A shotgun on a Gallente Assault is not dodging the nerf hammer... I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I'll tell you one thing though. Just by looking at my kdr I can tell you that even though I've been playing since early Uprising, I'm not making any victims of the newer players.

You are correct it doesn't; what it does mean is you do it without the CPM tag. Because what you say with the CPM tag is supposed to reflect what we say, not what your opinion is. So use an alt if you want to express your opinion.

Congratulations on being rich. Too bad I don't care at all. Paid respecs are simply a way to squeeze money out of a free game. There shouldn't be any respecs what-so-ever save for when major changes to the game happen. (Despite what the new monetization director says)

Paid respecs would be fine so long as we create a cooldown between respecs. Someone should not be allowed to respec every 60 - 90 days, but 180+ sounds more fair. Hell, even inact an "SP tax": you pay for a respec but suffer a 10% total SP loss.

Good ideas m8. I would actually be alright with respecs implemented in this way. What I am afraid of with monetized respecs is that a few people (see isk farming/EVE timecodes/WoW gold farming) will respec every other day, while the rest of us are playing a game with consequences.

Ripley, regarding Kevall's comments, I don't believe racial parity has any bearing on need for respecs. Racial gear differences rarely matter much more than lore. And new stuff is added to online games all the time.

Equip shotgun to a militia gallente or any other racial light frame... profit...

You thinking you were nerfed and you being actually nerfed aren't the same. You having a bad kd/r also doesn't mean you were nerfed. That can also mean that you are bad.

If you are new to this game and you try to climb one suit to proto ASAP you got bad advice. The guys doshing out that advice were not fighting players with 50mil sp when they were starting. You won't be able to fund it and You are too new and too late to spec specifically into one type of suit anyways. You are just going to get railroaded every match by the proto stompers who are specced in everything and can simply counter you. You will probably get railroaded anyways but that's what this game is about now. You are better off getting basic gear to be flexible at this point and learning to hard counter and outsmart them.

Brick tanks giving you problems, even a MLT forge will sort that out, they can't move out of the way. Speed tanks giving you guff, invest a small amount of SP into heavy machine guns and spam a minmitar militia heavy with a machine gun.

P.S. I use all rifles and AR has its place, which is close up. The LR and RR aren't going to do **** if you are any good at aiming in CQC. The CR will win against your armor focused suit for sure but that's the draw back. I don't whine that I can't beat ScRs when they pretty much insta gib my shields. AR is still amazing at mowing down Caldari and Minmitar it's just more popular to armor tank since it's easier and therefor makes the AR seem inferior.

My alts also get a CPM tag. So I'm told.

In this thread, I'm not speaking as a CPM, I'm speaking as a player. (Something I am likely to do a lot, since, you know, I play the game too.) I am also reading, and keeping some concept of the pulse of public opinion on the matter, which is the part that's useful for CPM stuff.

Then how about you equip a militia combat rifle to any militia medium frame? Seriously, dude, just decide to say I'm bad at the game because "you can tell". I like my role, too bad it doesn't play like it should, and guess what. I didn't bring that up on these forums until you assumed I was a Combat Rifle Caldari Scout. Go find a cause rebel.

Well then tell CCP to remove the CPM tag from your alt if that's the case. Because when you speak on the forums with the CPM tag you are first and foremost a council member.

Oh sure, make it even quicker for Gen Tso's, NF, and all those bastards to switch directly over to Amarr Scout with max scan precision and range. Plus any other jackass who wants to be FOTM.

The people who are interested in FotM fittings have already banked SP prior to the update, I can almost guarantee it. That will happen if we are given a respec or not.

I think you are being a bit overzealous. Soraya can post his/her opinions with a CPM tag, so long he/she is still being a player advocate when addressing CCP.

Excuse me for trying to take the CPM role seriously (foolish me, I know). We can't judge them based on when they are addressing CCP because most of that is shrouded in a NDA so we rarely get to witness what they actually advocate to CCP. So it's best that whenever they speak with the CPM tag that what they say reflects what that tag represents. Just as it would in the real world.

the reason you and other Gallente rpers think the AR is so bad is because armor tanking is more popular which AR is less efficient against.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Gallente has never been a bad choice since uprising, that was my point.

Don't complain about me questioning if you're a scrub if you talk about doing scrub things as being imbalanced.

You whined that a shotgun was bad on a gallente assault. You shouldn't be putting shotguns on any suit but a light frame.

You are correct it doesn't; what it does mean is you do it without the CPM tag. Because what you say with the CPM tag is supposed to reflect what we say, not what your opinion is. So use an alt if you want to express your opinion.

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I'm still of the opinion that there should only be a respec offered under the following conditions:

1. One free (one time only) respect offered after graduating from the academy as a new player and after you have been given all of the tools to best understand what each skill book does and which suits benefit from which. A Legion version of Eve Online's ISIS (Interbus Ship Identification System) does this job perfectly. No need for respecs if everything is explained to you on day one.

2. Whenever CCP removes skill books or restructures part or all of the skill tree affected. Only the SP invested in those parts affected should be refunded.

3. Whenever CCP introduces racial parity later on down the line like they did with the Scouts and Heavies. However, this is best avoided by introducing all of the racial variants of everything at once on day one.

Beyond that, asking for respecs just because you want to try something different is just being selfish.

What are you smoking? It has the least amount of kick of all the rifles aside from the Laser rifle... it has the lowest range as it was supposed to be the CQC rifle. It has the highest damage per shot of an automatic variant aside from the assault scrambler which is on par damage wise with a massive dispersion when hip fired to boot. It has lower RPM but it also has a larger magazine then the Combat Rifle and a different damage profile. The gun is fine as it is you just are trying to use it in roles it wasn't intended for if you think it's UP.

I'm done arguing though, you're just going to keep throwing bullshit out for me to refute and then backpedal and redirect as you keep doing.

...k. have fun squirt

Yeah I thought as much, ran out of bullshit.

Answer my first question. What build did you start playing this game? Instead of only slinging mud.

Also, this is an internet clone murder simulator council of psychopaths, not the Senate. Relax son, gotdayum.

but CPM is allowed to have opinions on things. They must still represent us; if you notice they are not putting forward ideas and opinions that align with yours then don't vote for them next time.

What about when they rework the layout of suits? Is that something we were supposed to know was coming with our crystal balls? How is it selfish to be annoyed by them editing values altering the viability that you bought into?

People asked that same question in Eve Online. Whole ships have had their slot layouts and bonuses completely changed over the course of the previous 11 years that Eve has been around. So far, no respecs were ever handed out since 2003. At least besides that one respec that was given during the launch of the game. Below is a list of changes made to the ships when Kronos launched this year. So far, hardly anyone asked for a respec and everyone quickly adapted within the week after release without any respecs handed out.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-kronos

This wasn't the first such change either. Again, ships were overhauled over the course of 11 years.

And I never said they couldn't have their own opinions; just that they shouldn't be posting them with the CPM tag. The only way we can determine if they are representing us is by what they say to us.

Now explain where this whole Eve not getting respecs because CCP is against it thing makes players selfish for wanting a redo when **** gets changed and CCP arbitrarily wastes their time. I get it, CCP is a douchey company didn't take long after seeing what happened to dust over time to know that. Explain though why this somehow makes it okay if Eve gets shafted the same way?

Key word would be arbitrary here. This is a game, why do people pride the New Eden community on being ****** exactly? Explain why this is an accomplishment? Its a virtual world that doesn't mean anything. Just because people give their lives away to Eve will never change the fact that it is still just a game.

Noted. What's terrible about it exactly? The assault bonus for them looks appropriate for their weapon list.

I've been rolling Caldari assault since launch day and I have enjoyed it a lot. I think our reload speed bonus is subpar, but it's a shitton better than Gallente assault (which I hear is bugged and/or next to useless with their weapon list).

Your first point: Because respecs encourage FoTM chasing. FoTM chasers are selfish by nature.

Your second point: Because in Eve Online, we have been conditioned to never rely on respecs. We have been given all of the tools needed to adapt to any change CCP throws at us. If Legion were to get those same tools, then respecs will become unnecessary.

Your final point: Many of us like Eve with a passion because of how we affected it during its development with the help of the CSM. But it's not just that. Eve also gave us the sense of camaraderie with the community especially since many players who are worlds apart gather together in person during Fanfest, EveVages, etc. We like to know each other in person in addition to in-game. Many of the CCP Devs even use to start off as Eve subscribers before they got hired because of their skills in programming. We know it's just a game. We just choose to treat is more than that. If you don't like that, the door is that way.