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I don't think respecs are going to be likely for the same reason protostomping will not stop.
Beta players are assholes. Not all, but most seem to be. They do not care that, of those that didn't flat out quit, many of the newer players without stupid amounts of SP get wrecked through months of investments by these sudden changes per patch that completely change your choices. It's never been about living with choices or FOTM, that's just the excuse. It's always been about feeling good by seniority, because since you have been around longer you should be able to punish new players with your handicap. Or at least, that's the logic. It's like that one kid who would gloat every time he won in a video game, card game, board game that he knew more about and whine like a little ***** when the playing field became more level.
That is the major appeal of this game and is also the reason its had a **** poor player retention past beta. Most the new guys that say, "Well I did okay," dodged the nerfhammers by pure chance. You don't hear a lot from the new guys that got slapped with the nerfhammers because they quit playing along with the other couple hundred thousand to a million that picked this game up, found out what it was about, and dropped it. |
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Posted - 2014.08.06 18:07:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:I don't think respecs are going to be likely for the same reason protostomping will not happen.
Beta players are assholes. Not all, but most seem to be. They do not care that, of those that didn't flat out quit, many of the newer players without stupid amounts of SP get wrecked through months of investments by these sudden changes per patch that completely change your choices. It's never been about living with choices or FOTM, that's just the excuse. It's always been about feeling like since you have been around longer you should be able to punish new players with your handicap.
That is the major appeal of this game and is also the reason its had a **** poor player retention past beta. Most the new guys that say, "Well I did okay," dodged the nerfhammers by pure chance. You don't hear a lot from the new guys that got slapped with the nerfhammers because they quit playing along with the other couple hundred thousand to a million that picked this game up found out what it was about and dropped it. I have all of my points for my light weapon invested in the Assault Rifle, Plasma Cannon, and the Shotgun. I don't complain one bit.
Highlighted the response from your type that I already knew was coming, lol. |
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Posted - 2014.08.06 18:18:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Topher Mellen wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:I don't think respecs are going to be likely for the same reason protostomping will not happen.
Beta players are assholes. Not all, but most seem to be. They do not care that, of those that didn't flat out quit, many of the newer players without stupid amounts of SP get wrecked through months of investments by these sudden changes per patch that completely change your choices. It's never been about living with choices or FOTM, that's just the excuse. It's always been about feeling like since you have been around longer you should be able to punish new players with your handicap.
That is the major appeal of this game and is also the reason its had a **** poor player retention past beta. Most the new guys that say, "Well I did okay," dodged the nerfhammers by pure chance. You don't hear a lot from the new guys that got slapped with the nerfhammers because they quit playing along with the other couple hundred thousand to a million that picked this game up found out what it was about and dropped it. I have all of my points for my light weapon invested in the Assault Rifle, Plasma Cannon, and the Shotgun. I don't complain one bit. Highlighted the response from your type that I already knew was coming, lol. You call my primary weapon being the Assault Rifle dodging the nerf hammer? When did you start playing exactly?
Uprising to 1.6- AR was good Uprising 1.7- 0sp investment Tanks were king Uprising 1.8- Shotgun is good
I define dodging the nerfhammer as always being viable. We aren't even going to address the fact that I'm guessing you are Gallente and haven't undergone the dropsuit rollercoaster that shield based minmitar and Caldari have gone through since uprising. AR and Scramblers had shield affinity. Armor got buffed and shields got nerfed. Gallente is still good even now and hotfix charlie will improve them while Caldari is getting nerfed again in the heavy class, because Caldari heavies were so OP......
Like I said read what I highlighted. |
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Posted - 2014.08.06 18:31:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Uprising to 1.6- AR was good Uprising 1.7- 0sp investment Tanks were king. Anything else about 1.7 was completely overshadowed by the fact that all you needed was Tank control to win. Uprising 1.8- Shotgun is good
I define dodging the nerfhammer as always being viable. We haven't even addressed the fact that I'm guessing you are Gallente and haven't undergone the dropsuit rollercoaster that shield based minmitar and Caldari have gone through since uprising. AR and Scramblers had shield affinity. Armor got buffed and shields got nerfed. Gallente is still good even now and hotfix charlie will improve them while Caldari is getting nerfed again in the heavy class, because Caldari heavies were so OP......
Like I said read what I highlighted. A shotgun on a Gallente Assault is not dodging the nerf hammer... I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I'll tell you one thing though. Just by looking at my kdr I can tell you that even though I've been playing since early Uprising, I'm not making any victims of the newer players.
Equip shotgun to a militia gallente or any other racial light frame... profit...
You thinking you were nerfed and you being actually nerfed aren't the same. You having a bad kd/r also doesn't mean you were nerfed. That can also mean that you are bad.
If you are new to this game and you try to climb one suit to proto ASAP you got bad advice. The guys doshing out that advice were not fighting players with 50mil sp when they were starting. You won't be able to fund it and You are too new and too late to spec specifically into one type of suit anyways. You are just going to get railroaded every match by the proto stompers who are specced in everything and can simply counter you. You will probably get railroaded anyways but that's what this game is about now. You are better off getting basic gear to be flexible at this point and learning to hard counter and outsmart them.
Brick tanks giving you problems, even a MLT forge will sort that out, they can't move out of the way. Speed tanks giving you guff, invest a small amount of SP into heavy machine guns and spam a minmitar militia heavy with a machine gun. |
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Posted - 2014.08.06 19:05:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Topher Mellen wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Uprising to 1.6- AR was good Uprising 1.7- 0sp investment Tanks were king. Anything else about 1.7 was completely overshadowed by the fact that all you needed was Tank control to win. Uprising 1.8- Shotgun is good
I define dodging the nerfhammer as always being viable. We haven't even addressed the fact that I'm guessing you are Gallente and haven't undergone the dropsuit rollercoaster that shield based minmitar and Caldari have gone through since uprising. AR and Scramblers had shield affinity. Armor got buffed and shields got nerfed. Gallente is still good even now and hotfix charlie will improve them while Caldari is getting nerfed again in the heavy class, because Caldari heavies were so OP......
Like I said read what I highlighted. A shotgun on a Gallente Assault is not dodging the nerf hammer... I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I'll tell you one thing though. Just by looking at my kdr I can tell you that even though I've been playing since early Uprising, I'm not making any victims of the newer players. Equip shotgun to a militia gallente or any other racial light frame... profit... You thinking you were nerfed and you being actually nerfed aren't the same. You having a bad kd/r also doesn't mean you were nerfed. That can also mean that you are bad. If you are new to this game and you try to climb one suit to proto ASAP you got bad advice. The guys doshing out that advice were not fighting players with 50mil sp when they were starting. You won't be able to fund it and You are too new and too late to spec specifically into one type of suit anyways. You are just going to get railroaded every match by the proto stompers who are specced in everything and can simply counter you. You will probably get railroaded anyways but that's what this game is about now. You are better off getting basic gear to be flexible at this point and learning to hard counter and outsmart them. Brick tanks giving you problems, even a MLT forge will sort that out, they can't move out of the way. Speed tanks giving you guff, invest a small amount of SP into heavy machine guns and spam a minmitar militia heavy with a machine gun. P.S. I use all rifles and AR has its place, which is close up. The LR and RR aren't going to do **** if you are any good at aiming in CQC. The CR will win against your armor focused suit for sure but that's the draw back. I don't whine that I can't beat ScRs when they pretty much insta gib my shields. AR is still amazing at mowing down Caldari and Minmitar it's just more popular to armor tank since it's easier and therefor makes the AR seem inferior. Then how about you equip a militia combat rifle to any militia medium frame? Seriously, dude, just decide to say I'm bad at the game because "you can tell". I like my role, too bad it doesn't play like it should, and guess what. I didn't bring that up on these forums until you assumed I was a Combat Rifle Caldari Scout. Go find a cause rebel.
I said you could be bad because you implied you had a low kd/r. Gallente has never been a bad choice since uprising, that was my point. I never liked Gallente because I prefer shield tanking. That said armor tanking hasn't gone through the same ****, and again the reason you and other Gallente rpers think the AR is so bad is because armor tanking is more popular which AR is less efficient against. Assault scramblers aren't popular either for the same reason but you don't hear people screaming its UP. I said you dodged the nerfhammer because you have dodged the nerfhammer, you just think you are worse off as you haven't explored other builds. You have no idea what you are talking about. For instance, how good do you think a 600 shield and 450 armor fatty is going to be with no passive rep? Well that's coming down the pipe for Caldari. You whined that a shotgun was bad on a gallente assault. You shouldn't be putting shotguns on any suit but a light frame. Don't complain about me questioning if you're a scrub if you talk about doing scrub things as being imbalanced. |
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Posted - 2014.08.06 19:46:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:Makingshitup.jpg.
What are you smoking? It has the least amount of kick of all the rifles aside from the Laser rifle... it has the lowest range as it was supposed to be the CQC rifle. It has the highest damage per shot of an automatic variant aside from the assault scrambler which is on par damage wise with a massive dispersion when hip fired to boot. It has lower RPM but it also has a larger magazine then the Combat Rifle and a different damage profile. The gun is fine as it is you just are trying to use it in roles it wasn't intended for if you think it's UP.
I'm done arguing though, you're just going to keep throwing bullshit out for me to refute and then backpedal and redirect as you keep doing. |
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Posted - 2014.08.06 19:49:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:I'm still of the opinion that there should only be a respec offered under the following conditions:
1. One free (one time only) respect offered after graduating from the academy as a new player and after you have been given all of the tools to best understand what each skill book does and which suits benefit from which. A Legion version of Eve Online's ISIS (Interbus Ship Identification System) does this job perfectly. No need for respecs if everything is explained to you on day one.
2. Whenever CCP removes skill books or restructures part or all of the skill tree affected. Only the SP invested in those parts affected should be refunded.
3. Whenever CCP introduces racial parity later on down the line like they did with the Scouts and Heavies. However, this is best avoided by introducing all of the racial variants of everything at once on day one.
Beyond that, asking for respecs just because you want to try something different is just being selfish.
What about when they rework the layout of suits? Is that something we were supposed to know was coming with our crystal balls? How is it selfish to be annoyed by them editing values altering the viability that you bought into? |
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Posted - 2014.08.06 19:54:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Topher Mellen wrote:Makingshitup.jpg. What are you smoking? It has the least amount of kick of all the rifles aside from the Laser rifle... it has the lowest range as it was supposed to be the CQC rifle. It has the highest damage per shot of an automatic variant aside from the assault scrambler which is on par damage wise with a massive dispersion when hip fired to boot. It has lower RPM but it also has a larger magazine then the Combat Rifle and a different damage profile. The gun is fine as it is you just are trying to use it in roles it wasn't intended for if you think it's UP. I'm done arguing though, you're just going to keep throwing bullshit out for me to refute and then backpedal and redirect as you keep doing. ...k. have fun squirt
Yeah I thought as much, ran out of bullshit. |
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Posted - 2014.08.06 19:56:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Topher Mellen wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Topher Mellen wrote:Makingshitup.jpg. What are you smoking? It has the least amount of kick of all the rifles aside from the Laser rifle... it has the lowest range as it was supposed to be the CQC rifle. It has the highest damage per shot of an automatic variant aside from the assault scrambler which is on par damage wise with a massive dispersion when hip fired to boot. It has lower RPM but it also has a larger magazine then the Combat Rifle and a different damage profile. The gun is fine as it is you just are trying to use it in roles it wasn't intended for if you think it's UP. I'm done arguing though, you're just going to keep throwing bullshit out for me to refute and then backpedal and redirect as you keep doing. ...k. have fun squirt Yeah I thought as much, ran out of bullshit. Answer my first question. What build did you start playing this game? Instead of only slinging mud.
1.1. Now explain where you feel you needed to know when I said after uprising gallente has been fine?
Assuming you are probably going to be like YEAH ***** I WAS IN BETA! It still doesn't refute any of the facts I laid out or excuse any of your bullshit.
And as for mudslinging you said you had a bad kd/r not me. I only said you having a bad kd/r doesn't only mean you must be UP. It can also mean you're bad. I refute the notion that Gallente has been UP since uprising began. I explained thoroughly why while you tried to attack my age and make claims that I refuted like the AR being bad. Mudslinging is what you have been failing at. |
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Posted - 2014.08.06 20:20:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:I'm still of the opinion that there should only be a respec offered under the following conditions:
1. One free (one time only) respect offered after graduating from the academy as a new player and after you have been given all of the tools to best understand what each skill book does and which suits benefit from which. A Legion version of Eve Online's ISIS (Interbus Ship Identification System) does this job perfectly. No need for respecs if everything is explained to you on day one.
2. Whenever CCP removes skill books or restructures part or all of the skill tree affected. Only the SP invested in those parts affected should be refunded.
3. Whenever CCP introduces racial parity later on down the line like they did with the Scouts and Heavies. However, this is best avoided by introducing all of the racial variants of everything at once on day one.
Beyond that, asking for respecs just because you want to try something different is just being selfish. What about when they rework the layout of suits? Is that something we were supposed to know was coming with our crystal balls? How is it selfish to be annoyed by them editing values altering the viability that you bought into? People asked that same question in Eve Online. Whole ships have had their slot layouts and bonuses completely changed over the course of the previous 11 years that Eve has been around. So far, no respecs were ever handed out since 2003. At least besides that one respec that was given during the launch of the game. Below is a list of changes made to the ships when Kronos launched this year. So far, hardly anyone asked for a respec and everyone quickly adapted within the week after release without any respecs handed out. http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-kronosThis wasn't the first such change either. Again, ships were overhauled over the course of 11 years.
Now explain where this whole Eve not getting respecs because CCP is against it thing makes players selfish for wanting a redo when **** gets changed and CCP arbitrarily wastes their time. I get it, CCP is a douchey company didn't take long after seeing what happened to dust over time to know that. Explain though why this somehow makes it okay if Eve gets shafted the same way?
Key word would be arbitrary here. This is a game, why do people pride the New Eden community on being ****** exactly? Explain why this is an accomplishment? Its a virtual world that doesn't mean anything. Just because people give their lives away to Eve will never change the fact that it is still just a game.
It's a **** thing to do that CCP has as you address always done that there is no real reason to do when they could of let people respec. But they must live with their consequences! It's a ******* game, made for having fun, what consequences does a game really have that isn't ultimately solved by the consumer saying no eat a **** and choosing another company.
The only reason CCP has survived so long is because no other company has decided to make a space mmo but there are several down the pipeline coming that will render Eve irrelevant, hence CCPs scramble to put out all these add-on games. Eve has never been WoW. I don't think it can survive on loyalty alone in a field of zero competition. Especially if they aren't priding themselves on being assholes like CCP does and Blizzard did not. |
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Posted - 2014.08.06 20:46:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:
Your first point: Because respecs encourage FoTM chasing. FoTM chasers are selfish by nature.
Your second point: Because in Eve Online, we have been conditioned to never rely on respecs. We have been given all of the tools needed to adapt to any change CCP throws at us. If Legion were to get those same tools, then respecs will become unnecessary.
Your final point: Many of us like Eve with a passion because of how we affected it during its development with the help of the CSM. But it's not just that. Eve also gave us the sense of camaraderie with the community especially since many players who are worlds apart gather together in person during Fanfest, EveVages, etc. We like to know each other in person in addition to in-game. Many of the CCP Devs even use to start off as Eve subscribers before they got hired because of their skills in programming. We know it's just a game. We just choose to treat is more than that. If you don't like that, the door is that way.
Here just putting this copy paste since you quoted after I edited after more thought:
Now explain where this whole Eve not getting respecs because CCP is against it thing makes players selfish for wanting a redo when **** gets changed and CCP arbitrarily wastes their time. I get it, CCP is a douchey company didn't take long after seeing what happened to dust over time to know that. Explain though why this somehow makes it okay if Eve gets shafted the same way?
Key word would be arbitrary here. This is a game, why do people pride the New Eden community on being ****** exactly? Explain why this is an accomplishment? Its a virtual world that doesn't mean anything. Just because people give their lives away to Eve will never change the fact that it is still just a game.
It's a **** thing to do that CCP has as you address always done that there is no real reason to do when they could of let people respec. But they must live with their consequences! It's a ******* game, made for having fun, what consequences does a game really have that isn't ultimately solved by the consumer saying no eat a **** and choosing another company.
The only reason CCP has survived so long is because no other company has decided to make a space mmo but there are several down the pipeline coming that will render Eve irrelevant, hence CCPs scramble to put out all these add-on games like Valkyrie and Dust er... Legion. Eve has never been WoW. I don't think it can survive on loyalty alone from a field of zero competition. Especially if they aren't priding themselves on being assholes like CCP does and Blizzard did not.
People still play Everquest 1 and Ultima Online, I don't have their budgets of course but I'm pretty sure the people that still run servers aren't making much, if the servers are even paying for themselves... Eve will go the same way especially when they are trying to turn players off of New Eden with arbitrary rules designed to frustrate.
As to your first point:
If we want to take the game specific complaint route. Protostomping is selfish, why don't we discourage that too?
2nd point:
The world as a whole doesn't care about what adversity you underwent in your fictional world. But, objectively from a game design perspective, this isn't a popular concept, hence as I point out the fact that Eve has always been irrelevant to the gaming world except for nerds to watch the super nerds chimp out in their space mmo and laugh at them for being so delusional and putting so much effort into nothing. People aren't wowed that one guy will rip off a corporation for what others would pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for. They are wowed that Eve players would value it at hundreds of thousands of dollars. Punishing players for playing your game by changing the rules arbitrarily doesn't make it a good game. That makes it the opposite of a good game. Eve like I said, has survived by simply being a space MMO in a market where space MMOs don't exist. This is changing though as people have gotten sick of the cookie cutter fantasy MMO games and more exploration of mechanics are coming with better technology. Hence why CCP is finally scrambling after a decade of milking Eve to branch out.
3rd point:
This is literally said by everyone who has ever played a mmo and is not a unique experience that only Eve brings. You just experienced it through Eve. |
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:I know.. They all suck, but amarr is fun to dink around with.. Stay away from minmatar it's terrible. I don't mean lore wise I mean the fitting is yeah it's something.. Noted. What's terrible about it exactly? The assault bonus for them looks appropriate for their weapon list. I've been rolling Caldari assault since launch day and I have enjoyed it a lot. I think our reload speed bonus is subpar, but it's a shitton better than Gallente assault (which I hear is bugged and/or next to useless with their weapon list). The bonus is great but you're basically a scout without the scout bonuses. Unless they changed it? When it comes to speed it's the best, but for assaulting I would categorize it as a scout style assault.
It's always been that way, its why I left the minmitar line up. Because it was the most influenced by speed tanking which became pretty meh when AA was fixed and hit detection was improved. |
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Maken Tosch wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:As to your first point:
If we want to take the game specific complaint route. Protostomping is selfish, why don't we discourage that too?
2nd point:
The world as a whole doesn't care about what adversity you underwent in your fictional world. But, objectively from a game design perspective, this isn't a popular concept, hence as I point out the fact that Eve has always been irrelevant to the gaming world except for nerds to watch the super nerds chimp out in their space mmo and laugh at them for being so delusional and putting so much effort into nothing. People aren't wowed that one guy will rip off a corporation for what others would pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for. They are wowed that Eve players would value it at hundreds of thousands of dollars. Punishing players for playing your game by changing the rules arbitrarily doesn't make it a good game. That makes it the opposite of a good game. Eve like I said, has survived by simply being a space MMO in a market where space MMOs don't exist. This is changing though as people have gotten sick of the cookie cutter fantasy MMO games and more exploration of mechanics and themes are coming with better technology. Hence why CCP is finally scrambling after a decade of milking Eve to branch out.
3rd point:
This is literally said by everyone who has ever played a mmo and is not a unique experience that only Eve brings. You just experienced it through Eve. First Point: Fair Point. Second Point: Not true at all. If you have ever been an Eve player before for at least a year, you will see that Eve Online didn't survive because it was a space MMO. EA's Earth & Beyond was around back when CCP's Eve came out. Almost everyone predicted Eve Online will crumble under the weight of EA's might. Several years later, EA announced the closure of the Earth & Beyond servers and ultimately the game itself. Keep in mind that at the time, CCP started off with its office being something like an apartment while EA had a whole headquarters. I'm still trying to wrap my head around what happened. But that's not why Eve survived. Eve survived because of it is the only game in which you can do otherwise-illegal **** and still get away with it because technically you "didn't break any rules". There is also the fact that Eve Online has introduced an MMO economic model that is so self-sustainable and successful that Guild Wars 2 borrowed part of its model in an attempt to emulate that success. Also, if you go to college and study economics or social science, you may have seen some students bring up Eve Online as part of their essays or topics. This is because many colleges and universities look at Eve Online as a social and economic experiment. Final Point: I guess you're right about that.
As to the second point: I hadn't heard of Earth and Beyond I'll have to look it up but if I had to guess EA was probably being ****. Because although I am ragging on CCP EA by far takes the shittiest business practices for a game company to have award and has been blowing competitors out of the water since the sims 1. So it won't suprise me if EA failed at that. Though I do agree the do whatever concept is a huge appeal they aren't the only game doing this and they weren't back then either. They aren't the only ones who have done this although they are for a space mmo. There's been a lot of MMO's out there and i'd say for one, Voyage Century was like that as well except it was a piracy naval game as opposed to space. I don't know what you mean by their economic model, but if its related to microtransactions started in the late 90s. If its subscription likewise, and hybrids likewise. If you could let me know what is special about Eves economic model though I'm all ears.
Also as to it being a topic of social science and economics, so is WoW and most MMOs. again it comes back to my third point, these things weren't unique to Eve, you just experienced them through Eve. Take it from someone that's been playing and has played many MMOs over the past 12 years.
I stayed away from Eve for the reasons Ive been lambasting it. Arbitrary bullshit like punishing me for them changing things around. I play Dust because it was free. I don't believe in the whole early access pre order **** and I never pay for a game unless I am happy with its development. This game was never a finished product in my eyes and likewise I wipe my brow that I stuck to my guns and didn't believe them. Its the same reason I stay away from kickstarter **** too. If they will make something good they need to do it up front, sadly too many companies and individuals including CCP take it for granted and cut and run after taking essentially cloud funding. It's not illegal but I don't think it should be supported. Just like its not illegal to scam people in Eve, still doesn't mean I'm going to walk into a scam. |
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Topher Mellen wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:
1.1. Now explain where you feel you needed to know when I said after uprising gallente has been fine?
Assuming you are probably going to be like YEAH ***** I WAS IN BETA! It still doesn't refute any of the facts I laid out or excuse any of your bullshit.
And as for mudslinging you said you had a bad kd/r not me. I only said you having a bad kd/r doesn't only mean you must be UP. It can also mean you're bad. I refute the notion that Gallente has been UP since uprising began. I explained thoroughly why while you tried to attack my age and make claims that I refuted like the AR being bad. Mudslinging is what you have been failing at. This whole gallente thing sprang from you claiming that you had been nerfed and you didn't mind. You hadn't been nerfed. Not like some of the other play styles like speed tanking and shield tanking. Brick tanking has been the most solid strategy across all of uprising.
Okay, so you were around for the release of the other rifles. Check this
They were bad in 1.7 I did mention that early on, but I believed that was irrelevant as everything infantry was overshadowed by tank supremacy then. They fixed it in 1.8. |
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Posted - 2014.08.06 21:38:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Topher Mellen wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:
1.1. Now explain where you feel you needed to know when I said after uprising gallente has been fine?
Assuming you are probably going to be like YEAH ***** I WAS IN BETA! It still doesn't refute any of the facts I laid out or excuse any of your bullshit.
And as for mudslinging you said you had a bad kd/r not me. I only said you having a bad kd/r doesn't only mean you must be UP. It can also mean you're bad. I refute the notion that Gallente has been UP since uprising began. I explained thoroughly why while you tried to attack my age and make claims that I refuted like the AR being bad. Mudslinging is what you have been failing at. This whole gallente thing sprang from you claiming that you had been nerfed and you didn't mind. You hadn't been nerfed. Not like some of the other play styles like speed tanking and shield tanking. Brick tanking has been the most solid strategy across all of uprising.
Okay, so you were around for the release of the other rifles. Check this They were bad in 1.7 I did mention that early on, but I believed that was irrelevant as everything infantry was overshadowed by tank supremacy then. They fixed it in 1.8. It's not like I got in a tank. I played infantry, it's what I like. <-- being civil now My point is that people picked up the Burst AR for a long range assault rifle and then the combat rifle came out. Shouldn't the guy in the Minmatar Assault Suit get the Combat Rifle he would have used if the game were finished?
That was intentionally done with every variant. The Burst AR isn't supposed to be as good as the combat rifle and the assault isn't supposed to be as good as the AR. Just like the TAC AR isn't supposed to be as good as the scrambler rifle and the assault scrambler isn't supposed to be as good as the standard AR. The Assault CR appears to be better at times then the AR because of the difference in damage profiles combined with the popularity of armor tanking over shield tanking. The AR is more optimal for shredding shields which in a meta game where shield tanking is unpopular makes the gun look UP. That's all I'm saying. And I don't disagree that the frontline suits should be race specific now if that's what you mean... I figured they weren't because Rattatai didn't want to or couldn't edit that without a client side update or something.
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
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Maken Tosch wrote: I have never heard of Voyage Century so I can't say anything about that.
You misunderstood me. Not that kind of model. I'm talking about full-blown player-run economy. CCP does have a PLEX system in place that allows Eve players to extend their subscriptions with ISK while allowing players to sell PLEX for ISK, but that's only part of what I'm talking about. The economic model I'm mainly referring to is the secondary market which also has an extremely complex and vast industry system where players harvest resources, use resources to manufacture goods, and then sell those goods to other players which eventually get destroyed in pvp confrontations. It has its own cycle. I don't know how it is in WoW because I never played the game, but Eve Online did get the award for best mmo economy of 2012 and that's just two years ago which is still somewhat recent when you look at Eve's age.
I have heard that WoW has its own auction house and craft system, but I'm also told that WoW separates the servers from each other so any wealth you have in one server won't translate well in other servers. Eve Online on the other hand has everything in one server and so any impact on one region economically will effect other regions both directly and indirectly. I know this about Eve because I'm an experienced marketeer and I have skills in industry.
Voyage Century is just a Naval MMO set in the 17th Century. It has the time old trading between ports thing to earn coin and what not along with all the dungeon delving and high seas combat shtick. It has a hybrid of land and sea battles along with interesting mechanics like boarding actions on enemy ships. It also has a Infamy/Fame system where basically pirates and soldiers and everyone in between can kill each other on the open seas. It also has the whole if you want a better ship you have to find someone that can make said materials thing going on and dungeon delving and what not along with classes. You can customize your ships with cannons and ballistae and what not. It's okay like I said.
As to the Economic thing, there are a lot of mmos that have it to where only the best gear is player crafted. I know Mabinogi is like that and it would take about 2 years of playing for about 10 hours a day 7 days a week to become a master blacksmith or master tailor etc. A lot of games have global markets as well. Eve is certainly famous for the fact that Stock brokers and likewise forbes have a boner for the market system but in todays age the Space mmo is more unique then anything else. This is why I say that the Space mmo aspect is what it has going for it. Because plenty of other games including some with mega servers have copied a lot of the same market and open pvp concepts. Hell even Runescape now and has for like 6 years now had a "Grand Exchange" that links all items and tracks their pricing trends while players can list their prices etc. and of course its had since 2001 the whole Wild thing where players can kill each other at will. |
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