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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.08.06 16:13:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Why can't you save up some SP for your new spec as well then?
I do save up SP pre-patch. I have about half a million saved for Charlie actually.
Story time...
The first few weeks I played Dust 514 I ran starter fits, as new players should. What weapon was fitted to EVERY frontline starter fit until here recently? The assault rifle. What did I spend my SP on, not even aware that CCP would be releasing a Caldari racial rifle? The assault rifle. The Amarr scrambler rifle seemed interesting, but there was no militia version for me to experiment with.
Soraya Xel wrote:But Ripley! That SP will always be there in case you ever want to use the assault rifle again!
I won't. Seriously. I will not ever use the assault rifle again for the rest of my characters life. I find it bland and it does not appeal to me after using the rail rifle and laser rifle. CCP could delete the SP out of the assault rifle; it would not even register as a loss to me. Do we understand each other? I. will. never. use. an. assault. rifle. again. ever.
The question you should be asking me is, "What would you do with all of that SP you spent into assault rifles?"
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Topher Mellen
Scott-Mellen Corporation
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Posted - 2014.08.06 16:22:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Topher Mellen wrote:On that note I have to mention pistol parity. I invested well over 3 million SP in the Scrambler Pistol when it was the only pistol in early uprising. When do we get a sidearm tree repec? Sidearms are currently up for review in Delta. Hopefully we will see militia versions of the newer sidearms in Delta too. Maybe after Delta we can expect some form of SP refund.
Thanks for the info m8, I had no idea.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.08.06 16:54:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:But Ripley! That SP will always be there in case you ever want to use the assault rifle again! I won't. Seriously. I will not ever use the assault rifle again for the rest of my characters life. I find it bland and it does not appeal to me after using the rail rifle and laser rifle. CCP could delete the SP out of the assault rifle; it would not even register as a loss to me. Do we understand each other? I. will. never. use. an. assault. rifle. again. ever.The question you should be asking me is, "What would you do with all of that SP you spent into assault rifles?"
Please don't put words in my mouth. My answer would be: You used that SP. It has been used. SP is a one-time use currency. Want more? Go earn more. Not complain about how you spent what you had before.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Topher Mellen
Scott-Mellen Corporation
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Posted - 2014.08.06 17:00:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Please don't put words in my mouth. My answer would be: You used that SP. It has been used. SP is a one-time use currency. Want more? Go earn more. Not complain about how you spent what you had before.
My question would be, how do you, personally, feel about Kevall Longstride's comments on this thread yesterday?
Kevall Longstride wrote:For me there are only two circumstances that respecs and partial respecs might be considered as possibly required. When an entire branch of the skill tree has had to be changed such as when the LLAV's had to be removed. Or when racial parity in a weapon or suit class is going to be achieved, for example if the other races sniper rifles should make an appearance.
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If as a result of any upcoming changes I feel a respec is warranted, I'll of course support it but if I think it's going to lead to another FOTM situation that might lead to yet another scramble calls for respecs 6 months down the road, then I be more reluctant to do so.
I don't like respecs either, but the dropsuit respec with 1.8 was entirely necessary. Thank you in advance for your response.
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
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Posted - 2014.08.06 17:03:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:But Ripley! That SP will always be there in case you ever want to use the assault rifle again! I won't. Seriously. I will not ever use the assault rifle again for the rest of my characters life. I find it bland and it does not appeal to me after using the rail rifle and laser rifle. CCP could delete the SP out of the assault rifle; it would not even register as a loss to me. Do we understand each other? I. will. never. use. an. assault. rifle. again. ever.The question you should be asking me is, "What would you do with all of that SP you spent into assault rifles?" Please don't put words in my mouth. My answer would be: You used that SP. It has been used. SP is a one-time use currency. Want more? Go earn more. Not complain about how you spent what you had before. You know as CPM your job is to relay our opinions to CCP not to tell us what to do and what to complain about.
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Topher Mellen
Scott-Mellen Corporation
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Posted - 2014.08.06 17:07:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:[quote=Soraya Xel]You know as CPM your job is to relay our opinions to CCP not to tell us what to do and what to complain about.
I admit, Xel's comments did sound arrogant, condescending, and a little 'did-not-read-thread', but let Xel formally respond to what I asked before you pull out your flamethrower. |
danie braz
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.06 17:19:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Dear CPM1,
Hotfix Charlie is shaping up to make assaults not suck quite so badly, scouts are being tweaked, and word has it logi/sentinels are on the agenda for Delta. Dozens of minor and major changes are taking place all over Dust 514. ****, I mean, we are about to have nova knives capable of destroying HAV's for chrissakes. Don't you think it is about time we sent a message to CCP that we need a respec? You are our advocates. You have CCP's ear.
I'm asking politely and I'm open to hear your arguments against it... though I have heard many MANY arguments against it and none of them have convinced me yet.
Sincerely, Ripley
P.S. Judge Rhadamanthus, please sign my titty.
Because they do respecs one player at a time and even if had the full team it would take far too many man hours.
If they do it now the sidearm and vehicle ppl will ask for respecs when those are revised.
If anything I would propose paid respecs. Much rather do that than buy those boosters. Even thought now i have 80k aur I need to burn.
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Topher Mellen
Scott-Mellen Corporation
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Posted - 2014.08.06 17:32:00 -
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danie braz wrote:If anything I would propose paid respecs. Much rather do that than buy those boosters. Even thought now i have 80k aur I need to burn.
Congratulations on being rich. Too bad I don't care at all. Paid respecs are simply a way to squeeze money out of a free game. There shouldn't be any respecs what-so-ever save for when major changes to the game happen. (Despite what the new monetization director says) |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2014.08.06 17:34:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Please don't put words in my mouth. My answer would be: You used that SP. It has been used. SP is a one-time use currency. Want more? Go earn more. Not complain about how you spent what you had before.
I used it without CCP providing me an adequate NPE. I used it based on CCP's poor decision to fit assault rifles to every frontline starter fit. I used it without knowing the remaining racial weapons were being released in the next few months.
Would you have preferred that I only spend SP on Dropsuit Upgrades until I was certain CCP added every weapon and a militia version?
We are getting off topic here... CCP's inability to educate new players is worthy of its own thread.
In Charlie and Delta we are going to see most every dropsuit have it's PG/CPU tweaked in some way. Many are having slot layouts changed. Some will be losing equipment slots, some will be gaining. Some dropsuit skill bonuses are being balanced. The sidearm balancing is also slated for Delta.
I'm saying all this to point out that the way players will be using dropsuits is going to be changing. Couple that, with the changes we have seen in Alpha and Bravo and most players are requesting a respec.
danie braz wrote:Because they do respecs one player at a time and even if had the full team it would take far too many man hours.
Actually, it is done with a script. I know some players are not interested in having their SP unallocated so for them I propose a voluntary respec option. If you want a respec then open a ticket with a specific subject line.
danie braz wrote:If anything I would propose paid respecs. Much rather do that than buy those boosters. Even thought now i have 80k aur I need to burn.
Paid respecs would be fine so long as we create a cooldown between respecs. Someone should not be allowed to respec every 60 - 90 days, but 180+ sounds more fair. Hell, even inact an "SP tax": you pay for a respec but suffer a 10% total SP loss.
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.06 17:45:00 -
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Now that I just got my 4th assault proto you nerds think you should get a respec to change my assaults into fotm? Oh hail nah.
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Topher Mellen
Scott-Mellen Corporation
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Posted - 2014.08.06 17:46:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:danie braz wrote:Because they do respecs one player at a time and even if had the full team it would take far too many man hours. Actually, it is done with a script. I know some players are not interested in having their SP unallocated so for them I propose a voluntary respec option. If you want a respec then open a ticket with a specific subject line. danie braz wrote:If anything I would propose paid respecs. Much rather do that than buy those boosters. Even thought now i have 80k aur I need to burn. Paid respecs would be fine so long as we create a cooldown between respecs. Someone should not be allowed to respec every 60 - 90 days, but 180+ sounds more fair. Hell, even inact an "SP tax": you pay for a respec but suffer a 10% total SP loss.
Good ideas m8. I would actually be alright with respecs implemented in this way. What I am afraid of with monetized respecs is that a few people (see isk farming/EVE timecodes/WoW gold farming) will respec every other day, while the rest of us are playing a game with consequences. |
Heimdallr69
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.06 17:48:00 -
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Vapor Forseti wrote:Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote:Seriously ? Y'all want respecs after every Hotfix. It's been over a year since we got a full respec. There should be an annual respec for those who want one IMO. How dare you I don't want my assaults to be fotm
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Topher Mellen
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Posted - 2014.08.06 17:48:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Now that I just got my 4th assault proto you nerds think you should get a respec to change my assaults into fotm? Oh hail nah. You're free to spec into fit of the month. You have my blessing.
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Topher Mellen
Scott-Mellen Corporation
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Posted - 2014.08.06 17:49:00 -
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Vapor Forseti wrote:It's been over a year since we got a full respec. There should be an annual respec for those who want one IMO. That is a seriously terrible idea dude.
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.06 17:50:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Now that I just got my 4th assault proto you nerds think you should get a respec to change my assaults into fotm? Oh hail nah. You're free to spec into fit of the month. You have my blessing. Just remember respecs don't come every month. Nah I've been assault all this time even when it sucked.. What I'm saying is you guys will turn it into fotm just cuz it's getting a needed buff and their fotm is being nerfed..
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Heimdallr69
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Posted - 2014.08.06 17:52:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:[quote=Vapor Forseti]It's been over a year since we got a full respec. There should be an annual respec for those who want one IMO. That is a seriously terrible idea dude. Actually Vapor is a girl but I'll take credit for her idea
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.08.06 17:55:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:I just got my 4th assault proto.
Gotdayum ... congrats
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Topher Mellen
Scott-Mellen Corporation
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Posted - 2014.08.06 17:56:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Topher Mellen wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Now that I just got my 4th assault proto you nerds think you should get a respec to change my assaults into fotm? Oh hail nah. You're free to spec into fit of the month. You have my blessing. Just remember respecs don't come every month. Nah I've been assault all this time even when it sucked.. What I'm saying is you guys will turn it into fotm just cuz it's getting a needed buff and their fotm is being nerfed..
Woah, woah, woah dude. I've only ever played the Gallente Assault. I literally have no other skill points in any other dropsuit. I'm right there with you with the underpowered/anti-fotm business. I completely disagree with the idea of giving a respec to the dropsuit command tree. The dropsuits are finished. Pick which one you like. What I am arguing here is simply for a respec for the sidearm tree. Literally nothing else. |
Heimdallr69
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.06 17:58:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:I just got my 4th assault proto. Gotdayum ... congrats I know.. They all suck, but amarr is fun to dink around with.. Stay away from minmatar it's terrible. I don't mean lore wise I mean the fitting is yeah it's something..
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
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Posted - 2014.08.06 18:00:00 -
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I don't think respecs are going to be likely for the same reason protostomping will not stop.
Beta players are assholes. Not all, but most seem to be. They do not care that, of those that didn't flat out quit, many of the newer players without stupid amounts of SP get wrecked through months of investments by these sudden changes per patch that completely change your choices. It's never been about living with choices or FOTM, that's just the excuse. It's always been about feeling good by seniority, because since you have been around longer you should be able to punish new players with your handicap. Or at least, that's the logic. It's like that one kid who would gloat every time he won in a video game, card game, board game that he knew more about and whine like a little ***** when the playing field became more level.
That is the major appeal of this game and is also the reason its had a **** poor player retention past beta. Most the new guys that say, "Well I did okay," dodged the nerfhammers by pure chance. You don't hear a lot from the new guys that got slapped with the nerfhammers because they quit playing along with the other couple hundred thousand to a million that picked this game up, found out what it was about, and dropped it. |
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.06 18:01:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Topher Mellen wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Now that I just got my 4th assault proto you nerds think you should get a respec to change my assaults into fotm? Oh hail nah. You're free to spec into fit of the month. You have my blessing. Just remember respecs don't come every month. Nah I've been assault all this time even when it sucked.. What I'm saying is you guys will turn it into fotm just cuz it's getting a needed buff and their fotm is being nerfed.. Woah, woah, woah dude. I've only ever played the Gallente Assault. I literally have no other skill points in any other dropsuit. I'm right there with you with the underpowered/anti-fotm business. I completely disagree with the idea of giving a respec to the dropsuit command tree. The dropsuits are finished. Pick which one you like. What I am arguing here is simply for a respec for the sidearm tree. Literally nothing else. What about primary too? I have all rifles pro 5 and it's safe to say I have some I don't use haha.. But yeah I'm fine with just secondary or all weapons is fine but dropsuits is where I draw the line.
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.08.06 18:02:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:I know.. They all suck, but amarr is fun to dink around with.. Stay away from minmatar it's terrible. I don't mean lore wise I mean the fitting is yeah it's something..
Noted. What's terrible about it exactly? The assault bonus for them looks appropriate for their weapon list.
I've been rolling Caldari assault since launch day and I have enjoyed it a lot. I think our reload speed bonus is subpar, but it's a shitton better than Gallente assault (which I hear is bugged and/or next to useless with their weapon list).
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Topher Mellen
Scott-Mellen Corporation
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Posted - 2014.08.06 18:03:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:I don't think respecs are going to be likely for the same reason protostomping will not happen.
Beta players are assholes. Not all, but most seem to be. They do not care that, of those that didn't flat out quit, many of the newer players without stupid amounts of SP get wrecked through months of investments by these sudden changes per patch that completely change your choices. It's never been about living with choices or FOTM, that's just the excuse. It's always been about feeling like since you have been around longer you should be able to punish new players with your handicap.
That is the major appeal of this game and is also the reason its had a **** poor player retention past beta. Most the new guys that say, "Well I did okay," dodged the nerfhammers by pure chance. You don't hear a lot from the new guys that got slapped with the nerfhammers because they quit playing along with the other couple hundred thousand to a million that picked this game up found out what it was about and dropped it. I have all of my points for my light weapon invested in the Assault Rifle, Plasma Cannon, and the Shotgun. I don't complain one bit. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2014.08.06 18:03:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Beta players are assholes. Not all, but most seem to be. They do not care that, of those that didn't flat out quit, many of the newer players without stupid amounts of SP get wrecked through months of investments by these sudden changes per patch that completely change your choices. It's never been about living with choices or FOTM, that's just the excuse. It's always been about feeling like since you have been around longer you should be able to punish new players with your handicap.
I wish I had the characters to make this my sig... truer words have never been on this forum than the above.
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
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Posted - 2014.08.06 18:07:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:I don't think respecs are going to be likely for the same reason protostomping will not happen.
Beta players are assholes. Not all, but most seem to be. They do not care that, of those that didn't flat out quit, many of the newer players without stupid amounts of SP get wrecked through months of investments by these sudden changes per patch that completely change your choices. It's never been about living with choices or FOTM, that's just the excuse. It's always been about feeling like since you have been around longer you should be able to punish new players with your handicap.
That is the major appeal of this game and is also the reason its had a **** poor player retention past beta. Most the new guys that say, "Well I did okay," dodged the nerfhammers by pure chance. You don't hear a lot from the new guys that got slapped with the nerfhammers because they quit playing along with the other couple hundred thousand to a million that picked this game up found out what it was about and dropped it. I have all of my points for my light weapon invested in the Assault Rifle, Plasma Cannon, and the Shotgun. I don't complain one bit.
Highlighted the response from your type that I already knew was coming, lol. |
Topher Mellen
Scott-Mellen Corporation
90
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Posted - 2014.08.06 18:08:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Topher Mellen wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:I don't think respecs are going to be likely for the same reason protostomping will not happen.
Beta players are assholes. Not all, but most seem to be. They do not care that, of those that didn't flat out quit, many of the newer players without stupid amounts of SP get wrecked through months of investments by these sudden changes per patch that completely change your choices. It's never been about living with choices or FOTM, that's just the excuse. It's always been about feeling like since you have been around longer you should be able to punish new players with your handicap.
That is the major appeal of this game and is also the reason its had a **** poor player retention past beta. Most the new guys that say, "Well I did okay," dodged the nerfhammers by pure chance. You don't hear a lot from the new guys that got slapped with the nerfhammers because they quit playing along with the other couple hundred thousand to a million that picked this game up found out what it was about and dropped it. I have all of my points for my light weapon invested in the Assault Rifle, Plasma Cannon, and the Shotgun. I don't complain one bit. Highlighted the response from your type that I already knew was coming, lol. You call my primary weapon being the Assault Rifle dodging the nerf hammer? When did you start playing exactly? |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
3008
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Posted - 2014.08.06 18:15:00 -
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Ripley, regarding Kevall's comments, I don't believe racial parity has any bearing on need for respecs. Racial gear differences rarely matter much more than lore. And new stuff is added to online games all the time.
Thumb Green wrote:You know as CPM your job is to relay our opinions to CCP not to tell us what to do and what to complain about.
Indeed. Doesn't mean I'm not allowed to have and express opinions of my own.
By participating in this thread, personally, I'm both fostering a continued discussion and monitoring opinion and feedback. If I didn't care about people's opinions, I'd have ignored the thread and let it die like thousands of other respec threads before it.
Topher Mellen wrote:Congratulations on being rich. Too bad I don't care at all. Paid respecs are simply a way to squeeze money out of a free game. There shouldn't be any respecs what-so-ever save for when major changes to the game happen. (Despite what the new monetization director says)
Free games need to get paid for. Generally by selling stuff completely unnecessary. Like respecs. It's not a bad idea.
Ripley Riley wrote:Actually, it is done with a script. I know some players are not interested in having their SP unallocated so for them I propose a voluntary respec option. If you want a respec then open a ticket with a specific subject line.
You vastly overestimate the ease of this process. Also, note the various screwups of such scripts in the past, especially revolving around SP events. It's quite the hassle, and prone to errors.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
312
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Posted - 2014.08.06 18:18:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Topher Mellen wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:I don't think respecs are going to be likely for the same reason protostomping will not happen.
Beta players are assholes. Not all, but most seem to be. They do not care that, of those that didn't flat out quit, many of the newer players without stupid amounts of SP get wrecked through months of investments by these sudden changes per patch that completely change your choices. It's never been about living with choices or FOTM, that's just the excuse. It's always been about feeling like since you have been around longer you should be able to punish new players with your handicap.
That is the major appeal of this game and is also the reason its had a **** poor player retention past beta. Most the new guys that say, "Well I did okay," dodged the nerfhammers by pure chance. You don't hear a lot from the new guys that got slapped with the nerfhammers because they quit playing along with the other couple hundred thousand to a million that picked this game up found out what it was about and dropped it. I have all of my points for my light weapon invested in the Assault Rifle, Plasma Cannon, and the Shotgun. I don't complain one bit. Highlighted the response from your type that I already knew was coming, lol. You call my primary weapon being the Assault Rifle dodging the nerf hammer? When did you start playing exactly?
Uprising to 1.6- AR was good Uprising 1.7- 0sp investment Tanks were king Uprising 1.8- Shotgun is good
I define dodging the nerfhammer as always being viable. We aren't even going to address the fact that I'm guessing you are Gallente and haven't undergone the dropsuit rollercoaster that shield based minmitar and Caldari have gone through since uprising. AR and Scramblers had shield affinity. Armor got buffed and shields got nerfed. Gallente is still good even now and hotfix charlie will improve them while Caldari is getting nerfed again in the heavy class, because Caldari heavies were so OP......
Like I said read what I highlighted. |
Topher Mellen
Scott-Mellen Corporation
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Posted - 2014.08.06 18:23:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Uprising to 1.6- AR was good Uprising 1.7- 0sp investment Tanks were king. Anything else about 1.7 was completely overshadowed by the fact that all you needed was Tank control to win. Uprising 1.8- Shotgun is good
I define dodging the nerfhammer as always being viable. We haven't even addressed the fact that I'm guessing you are Gallente and haven't undergone the dropsuit rollercoaster that shield based minmitar and Caldari have gone through since uprising. AR and Scramblers had shield affinity. Armor got buffed and shields got nerfed. Gallente is still good even now and hotfix charlie will improve them while Caldari is getting nerfed again in the heavy class, because Caldari heavies were so OP......
Like I said read what I highlighted. A shotgun on a Gallente Assault is not dodging the nerf hammer... I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I'll tell you one thing though. Just by looking at my kdr I can tell you that even though I've been playing since early Uprising, I'm not making any victims of the newer players. |
Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
1213
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Posted - 2014.08.06 18:30:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Thumb Green wrote:You know as CPM your job is to relay our opinions to CCP not to tell us what to do and what to complain about. Indeed. Doesn't mean I'm not allowed to have and express opinions of my own. You are correct it doesn't; what it does mean is you do it without the CPM tag. Because what you say with the CPM tag is supposed to reflect what we say, not what your opinion is. So use an alt if you want to express your opinion.
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