As as has been mentioned its best to wait till more infomation about Delta is known.

I will say this however. There have numerous times in Eve where a ships slot layout, PG, CPU and even role has been changed, tweaked and balanced. Eve players didn't get a respec and they pay a subscription.

For me there are only two circumstances that respecs and partial respecs might be considered as possibly required. When an entire branch of the skill tree has had to be changed such as when the LLAV's had to be removed. Or when racial parity in a weapon or suit class is going to be achieved, for example if the other races sniper rifles should make an appearance.

Respecs shouldn't be the default posistion to take when presented with balance changes because it makes the choices you made in the skilling of your Merc meaningless.

If as a result of any upcoming changes I feel a respec is warranted, I'll of course support it but if I think it's going to lead to another FOTM situation that might lead to yet another scramble calls for respecs 6 months down the road, then I be more reluctant to do so.

Sidearms are currently up for review in Delta. Hopefully we will see militia versions of the newer sidearms in Delta too.

Maybe after Delta we can expect some form of SP refund.

Please don't put words in my mouth. My answer would be: You used that SP. It has been used. SP is a one-time use currency. Want more? Go earn more. Not complain about how you spent what you had before.

For me there are only two circumstances that respecs and partial respecs might be considered as possibly required. When an entire branch of the skill tree has had to be changed such as when the LLAV's had to be removed. Or when racial parity in a weapon or suit class is going to be achieved, for example if the other races sniper rifles should make an appearance.

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If as a result of any upcoming changes I feel a respec is warranted, I'll of course support it but if I think it's going to lead to another FOTM situation that might lead to yet another scramble calls for respecs 6 months down the road, then I be more reluctant to do so.

[quote=Soraya Xel]You know as CPM your job is to relay our opinions to CCP not to tell us what to do and what to complain about.

If anything I would propose paid respecs. Much rather do that than buy those boosters. Even thought now i have 80k aur I need to burn.

Actually, it is done with a script. I know some players are not interested in having their SP unallocated so for them I propose a voluntary respec option. If you want a respec then open a ticket with a specific subject line.



Paid respecs would be fine so long as we create a cooldown between respecs. Someone should not be allowed to respec every 60 - 90 days, but 180+ sounds more fair. Hell, even inact an "SP tax": you pay for a respec but suffer a 10% total SP loss.

Now that I just got my 4th assault proto you nerds think you should get a respec to change my assaults into fotm? Oh hail nah.

It's been over a year since we got a full respec. There should be an annual respec for those who want one IMO.

Nah I've been assault all this time even when it sucked.. What I'm saying is you guys will turn it into fotm just cuz it's getting a needed buff and their fotm is being nerfed..

I don't think respecs are going to be likely for the same reason protostomping will not happen.

Beta players are assholes. Not all, but most seem to be. They do not care that, of those that didn't flat out quit, many of the newer players without stupid amounts of SP get wrecked through months of investments by these sudden changes per patch that completely change your choices. It's never been about living with choices or FOTM, that's just the excuse. It's always been about feeling like since you have been around longer you should be able to punish new players with your handicap.

That is the major appeal of this game and is also the reason its had a **** poor player retention past beta. Most the new guys that say, "Well I did okay," dodged the nerfhammers by pure chance. You don't hear a lot from the new guys that got slapped with the nerfhammers because they quit playing along with the other couple hundred thousand to a million that picked this game up found out what it was about and dropped it.

Highlighted the response from your type that I already knew was coming, lol.

Uprising to 1.6- AR was good
Uprising 1.7- 0sp investment Tanks were king. Anything else about 1.7 was completely overshadowed by the fact that all you needed was Tank control to win.
Uprising 1.8- Shotgun is good

I define dodging the nerfhammer as always being viable. We haven't even addressed the fact that I'm guessing you are Gallente and haven't undergone the dropsuit rollercoaster that shield based minmitar and Caldari have gone through since uprising. AR and Scramblers had shield affinity. Armor got buffed and shields got nerfed. Gallente is still good even now and hotfix charlie will improve them while Caldari is getting nerfed again in the heavy class, because Caldari heavies were so OP......

Like I said read what I highlighted.

Congratulations on being rich. Too bad I don't care at all. Paid respecs are simply a way to squeeze money out of a free game. There shouldn't be any respecs what-so-ever save for when major changes to the game happen. (Despite what the new monetization director says)

Paid respecs would be fine so long as we create a cooldown between respecs. Someone should not be allowed to respec every 60 - 90 days, but 180+ sounds more fair. Hell, even inact an "SP tax": you pay for a respec but suffer a 10% total SP loss.

Good ideas m8. I would actually be alright with respecs implemented in this way. What I am afraid of with monetized respecs is that a few people (see isk farming/EVE timecodes/WoW gold farming) will respec every other day, while the rest of us are playing a game with consequences.

Ripley, regarding Kevall's comments, I don't believe racial parity has any bearing on need for respecs. Racial gear differences rarely matter much more than lore. And new stuff is added to online games all the time.

Equip shotgun to a militia gallente or any other racial light frame... profit...

You thinking you were nerfed and you being actually nerfed aren't the same. You having a bad kd/r also doesn't mean you were nerfed. That can also mean that you are bad.

If you are new to this game and you try to climb one suit to proto ASAP you got bad advice. The guys doshing out that advice were not fighting players with 50mil sp when they were starting. You won't be able to fund it and You are too new and too late to spec specifically into one type of suit anyways. You are just going to get railroaded every match by the proto stompers who are specced in everything and can simply counter you. You will probably get railroaded anyways but that's what this game is about now. You are better off getting basic gear to be flexible at this point and learning to hard counter and outsmart them.

Brick tanks giving you problems, even a MLT forge will sort that out, they can't move out of the way. Speed tanks giving you guff, invest a small amount of SP into heavy machine guns and spam a minmitar militia heavy with a machine gun.

P.S. I use all rifles and AR has its place, which is close up. The LR and RR aren't going to do **** if you are any good at aiming in CQC. The CR will win against your armor focused suit for sure but that's the draw back. I don't whine that I can't beat ScRs when they pretty much insta gib my shields. AR is still amazing at mowing down Caldari and Minmitar it's just more popular to armor tank since it's easier and therefor makes the AR seem inferior.

The people who are interested in FotM fittings have already banked SP prior to the update, I can almost guarantee it. That will happen if we are given a respec or not.

the reason you and other Gallente rpers think the AR is so bad is because armor tanking is more popular which AR is less efficient against.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Gallente has never been a bad choice since uprising, that was my point.

Don't complain about me questioning if you're a scrub if you talk about doing scrub things as being imbalanced.

You whined that a shotgun was bad on a gallente assault. You shouldn't be putting shotguns on any suit but a light frame.

What are you smoking? It has the least amount of kick of all the rifles aside from the Laser rifle... it has the lowest range as it was supposed to be the CQC rifle. It has the highest damage per shot of an automatic variant aside from the assault scrambler which is on par damage wise with a massive dispersion when hip fired to boot. It has lower RPM but it also has a larger magazine then the Combat Rifle and a different damage profile. The gun is fine as it is you just are trying to use it in roles it wasn't intended for if you think it's UP.

I'm done arguing though, you're just going to keep throwing bullshit out for me to refute and then backpedal and redirect as you keep doing.

Yeah I thought as much, ran out of bullshit.

1.1. Now explain where you feel you needed to know when I said after uprising gallente has been fine?

Assuming you are probably going to be like YEAH ***** I WAS IN BETA! It still doesn't refute any of the facts I laid out or excuse any of your bullshit.

And as for mudslinging you said you had a bad kd/r not me. I only said you having a bad kd/r doesn't only mean you must be UP. It can also mean you're bad. I refute the notion that Gallente has been UP since uprising began. I explained thoroughly why while you tried to attack my age and make claims that I refuted like the AR being bad. Mudslinging is what you have been failing at. This whole gallente thing sprang from you claiming that you had been nerfed and you didn't mind. You hadn't been nerfed. Not like some of the other play styles like speed tanking and shield tanking. Brick tanking has been the most solid strategy across all of uprising.

They were bad in 1.7 I did mention that early on, but I believed that was irrelevant as everything infantry was overshadowed by tank supremacy then. They fixed it in 1.8.

Dude I don't think you get it.....a game isn't dead until the last players sign off or the servers go down..... while Dust certainly isn't thriving or meeting its original goals in any way shape or form..... its certainly not dead...

I mean even Demon's Souls was active until this time last year, and even with low player counts it still had a cult player base of loyal fans.

I bet if Legion where to have an election majority of the voters would have been eve players who would rampage at the mere idea of respecs existing...

Do you mean a respec as in full refund of ALL skill points?
Or do you just mean partial refunds of certain parts of the skill tree?

Please don't confuse the two. A respec is NEVER partial, so asking for a respec is asking for ALL skill points to be refunded.

I think this is the bare minimum acceptable SP refund. Delta is slated to have some sidearm balancing. Hopefully the entire Weaponry tree will receive a refund.

Fair points.

And I don't believe we have reached racial parity with light weapons or sidearms. We still lack three racial melee weapons, the other sniper rifles, etc.

A CCP dev has said that? Do you have a link?

Not going to have to pay.

Here's the link: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2158808#post2158808

We will offer a Respec Option (which does not exist in DUST 514). More information will come down the line as the projectGÇÖs development progresses.