Ah, so that's how they work. I see now. Well, As I've stated already, I don't really like the concept of legion being a lobby shooter, as it causes a lot of things to be limited (logistics of gear is basically eliminated). If you want to give structure to some playing, I say make arenas for them to play in.

But say that you completely ignore all of the above and make it a pure lobby shooter (again), at least allow us to while the battle is going salvage the stuff, or after the match is done you get X amount of time to salvage stuff (or both).

@ Severus Smith

I think you misunderstand, weGÇÖre not thinking of it as a handheld piece of equipment but as a deployable one. Once deployed it would start to harvest the loot (storing it using a quantum hammer space engine). After that you probably want to keep an eye on it in case another player (or a drone comes and takes it away). It is possible to pick it up and carry it whilst using your weapon so it doesnGÇÖt get in the way of shooting. What it does do is provide you with a pretty strong motivation not to die and lose everything you just salvaged from that high quality site you just found on your way to bank it.

IGÇÖm not really a fan of getting salvage and instantly banking it. I think there is a lot of gameplay to be had in the space between gaining possession of salvage and actually getting permanent ownership of it. I believe this to be key.

One of the reasons weGÇÖre looking at smaller harvesters rather than giant robot harvesters is because it allows you to salvage in more interesting and varied locations i.e. a giant robot canGÇÖt get inside an interior space. I think it would be a shame not to be able to salvage in outpost interiors for example. Not to say giant robots arenGÇÖt cool, perhaps we could introduce deployable mining robots for a total different type of gameplay over time.

Also you donGÇÖt have to salvage if you donGÇÖt want to. You could roam around killing others and taking their salvage. You could be fighting domination battles, earning ISK and purchasing gear from people who have been salvaging. ThereGÇÖs more than one way to play.

Thanks for the clarification and I apologize for the misunderstanding.

Though, I have another small question. If the "deployable" salvager takes up an Equipment slot then what does that mean for suits with limited, or no, equipment slots? It could easily mean "if you want to salvage get a suit that's built for salvage" but I want to make sure.

A final idea of mine. Rather than a deployable piece of equipment, could you instead call in a small salvage drone via the vehicle commands? It follows you, and can fit into small places like interiors, and uses its amazing quantum hammer space engine to compress materials into a small compartment for rapid recovery. Something small like this (Amarr, Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar). Roughly the size of a large dog, with a salvage laser and a small auto-turret. Have them cost as much as a LAV, so you want to defend them but won't be crushed if it is destroyed. Getting them picked up is similar to how you recall a vehicle, or you have to take them to a recovery station.

Again, probably not going to happen. But I figured I'd ask since I like drones, and it would be cool to see a squad of players deploying some of these to boost their salvaging rate. And it would also explain why the rouge-drones would not like these guys - they're drones who aren't free.

Dude, processing power.

Drones consume CPU, CPU is available on a limited ammount.

One drone for a player is one less drone for the PVE.

Drone - Pet - Companion, whatever we call it, they consume resources that demand a lot in terms of processing, energy and bandwith. EVE changed a lot of drone performance lately because it impacted like crazy on TiDi, they don-¦t want the same to happen here.

Dude, processing power.

Drones consume CPU, CPU is available on a limited ammount.

One drone for a player is one less drone for the PVE.

Drone - Pet - Companion, whatever we call it, they consume resources that demand a lot in terms of processing, energy and bandwith. EVE changed a lot of drone performance lately because it impacted like crazy on TiDi, they don-¦t want the same to happen here.

Dude, processing power.

Drones consume CPU, CPU is available on a limited ammount.

One drone for a player is one less drone for the PVE.

Drone - Pet - Companion, whatever we call it, they consume resources that demand a lot in terms of processing, energy and bandwith. EVE changed a lot of drone performance lately because it impacted like crazy on TiDi, they don-¦t want the same to happen here.

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How did you get "Lobby shooter" into this Godin?
In my opinion this is as far away as it can be from a lobby shooter.

Unless you think it is "our" battles Wolfman is referring to. I.e a battle HAVE to take place before the field is populated.
I think he already stated that this is not the case, and this is seeded salvage from "imaginary" battles.

Edit: Found the link
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2185723#post2185723

So it's stuff that appeared out of nowhere that nobody actually killed? That's pretty lame.

Also, last time I checked, those scavenger drones immediately comes onto the battlefield to reclaim that stuff, so why would it still be there?

A bunch of the EVE industry stuff started off as server seeded and was slowly switched to player interaction. I expect this to be possible here aswell.

That was lame as well. That's why I didn't play it before.

But you know it had to start off like that. In every economy, whether it's in a video game or in real-life, there needs to be an artificial means to get it going. But that's just the easy part. The hard part is maintaining balance.

@ Severus Smith

At the moment the harvester doesnGÇÖt take up a slot. We didnGÇÖt want to place an extra step (fitting) between the player and salvaging. The current idea is that you will be able to fit modules to your dropsuit that will augment the harvester.

Player controlled drones as a concept are really cool. I like the idea of putting a drone in the drone equivalent of a bleed out state and then hacking it to my GÇ£teamGÇ¥. But, before we think about that we need to get the base gameplay fun, see what kind of player/drone counts that takes and what the performance impact is. We then also have to factor in player count Vs server costs. There are all sorts of different factors in the balance.

Would like to do something with them if possible.

I got a question for you.

Assuming Legion gets the green light from Hilmar, are we going test the salvage system in the Singularity Test Server?

We'll certainly be testing it, I'll leave the decision as to where up to the tech gods

Q: During these matches, will there be a chat service that allows all players on the map to talk to each other? I would hate to be typing a message to determine friend or foe when the shooting starts.

I like the idea that I could hire NPCs to fight with me on these salvage missions since I like to lonewolf it most of the time. They won't be cheap for the better geared ones. Ex: I hire a Caldari Smuggler named "Han" and his pal "Chewy", a oversized Brutor, to be my bodyguards while I roam the field for loot. Chewy's packin a forge gun and Han is on over watch in his run down dropship. I'm hacking a site when drones show up and Chewy lets that forge gun rip taking down the bigger drones while Han rains down missiles on the rest. Things get hairy as a squad of clones comes in from the north hammering Hans ship. He bails after taking heavy damage and Chewy follows him out leaving you to fend for yourself.

NPCs won't be for hire in low sec due to the high stakes and the fact that they're not immortal like you. So you have to take that risk of trusting someone to cover your back.

At a minimum there will be text chat but we are considering some further indication of player intention.

There were some interesting thoughts earlier about seeing players with FF on as reds and FF off as blues. More ideas on this would be good to hear.

At a minimum there will be text chat but we are considering some further indication of player intention. There were some interesting thoughts earlier about seeing players with FF on as reds and FF off as blues. More ideas on this would be good to hear.

[quote=Lilith Serenity]
At a minimum there will be text chat but we are considering some further indication of player intention. There were some interesting thoughts earlier about seeing players with FF on as reds and FF off as blues. More ideas on this would be good to hear.

There-¦s a very interesting game that i like the system of alerts.

At a minimum there will be text chat but we are considering some further indication of player intention. There were some interesting thoughts earlier about seeing players with FF on as reds and FF off as blues. More ideas on this would be good to hear.

FF?

At a minimum there will be text chat but we are considering some further indication of player intention. There were some interesting thoughts earlier about seeing players with FF on as reds and FF off as blues. More ideas on this would be good to hear.

Or you could just borrow from Eve Online's Safety system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXwBrlEGshM#t=84

How I would apply this to Dust would be like this. Keep in mind that the Safety doesn't care what the security status is of the star system you're in. If you set the safety to any of the colors below and click "CONFIRM" then you know what you're getting into and thus you made your bed.

SAFETY GREEN:
Utilizing the TACNET scanner built into the front of the gun, which is what enables you to read a target's health and weapon efficiency, if the target you are about to shoot happens to be a neutral, ally, or corp mate, your gun will jam only as long as that target is standing in the way. The same applies to vehicles and installations.

Criminals are exempt from this protection and thus your gun will allow you to shoot them to death until their timer runs out.
If aimed at a suspect while GREEN, the gun will fire until target's shield is depleted. After that, the gun will jam once it senses that the shields are down.

SAFETY RED:
Gun doesn't jam at all regardless of who you shoot. Suspect timer will be 1 minute long and you only get suspect timer after reaching a certain damage threshold. Criminal timer is 5 minutes long if you continue and reach an even higher threshold.

Or you could just borrow from Eve Online's Safety system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXwBrlEGshM#t=84

How I would apply this to Dust would be like this. Keep in mind that the Safety doesn't care what the security status is of the star system you're in. If you set the safety to any of the colors below and click "CONFIRM" then you know what you're getting into and thus you made your bed.

SAFETY GREEN:
Utilizing the TACNET scanner built into the front of the gun, which is what enables you to read a target's health and weapon efficiency, if the target you are about to shoot happens to be a neutral, ally, or corp mate, your gun will jam only as long as that target is standing in the way. The same applies to vehicles and installations.

Criminals are exempt from this protection and thus your gun will allow you to shoot them to death until their timer runs out.
If aimed at a suspect while GREEN, the gun will fire until target's shield is depleted. After that, the gun will jam once it senses that the shields are down.

SAFETY RED:
Gun doesn't jam at all regardless of who you shoot. Suspect timer will be 1 minute long and you only get suspect timer after reaching a certain damage threshold. Criminal timer is 5 minutes long if you continue and reach an even higher threshold.