...I'm not sure the Swarm Launcher deserves my precious SP anymore...

Though CCP will never come out and state this, they will not give a SP refund because it would discourage Aurum/Booster sales.

Some of the skills we invested in are changing... some skills are changing more than others, but the point still stands. We invested in skills expecting them to do X, then CCP made them do Y and now CCP is asking us to live with the "choice" of picking Y... we didn't invest in Y, we invested in X damn it.

Though CCP will never come out and state this, they will not give a SP refund because it would discourage Aurum/Booster sales.

This happens all the time in EVE. EVE players accept this. DUST players whine and cry about it. My personal opinion is DUST players need more backbone. ;)



My solution: CCP should sell skill respecs. They're completely unnecessary, but for those that insist, they can be available, and also help pay to keep the game running. Of course, any sort of skill respec token would require a client patch and such.

This happens all the time in EVE. EVE players accept this. DUST players whine and cry about it. My personal opinion is DUST players need more backbone. ;)



My solution: CCP should sell skill respecs. They're completely unnecessary, but for those that insist, they can be available, and also help pay to keep the game running. Of course, any sort of skill respec token would require a client patch and such.

This happens all the time in EVE. EVE players accept this. DUST players whine and cry about it. My personal opinion is DUST players need more backbone. ;)

So not only do EVE players accept getting screwed over by CCP, they also pay CCP monthly to do it. Sounds to me that Dust players aren't the ones that need more backbone.

"NO MORE RESPECS" EVA!!!!!

They are NOT needed....... if u have 50,000,000+ sp.

I have 4 proto suits. 5 proto guns. Maxed core skills.

All set for any nerf/buff.

Respecs require some work client side, Which is not going to happen because legion ruined more peoples trust then just their players but also sony. Now that thats on CCPs record I doubt anybody else will support them after lying to sony. Dust may not ever get a client side fix (Respec) ever again.

Do you really think they would put SP client side? I give CCP sh!t all the time for their asinine decisions but come on man, not even they would be dumb enough to put that client side.

The very nature of the SP system is designed around not having respecs. Which is why they're never offered in EVE, unless the skill in question is actually removed from the game. (Which happens extremely rarely.)

Games have respecs because they have a cap on skill or talent points you can spend, so you occasionally need to redistribute them. But games with infinite SP like EVE and DUST it is intended for you to continue to play to unlock additional roles and abilities.

This isn't World of Warcraft. I can't trade my Bachelor's Degree in Game and Simulation Programming for one in Computer Science just because I work in IT instead of game development. If I want a different degree, I have to go back to school. Similarly, your clone learns new things over time, it can't just change what it already learned into something else.

The issue is that they either have to respec everyone, which a lot of people don't want, and also takes time, and is prone to issues happening, or they have to respec selectively on support tickets, which takes even more time, and makes devs have to stop working on other things to handle, or they have to create an actual respec option in the game, for ISK or AUR or whatever, which requires a client patch.

No matter what, respecs have some major cons to development time.

i think a respec is needed for people who got their suits/roles/fits ****** up, but i hate how they just spec into fotm. personally, i have no need of a respec, as i have proto amarr sentinel (best one next patch, probably fotm), cal scout (great for running solo, plus damp bonus is even better), and my sp's into cores, biotics, and shield/armor. however, some people have suits or weapons that got made much worse by patches, and deserve at least a partial respec

Thank you Soraya. The FotM argument doesn't particularly move me since the players most interested in FoTM fits usually bank 1m+ SP before every major drop anyway. Repec or not, their goal is achieved... but I digress.

How are we not presenting a centralized demand for this in General Discussion? Around hotfix time dozens of players post threads, the same few people (usually veterans with 40+mil SP) oppose them, while newer players request respecs. CCP ignores these requests and most CPM seem to clam up. The most I have EVER heard in recent history about respecs from a CPM was IWS saying to ask again around Delta.

Plus, you and I both know that Feedback and Ideas does not have the traffic that General Discussion does.

You are probably right, by the way, when/if Legion launches we will get an SP refund of some form... but that's potentially years away. We MIGHT have an alpha in 2015, but that's being conservative. We the players have quite a while left in Dust 514 and I want to spend that time with our SP invested wisely.

Takes time? All they have to do is click the mouse because it should already be automated and is only prone to issues if they fck something up, which this is CCP so I'll give you that one. And screw the people that don't want everyone to have respecs; they're just afraid of competition.

The flip side to this FOTM thing is that I think for a lot of people it's not getting into fotm suits it's getting out of their crappy ones that were ruined, changed, out suddenly outclassed at the same role but by a different suit. At least for me that's the case. I would use the sp from one full proto suit and just dump it into my core skills and electronics and add the other into commando. So yea i agree with the partial if it's on dropsuits but that would still allow for the fotm switches which sucks.

I don't 100% agree with that aurum sales argument because a new player getting a respec with like 1m-5m sp is still gonna need a lot more sp and if he was intending to buy any boosters he still would if he had the intentions to continue the game in the first place. For higher sp players it would probably affect boosters sales, but then again they would be needing a whole bunch of new suits too and aurum sales for dropsuits would probably go up. I don't know if that would compensate really but just saying there are 2 sides to the coin and it wouldn't be a total loss for CCP.

Gone since May and come back and things are still the same lol. I'm just glad I specced into all different classes of suits from multiple scout suits, with amarr assault and sentinel and logi. Although I am pissed it looks like my gallente scout suit is taking a nerf.

I beginning to think that they never actually intended to fix this game a year ago . I just hate the fact they gave us a respec at a time like that. That's so freakin random.

WTF happened a year ago ?

Are you kidding me ???

You would rather kill the fun of most in the community and those who have been waiting for this for some time , something that is needed to spice up this game and make it exciting again and you don't want the " trouble " of redistributing your SP's again ?

I've herd this before from others and I just can't understand it .

The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few .

Write that $h!t down and get ready because those who would like one will not give up and we will make it happen once and for all , then after that you can crush all memories of a refund because we won't need one .

You people can come up with computations and massive spreadsheets to prove your points , only to not see that point added in-game but you would stifle this game for the bulk of the community , you know ... those under 30 million SP's , just because you don't want to redistribute your skill points .

Nothing says " selfish and self-centered " more , all of those in the community .. see this and ramp up your efforts after Delta and we will become victorious !!!!!

Then we will see the table's turn and knock some of these privy people off of their pedestal .

My solution: CCP should sell skill respecs. They're completely unnecessary, but for those that insist, they can be available, and also help pay to keep the game running. Of course, any sort of skill respec token would require a client patch and such.

Dear CPM1,

Hotfix Charlie is shaping up to make assaults not suck quite so badly, scouts are being tweaked, and word has it logi/sentinels are on the agenda for Delta. Dozens of minor and major changes are taking place all over Dust 514. ****, I mean, we are about to have nova knives capable of destroying HAV's for chrissakes. Don't you think it is about time we sent a message to CCP that we need a respec? You are our advocates. You have CCP's ear.

I'm asking politely and I'm open to hear your arguments against it... though I have heard many MANY arguments against it and none of them have convinced me yet.

Sincerely,
Ripley

P.S. Judge Rhadamanthus, please sign my titty.