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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.08.04 19:40:00 -
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I have publicly stated in the past, more than once, that I think respecs are horrible horrible things that should never ever happen ever ever. Skill points are always increasing, and it's easy to get new roles as your skill points expand. Respecs, in my opinion, just encourage Fit-Of-The-Month speccing. And contrary to popular belief, it will not kill you to use a standard or advanced suit for a while.
That being said, if you want one, you guys need to make a centralized and clear demand for it, not a spamfest that just gets removed, locked, or banned. Feedback/Requests would be the best place for such a thing.
The big thing is that respecs are very hard to do optionally, and are generally coupled with major releases. (My personal guess: If skill points transfer to Legion, you'll get to spend them again, for instance.) A lot of people actually find respecs very irritating, because they have to reset everything so they can play again. Optional respecs are very time consuming because they have to be done through the ticket system.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.08.04 20:39:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Plus, you and I both know that Feedback and Ideas does not have the traffic that General Discussion does.
Sure, but in General Discussion, Logibro will o_o at you and lock your thread because it doesn't belong there.
Quote:We the players have quite a while left in Dust 514 and I want to spend that time with our SP invested wisely.
My personal opinion is that you already invested it. Whether you invested it well or badly, you're kinda past that point once you've spent it.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.08.04 21:04:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Some of the skills we invested in are changing... some skills are changing more than others, but the point still stands. We invested in skills expecting them to do X, then CCP made them do Y and now CCP is asking us to live with the "choice" of picking Y... we didn't invest in Y, we invested in X damn it.
This happens all the time in EVE. EVE players accept this. DUST players whine and cry about it. My personal opinion is DUST players need more backbone. ;)
Eruditus 920 wrote:Though CCP will never come out and state this, they will not give a SP refund because it would discourage Aurum/Booster sales.
My solution: CCP should sell skill respecs. They're completely unnecessary, but for those that insist, they can be available, and also help pay to keep the game running. Of course, any sort of skill respec token would require a client patch and such.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.08.04 21:28:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:So not only do EVE players accept getting screwed over by CCP, they also pay CCP monthly to do it. Sounds to me that Dust players aren't the ones that need more backbone.
The very nature of the SP system is designed around not having respecs. Which is why they're never offered in EVE, unless the skill in question is actually removed from the game. (Which happens extremely rarely.)
Games have respecs because they have a cap on skill or talent points you can spend, so you occasionally need to redistribute them. But games with infinite SP like EVE and DUST it is intended for you to continue to play to unlock additional roles and abilities.
This isn't World of Warcraft. I can't trade my Bachelor's Degree in Game and Simulation Programming for one in Computer Science just because I work in IT instead of game development. If I want a different degree, I have to go back to school. Similarly, your clone learns new things over time, it can't just change what it already learned into something else.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.08.04 21:30:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:Respecs require some work client side, Which is not going to happen because legion ruined more peoples trust then just their players but also sony. Now that thats on CCPs record I doubt anybody else will support them after lying to sony. Dust may not ever get a client side fix (Respec) ever again. Do you really think they would put SP client side? I give CCP sh!t all the time for their asinine decisions but come on man, not even they would be dumb enough to put that client side.
The issue is that they either have to respec everyone, which a lot of people don't want, and also takes time, and is prone to issues happening, or they have to respec selectively on support tickets, which takes even more time, and makes devs have to stop working on other things to handle, or they have to create an actual respec option in the game, for ISK or AUR or whatever, which requires a client patch.
No matter what, respecs have some major cons to development time.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.08.04 21:59:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:
Takes time? All they have to do is click the mouse because it should already be automated and is only prone to issues if they fck something up, which this is CCP so I'll give you that one. And screw the people that don't want everyone to have respecs; they're just afraid of competition.
"Should" and "is" are two different things. ;)
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Posted - 2014.08.05 13:54:00 -
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BlazeXYZ wrote:They better consider one since this game changed constantly. Can someone please tell me why they gave a full respec a year ago when we're fixing the game now for a final product? What they should of done was give a partial respec a year ago and a full respec after delta. Who agrees?
This argument is mostly why I thought giving people respecs before was a bad idea too. It gives people the mindset they should get them. o_o
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.08.06 16:00:00 -
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Why can't you save up some SP for your new spec as well then?
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.08.06 16:54:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:But Ripley! That SP will always be there in case you ever want to use the assault rifle again! I won't. Seriously. I will not ever use the assault rifle again for the rest of my characters life. I find it bland and it does not appeal to me after using the rail rifle and laser rifle. CCP could delete the SP out of the assault rifle; it would not even register as a loss to me. Do we understand each other? I. will. never. use. an. assault. rifle. again. ever.The question you should be asking me is, "What would you do with all of that SP you spent into assault rifles?"
Please don't put words in my mouth. My answer would be: You used that SP. It has been used. SP is a one-time use currency. Want more? Go earn more. Not complain about how you spent what you had before.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.08.06 18:15:00 -
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Ripley, regarding Kevall's comments, I don't believe racial parity has any bearing on need for respecs. Racial gear differences rarely matter much more than lore. And new stuff is added to online games all the time.
Thumb Green wrote:You know as CPM your job is to relay our opinions to CCP not to tell us what to do and what to complain about.
Indeed. Doesn't mean I'm not allowed to have and express opinions of my own.
By participating in this thread, personally, I'm both fostering a continued discussion and monitoring opinion and feedback. If I didn't care about people's opinions, I'd have ignored the thread and let it die like thousands of other respec threads before it.
Topher Mellen wrote:Congratulations on being rich. Too bad I don't care at all. Paid respecs are simply a way to squeeze money out of a free game. There shouldn't be any respecs what-so-ever save for when major changes to the game happen. (Despite what the new monetization director says)
Free games need to get paid for. Generally by selling stuff completely unnecessary. Like respecs. It's not a bad idea.
Ripley Riley wrote:Actually, it is done with a script. I know some players are not interested in having their SP unallocated so for them I propose a voluntary respec option. If you want a respec then open a ticket with a specific subject line.
You vastly overestimate the ease of this process. Also, note the various screwups of such scripts in the past, especially revolving around SP events. It's quite the hassle, and prone to errors.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.08.06 18:34:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:You are correct it doesn't; what it does mean is you do it without the CPM tag. Because what you say with the CPM tag is supposed to reflect what we say, not what your opinion is. So use an alt if you want to express your opinion.
My alts also get a CPM tag. So I'm told.
In this thread, I'm not speaking as a CPM, I'm speaking as a player. (Something I am likely to do a lot, since, you know, I play the game too.) I am also reading, and keeping some concept of the pulse of public opinion on the matter, which is the part that's useful for CPM stuff.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.08.06 22:05:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Because when you speak on the forums with the CPM tag you are first and foremost a council member.
This is not true. Plenty of posts CPM members have made in the past have nothing to do with the CPM. If my corp declares war on another, and I announce it on the forums, am I speaking as a CPM member? Or am I speaking as a member of my corp?
Thumb Green wrote:And I never said they couldn't have their own opinions; just that they shouldn't be posting them with the CPM tag.
We literally can only post with the CPM tag. It's not a checkbox. So either we're allowed to have personal opinions or we're not. I don't think they really want CPM members doing alt posting, especially since alt posting is technically a bannable offense in some areas of the forums.
Thumb Green wrote:Excuse me for trying to take the CPM role seriously (foolish me, I know). We can't judge them based on when they are addressing CCP because most of that is shrouded in a NDA so we rarely get to witness what they actually advocate to CCP. So it's best that whenever they speak with the CPM tag that what they say reflects what that tag represents. Just as it would in the real world.
As a trivia answer: In terms of respec, the big question for me, is whether or not support for it reaches a certain threshold. The last respec offered was done because the respec feedback thread went into like... triple digit pages. There's always demands for respecs like.... every single patch. People should not get respecs every single patch.
So the question is when there's an exceptional demand for respecs. So, such, I am watching the thread.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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