The bonus is great but you're basically a scout without the scout bonuses. Unless they changed it? When it comes to speed it's the best, but for assaulting I would categorize it as a scout style assault.

As to your first point:

If we want to take the game specific complaint route. Protostomping is selfish, why don't we discourage that too?

2nd point:

The world as a whole doesn't care about what adversity you underwent in your fictional world. But, objectively from a game design perspective, this isn't a popular concept, hence as I point out the fact that Eve has always been irrelevant to the gaming world except for nerds to watch the super nerds chimp out in their space mmo and laugh at them for being so delusional and putting so much effort into nothing. People aren't wowed that one guy will rip off a corporation for what others would pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for. They are wowed that Eve players would value it at hundreds of thousands of dollars. Punishing players for playing your game by changing the rules arbitrarily doesn't make it a good game. That makes it the opposite of a good game. Eve like I said, has survived by simply being a space MMO in a market where space MMOs don't exist. This is changing though as people have gotten sick of the cookie cutter fantasy MMO games and more exploration of mechanics and themes are coming with better technology. Hence why CCP is finally scrambling after a decade of milking Eve to branch out.

3rd point:

This is literally said by everyone who has ever played a mmo and is not a unique experience that only Eve brings. You just experienced it through Eve.

1.1. Now explain where you feel you needed to know when I said after uprising gallente has been fine?

Assuming you are probably going to be like YEAH ***** I WAS IN BETA! It still doesn't refute any of the facts I laid out or excuse any of your bullshit.

And as for mudslinging you said you had a bad kd/r not me. I only said you having a bad kd/r doesn't only mean you must be UP. It can also mean you're bad. I refute the notion that Gallente has been UP since uprising began. I explained thoroughly why while you tried to attack my age and make claims that I refuted like the AR being bad. Mudslinging is what you have been failing at. This whole gallente thing sprang from you claiming that you had been nerfed and you didn't mind. You hadn't been nerfed. Not like some of the other play styles like speed tanking and shield tanking. Brick tanking has been the most solid strategy across all of uprising.

First Point: Fair Point.

Second Point: Not true at all. If you have ever been an Eve player before for at least a year, you will see that Eve Online didn't survive because it was a space MMO. EA's Earth & Beyond was around back when CCP's Eve came out. Almost everyone predicted Eve Online will crumble under the weight of EA's might. Several years later, EA announced the closure of the Earth & Beyond servers and ultimately the game itself. Keep in mind that at the time, CCP started off with its office being something like an apartment while EA had a whole headquarters. I'm still trying to wrap my head around what happened. But that's not why Eve survived. Eve survived because of it is the only game in which you can do otherwise-illegal **** and still get away with it because technically you "didn't break any rules". There is also the fact that Eve Online has introduced an MMO economic model that is so self-sustainable and successful that Guild Wars 2 borrowed part of its model in an attempt to emulate that success. Also, if you go to college and study economics or social science, you may have seen some students bring up Eve Online as part of their essays or topics. This is because many colleges and universities look at Eve Online as a social and economic experiment.

Final Point: I guess you're right about that.

Okay, so you were around for the release of the other rifles. Check this

They were bad in 1.7 I did mention that early on, but I believed that was irrelevant as everything infantry was overshadowed by tank supremacy then. They fixed it in 1.8.

HAHAHA!!!! You're playing a game that is just about dead and will probably last another year and you want a respec? HAHAHAHAHALOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!

Pathetic fools...

Dude I don't think you get it.....a game isn't dead until the last players sign off or the servers go down..... while Dust certainly isn't thriving or meeting its original goals in any way shape or form..... its certainly not dead...

I mean even Demon's Souls was active until this time last year, and even with low player counts it still had a cult player base of loyal fans.

It's not like I got in a tank. I played infantry, it's what I like.
<-- being civil now
My point is that people picked up the Burst AR for a long range assault rifle and then the combat rifle came out. Shouldn't the guy in the Minmatar Assault Suit get the Combat Rifle he would have used if the game were finished?

I bet if Legion where to have an election majority of the voters would have been eve players who would rampage at the mere idea of respecs existing...

Because when you speak on the forums with the CPM tag you are first and foremost a council member.

And I never said they couldn't have their own opinions; just that they shouldn't be posting them with the CPM tag.

Excuse me for trying to take the CPM role seriously (foolish me, I know). We can't judge them based on when they are addressing CCP because most of that is shrouded in a NDA so we rarely get to witness what they actually advocate to CCP. So it's best that whenever they speak with the CPM tag that what they say reflects what that tag represents. Just as it would in the real world.

This is not true. Plenty of posts CPM members have made in the past have nothing to do with the CPM. If my corp declares war on another, and I announce it on the forums, am I speaking as a CPM member? Or am I speaking as a member of my corp?



We literally can only post with the CPM tag. It's not a checkbox. So either we're allowed to have personal opinions or we're not. I don't think they really want CPM members doing alt posting, especially since alt posting is technically a bannable offense in some areas of the forums.



As a trivia answer: In terms of respec, the big question for me, is whether or not support for it reaches a certain threshold. The last respec offered was done because the respec feedback thread went into like... triple digit pages. There's always demands for respecs like.... every single patch. People should not get respecs every single patch.

So the question is when there's an exceptional demand for respecs. So, such, I am watching the thread.

Eh, I'm all for a Respec. Does it even matter anymore? The game is dying, SP WON'T transfer to Legion. People are getting bored, let them start over. Personally, I don't need a respec I made three characters before this one to know where to put my points. Only thing I would do with a respec would be to spec out of the RR.

Do you mean a respec as in full refund of ALL skill points?
Or do you just mean partial refunds of certain parts of the skill tree?

Please don't confuse the two. A respec is NEVER partial, so asking for a respec is asking for ALL skill points to be refunded.

As to the second point:
I hadn't heard of Earth and Beyond I'll have to look it up but if I had to guess EA was probably being ****. Because although I am ragging on CCP EA by far takes the shittiest business practices for a game company to have award and has been blowing competitors out of the water since the sims 1. So it won't suprise me if EA failed at that. Though I do agree the do whatever concept is a huge appeal they aren't the only game doing this and they weren't back then either. They aren't the only ones who have done this although they are for a space mmo. There's been a lot of MMO's out there and i'd say for one, Voyage Century was like that as well except it was a piracy naval game as opposed to space.

I don't know what you mean by their economic model, but if its related to microtransactions started in the late 90s. If its subscription likewise, and hybrids likewise. If you could let me know what is special about Eves economic model though I'm all ears.

Also as to it being a topic of social science and economics, so is WoW and most MMOs. again it comes back to my third point, these things weren't unique to Eve, you just experienced them through Eve. Take it from someone that's been playing and has played many MMOs over the past 12 years.

I stayed away from Eve for the reasons Ive been lambasting it. Arbitrary bullshit like punishing me for them changing things around. This isn't even remotely standard for MMOs. Most if not all devs have the sense to reimburse their player base with a respec except CCP. I play Dust because it was free. I don't believe in the whole early access pre order **** and I never pay for a game unless I am happy with its development. This game was never a finished product in my eyes and likewise I wipe my brow that I stuck to my guns and didn't believe them. Its the same reason I stay away from kickstarter **** too. If they will make something good they need to do it up front, sadly too many companies and individuals including CCP take it for granted and cut and run after taking essentially cloud funding. It's not illegal but I don't think it should be supported. Just like its not illegal to scam people in Eve, still doesn't mean I'm going to walk into a scam.

Uhm, I don't know you. I know you recently got elected in this whole CPM thing. I have never seen, or at least don't remeber, any previous posts of you.
To me, you are part of this CPM Board. Whatever you post seems to have more merit or more importance and definitely more weight PURELY because of the CPM tag. From the moment you got that tag you received authority and responsibility. Everything you say comes with the CPM tag included. You should realise you can't post in the same way like you used to. I don't know what type of job or position you have IRL but it's the same thing. You can't be a leader of a group or have more responsibility and act the exact same as those below you. This causes some sort of friction or annoyance somewhere and in the end only hurts you and your position. Basic leadership knowledge really...

http://dustsearch.com/search/author/Soraya_Xel/page/100 not a prolific than my posting but significant enough.

I have never heard of Voyage Century so I can't say anything about that.

You misunderstood me. Not that kind of model. I'm talking about full-blown player-run economy. CCP does have a PLEX system in place that allows Eve players to extend their subscriptions with ISK while allowing players to sell PLEX for ISK, but that's only part of what I'm talking about. The economic model I'm mainly referring to is the secondary market which also has an extremely complex and vast industry system where players harvest resources, use resources to manufacture goods, and then sell those goods to other players which eventually get destroyed in pvp confrontations. It has its own cycle. I don't know how it is in WoW because I never played the game, but Eve Online did get the award for best mmo economy of 2012 and that's just two years ago which is still somewhat recent when you look at Eve's age.

I have heard that WoW has its own auction house and craft system, but I'm also told that WoW separates the servers from each other so any wealth you have in one server won't translate well in other servers. Eve Online on the other hand has everything in one server and so any impact on one region economically will effect other regions both directly and indirectly. I know this about Eve because I'm an experienced marketeer and I have skills in industry.

I still want a skill point refund on the light weapon and sidearms skill trees, because they're all sorts of screwed up. If we're getting a pistol rework in delta, I definitely want it in that patch if not in charlie.

I think this is the bare minimum acceptable SP refund. Delta is slated to have some sidearm balancing. Hopefully the entire Weaponry tree will receive a refund.

I disagree with you on that Ripley. I only want a refund for the rifles and pistols because they have reached racial parity and have not as of yet been refunded. I don't think we need a remote explosive or a grenade skill point refund, in the same way we don't need a heavy weapons refund.

Fair points.

And I don't believe we have reached racial parity with light weapons or sidearms. We still lack three racial melee weapons, the other sniper rifles, etc.

Dear CPM1,

Hotfix Charlie is shaping up to make assaults not suck quite so badly, scouts are being tweaked, and word has it logi/sentinels are on the agenda for Delta. Dozens of minor and major changes are taking place all over Dust 514. ****, I mean, we are about to have nova knives capable of destroying HAV's for chrissakes. Don't you think it is about time we sent a message to CCP that we need a respec? You are our advocates. You have CCP's ear.

I'm asking politely and I'm open to hear your arguments against it... though I have heard many MANY arguments against it and none of them have convinced me yet.

Sincerely,
Ripley

P.S. Judge Rhadamanthus, please sign my titty.