? I am happy with my SP allocation. If I could do it over I would make the same exact choices without a single exception.
I am sure there are other players out there who were smart, realized from looking at the skill tree how much of a grind it would be and how important each SP choice would be.
So shouldn't I be rewarded for my wise decisions? Don't those wise decisions give me an advantage over those that didn't educate themselves first with the same resources that were available to me? Why should I lose that advantage?
Everyone had access to the same resources I did and most had access to squad mates, their corp, a friend, etc. I had none of that help and yet I was able to allocate wisely.
Part of being successful at DUST is being smart with your SP allocation.
NO TO RESPECS.
Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
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Topher Mellen
Scott-Mellen Corporation
85
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Posted - 2014.08.05 20:38:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:As as has been mentioned its best to wait till more infomation about Delta is known.
I will say this however. There have numerous times in Eve where a ships slot layout, PG, CPU and even role has been changed, tweaked and balanced. Eve players didn't get a respec and they pay a subscription.
For me there are only two circumstances that respecs and partial respecs might be considered as possibly required. When an entire branch of the skill tree has had to be changed such as when the LLAV's had to be removed. Or when racial parity in a weapon or suit class is going to be achieved, for example if the other races sniper rifles should make an appearance.
Respecs shouldn't be the default posistion to take when presented with balance changes because it makes the choices you made in the skilling of your Merc meaningless.
If as a result of any upcoming changes I feel a respec is warranted, I'll of course support it but if I think it's going to lead to another FOTM situation that might lead to yet another scramble calls for respecs 6 months down the road, then I be more reluctant to do so.
On that note I have to mention pistol parity. I invested well over 3 million SP in the Scrambler Pistol when it was the only pistol in early uprising. When do we get a sidearm tree repec? |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2457
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Posted - 2014.08.06 12:49:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:On that note I have to mention pistol parity. I invested well over 3 million SP in the Scrambler Pistol when it was the only pistol in early uprising. When do we get a sidearm tree repec?
Sidearms are currently up for review in Delta. Hopefully we will see militia versions of the newer sidearms in Delta too.
Maybe after Delta we can expect some form of SP refund.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming
1245
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Posted - 2014.08.06 13:01:00 -
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I have mixed feelings.
On the one hand I believe in skilling into the suit you enjoy rather than what is the best fit. I also remember vividly the shift in player balance after the last respec and the partials that pre-dated it. Suddenly going from heavy logi and assault numbers to a sway in heavy and light frames. Plus saying it adds diversity is obviously a lie as everyone gravitated to the Cal and Gal scout based on the numbers.
That said I do want the numbers to return to a more pre 1.8 state..
"The air smells damp and oppressive, like a wet nun"
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2457
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Posted - 2014.08.06 13:23:00 -
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Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:Suddenly going from heavy logi and assault numbers to a sway in heavy and light frames. Plus saying it adds diversity is obviously a lie as everyone gravitated to the Cal and Gal scout based on the numbers.
This is something we will have to address pre-respec: balance.
If balancing has not been performed to every dropsuit then when a respec hits most players are going to gravitate towards whatever suits can boast the best stats.
Charlie is balancing scouts and assaults. I believe I read that Delta is slated to balance logistics and sentinels.
Armor and shield tanking modules have been balanced in Alpha and Bravo and I have confidence that CCP Rattati and Logibro would make further adjustments to them if they were over/under-performing.
Light weapon balance is the best it has been... pretty much ever. Sidearms are being reviewed in Charlie.
Perhaps after the balancing passes we will be ready for a respec.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2457
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Posted - 2014.08.06 13:26:00 -
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Double post, derp derp herpity derp.
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BlazeXYZ
xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
94
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Posted - 2014.08.06 13:39:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:Suddenly going from heavy logi and assault numbers to a sway in heavy and light frames. Plus saying it adds diversity is obviously a lie as everyone gravitated to the Cal and Gal scout based on the numbers. This is something we will have to address pre-respec: balance. If balancing has not been performed to every dropsuit then when a respec hits most players are going to gravitate towards whatever suits can boast the best stats. Charlie is balancing scouts and assaults. I believe I read that Delta is slated to balance logistics and sentinels. Armor and shield tanking modules have been balanced in Alpha and Bravo and I have confidence that CCP Rattati and Logibro would make further adjustments to them if they were over/under-performing. Light weapon balance is the best it has been... pretty much ever. Sidearms are being reviewed in Charlie. Perhaps after the balancing passes we will be ready for a respec.
+1 This is what I really want to happen and this makes sense.
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
11514
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Posted - 2014.08.06 13:50:00 -
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About respecs
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Alena Ventrallis
S0VER31GN
1531
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Posted - 2014.08.06 15:14:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Thumb Green wrote:So not only do EVE players accept getting screwed over by CCP, they also pay CCP monthly to do it. Sounds to me that Dust players aren't the ones that need more backbone. The very nature of the SP system is designed around not having respecs. Which is why they're never offered in EVE, unless the skill in question is actually removed from the game. (Which happens extremely rarely.) Games have respecs because they have a cap on skill or talent points you can spend, so you occasionally need to redistribute them. But games with infinite SP like EVE and DUST it is intended for you to continue to play to unlock additional roles and abilities. This isn't World of Warcraft. I can't trade my Bachelor's Degree in Game and Simulation Programming for one in Computer Science just because I work in IT instead of game development. If I want a different degree, I have to go back to school. Similarly, your clone learns new things over time, it can't just change what it already learned into something else. Eve also has an all passive system, and far lower skill multipliers. For instance, electronics in dust is a 5x skill, and in eve its a 1x skill. Eve people don't complain because you can retrain far faster.
Rattati has spoken. CalScout hitbox is fine. You're gun game is broken.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
248
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Posted - 2014.08.06 15:21:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Dear CPM1,
Hotfix Charlie is shaping up to make assaults not suck quite so badly, scouts are being tweaked, and word has it logi/sentinels are on the agenda for Delta. Dozens of minor and major changes are taking place all over Dust 514. ****, I mean, we are about to have nova knives capable of destroying HAV's for chrissakes. Don't you think it is about time we sent a message to CCP that we need a respec? You are our advocates. You have CCP's ear.
I'm asking politely and I'm open to hear your arguments against it... though I have heard many MANY arguments against it and none of them have convinced me yet.
Sincerely, Ripley
P.S. Judge Rhadamanthus, please sign my titty.
scouts.. no real change.. Caldari is still FOTM with gallente being up to par vs caldari now while amarr and more so minmatar are left to rot although a ccp did mention about looking at the ehp of min scouts
only think that is happening to logi is Homogenization.. standard 1 light wep 1 nade slot 2 equip slots.. advanced 1 light 1 nade 3 equip slots.. proto 1 light 1 nade 4 equip slots... they are removing the side arm from amarr logi (slayer logi meta old FOTM) and changing slot layouts more.. so amarr/gal start at like 1/3 while cal/min at 3/1 and it expands from there.
sentinel nerf is less cpu and pg(delta) and more heat on HMG(hmg is charlie iirc)
Logibro in training.
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Chunky Munkey
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Posted - 2014.08.06 15:43:00 -
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These changes don't warrant a respec.
A dead game does.
Destiny won't kill Dust.
CCP already did that.
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Taurion Bruni
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Posted - 2014.08.06 15:50:00 -
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Yankie Doodle wrote:"NO MORE RESPECS" EVA!!!!!
They are NOT needed....... if u have 50,000,000+ sp.
I have 4 proto suits. 5 proto guns. Maxed core skills.
All set for any nerf/buff.
Agreed
I dont want the FOTM followers to swap into the next op build. then we will have 90% of the community running the same fit again..
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.08.06 15:55:00 -
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Taurion Bruni wrote:I don't want the FOTM followers to swap into the next op build. then we will have 90% of the community running the same fit again..
Do you really believe that respecs cause FotM behavior? No, imbalance causes that. CCP Rattati and Logibro are doing a pretty thorough job of balancing things right now. Once near balance is achieved the FotM behavior will be less and less noticeable.
Also, FotM seekers bank millions of SP pre-update to dump on what they perceive to be the next best fitting. That will happen if repecs happen or not.
TL;DR - FotM is irrelevant to the respec argument.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.08.06 16:00:00 -
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Why can't you save up some SP for your new spec as well then?
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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